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Doc Extropy
Gallente
Cruentus Invicta
The Covenant Alliance
Posted - 2008.05.03 10:08:00 - [1]
 

Got nice standings with Federation Navy and now I want to reap benefits.

What would I need to use research agents, how much money can I make per week from one of them?

How many research agents can I use at the same time?

Thanks! :)

Karn Defil
Posted - 2008.05.03 10:25:00 - [2]
 

The skill to use multiple agents is Research Project Management.

Braaage
Ministry of Craft
Posted - 2008.05.03 10:26:00 - [3]
 

Originally by: Doc Extropy
Got nice standings with Federation Navy and now I want to reap benefits.

What would I need to use research agents, how much money can I make per week from one of them?

How many research agents can I use at the same time?

Thanks! :)


Find an agent that will accept you and you can have a maximum of 6 research agents per character. You get 1 without Research Project Management skill and then an extra 1 for each level you train the skill up to.

As for how much etc etc that depends on how much market research you do.

Clansworth
Good Rock Materials
Posted - 2008.05.03 15:41:00 - [4]
 

For starters, Federation Navy has no research agents. The science corps do the research. Credron, Roden Shipyards, and Duvolle Labs are the gallente researchers. Still, your high faction standings should help you get the higher R&D agents quickly enough.

Venkul Mul
Gallente
Posted - 2008.05.03 16:14:00 - [5]
 

Note that for research agents you need the standing with the actual corp, not with the empire.

Bartom Dekkar
Nebula Rasa Holdings
Nebula Rasa
Posted - 2008.05.03 16:49:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Venkul Mul
Note that for research agents you need the standing with the actual corp, not with the empire.


Actually, high faction standing helps, as the higher of the two standings requirements for an R&D agent can be satisfied by faction standings.

For example, Sitaleere Beene, the highest level R&D Agent for Duvolle Laboratories requires:

Quote:

You need a minimum effective corp standing of at least 4.80, in addition to an effective faction, corp or personal standing of at least 6.80 to use this agent



So if you already have 6.8 faction standings you only have to get 4.8 corp standings. Of course, if you don't already have 6.8 faction standings it is probably easier to get your corp standings up rather than your faction.

AikoAiko
Banzai Institute of Technology
Posted - 2008.05.04 16:52:00 - [7]
 

# RPM is (as someone else mentioned), the skill that lets you use more than one R&D agent. I don't know about training it up to V, but IV isn't bad at all.

# Check which datacores are selling best at your local hub (highest price, while still decent daily volume).

# Check eve-agents.com , and determine which of your faction's research corporation has the best agents for that field.
[Faction:$YOUR_FACTION][Division:R&D][Research skill:the field you've determined is best][RP/day][Descending]
For example, if you're Minmatar, and High Energy Physics is what you want, you'll see that Boundless Creation is the way to go.
If no research corp in your faction has 5-6 good agents in that field, go back and look at the second (third, fourth) best datacore sales.

# Start training that datacore's skill up to IV (or V). For example, if High Energy Physics datacores are hot, train that up.

# The RP/day you'll earn from an agent is based on that Agent's skill level in the field, your skill level in the field, and the Effective Quality [EQ] of the agent for you (which is in turn based on your standing with the corp (which is improved by Connections skill) and your Negotiation skill). Long-term, it's probably worth working up Negotiation and Connections to III or IV (also helps in mission-running).

** If you increase your field skill (High Energy Physics, for this example) or the agent's EQ (by raising your Negotiations and/or standing with the research corp even 0.4), you must re-visit your agent for the increase in RP/day to take effect. **

An easy enough strategy is to grind up into L3 missions, engage your five R&D agents. As you grind up more, go back to your worst agent, get any datacores you can, and fire them (then go hire the best agent with your new high standing).

When you visit an agent if you haven't done a mission for them in the past 24 hours, they'll offer you one. They're usually "get me XXXXX" missions and they double your RP for that day. I don't bother with them personally but that's because my agents aren't near my normal operational areas.

I go about every 10 days to pick up datacores. With RPM IV, field skill IV, Negotiations III, and a corp standing of 6.80, I end up with about 75 cores every 10 days. If you picked your field well that's 35-40M ISK easy. The flying around to collect takes time, but it's really not bad. Remember that the cores do take up space (1 m3 each), so don't take a shuttle.

If I ground up my corp standing to 8.8 or so, I think I'd get 10-20% more RPs, but I got sick of missions for them. =^)

Oh, and there's a "field modifier" for some skills (like starship engineering). You earn RPs two or three times as fast, but the datacores cost two or three times as many RPs, so it all evens out (the field modifier is a mechanics holdover from the T2 BPO lotto days).

