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Kaleeb
Caldari
0ne Percent.
Posted - 2008.05.02 18:18:00 - [121]
 

Interesting read Eddz, regardless of whether it was accurate or not it makes a nice break from the usual rubbish threads that populate this forum these days Sad

Emolayshun
Minmatar
Republic University
Posted - 2008.05.02 18:32:00 - [122]
 

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Sidsolis
Gallente
Black Serpent Technologies
R.A.G.E
Posted - 2008.05.02 18:49:00 - [123]
 

Originally by: Kaleeb
Interesting read Eddz, regardless of whether it was accurate or not it makes a nice break from the usual rubbish threads that populate this forum these days Sad


agreed. Good luck to all those that breath life into Tortuga
give them hell!

Hardin
Amarr
Imperial Dreams
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
Posted - 2008.05.02 19:31:00 - [124]
 

Great read Eddz - a post after my own heart Smile

As an 'outsider' to the great war it is always nice to see an indepth and relatively balanced perspective.

Miss Kaalikiota
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
Posted - 2008.05.02 19:37:00 - [125]
 

Oh how quickly an honorable and honest post becomes a place for other people to bash the op and flex their epeen at their enemy's demise. True COAD to the very end.

Loomina
Gallente
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
Posted - 2008.05.02 19:42:00 - [126]
 

A clear and intelligent write-up. How refreshing !! Thankyou Eddz and Good Luck Mate.
Loomi waves at Daisho <3

*_*

Ace Frehley
Minmatar
Mercenaries of Andosia
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2008.05.02 20:00:00 - [127]
 

good read!

Why is it always, that every thread endz up to big smacking? Rolling Eyes

bluecheast
Gallente
Waiting for Palli
WILD BOARS
Posted - 2008.05.02 20:22:00 - [128]
 

Originally by: KIAEddZ
KIA just wanted to be free of obligation, and have a home in lucrative space, surrounded by like minded people.




lol

Kraknall
Minmatar
Eve's Brothers of Destiny
FOUNDATI0N
Posted - 2008.05.02 20:31:00 - [129]
 

Originally by: Shivalla
Originally by: jernej
Goodbye!




Oh dear... I can feel the burn...

:D

I wonder who was wrong.


You really ought not be so high and mighty, dear bobbit. Let me clarify things for your alliance;

1- You were attacked by the Coalition. You were pushed back into one single region, and there was absolutely nothing you could do about it.

2- The Coalition gave up and moved on. Without opposition from them, you can now retake *some* of your space.

3- Should the Coalition reform and attack you again, you will be pushed back into your lone little region again and there will be absolutely nothing you will be able to do about it.

I really don't see what's up with all the BoB chest-thumping. You're now known to be eminently beatable by the bulk of EVE pilots, and the only reason you're out and about in the South is because the Coalition, rather than spend billions of isk and months of gameplay grinding you down, moved off and *let* you out.

Am I the only one who sees you guys as stray cats creeping out of the garbage bin now that the dogs have given up and gone home? I think not.


Gontard
Minmatar
E-Truth
Posted - 2008.05.02 20:40:00 - [130]
 

Edited by: Gontard on 02/05/2008 20:41:48
Originally by: Kraknall
Originally by: Shivalla
Originally by: jernej
Goodbye!




Oh dear... I can feel the burn...

:D

I wonder who was wrong.


You really ought not be so high and mighty, dear bobbit. Let me clarify things for your alliance;

...




ha ha ha ha ha foundation .... ha ha ha ha ha

just shut up

edit : added content : you come in a bs, you get out in a titan Smile

Dianabolic
Gallente
Reikoku
IT Alliance
Posted - 2008.05.02 20:42:00 - [131]
 

Originally by: Kraknall
1- You were attacked by the Coalition. You were pushed back into one single region, and there was absolutely nothing you could do about it.


