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Ghaelsto Kakram
Minmatar
Mindgamers
Posted - 2008.05.02 11:57:00 - [31]
 

Nice writeup Eddz.

Faekurias
Caldari
Muppet Ninja's
Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
Posted - 2008.05.02 11:57:00 - [32]
 

Good stuff 8/10.

KIAEddZ
Caldari
KIA Corp
KIA Alliance
Posted - 2008.05.02 11:58:00 - [33]
 

Originally by: Valkazm
one thing though what about the KIA policy that only KIA corp gets all the loot from kills .. i know its a small matter but i mean not really boosting morale that all loot goes to once corp .. im not trying to be critical i was just shocked that it worked that way .. i have full respect for KIA ..


I am not sure why I should defend KIA on this, as the pilots within KIA know this is incorrect.

KIA Corp COLLECT all the loot, as it makes it easier to keep track of it all, get it all into same corp hangar etc etc, but at end of contracts etc, all loot is gathered in one place and one the KIA Alliance Corporations is charged with selling the loot and the money is split equally down between the Corps.

Trust within the Alliance is total, it has to be.

BobbySteelz
Caldari
Insomniacz
Posted - 2008.05.02 11:58:00 - [34]
 

Good read, write-up almost seems too nice for CAOD. Good Luck. If the north were ever a really good "Co" and worked well together, mainly with a few worthy FCs and a good plan the monkeys could have easily taken the bobbits especially with Tortuga AND Goons, I just don't see how BOB could have handled that. Pretty sure in fountainSmash and Bruce were blue to each other then and were being wasted by FCs throwing blobs into bob capital gatecamps. Just too many mistakes against bob and welp, Anyway what's the saying "almost only counts for horshoes and handgrenades" ? Neutral




Dezzereth
Gallente
Two Swords Guild
Posted - 2008.05.02 12:01:00 - [35]
 

Edited by: Dezzereth on 02/05/2008 12:01:42
Excellent write-up, Eddz. Thanks for sharing your pov and good luck with your future endeavours.


Valkazm
Amarr
Roving Guns Inc.
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2008.05.02 12:04:00 - [36]
 

Originally by: KIAEddZ
Originally by: Valkazm
one thing though what about the KIA policy that only KIA corp gets all the loot from kills .. i know its a small matter but i mean not really boosting morale that all loot goes to once corp .. im not trying to be critical i was just shocked that it worked that way .. i have full respect for KIA ..


I am not sure why I should defend KIA on this, as the pilots within KIA know this is incorrect.

KIA Corp COLLECT all the loot, as it makes it easier to keep track of it all, get it all into same corp hangar etc etc, but at end of contracts etc, all loot is gathered in one place and one the KIA Alliance Corporations is charged with selling the loot and the money is split equally down between the Corps.

Trust within the Alliance is total, it has to be.



ok thanks that for the explination that makes sence ..

Mynas Atoch
Caldari
Eternity INC.
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2008.05.02 12:08:00 - [37]
 

Edited by: Mynas Atoch on 02/05/2008 12:09:44
Good write up form you side, Eddz. Sorry it didn't work out. However, I have ANOTHER cunning plan .....

No .. wait ..come back! Wink

Seriously though, good luck with your future endeavours.


DeckardIRL
Gallente
The Randoms
Posted - 2008.05.02 12:11:00 - [38]
 

Nice Read.

The project failed but it wasn't a failure for KIA.

I am sure BoB have no hard feelings Wink

Deck

VinkNut
Gallente
Evolution
Band of Brothers
Posted - 2008.05.02 12:18:00 - [39]
 

o7

ER0X
Amarr
Eternity INC.
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2008.05.02 12:24:00 - [40]
 

Good write up Eddz.

KIA are a great bunch of guys to have had the pleasure to work with as are all that I have played alongside these past 6 months in Tortuga. It's been a pleasure.

O7.

jernej
Caldari
Destructive Influence
IT Alliance
Posted - 2008.05.02 12:25:00 - [41]
 

Edited by: jernej on 02/05/2008 12:34:20
Only things we already knew.


DerHund Erste
Gallente
Macabre Votum
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2008.05.02 12:26:00 - [42]
 

Originally by: gazthenailer
good post m8.

Nice to see people honor the fights we all are part off, instead of just smacktalk. Even when the result is not to your favor.


I know KIA this is not the end of KIA and it will be fun to see what you guys decide to do in the future.

/G




It's forum threads like this that keep me reading in this forum. Just when I think there will never be another intelligent / enlightening post, I see an Op like this.

... 'tis better to have dared greatly ...

Waagaa Ktlehr
Amarr
GeoCorp.
-Mostly Harmless-
Posted - 2008.05.02 12:31:00 - [43]
 

That was a good read.

Thanks for writing it all up.

Cadman Weyland
Amarr
Irn Bru Crew
Posted - 2008.05.02 12:34:00 - [44]
 

Edited by: Cadman Weyland on 02/05/2008 12:34:53
Lovely write up.