Reverend Book
Posted - 2008.05.04 21:21:00 - [8]
 

All the advice above is good. I have another question however. I am thinking of suspending my account for a period of time. I know my long train skill I set will continue to train, but what about other things? do my buy/sell orders stay, does my research on BPs continue, and most importantly, do my research agents continue to generate research points? Passive isk is good, would be nice to come back to a windfall :D

Raskor
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2008.05.05 02:19:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: AikoAiko
If I ground up my corp standing to 8.8 or so, I think I'd get 10-20% more RPs, but I got sick of missions for them.


I don't believe corp standing has much if any impact. I have two characters collecting mech cores from Sitaleere Beene. They both have identical skill levels and both get the same daily take - 115.83 RP per day.

One has 7.6 standing (7.0 before skills) and the other has 7.21 (6.52 before skills). If corp standing mattered, I would expect to get some effect, even if only less than 1 RP per day better.

Pizi
Gallente
Posted - 2008.05.05 06:12:00 - [10]
 

tho only thing that affect the points is argent effective quallity

formel

Venkul Mul
Gallente
Posted - 2008.05.05 06:19:00 - [11]
 

Even if you suspend your subscription RP will still accrue.

Corp standin per se has no effect (beside allowing better agents) what count is the agent effective quality and that is modified by the connection (+1 at level 3 and another +1 at level 5) and negotiation skills (+5 every level).

Shadowsword
The Rough Riders
Ares Protectiva
Posted - 2008.05.05 08:13:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Reverend Book
All the advice above is good. I have another question however. I am thinking of suspending my account for a period of time. I know my long train skill I set will continue to train, but what about other things? do my buy/sell orders stay, does my research on BPs continue, and most importantly, do my research agents continue to generate research points? Passive isk is good, would be nice to come back to a windfall :D


Don't expect too much. There's so many players having lv4 R&D agents now that datacores prices are constantly falling. The most profitable field right now might be one of the worst in 6 months.

Caleese
New Eden Research And Design School
Posted - 2008.05.05 11:52:00 - [13]
 

God I wish this was one of those questions nobody ever answered.
I preferred it much more when I was getting 3-4 times the isk I am now from my datacores. Crying or Very sad

Pasocon Otaku
Posted - 2008.05.06 17:20:00 - [14]
 

I'm going to have to respectfully disagree with the people claiming standing does not affect EQ.

Over the course of grinding up my standing from 7.8 to 9.8 with one particular corp, the exact same agent's EQ has gone from 27 to 33. And no, I haven't trained any Social skills during this time.

While +6 EQ won't mean a big difference in RP/day, it means something (6%, ideally).

RP/day = FM * ( (1 + EQ) / 100 ) * ( Sa + Sc )^2
where:
FM = Field Multiplier (1, 2, or 3)
EQ = Effective Quality of your Research agent
Sa = Agent's Skill level (1-5) in the field you're researching
Sc = Character's Skill level (1-5) in the field you're researching

And remember, you have to re-visit an agent if you do anything to improve your RP/day, for the change to take effect.

Venkul Mul
Gallente
Posted - 2008.05.06 17:35:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Pasocon Otaku
I'm going to have to respectfully disagree with the people claiming standing does not affect EQ.

Over the course of grinding up my standing from 7.8 to 9.8 with one particular corp, the exact same agent's EQ has gone from 27 to 33. And no, I haven't trained any Social skills during this time.

While +6 EQ won't mean a big difference in RP/day, it means something (6%, ideally).

RP/day = FM * ( (1 + EQ) / 100 ) * ( Sa + Sc )^2
where:
FM = Field Multiplier (1, 2, or 3)
EQ = Effective Quality of your Research agent
Sa = Agent's Skill level (1-5) in the field you're researching
Sc = Character's Skill level (1-5) in the field you're researching

And remember, you have to re-visit an agent if you do anything to improve your RP/day, for the change to take effect.


Regular missions done for a non R&D agent give an improvement to your standing with the agent and so improve the agent quality. Missions done for a R&D agent don't improve your standing with the agent and so don't improve agent quality.

Improving your standing with a corporation don't improve your agent quality.

Visiting the agent don't improve the agent RP/days if you have increased the agent quality (or if you have improved your skills), the RP produced are increased immediately. But the display in your research tab instead is updated only when you visit the agent. So if you don't visit your agent after increasing RP production you still get the right number of RP/day but the display say you get a lesser number. It is a display bug, nothing more.


