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Ghaelsto Kakram
Minmatar
Mindgamers
Posted - 2008.05.02 13:45:00 - [61]
 

Originally by: Shinigami
I would like to request the one line summary.

Sh*t happens.

Blane Xero
Amarr
The Firestorm Cartel
Posted - 2008.05.02 13:55:00 - [62]
 

Originally by: Ghaelsto Kakram
Originally by: Shinigami
I would like to request the one line summary.

Sh*t happens.


No, Sh*t Happened.

Zara Torbe
Gallente
B.O.H.I.C.A Blues
IDLE EMPIRE
Posted - 2008.05.02 14:10:00 - [63]
 

So ... Eddz' App. to BOB is in? or?

AKULA UrQuan
Caldari
Druuge Crimson Corporation
Posted - 2008.05.02 14:10:00 - [64]
 

Originally by: Shinigami
I would like to request the one line summary.


They're takeing their titan and going home.

slip66
Caldari
Resilience.
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2008.05.02 14:13:00 - [65]
 

Well wrtitten EDDZ,

While I don't agree with everything you wrote thats fine its your prospective! It was well written and seemed liek you really mean what you say.

Most of us were really looking for a knock down drag out fight, hence everyone and thier brother wanting a peice of MC and in on the action.

Gl in yoru future.

Souine
Caldari
State War Academy
Posted - 2008.05.02 14:17:00 - [66]
 

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PR0PAGANDA
Gallente
Raging Emo
Posted - 2008.05.02 14:22:00 - [67]
 

Originally by: Souine
Nice post, It wasn't BOB that Won that war it was the Huge Coalition and it's dog that fell apart and withdrew that lost it.



yeah you are right, bob never won any of the battlesRolling Eyes

thoth foc
Caldari
Arcane Technologies
The Five
Posted - 2008.05.02 14:26:00 - [68]
 

Originally by: slip66
Well wrtitten EDDZ,

While I don't agree with everything you wrote thats fine its your prospective! It was well written and seemed liek you really mean what you say.




pretty much this..

slip66
Caldari
Resilience.
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2008.05.02 14:32:00 - [69]
 

Edited by: slip66 on 02/05/2008 14:32:56
double :(

Metal Dude
Gallente
Destructive Influence
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2008.05.02 14:35:00 - [70]
 

Rent is past due and will be collected, one-way or another. If KIA thinks that this is over for their members, they are mistaken. DICE has very long memory when it comes to vengeance and revenge. Trust me, this is not over by a long shot.

NOL Waiter
Amarr
Viziam
Posted - 2008.05.02 14:42:00 - [71]
 

Nice writeup. I especially loved the part where you don't mention that you and Tortuga pussied out (twice) during the coalition's offensive in Delve, and also the part where you forgot to talk about the attack on 49- at the orders of Band of Brothers (which was pranking Tortuga).

One other thing, 0utbreak and Ev0ke are excellent groups of players (possibly among the best in their fields) but whoever thought that they'd go through months of boring POS warfare is delusional- it's not like it is a mystery that they don't like it. Next time you want to pull a football team together, don't recruit basketball players.

Ghaelsto Kakram
Minmatar
Mindgamers
Posted - 2008.05.02 14:49:00 - [72]
 

Originally by: Metal Dude
Rent is past due and will be collected, one-way or another. If KIA thinks that this is over for their members, they are mistaken. DICE has very long memory when it comes to vengeance and revenge. Trust me, this is not over by a long shot.

Nice emo-rant. It's almost like you really mean this.

Ginea Moya
Caldari
O.P.T
Posted - 2008.05.02 14:57:00 - [73]
 

A very nice read :)

Ariko Gunaris
Gallente
Aliastra
Posted - 2008.05.02 15:10:00 - [74]
 

Posting in a "Here's our story, please have sympathy, and oh god BoB plz spare us" thread.


Le Mare
Amarr
Hedion University
Posted - 2008.05.02 15:20:00 - [75]
 

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Nebuchadnezzar I
Caldari
Art of War
Cult of War
Posted - 2008.05.02 15:25:00 - [76]
 

Nice writeup. Thank you for that.