There's absolutely nothing ANYBODY could do about it given the numbers, Kraknall - the difference between us and the vast majority of eve is that we didn't break. No corps left, our numbers in fact ROSE, as did our activity the further against the wall we were pushed.

1 point to us.

Originally by: Kraknall
2- The Coalition gave up and moved on. Without opposition from them, you can now retake *some* of your space.



Wrong, the coalition is trying to stop us, have you missed the fact the goons are living in Delve? No, we don't notice them either, but hey, they say they're there.

2 points to us.

Originally by: Kraknall
3- Should the Coalition reform and attack you again, you will be pushed back into your lone little region again and there will be absolutely nothing you will be able to do about it.


We find no shame in falling back against overwhelming odds, though you seem to think we should - so by that logic if we are NOT pushed back, just by not losing, we win?

I love it.

Three points to us.

Originally by: Kraknall
I really don't see what's up with all the BoB chest-thumping. You're now known to be eminently beatable by the bulk of EVE pilots, and the only reason you're out and about in the South is because the Coalition, rather than spend billions of isk and months of gameplay grinding you down, moved off and *let* you out.


We're eminently beatable by the bulk, WHEN THE BULK SHOW UP, you missed a rather important tidbit there Kraknall. The coalition didn't "let" us out, they failed to keep it together and that little gem of insight is by their OWN admission, but hey you being a nobody must see something they don't, right?

Originally by: Kraknall
Am I the only one who sees you guys as stray cats creeping out of the garbage bin now that the dogs have given up and gone home? I think not.


It's a pretty nice garage, and I guess the dogs like their kennel.

AKULA UrQuan
Caldari
Druuge Crimson Corporation
Posted - 2008.05.02 20:43:00 - [132]
 

Originally by: Kraknall
You really ought not be so high and mighty, dear bobbit. Let me clarify things for your alliance;

1- You were attacked by the Coalition. You were pushed back into one single region, and there was absolutely nothing you could do about it.

2- The Coalition gave up and moved on. Without opposition from them, you can now retake *some* of your space.

3- Should the Coalition reform and attack you again, you will be pushed back into your lone little region again and there will be absolutely nothing you will be able to do about it.

I really don't see what's up with all the BoB chest-thumping. You're now known to be eminently beatable by the bulk of EVE pilots, and the only reason you're out and about in the South is because the Coalition, rather than spend billions of isk and months of gameplay grinding you down, moved off and *let* you out.

Am I the only one who sees you guys as stray cats creeping out of the garbage bin now that the dogs have given up and gone home? I think not.


Didn't complete the job. Now the coalition, assumeing it ever was one, is left with a wounded tiger that is not in the best of moods. Just an observation....

Sergeant Spot
Caldari
Galactic Geographic BookMark Surveying Inc.
Posted - 2008.05.02 20:44:00 - [133]
 

Nice post KIAEddz, no joke.

As is manditory in such cases, I'll say that you're not entirely accurate, but I'll accept you are accurate as you see things. Good enough.

But in spite of my own low level of activity these past few months, I have kept my ears opened.

BoB was NEVER, not at the start, nor at any part of this epic campaign, at a morale breaking point.

SirMolle
Amarr
Evolution
The Initiative.
Posted - 2008.05.02 21:08:00 - [134]
 


Ruah Piskonit
Amarr
PIE Inc.
Posted - 2008.05.02 21:38:00 - [135]
 

I always said BoB would come through one way or another - quite frankly I am not suprised. Good write up and lets hope the south does not go cold like the north. . .

Doogin
Gallente
Capital Black Sun Enterprises
R-I-P
Posted - 2008.05.02 22:32:00 - [136]
 

Originally by: SirMolle
Regardless of how I read it, this is the most suitable reply i find.



love the video...

proud to be a skunk...

proud to be a pet...

tick tock MC... tick tock

Fitz Chivalry
Gallente
Vengeance Imperium
Wildly Inappropriate.
Posted - 2008.05.02 22:32:00 - [137]
 

Good read.

