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Bhender
Amarr
Languid Technologies Ltd.
Posted - 2008.05.02 14:38:00 - [1]
 

They seem to ahve really long range, and be large drone sized.

What role do they play though, and where do they fit?

Drones are a fine example of the rather perplexing (from and English speaking perspective) names given by CCP to these items.

Scout drones that are combat drones and have nothing to do with scouting. Light Scout drones. Medium Scout drones. Medium scout combat drones. Heavy attack drones. Fighters. Sentry drones.

It is like they took all the adjectives that *could* be sued to describe drones, threw them into a bucket, then randomly chose a couple of them for each class.

Why isn't it simply:

Combat Drones - Light, Medium, Heavy, Sentry*, Fighter (ditch the "scout/attack" stuff). Change Sentry to something that implies long range (if in fact that is their role) like "Sniper" or something.
EWAR Drones - Light, Medium, Heavy with roles under each, or alternatively go with roles subdivided by light/medium/heavy.

Right now we have "Combat utility" drones, EWAR drones, and logistics drones. What, a armor repair drone is not "combat utility"?

CCP should put me in charge of re-categorizing all these things. Then, when I am done with that, I can move on to the laser turrets. What a nightmare those are!

Resamo
Posted - 2008.05.02 15:26:00 - [2]
 

Ya drones are silly catagorized.

But sentry drones make sense, you deploy them and they cant move they sit there shooting. like a sentry gun you can depoly. Basically it gives you the ability to hit from range with drones.

Bhender
Amarr
Languid Technologies Ltd.
Posted - 2008.05.02 16:03:00 - [3]
 

Originally by: Resamo
Ya drones are silly catagorized.

But sentry drones make sense, you deploy them and they cant move they sit there shooting. like a sentry gun you can depoly. Basically it gives you the ability to hit from range with drones.



Ahhh, they do not move! That is the key to their role, I see. That makes good sense!

Wouldn't it be cool if it mentioned that in the item description???

Hardin
Amarr
Imperial Dreams
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
Posted - 2008.05.02 16:36:00 - [4]
 

Also sentry drones are instant damage which can be very handy when uses in gate camps vs nanos - or if the target is going to sie very fast and you want to max your damage.

If you are camping a gate in your BS you 'assign' your drones to a fast locking ship - an inty or the like.

If a fast ship starts running away from the gate your standard drones probably wont be fast enough to catch it and get in range and therefore wont do any damage.

However your sentries (because they will automatically be in range) will get at least a couple of volleys off before the target gets beyond 60km - and if the pilot is in a smaller ship and doesn't have enough transversal then the sentries can do a lot of damage.

I have popped fast Interceptors running from gates purely with sentry drone damage. IT does require the target to be a bit of an idiot but certainly in situations where you do not have to be very mobile they can be very handy.

Also Nano Ishtar groups are using an very clever tactic with them.

They jump into a camp at a gate and then run out to 60km. They then drop whole sets of Sentry Drones. Often the sentries can hit the targets at the gate but the people at the gate (often set up for short range) cannot hit the sentries. So the Ishtars can run around at long distance (and safe) while their sentry drones slowly work on the people on the gate. Of course it doesn't work well if the people on the gate have good remote repping or if they have someone who can start killing the sentries...


CrayC
Gallente
CrayC Inc.
Posted - 2008.05.02 18:26:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Bhender
Ahhh, they do not move! That is the key to their role, I see. That makes good sense!

Wouldn't it be cool if it mentioned that in the item description???


Check their Max Velocity Rolling Eyes

orangeFool
Gallente
Syrkos Technologies
Joint Venture Conglomerate
Posted - 2008.05.02 21:30:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Bhender
CCP should put me in charge of re-categorizing all these things. Then, when I am done with that, I can move on to the laser turrets. What a nightmare those are!

I absolutely love this post. Adorable!

Rash Teltor
Posted - 2008.05.03 14:01:00 - [7]
 

I don't really see the issue here.

