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Angelonico
Caldari
Helljumpers
Posted - 2008.05.03 00:11:00 - [151]
 

Originally by: Moran Trayga
Originally by: Angelonico
Originally by: Kraknall
Originally by: Shivalla
Originally by: jernej
Goodbye!




Oh dear... I can feel the burn...

:D

I wonder who was wrong.


You really ought not be so high and mighty, dear bobbit. Let me clarify things for your alliance;

1- You were attacked by the Coalition. You were pushed back into one single region, and there was absolutely nothing you could do about it.

2- The Coalition gave up and moved on. Without opposition from them, you can now retake *some* of your space.

3- Should the Coalition reform and attack you again, you will be pushed back into your lone little region again and there will be absolutely nothing you will be able to do about it.

I really don't see what's up with all the BoB chest-thumping. You're now known to be eminently beatable by the bulk of EVE pilots, and the only reason you're out and about in the South is because the Coalition, rather than spend billions of isk and months of gameplay grinding you down, moved off and *let* you out.

Am I the only one who sees you guys as stray cats creeping out of the garbage bin now that the dogs have given up and gone home? I think not.




Holy epic logic batman. Nice post.

Not that I have any hatred left in my gastank for bob. But this is kind of true. Arrogance and chest beating was what got 90% of eve to set you red the first time bobbits. (t20 incident asside, you were hated beofre that.)

I figured you'd learn a little bit from your mistakes. Your diplos at least. Scale down your rhetoric, for your own good. Sure MC is getting what they deserve, but continuing to act like arrogant asshats will just get you zerged again.

Just my two isk. Good luck to both MC and Bob in future affairs.


You know, like, their plan was to get zerged? Right? You know, all that bbq in '06 stuff... Or do you not pay attention in CAOD school?


Something like that. I was on the frontlines against bob for damn near a year. Yes I heard the bbq joke. Yes I hated them. Yes I grew to respect them. I also am a bit dumbfounded that the same overwhelming arrogance (eg. serious business) that got them in trouble in the first place, is back - and quite out in the open. I urge them to learn from their mistakes, and chest beat a bit less. It's obvious they kicked tortuga in the nuts and they folded like a stack of cards. Rubbing their nose about it in public doesn't do them any favors.

Don't be goons bob :P I've heard they have nasty crotch rot.

Moran Trayga
Caldari
Perkone
Posted - 2008.05.03 00:26:00 - [152]
 

Originally by: Angelonico
Originally by: Moran Trayga
Originally by: Angelonico
Originally by: Kraknall
Originally by: Shivalla
Originally by: jernej
Goodbye!




Oh dear... I can feel the burn...

:D

I wonder who was wrong.


You really ought not be so high and mighty, dear bobbit. Let me clarify things for your alliance;

1- You were attacked by the Coalition. You were pushed back into one single region, and there was absolutely nothing you could do about it.

2- The Coalition gave up and moved on. Without opposition from them, you can now retake *some* of your space.

3- Should the Coalition reform and attack you again, you will be pushed back into your lone little region again and there will be absolutely nothing you will be able to do about it.

I really don't see what's up with all the BoB chest-thumping. You're now known to be eminently beatable by the bulk of EVE pilots, and the only reason you're out and about in the South is because the Coalition, rather than spend billions of isk and months of gameplay grinding you down, moved off and *let* you out.

Am I the only one who sees you guys as stray cats creeping out of the garbage bin now that the dogs have given up and gone home? I think not.




Holy epic logic batman. Nice post.

Not that I have any hatred left in my gastank for bob. But this is kind of true. Arrogance and chest beating was what got 90% of eve to set you red the first time bobbits. (t20 incident asside, you were hated beofre that.)

I figured you'd learn a little bit from your mistakes. Your diplos at least. Scale down your rhetoric, for your own good. Sure MC is getting what they deserve, but continuing to act like arrogant asshats will just get you zerged again.

Just my two isk. Good luck to both MC and Bob in future affairs.