Pasocon Otaku
Posted - 2008.05.07 05:19:00 - [16]
 

Edited by: Pasocon Otaku on 07/05/2008 22:23:41
Originally by: Venkul Mul
Improving your standing with a corporation don't improve your agent quality.

With non-research agents, it most certainly does.

The question is, does R&D agent EQ rise with corp standing (from running non-Research missions) like non-R&D agent EQ?

Guess I'll start up with the third research corp and check. Cool

Good news on the display error -- if that's all it is, it'll save me some trips.

Edit: Okay, so while EQ does go up for non-R&D agents while missioning, it appears to be a function of increasing Security Status(!)

I started working for Ishukone. I checked the EQ of the local R&D agent, and my local missioning (non-R&D agent), as my Ishukone standing went up:

Standing -- Mission Agent EQ -- R&D Agent EQ
============================================
1.40 -- 18 -- (-1)
1.46 -- 18 -- (-1)
1.54 -- 18 -- (-1)
1.73 -- 18 -- (-1)
1.81 -- 18 -- (-1)
1.92 -- 18 -- (-1)
1.96 -- 18 -- (-1)
1.99 -- 19 -- (-1)
2.06 -- 19 -- (-1)
[no Social or Science skills trained in this time]
[no faction/"important"/storyline missions taken]

At first, I thought this meant corp standing contributed to EQ for non-R&D. To check that, I looked at the EQ of some Security agents who are III/-7, for different corps.

Caldary Navy (9.80 standing) : agent EQ = 9
Minedrill (6.80) : agent EQ = 9
Spacelane Patrol (1.24) : agent EQ = 9

... meaning, corp standing isn't directly altering agent EQ. But since I saw the agent EQ climb while I missioned, that must mean security status plays into it.

So, yeah, doesn't look like working up your corporate standing will increase your RP/day, other than by allowing you to access better R&D agents. I stand corrected. Shocked

Venkul Mul
Gallente
Posted - 2008.05.08 21:45:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Pasocon Otaku
Edited by: Pasocon Otaku on 07/05/2008 22:23:41
Originally by: Venkul Mul
Improving your standing with a corporation don't improve your agent quality.

With non-research agents, it most certainly does.

The question is, does R&D agent EQ rise with corp standing (from running non-Research missions) like non-R&D agent EQ?

Guess I'll start up with the third research corp and check. Cool

Good news on the display error -- if that's all it is, it'll save me some trips.

Edit: Okay, so while EQ does go up for non-R&D agents while missioning, it appears to be a function of increasing Security Status(!)

I started working for Ishukone. I checked the EQ of the local R&D agent, and my local missioning (non-R&D agent), as my Ishukone standing went up:

Standing -- Mission Agent EQ -- R&D Agent EQ
============================================
1.40 -- 18 -- (-1)
1.46 -- 18 -- (-1)
1.54 -- 18 -- (-1)
1.73 -- 18 -- (-1)
1.81 -- 18 -- (-1)
1.92 -- 18 -- (-1)
1.96 -- 18 -- (-1)
1.99 -- 19 -- (-1)
2.06 -- 19 -- (-1)
[no Social or Science skills trained in this time]
[no faction/"important"/storyline missions taken]

At first, I thought this meant corp standing contributed to EQ for non-R&D. To check that, I looked at the EQ of some Security agents who are III/-7, for different corps.




No, you are missing a point: completing non-R&D missions for a specific agent will increase his effective quality, as that increase with your standing with the agent. When your standing with the agent exceed the corporation standing (or probably simply the standing needed to get him) you start to get and increase in effective quality.

As R&D missions don't give you standing with the agent that will not happen for R&D agents.

To make an example 2 3 +17 agents both in manufacturing, same corp, so all the same conditions apply:

Agent A, I have run missions for him:

Quality 17, Effective quality 47, relationships: Corp 8,02 Agent: 5,02

Agent B, never run missions for him:

Quality 17, Effective quality 43, relationships: Corp 8,02 Agent: no value


Another example 2 3 +0 agents both in marketing, same corp, so all the same conditions apply:

Agent A, I have run missions for him:

Quality 0, Effective quality 32, relationships: Corp 7,31 Agent: 7,78

Agent B, never run missions for him:

Quality 0, Effective quality 26, relationships: Corp 7,31 Agent: no value

If you start a new agent you will see that his initial standing is lower than the corporations standing but it will increase as you run successful missions. After a threshold (the minimum standing to get the agent if you had no corp/faction standing, I think) his effective standing start to rise.


 

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