I enjoyed haivng Tortuga on our doorstep and there were a few good fights (provided that there were no titans brought out) so its sad to see you all move away.

Its very telling when you look at the kind of cap numbers people like smashkill can bring now (looking at the RA mothership loss earlier) that the MC's huge advantage (a large cap fleet) now no longer exists which is why they are no longer the force they were.

slothe
Caldari
Jian Products Engineering Group
Atlas.
Posted - 2008.05.02 22:44:00 - [138]
 

Tortuga was a short term fix for a long term problem that was never going to go away realistically. MC was the only group with the willpower to do anything long term, but without the numbers and resources to do it themselves.

The other groups were corps / small alliances that were only interested in themselves in the short term, well illustrated by the admissions that you feel you profited in tortuga by the billions you made in the short period while you were there. Your simply trying, like politicians, to portray a failure as a victory, which frankly it wasnt. You came to take an area and hold it, but you failed, simple as.

thoth foc
Caldari
Arcane Technologies
The Five
Posted - 2008.05.02 22:52:00 - [139]
 

Originally by: slothe
Tortuga was a short term fix for a long term problem that was never going to go away realistically. MC was the only group with the willpower to do anything long term, but without the numbers and resources to do it themselves.

The other groups were corps / small alliances that were only interested in themselves in the short term, well illustrated by the admissions that you feel you profited in tortuga by the billions you made in the short period while you were there. Your simply trying, like politicians, to portray a failure as a victory, which frankly it wasnt. You came to take an area and hold it, but you failed, simple as.


tbh, i'm not sure where you get the idea MC have the will power to do anything long term.. recently they talked alot, but did very little..

I think you're mistaking the current MC for the MC of old..

Slayton Ford
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2008.05.02 22:58:00 - [140]
 

As someone who lived next door to the Tortugans, I thought it was great the relationship we had with them. There was never any sov threats (Paragon Soul is 5+ capital jumps from PB), but we were able to have fun pew pew with each other. Seeing a tortugan log when trapped was a rare occurance. Occasionally we had blue settings, but only when needed.

Now were going to have the bobbits coming around who just like to play loggoffski when they find out about dead end branches.

Shivalla
Gallente
Financial Removal
THE SPACE P0LICE
Posted - 2008.05.02 23:08:00 - [141]
 

Originally by: Dianabolic
Originally by: Kraknall
1- You were attacked by the Coalition. You were pushed back into one single region, and there was absolutely nothing you could do about it.


There's absolutely nothing ANYBODY could do about it given the numbers, Kraknall - the difference between us and the vast majority of eve is that we didn't break. No corps left, our numbers in fact ROSE, as did our activity the further against the wall we were pushed.

1 point to us.

Originally by: Kraknall
2- The Coalition gave up and moved on. Without opposition from them, you can now retake *some* of your space.



Wrong, the coalition is trying to stop us, have you missed the fact the goons are living in Delve? No, we don't notice them either, but hey, they say they're there.

2 points to us.

Originally by: Kraknall
3- Should the Coalition reform and attack you again, you will be pushed back into your lone little region again and there will be absolutely nothing you will be able to do about it.


We find no shame in falling back against overwhelming odds, though you seem to think we should - so by that logic if we are NOT pushed back, just by not losing, we win?

I love it.

Three points to us.

Originally by: Kraknall
I really don't see what's up with all the BoB chest-thumping. You're now known to be eminently beatable by the bulk of EVE pilots, and the only reason you're out and about in the South is because the Coalition, rather than spend billions of isk and months of gameplay grinding you down, moved off and *let* you out.


We're eminently beatable by the bulk, WHEN THE BULK SHOW UP, you missed a rather important tidbit there Kraknall. The coalition didn't "let" us out, they failed to keep it together and that little gem of insight is by their OWN admission, but hey you being a nobody must see something they don't, right?