You know, like, their plan was to get zerged? Right? You know, all that bbq in '06 stuff... Or do you not pay attention in CAOD school?


Something like that. I was on the frontlines against bob for damn near a year. Yes I heard the bbq joke. Yes I hated them. Yes I grew to respect them. I also am a bit dumbfounded that the same overwhelming arrogance (eg. serious business) that got them in trouble in the first place, is back - and quite out in the open. I urge them to learn from their mistakes, and chest beat a bit less. It's obvious they kicked tortuga in the nuts and they folded like a stack of cards. Rubbing their nose about it in public doesn't do them any favors.

Don't be goons bob :P I've heard they have nasty crotch rot.


I think you're missing the point of their overt arrogance. It isn't to make friends.

Angelonico
Caldari
Helljumpers
Posted - 2008.05.03 00:34:00 - [153]
 

Oh? Then why are their a million threads complaining about the blob that took most of their conquered space and pets?

You, a bob alt, either ****ed off 90% of eve on purpose - then complained about being blobbed (lulz)....

Or this is rather weak spin.

I wouldn't walk down the same arrogant surious buziness role you did before. Good luck no matter what path(s) you choose.

BillyBong2
Amarr
3OO
WE FORM VOLTRON
Posted - 2008.05.03 00:34:00 - [154]
 

Thanks for taking the time to write this up Eddz. Good luck to you and your alliance in all future endeavors.

Mark Potter
Caldari
Are Cee Emm
Wildly Inappropriate.
Posted - 2008.05.03 00:39:00 - [155]
 

hey nice write up Kia Eddz , decent read.

i personally dont give a rats ass about the past war or the current wars. see im a simple person , i have my miner alt (this guy) , and most recently purchased me a pvp alt (Kwitchy , you dirty ***** , i got 1 day old noobs from npc corps pming me cussing me for you killing their ships a long ass time ago. LMAO good game!) and the only reason i got a pvp alt is for the fun.

i guess what im trying to get at here is alot of you pointing at BoB's diplomatic ability , or lack there of. Maybe some of you dont realize that BoB is a pvp alliance , maybe they dont try to be diplomatic because they honestly and sincerely WANT you to come shoot at them. Because why? THEY ENJOY THE PVP. Why else would you sit there and basically beckon the entire bulk of pvp fighters (or wanna be fighters (like myself)) to come and shoot at you? Not because you honestly think you're better than them , but because building **** like carriers , dreads , moms , titans (holy **** , how many do you guys have now?) is pretty much pointless unless you're going to put the *****s to use right ? Why bother flying that battleship in .0 unless you're gonna send a volley of whatever your ammo choice is up someone elses exhaust pipes? yeah sure , ratting can be fun at times , but honestly , how can long can you seriously warp from belt to belt (or chain spawn one belt) looking for npc's to kill ? when its much funner and more unpredictable to shoot at someone that can do something totally unexpected? yeah sure this is my miner alt , but hey , someones gotta pay for all my ship replacements right? :(

oh btw , im not brown nosing BoB , i personally dont like BoB , just my thoughts , mainly because i think blob warfare is gay. id rather jump into a system with 9 other allies and take on 10-20 enemies. than jump into a system with 200 allies facing 200 (or more or less) enemies. lag is not warfare. any **** can jump into a system , attempt to turn on the guns and then lag out and not see **** for the next 2 hours , somehow magically make it out alive , and claim victory. no skills needed. (seriously , 900ksp alts can do this , look at some of the other "major" alliances around) real warfare is the small gang fleets , the roaming gangs that came to your home town , ****ed up some of your npc'ers , and then waited on your ass to form that gang up and come get em , with out making you chase them and with out logging off or trying to hide like a ****.

Kera Delacour
Minmatar
Royal Black Watch Highlanders
Warped Aggression
Posted - 2008.05.03 00:45:00 - [156]
 

Very enjoyable read... while it's obviously only from 1 point of view it's nice to see one perspective on the war and how things went/are going.