Natas Dog
Caldari
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2008.05.02 15:29:00 - [77]
 

Originally by: Metal Dude
Rent is past due and will be collected, one-way or another. If KIA thinks that this is over for their members, they are mistaken. DICE has very long memory when it comes to vengeance and revenge. Trust me, this is not over by a long shot.


Would it be safe to say you'll be monitoring the progress of KIA alliance, and preventing them from ever building a significant presence in 0.0 ever again?

Kalek Astroth
Amarr
A.N.A.R.C.H.I.C.A
Posted - 2008.05.02 15:35:00 - [78]
 

nice writeup,
you should have put your weight on delve campaign, you didnt , you have farmed 100b isk and now got a titan , hope BoB will kick you out of PB cause you dont deserve to stay in 0.0 any longer imoWink

Flashh Gorden
Caldari
Exile Consortium
Nihilists Social Club
Posted - 2008.05.02 15:41:00 - [79]
 

MC kicked a man when he was down or atleast when they thought he was down. It was not a stranger but it was a friend or atleast a long term partner thats what got alot of peoples backs up.
Its quite shocking really how little resolve for a fight they show now the man is back on his feet and looking for some payback.

Karash Amerius
Amarr
Sutoka
Posted - 2008.05.02 15:43:00 - [80]
 

A warrior's true spirit is only measured in the moment of his defeat. Think about that KIA (and especially MC).

Aldrabeirus Cobrabanhus
Caldari
Power and Production
DarkStorm Enterprises
Posted - 2008.05.02 15:43:00 - [81]
 

Edited by: Aldrabeirus Cobrabanhus on 02/05/2008 15:44:04
Originally by: KIAEddZ
Edited by: KIAEddZ on 02/05/2008 11:16:52
The culmination is dissapointing, with Tortugan forces ambushed hard n fast by BoB, no time to gather forces and create a fight back,
...
We are dying on our feet
...
BoB used the epic betrayal
...


So let me get this straight: you dont fight back because you had no time (oh no one could see this coming as if BoB would forgive MC backstabbers and not go after Tortuga), so you didnt have time, yet you say you are dying on your feet (how, if you say you're not fighting yourselves ?) and at the same time BoB's secret weapon was betrayal (hmmm maybe it should be possible to send something to counter that, I don't know, ships, maybe ?).

Why can't ppl just say "we made a bad move but we stand by it, it didn't work and now bob killed us" ?

DigitalCommunist
Gallente
November Corporation
Posted - 2008.05.02 15:48:00 - [82]
 

Edited by: DigitalCommunist on 02/05/2008 15:50:41
That was a good writeup, and I commend you for not spewing vitriol as is the trend. But at the surface lies some very bad spin and it wouldn't be me of me to leave it alone.

You basically threw in a poor justification for BoB being able to win as a parting gift. What you heard about their leadership, activity and morale came from one side (Seleene), which had become disillusioned and somewhat egotistical in the belief that they could do better than BoB in territorial warfare.

Do you think they would have sold you on Tortuga if you were given some unbiased report of how it might go down? The second you guys announced this, even the biggest failures of political analysis could predict it coming.

In fact, all they had to do was make you believe what you probably heard on CAOD, a place where people try to make themselves believe in things as much as they try to convince the enemy.

Even though I haven't been BoB for some 8 months, I keep tabs of whats going on in all the various wars around EVE. It didn't look to me like numbers and fleet sizes dropped one single bit, but then again, I'm not the kind of person to hope they would with the core of my being.

Even with Molle off to Malaysia for a week, there was no leadership vacuum. That is probably the scariest trial-by-fire test of all. Molle is just so much better at handling epic ****storms than anyone else. Three new outposts went up, and how many Titans were built?

Do you really, seriously think, that MC and KIA are the reason BoB is where it is today? That without an easy PR victory like betrayal, the outcome would be any different? The number of times I've heard BoB is dead has to be in the double digits, and you were a fool for believing it just because space was changing hands.

Looking at Period Basis, you yourself wrote how much of an easy time you had with taking and securing PB, but ran into hard times with TPAR. The reason is simple, 'taking' everything but TPAR did not require taking a BoB station. That should've been your first and most obvious warning to prepare for the inevitable siege.

Even when they told you it was coming for months, you guys had no serious plan to deal with it.