Originally by: Kraknall
Am I the only one who sees you guys as stray cats creeping out of the garbage bin now that the dogs have given up and gone home? I think not.


It's a pretty nice garage, and I guess the dogs like their kennel.


I couldnt say it better. So I will just quote for the truth.

Dolt Incognito
Caldari
Perkone
Posted - 2008.05.02 23:13:00 - [142]
 

Originally by: Kraknall


You really ought not be so high and mighty, dear bobbit. Let me clarify things for your alliance;

1- You were attacked by the Coalition. You were pushed back into one single region, and there was absolutely nothing you could do about it.
This news just in: BoB isn’t completely invincible! They are – despite claims to the contrary – human. There is not a single alliance in the game that can claim to be able to hold off an unlimited number of opponents. Realistically speaking, if enough people attack you, you will lose. Simple math. Right, so we’ve discovered that no one single entity can be invincible. If no one is invincible, which one is the most powerful? Gimme your best guess – I’ll give you a cookie for the right answer.
Quote:
2- The Coalition gave up and moved on. Without opposition from them, you can now retake *some* of your space.
Highlighted the relevant bit. Despite facing an enemy with an overwhelming numerical advantage, BoB not only survived, but thrived. Their numbers didn’t drop; they went up. Aside from RA, how many surviving superpowers can claim to have faced something like this and not folded? Any big alliance (ASCN) can blob it up and declare themselves the bestest alliance ever. But how many self-proclaimed superpowers have lasted this long, against odds this great? An earlier quote in this thread sums it up: “A warrior's true spirit is only measured in the moment of his defeat.” Anyone can be a NAP-train riding (Coalition) superpower. But for some mysterious reason, these superpowers crumble the moment they meet a remotely challenging foe. BoB hasn’t crumbled – if anything, they are more powerful now than they were before.
Quote:
3- Should the Coalition reform and attack you again, you will be pushed back into your lone little region again and there will be absolutely nothing you will be able to do about it.
Should the coalition reform, they will continue the trend of losing fleet battles despite massively larger fleets. They will continue to do this until participation and membership levels drop to an unacceptable level. Then, they give up. Again.

The real question is; considering the circumstances, could anyone have done better than BoB?

The Coalition claims BoB isn’t any good at diplomacy. They say it’s BoB’s fault that the numbers arrayed against them were so vast – if they had been a bit more humble, maybe they wouldn’t have faced so many. And this is true. But in the end- did these numbers win them the war? You want to see “good” diplomacy, look at the north. What is the fun in being blue to everyone around you? If you’re a PVP alliance, you should try to like, PVP, right? BoB is living proof that with enough skill and a will of iron, diplomacy is optional.

Shivalla
Gallente
Financial Removal
THE SPACE P0LICE
Posted - 2008.05.02 23:16:00 - [143]
 

Originally by: Slayton Ford
As someone who lived next door to the Tortugans, I thought it was great the relationship we had with them. There was never any sov threats (Paragon Soul is 5+ capital jumps from PB), but we were able to have fun pew pew with each other. Seeing a tortugan log when trapped was a rare occurance. Occasionally we had blue settings, but only when needed.

Now were going to have the bobbits coming around who just like to play loggoffski when they find out about dead end branches.


I thought RA/Hydra/Goons were those who logged off... and STK the one who are the PRIME of ASCN with their superior tactics.

I quote:" But I can't help thinking that ignoring a BoB gang is "probably" the correct strategy."

So, to point the obvious: ASCN 2008, is the contingency plan already made and published?

Now is a good time to watch in mirror, and see the reflection.

Doddy
Gallente
Excidium.
Executive Outcomes
Posted - 2008.05.02 23:17:00 - [144]
 

T.b.h all the bob is crap at diplomacy and has no freinds stuff is a bit past it. GBC fleets are bigger now than they were at any other time, including when MC was flying with the GBC.