Scout = moves fast and does light damage ahead of your ship.
Heavy = moves slow and does heavy damage.
Sentry = sits in one place and 'guards' one spot like a sentry on a gate
Combat Utility = used in combat, but does not deal damage
Logistics = deals with logistics.

An armour repair drone is not combat utility because it can be used outside of combat. You're not going to get much help from Ewar drones while repping POS shields or mods. As such logistics cruisers are not called Combat Utility Cruisers.

Bhender
Amarr
Languid Technologies Ltd.
Posted - 2008.05.05 14:36:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: CrayC
Originally by: Bhender
Ahhh, they do not move! That is the key to their role, I see. That makes good sense!

Wouldn't it be cool if it mentioned that in the item description???


Check their Max Velocity Rolling Eyes


Of course. One could discern everything one eneds to know about everything by carefully checking their attributes.

In fact, CCP could just get rid of ALL of this categorization! just call everything in the game "stuff", and let people figure out what it all does by checking its max velocity, among other things. WinkRolling Eyes

Karanth
Gallente
RONA Corporation
RONA Directorate
Posted - 2008.05.06 03:27:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Bhender
Originally by: CrayC
Originally by: Bhender
Ahhh, they do not move! That is the key to their role, I see. That makes good sense!

Wouldn't it be cool if it mentioned that in the item description???


Check their Max Velocity Rolling Eyes


Of course. One could discern everything one eneds to know about everything by carefully checking their attributes.

In fact, CCP could just get rid of ALL of this categorization! just call everything in the game "stuff", and let people figure out what it all does by checking its max velocity, among other things. WinkRolling Eyes


I see this thread going places. The real question is: Why is there no :troll: emote? Is it due to the fact it would be close to the :roll: emote, and be too similar?


Galeros
Gallente
Federal Navy Academy
Posted - 2008.05.06 07:57:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Bhender
Originally by: CrayC
Originally by: Bhender
Ahhh, they do not move! That is the key to their role, I see. That makes good sense!

Wouldn't it be cool if it mentioned that in the item description???


Check their Max Velocity Rolling Eyes


Of course. One could discern everything one eneds to know about everything by carefully checking their attributes.

In fact, CCP could just get rid of ALL of this categorization! just call everything in the game "stuff", and let people figure out what it all does by checking its max velocity, among other things. WinkRolling Eyes


/serious on
I agree, people would use their brain more that way.

Anyway:
- light scout drone - fast and light drone
- medium scout drone - fast, somewhat bigger drone
- heavy drone - slow and heavy drone
- sentry drone - stands in one spots and guards it
- fighter drone - drone for use on carriers(and motherships)

Sounds ok to me

Talidorn
Sad Panda Inc.
Pandora's Box.
Posted - 2008.05.06 12:53:00 - [11]
 

T2 Sentries are a great benefit to a Moros. :D

Bhender
Amarr
Languid Technologies Ltd.
Posted - 2008.05.06 14:02:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Galeros


/serious on
I agree, people would use their brain more that way.



Oh yeah, because the huge problem in EVE is that people are not challenged enough by its intuitive and easy to understand interface and mechanics. If only the game were MORE opaque and difficult to figure out!

Quote:

Anyway:
- light scout drone - fast and light drone
- medium scout drone - fast, somewhat bigger drone
- heavy drone - slow and heavy drone
- sentry drone - stands in one spots and guards it
- fighter drone - drone for use on carriers(and motherships)

Sounds ok to me


So what about the light and medium "scout" drones make them scout drones, but the heavy drone is no longer a scout drone? None of them actually do any "scouting" at all, and in fact a heavy drone is not any more different from a medium drone than a medium is from a light - they are all basically the same, just each is bigger, heavier, and slower. naming them differently suggests that there is a categorization difference that in reality does not exist.

It sounds ok to you because you already know what they all do - and this kind of elitism is why EVE is such a pain in the ass for new players. And the idea that difficult to understand names is somehow a mark of intelligence is simply false. There is a difference between knowledge of the arcane, and simply being smart.