In the end you're essentially stating they turned around from the brink of annihilation by galvanizing around their hatred of you. That sounds incredibly egotistical, and since you're fond of quotes, I think this one sums up my view of KIA vs BoB:

Quote:
For you, the day [BoB] graced your [region] was the most important day of your life. But for [us]... it was Tuesday.


Their feelings about this dictated one thing only, and that is tactics. You were hit hard, fast and dirty because they knew half your Tortugan memberbase was still reeling over the various leadership decisions; leaders whose only credentials were from EverQuest.

You weren't given the hope or opportunity of counter-offensive, simply to break spirits and drive home the idea that mercenaries shouldn't play Space Empires in the vicinity of the big dogs.

This is an attempt to write history in a way that makes you look good and somewhat important in the grand scheme of things. So you can tell your members and other people you encounter that Tortuga, and its eventual demise, was a meaningful contribution to EVE when it became instrumental in BoB's comeback.

No matter how well you convince people now, you're still going to regret going down with a whimper.

Ghaelsto Kakram
Minmatar
Mindgamers
Posted - 2008.05.02 15:50:00 - [83]
 

Originally by: Karash Amerius blog post
What I have witnessed from MC is nothing sort of disgusting.

More Bob emo ranting? Geez guys, this is a game fgs.

Le Mare
Amarr
Hedion University
Posted - 2008.05.02 15:56:00 - [84]
 

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Elles D
Caldari
Clan Shadow Wolf
Fatal Ascension
Posted - 2008.05.02 15:59:00 - [85]
 

Good writeup.

Ghaelsto Kakram
Minmatar
Mindgamers
Posted - 2008.05.02 16:00:00 - [86]
 

Originally by: DigitalCommunist
This is an attempt to write history in a way that makes you look good and somewhat important in the grand scheme of things. So you can tell your members and other people you encounter that Tortuga, and its eventual demise, was a meaningful contribution to EVE when it became instrumental in BoB's comeback.

DigitalCommunist, it really sounds like you're trying to get an early jump on revisionist history.

DigitalCommunist
Gallente
November Corporation
Posted - 2008.05.02 16:04:00 - [87]
 

That was clever, because I accused you of the same thing a few days ago. Kudos for your wit, its almost as witty as reusing one-line memes.

The difference is I didn't post 50 times in one thread, something I won't believe in a year, and behind a alt.

Darth Sith
Caldari
Genbuku.
Nulli Secunda
Posted - 2008.05.02 16:05:00 - [88]
 

On behalf of Daisho, nice write up Eddz, made for a good read and caused more then one flashback :)

Thankyou for the kind words about Daisho, we are a small group, but we do our best to bring a clean, smack free fight as much as we are able.

Tortuga was a fun adventure. We came out of it ahead, but as you indicated, it was all hinged on a lot of things going a certain way and they didn't. Tortuga is not dead, the freindships and respect forged during it's battles will last a lifetime. KIA / Daisho will continue to fly together and they, along with ODD and MC will be the only perminent blues I maintain for the forseable future.

The second phase of the adventure is about to begin.. lets see where it leads us this time :)

And as was mentioned...we ask for no quarter and we give none Cool


Rod Blaine
Gallente
Evolution
Band of Brothers
Posted - 2008.05.02 16:08:00 - [89]
 

Edited by: Rod Blaine on 02/05/2008 16:10:43
Originally by: Le Mare
The world keeps spinning, the BoB propoganda machine keeps churning.

And BoB keeps winning, with our enemies burning.



Nice writeup Edzz, even if carefully worded to skew the way things went so as to not end up showing like a total failure (Tortuga), it sure beats some of the more vitriolic assesments by some of yours of the recent weeks.

How much a viewpoint can change within those few weeks eh ?
From "we'll bloody their noses no matter when or how they come for us" to *rolls over and dies without so much as a whimper*.

Pity it didn't work out, but next time maybe fail a bit more gracefully please and contain the bitterness internally as well as externally eh ?





Dendron
Gallente
Oberon Incorporated
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2008.05.02 16:17:00 - [90]
 

Respect to KIA and their buddies. Also respect to BoB, who just keep on fighting and fighting and fighting... ,resisting the forces against them. Although I always hoped and still hope BoB will loose Delve, I dont see it happening anytime soon.


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