Sidsolis
Gallente
Black Serpent Technologies
R.A.G.E
Posted - 2008.05.02 23:24:00 - [145]
 

Originally by: SirMolle
Regardless of how I read it, this is the most suitable reply i find.



i'm openly going admit i'm stick my noise in where it doesn't belong, only because after seeing your video molle it reminded me of this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IELcBwoh5KY

Karbowiak
Caldari
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2008.05.02 23:31:00 - [146]
 

Quote:
'Some of the FC's stepping up, were inexperienced, and in all honesty poor. This caused quite a kerfluffle in the KIA camp, as ships were lost, tension mounted. KIA came under flack for ill fitted Fleet ships, and all in all tensions mounted between the parties.'


The inexperienced FCs was KIA.
The ill fitted fleet ships was KIA.
The guys doing all the whining was KIA.

Im not saying it was KIA's fault Tortuga lost, but all i saw from KIA was **** **** **** and ****.
ps. i dont like Eddz (not that its a secret Laughing)

Ghaelsto Kakram
Minmatar
Mindgamers
Posted - 2008.05.02 23:35:00 - [147]
 

Originally by: Doddy
T.b.h all the bob is crap at diplomacy and has no freinds stuff is a bit past it. GBC fleets are bigger now than they were at any other time, including when MC was flying with the GBC.

Recruiting a few MC doesn't exactly make you bigger. Or a few newbie wannabes. Who we all know will get screwed over anyway.

Angelonico
Caldari
Helljumpers
Posted - 2008.05.03 00:02:00 - [148]
 

Edited by: Angelonico on 03/05/2008 00:04:38
Originally by: Kraknall
Originally by: Shivalla
Originally by: jernej
Goodbye!




Oh dear... I can feel the burn...

:D

I wonder who was wrong.


You really ought not be so high and mighty, dear bobbit. Let me clarify things for your alliance;

1- You were attacked by the Coalition. You were pushed back into one single region, and there was absolutely nothing you could do about it.

2- The Coalition gave up and moved on. Without opposition from them, you can now retake *some* of your space.

3- Should the Coalition reform and attack you again, you will be pushed back into your lone little region again and there will be absolutely nothing you will be able to do about it.

I really don't see what's up with all the BoB chest-thumping. You're now known to be eminently beatable by the bulk of EVE pilots, and the only reason you're out and about in the South is because the Coalition, rather than spend billions of isk and months of gameplay grinding you down, moved off and *let* you out.

Am I the only one who sees you guys as stray cats creeping out of the garbage bin now that the dogs have given up and gone home? I think not.




Holy epic logic batman. Nice post.

Not that I have any hatred left in my gastank for bob, But this is kind of true. Arrogance and chest beating was what got 90% of eve to set you red the first time bobbits. (t20 incident aside, you were hated before that.)

I figured you'd learn a little bit from your mistakes. Your diplos at least. Scale down your rhetoric, for your own good. Sure MC is getting what they deserve, but continuing to act like arrogant asshats will just get you zerged again.

Just my two isk. Good luck to both MC and Bob in future affairs.

Moran Trayga
Caldari
Perkone
Posted - 2008.05.03 00:06:00 - [149]
 

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thoth foc
Caldari
Arcane Technologies
The Five
Posted - 2008.05.03 00:09:00 - [150]
 

Originally by: Angelonico

Holy epic logic batman. Nice post.

Not that I have any hatred left in my gastank for bob, But this is kind of true. Arrogance and chest beating was what got 90% of eve to set you red the first time bobbits. (t20 incident aside, you were hated before that.)

I figured you'd learn a little bit from your mistakes. Your diplos at least. Scale down your rhetoric, for your own good. Sure MC is getting what they deserve, but continuing to act like arrogant asshats will just get you zerged again.

Just my two isk. Good luck to both MC and Bob in future affairs.


So if we dont scale down our rhetoric, we're going to go back to getting 3 or 4 fights a nite?

yes.. epic logic...


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