Thanks! CAOD needs more posts like this.

MentaFox
Gallente
Warped Mining
Strip Mining Club
Posted - 2008.05.03 00:53:00 - [157]
 

wow, really nice writeup, thanks alot (:

Kraknall
Minmatar
Eve's Brothers of Destiny
FOUNDATI0N
Posted - 2008.05.03 01:12:00 - [158]
 

Originally by: Gontard





ha ha ha ha ha foundation .... ha ha ha ha ha

just shut up

edit : added content : you come in a bs, you get out in a titan Smile


Unlike most in this game, I don't really think what alliance I'm in has anything to do with my understanding of the goings-on in the universe. You think Foundation's funny? Risible? Good for you. Now, when you're actually able to counter anything I say with something other than a very lame joke about my alliance, maybe I'll have something to rebutt.

Kraknall
Minmatar
Eve's Brothers of Destiny
FOUNDATI0N
Posted - 2008.05.03 01:20:00 - [159]
 

Originally by: Dianabolic
Much stuff



I rate a response from one of (the?) most noteworthy BoB spindoctors. I'm really quite flattered. Not impressed by the response, but flattered in some perverse way anyway.

The blunt truth is, anyone can claim a "point" off of anything. "You gave me a good palm strike to the nose, but I bled all over your Armani suit. Point to me" is a good example. Yes, yes..."We bent but we didn't break." Kudos to you on that, really. My point- and you've done nothing to refute it but in fact confirmed it -is that Bob has gone from its previous perceived state of undisputed dominance in the game (BoB can't be defeated) to something more like "BoB can do whatever they like until they **** off enough people, and then they'll be forced back into a pocket yet again". You have free reign as long as the masses allow you to have free reign. Just like any other alliance in this game.


Moonlight Express
Amarr
Moonlight Express Inc.
Posted - 2008.05.03 01:27:00 - [160]
 

Originally by: Kraknall
Originally by: Dianabolic
Much stuff



I rate a response from one of (the?) most noteworthy BoB spindoctors. I'm really quite flattered. Not impressed by the response, but flattered in some perverse way anyway.

The blunt truth is, anyone can claim a "point" off of anything. "You gave me a good palm strike to the nose, but I bled all over your Armani suit. Point to me" is a good example. Yes, yes..."We bent but we didn't break." Kudos to you on that, really. My point- and you've done nothing to refute it but in fact confirmed it -is that Bob has gone from its previous perceived state of undisputed dominance in the game (BoB can't be defeated) to something more like "BoB can do whatever they like until they **** off enough people, and then they'll be forced back into a pocket yet again". You have free reign as long as the masses allow you to have free reign. Just like any other alliance in this game.




I think you just picked BoB's next target for them. Your alliance mates will thank you for sure.

Vasili Z
Minmatar
Cosmic Odyssey
BricK sQuAD.
Posted - 2008.05.03 02:15:00 - [161]
 

Quote:
For you, the day [BoB] graced your [region] was the most important day of your life. But for [us]... it was Tuesday.


hahaha best quote

NibiruX
Amarr
Ministry of War
Posted - 2008.05.03 02:42:00 - [162]
 

there is only one man to blame : Mynas Atoch

Orb Lati
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2008.05.03 02:48:00 - [163]
 

Originally by: NibiruX
there is only one man to blame : Mynas Atoch


Come on that's a bit hard on the poor fellow. I'm sure there are other that are to blame for the Torgtuga Collapse. SirMolle for one. :P

K'Bar
Caldari
D00M.
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2008.05.03 03:12:00 - [164]
 

I enjoyed your post.

Svett
Caldari
The Executives
IT Alliance
Posted - 2008.05.03 03:16:00 - [165]
 

Brave brave sir Tortuga, bravely ran away.

Adm Tecumseh
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2008.05.03 03:17:00 - [166]
 

Edited by: Adm Tecumseh on 03/05/2008 03:47:42
Originally by: Dark Warrior
While it's nice of you to call MC what they are - traitors, one has to wonder if you freely shared this opinion during the first successful months of co-existance as well. Or are you doing that only because that "Renowned Mercenary Corp" ended up failure-cascading on such a massive scale?