The naming convention stinks, just like the lasre turret naming conventions. Well, maybe not just like, that is considerably worse. My suspicion is that this is an example of poor translation.

Sharp Feather
Gallente
POS Builder Inc.
Silent Requiem
Posted - 2008.05.06 14:44:00 - [13]
 

I totaly agree with the OP. Jeees, this game is not complex or complicated at all, its just VERY BADLY categorized and DESCRIBED.

Thats why a lot of people have issue with this game. CCP need to hire people to to arrange methodically the categorie and description.

Also; We need freaking keywords.

PS: if you find my english silly, try to speak as well french as I speak english. ktxhbye.

Mad

Lord Vittore
Posted - 2008.05.07 03:11:00 - [14]
 



They can also be used in POS bashing since heavies can't hut a POS shield. Just to get that little but more damage.

Leelo Atriedes
Amarr
TransGalactic Networks
Posted - 2008.05.07 13:43:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Bhender

So what about the light and medium "scout" drones make them scout drones, but the heavy drone is no longer a scout drone? None of them actually do any "scouting" at all, and in fact a heavy drone is not any more different from a medium drone than a medium is from a light - they are all basically the same, just each is bigger, heavier, and slower. naming them differently suggests that there is a categorization difference that in reality does not exist.



Correct me if I'm wrong, but a "scout" can be someone or something that's moving fast, are lightweight and agile - not only "scouting" as in a look-out or recon.

English is like a second language to me and...oh, it really is my second language... ugh

Bhender
Amarr
Languid Technologies Ltd.
Posted - 2008.05.08 14:56:00 - [16]
 

My guess is that the incredibly bad naming conventions are exactly that - these probably all make perfect sense in Icelandic? Nordic?

What *is* the native language of Iceland anyway? I must admit I have no idea...

Ookami Hogosha
Posted - 2008.05.08 17:30:00 - [17]
 

as some one still relatively new to eve and uses drones heavily, i found the names to be rather unintuitive at first but after a while cought on. no big deal but a more intuitive schema would be nice.

Leelo Atriedes
Amarr
TransGalactic Networks
Posted - 2008.05.09 13:52:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Bhender
My guess is that the incredibly bad naming conventions are exactly that - these probably all make perfect sense in Icelandic? Nordic?

What *is* the native language of Iceland anyway? I must admit I have no idea...


Icelandic

Ísland

Imaos
Posted - 2008.05.10 10:59:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Sharp Feather
I totaly agree with the OP. Jeees, this game is not complex or complicated at all, its just VERY BADLY categorized and DESCRIBED.

Thats why a lot of people have issue with this game. CCP need to hire people to to arrange methodically the categorie and description.

Also; We need freaking keywords.

PS: if you find my english silly, try to speak as well french as I speak english. ktxhbye.

Mad


Your english is better than that of many of the native speakers here Smile.

I don't think there need to be a name change in drones except maybe scout and heavy attack drones. (Could change scout to attack and it would be fine) The other categories are fine. Especially sentries! The name implies limited movement.

Logistics just do what this game considers logistics (as seen in logistics ships). EWAR drones contains all the ewar stuff and combat utility drones the secondary functions of the recons.

If you want to find bad categories and names look at lasers.

Imaos

Riessa DeVarii
Posted - 2008.05.10 12:29:00 - [20]
 

Sentries are handy when you're in a static scenario, such as guarding a mining operation, holding a gate camp, attacking a POS, or defending one.

The Myrmidon and Dominix are a good pair of Sentry-deploying ships that can get them out to impressive, if not sniping, ranges with Link Augmentors and Omnidirectionals.

Adelorae24
Caldari
Limited Mercy
Posted - 2008.05.10 18:20:00 - [21]
 

Just last night I had an Ishtar drop sentries and then move outside my targeting range. Very useful as I can't hit him but he can still hit me, and in my Nighthawk it's not as though I can run him down. The only real option at that point is to go for the drones. At any rate it's a good tactic, and it made for an enjoyable fight.


 

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