Maybe that's a part of the reason why the first line of your essay contains a semi-apology for writing it in the first place.

Still, don't think many people in BoB will have any hard feelings towards your Alliance. Good luck I guess...


Let me expand on this a bit,

MC are cowards. They saw the writing on the wall and thought it was better to make a deal with goonswarm and live in PB then to fight to the bitter end like RISE and RMF.

They conned you and the others into this venture so that they could pretend to have legitimacy.

I understand these feelings. A few (very few) people in RMF advocated that we accept the offer made to us to keep K-9 and go red to BoB.

We choose death. MC choose dishonour

Now the hands that were dealt are being played out.

GL and I hope you like oblivion.


Dianabolic
Gallente
Reikoku
IT Alliance
Posted - 2008.05.03 03:56:00 - [167]
 

Originally by: Angelonico
Oh? Then why are their a million threads complaining about the blob that took most of their conquered space and pets?

You, a bob alt, either ****ed off 90% of eve on purpose - then complained about being blobbed (lulz)....

Or this is rather weak spin.

I wouldn't walk down the same arrogant surious buziness role you did before. Good luck no matter what path(s) you choose.


Given the choice between fighting on our doorstep against thousands, and losing, or having to roam hundreds of jumps for a gank, and winning, I choose the former.

Angelonico
Caldari
Helljumpers
Posted - 2008.05.03 04:17:00 - [168]
 

Originally by: Dianabolic
Given the choice between fighting on our doorstep against thousands, and losing, or having to roam hundreds of jumps for a gank, and winning, I choose the former.


Good luck with that. I hope it works for you.

The arrogance and chest beating however, usually winds up costing peeps in the end. Just look at tortuga for instance. Wink

Cheers.


kanakuma
Caldari
FAST IMPACT
Zzz
Posted - 2008.05.03 04:24:00 - [169]
 

No Mc was clever enough to dont spend their time and assets for BOB .Why should they put their time and assets to save your azz? I would not ,their only fault is not actively joining war against BOB .And rise, lets dont start how you used them .
Originally by: Adm Tecumseh
Edited by: Adm Tecumseh on 03/05/2008 03:47:42

MC are cowards. They saw the writing on the wall and thought it was better to make a deal with goonswarm and live in PB then to fight to the bitter end like RISE and RMF.



Angelonico
Caldari
Helljumpers
Posted - 2008.05.03 04:25:00 - [170]
 

Originally by: kanakuma
No Mc was clever enough to dont spend their time and assets for BOB .Why should they put their time and assets to save your azz? I would not ,their only fault is not actively joining war against BOB .And rise, lets dont start how you used them .
Originally by: Adm Tecumseh
Edited by: Adm Tecumseh on 03/05/2008 03:47:42

MC are cowards. They saw the writing on the wall and thought it was better to make a deal with goonswarm and live in PB then to fight to the bitter end like RISE and RMF.





Rise was of use, at any point in time, to anyone? Really?

ShockedShockedShocked

I remember their "reaver" speech. Classic.

Franga
Caldari
NQX Innovations
The KWFL Republic
Posted - 2008.05.03 05:02:00 - [171]
 

I don't post much in CAOD anymore but this post caused me to. Post to follow:

I don't think I've ever seen Eddz back down from saying that he and his corp lost. Always up front about it. In my opinion that takes a little guts. Good job. Always nice to read a well written report as well.

MarthaStuart
Caldari
aaaaaaaaaaah an alt
Posted - 2008.05.03 06:06:00 - [172]
 

Edited by: MarthaStuart on 03/05/2008 06:08:33
Originally by: Angelonico
Oh? Then why are their a million threads complaining about the blob that took most of their conquered space and pets?

You, a bob alt, either ****ed off 90% of eve on purpose - then complained about being blobbed (lulz)....

Or this is rather weak spin.

I wouldn't walk down the same arrogant surious buziness role you did before. Good luck no matter what path(s) you choose.


Ive seen much much mor welp posts from RSF people (cyno, titan etc etc subjects). Also when bob members do mention the blob, usualy its because someone sitting the back seat in some nobody-alliance screaming 'WE OWND U EVIL BOBBITS!), or some goony :). Yes i know goons are PROUD AND HAPPY they have that many allies boasting they are much more diplomatic than BoB, yet they did to their own friends worse than what they accused BoB of doing.

In most fleet battles BoB constitues the majority of the GBC fleet (and BoB gave credit to all their allies specialy as of late).
Point is they dont complain, simply point out that it takes THAT MANY people against to actualy do something and yet lol.

Face it, doesn matter how people spin it, for those RSF who say BOB LOST THE MOST AMOUNT OF REGIONS IN THE SORTEST PERIOD OF TIME etc etc etc, its clear BoB set the new meaning for strategic witdrawal. True you conquered space and stations, remember most of it was non-bob space(ie EX ASCN etc) conquered by BoB/GBC and was held by BoB/GBC for much longer than RSF did so far (till this day, who knows u might keep it for longer).
Eddz good Write up, but dont spin the 'hatred to tortuga fueled bob', maybe it did (a little), but it doesnt and shouldnt take credit for their come back (hint Molle, member activity, high SP,logisitcs,organization, years of experience,ego etc..), it just gave them an extra mission in the overall campaign :) (killing MC/Totuga).
Kudos BoB, always setting the standard (and all of eve knows it)

An alt... KILL IT!

Angelonico
Caldari
Helljumpers
Posted - 2008.05.03 06:18:00 - [173]
 

Originally by: MarthaStuart
Ive seen much much mor welp posts from RSF people (cyno, titan etc etc subjects). Also when bob members do mention the blob, usualy its because someone sitting the back seat in some nobody-alliance screaming 'WE OWND U EVIL BOBBITS!), or some goony :). Yes i know goons are PROUD AND HAPPY they have that many allies boasting they are much more diplomatic than BoB, yet they did to their own friends worse than what they accused BoB of doing.



I wasn't suggesting or commenting on anything even remotely similar or related to any of that. Nor was I claiming RSF has any sort of morale high ground. Only warning bob that hubris generally costs you, in both eve and life.

HostageTaker
Gallente
Band of Freelancers
Posted - 2008.05.03 06:19:00 - [174]
 

Originally by: Angelonico
Originally by: Dianabolic
Given the choice between fighting on our doorstep against thousands, and losing, or having to roam hundreds of jumps for a gank, and winning, I choose the former.


Good luck with that. I hope it works for you.

The arrogance and chest beating however, usually winds up costing peeps in the end. Just look at tortuga for instance. Wink

Cheers.




It has worked for years, you must be new, welcome to EvE Online...

-_-


Please convo "Siddy" to start the Advanced EvE Tutorial.



Angelonico
Caldari
Helljumpers
Posted - 2008.05.03 06:23:00 - [175]
 

Edited by: Angelonico on 03/05/2008 06:27:43
I'd love to have a chat concerning your usage of the word "worked."

I'll edit this and scale down the glib.

You've struggled as an alliance just as any other - and have had major victories and major defeats. I've seen some of them first hand. I would have figured your leadership to learn from your past mistakes such as the aforementioned "hubris" that caused you to lose a good chunk of your space. You know. Evolve?

If you still want to be arrogant go for it, but I'm surprised you haven't learned from the past. Dafuzz seems to be on the right path.

Irreverance ftw.

Cheers and good luck with the rest of the war. I'll have fun watching it play out.

Aeon Yakati
Caldari
Destructive Influence
KenZoku
Posted - 2008.05.03 08:09:00 - [176]
 

Edited by: Aeon Yakati on 03/05/2008 08:20:42

It was blatant betrayal, despite us catching up on the deteriorating fibe between the two of us, and us not daring to ask the question earlier when Mynas was up and about spewing his vocal garbage around. In hindsight, we should have. Even if it meant we could potentially harm the relationship. So you can blame us for not being the best judge of man, but the blame for a consciously, calculated betrayal of their longtime friends in the eleventh hour falls in your lap. It can not be sweet talked or marginalized, regardless if Gaelsto posts 50 times in one thread.

Our numbers skyrocketed the moment we gave up the regions east of Querious. No more 40 jumps to fetch a new ship, front door insta-PVP 4tw. Sure, we had quite a few members come back because of the betrayal, but far be it to say the majority. To think that Tortuga's role in the GBC's new found zeal is of major consequence is ludicrous. You refused to give us a fight in T-Par then (took the system when we were occupied elsewhere) and you refuse to give us a fight now. If anything, you look like KOS now. You will go down in history as just another entity jumping ship when things look bad. Of which there were plenty.

Over-emphasizing your own role in the grand scheme of things and writing the GBC's success off as a direct result of your actions, does not re-write history into your favour. It makes you look silly and paints you off like you really did not know BoB too well at all.

Angelonico
Caldari
Helljumpers
Posted - 2008.05.03 08:48:00 - [177]
 

Edited by: Angelonico on 03/05/2008 09:02:52
I'm not blaming you for anything brosef. If anything I'm complimenting your total intimidation/decimation of tortuga in short order. Striking while MC was reeling from a PR nightmare, epic fail on all fronts, the dropping of corps, etc. Striking hard and fast was the perfect call... and so the mighty MC, once one of the most well respected cap forces in the game - and right fully so - falls.

However, weren't these guys your friends until a short time ago? Didn't they just want neutral space (however gay "tortuga" sounded.) Would they really have blued RSF if you hadn't sieged them?

Sure what they did was idiotic. Everyone and their brother knows this is a collasal **** up of epic proportions... but is what they tried to do that horrible? Pull out of the war and go neutral?

Meh. Maybe it was all total crap and a front, but I seem to remember MC having little to no respect for goons/RA and not wanting to work with them.

Sure they screwed up, and the usual cast of eve muppets will dance on their corpses. I just expected a little better from BOB as they were their former friends. The north and RSF have a history with MC and never would have accepted MC in period basis.

All MC did was go emo and try to pull out. Suicidal sure. But a little more understandable at the time, considering how bad the war looked for you at the time.

You forced them into the position of having to blue RSF ("sorry Nop") and everyone pretty much knew they were buggered one way or another at that point. I suppose resetting you in the first place was a bit of overconfidence on their own, no? Oh how the hubris cycle flows.

Poor Mynas, he'll be eating crow for the rest of his internet spaceship lifezorz.

thoth foc
Caldari
Arcane Technologies
The Five
Posted - 2008.05.03 09:03:00 - [178]
 

Originally by: Angelonico
The arrogance and chest beating however, usually winds up costing peeps in the end.


No, it usually doesnt.. statements like that just show your lack of understanding tbh..

It is always ignorance that costs ppl.. arrogance and chest beating are only tools that can be used..

Angelonico
Caldari
Helljumpers
Posted - 2008.05.03 09:04:00 - [179]
 

Originally by: thoth foc
Originally by: Angelonico
The arrogance and chest beating however, usually winds up costing peeps in the end.


No, it usually doesnt.. statements like that just show your lack of understanding tbh..

It is always ignorance that costs ppl.. arrogance and chest beating are only tools that can be used..


You're right and I'm not privy to your boards or goons, much less MC's... and there is a lot of information I don't have access too. All I know I learned on the field so to speak.

However you will have to agree with me on the basic principle that, much like ignorance, arrogance is a weakness.

Billy Merc
Amarr
Viziam
Posted - 2008.05.03 09:13:00 - [180]
 

omg wfux goin on, a post in caod worthy of a read :)

well done eddz...and its like they say if you can at least take one positive thing away from anything you do...it was worth it.


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