I left MC due to rl and missed pretty much all of the Tortuga story and all of the recent goings on in PB. Your post has filled in many of the gaps for me.

Thank you Eddz, gl on KIAs future journeys.

ps wheres the Seleene blog :)

Quebnaric Deile
Minmatar
Clown Punchers.
Clown Punchers Syndicate
Posted - 2008.05.02 12:34:00 - [45]
 

Best post in CAOD in a long time. Good read, even for someone who was never involved and didn't know anything about it.

Shivalla
Gallente
Financial Removal
THE SPACE P0LICE
Posted - 2008.05.02 12:34:00 - [46]
 

Originally by: jernej
Goodbye!




Oh dear... I can feel the burn...

:D

I wonder who was wrong.

Ask Unbeatable
Gallente
Krazny Oktyabr Revolyutsiya
Posted - 2008.05.02 12:36:00 - [47]
 

Good luck with whatever o/ No shame in being beaten by the best Razz

xeom
Minmatar
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2008.05.02 12:51:00 - [48]
 

Originally by: Shivalla
Originally by: jernej
Goodbye!




Oh dear... I can feel the burn...

:D

I wonder who was wrong.


Wonder if now is a good time to post about someone claiming th.. are no goons.

Everyone makes claims, not all are true.

Then again, BOB have been ridiculed enough for that one already.

So I guess you guys can enjoy this moment too

V8i Theo
Caldari
Evolution
IT Alliance
Posted - 2008.05.02 12:52:00 - [49]
 

I remain amused by those who thought they knew the mood of BOB and its allies through these last few months. Contrary to what you think,....our morale was always high, we were never down, and we were never out.

The End Game has shown this to be true. In real life and in game, treachery begets treachery. You reap what you sow eh?

All the best,
Theo

Hobblah
Caldari
Gradient
Electus Matari
Posted - 2008.05.02 12:54:00 - [50]
 

Good write up and good luck.

Shame that BoB pilots feel then ned to smack such thread.

-Hobblah

P.S. I'm proud that I was there when Tortuga took the PB. POS warfare just is not for me though.

Scavok
Caldari
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2008.05.02 12:59:00 - [51]
 

Edited by: Scavok on 02/05/2008 13:00:33
Originally by: KIAEddZ

The basis of what went wrong is very simple. BoB.

BoB used the epic betrayal, and the leadership made it something it wasn't. They needed it, they needed the spark, and through clever management of people and PR, BoB now are stronger than they ever were.

Gratz to them, I mentioned a quiet admiration for them, and it is mainly because they achieved what no one gave them hope of doing, they stood on the threshold of death, and brought it all the way back.

All the credit cannot go to only them of course, their enemies through inner fighting let them slip through the net when it should of been closed, the coalition wasn't very "co-", much more ego, and MC let it all get on top of them.



BoB was strong before they left Catch to go to PB. They had an initial surge in numbers when they were convinced they were going to get an epic capital fight out of you, but then their numbers dwindled back down to nothing more than what GS and IAC were fighting in Catch. BoB really didn't get noticeably much stronger until during and after NOL.

There also really wasn't any coalition infighting. There were certainly some moments that were fun, but overall the fighting in Delve was just a lagfest that usually didn't go our way. It's hard to upset with other alliances for not showing up for that crap when they live on the other side of the universe with absolutely nothing of their own at stake. Pretty much all standings resets in the coalition were on good terms.

The only two entities that I think people were upset about were BRUCE and Tortuga. Both of them took their space without significant resistance (sans y-2, but even that I think was mostly done by northern guys) thanks to GS and Razor going straight to Delve after a month of 2-3x daily POS ops in Catch in Querious. They both had the most at stake being neighbors with BoB; everyone that was fighting in Delve had nothing immediately at stake and were keeping two large freeloading alliances alive. They both also had a HUGE amount of potential, but instead they just carebeared or even took "contracts" while things were getting ugly in Delve. Neither of these groups would be where they are now if they had put some serious effort into helping the coalition when they had the chance.

Doctor Oda
Minmatar
Secret Squirrel Readiness Group
Wildly Inappropriate.
Posted - 2008.05.02 13:00:00 - [52]
 

Originally by: Hobblah
Good write up and good luck.

Shame that BoB pilots feel then ned to smack such thread.

-Hobblah

P.S. I'm proud that I was there when Tortuga took the PB. POS warfare just is not for me though.


labels are just so unfair, I feel all sad now.

But, the fact your proud about helping take PB, does this have anything to do with the pathetic statment that details the hostile forces pulling out of the fight till BOB where pre-occupied in Delve so as not to risk loosing ships in real PVP wile taking space?

For the record, I aint smacked in this thread yet even though I have a rather open disslike for eddz.

Dark Warrior
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2008.05.02 13:00:00 - [53]
 

While it's nice of you to call MC what they are - traitors, one has to wonder if you freely shared this opinion during the first successful months of co-existance as well. Or are you doing that only because that "Renowned Mercenary Corp" ended up failure-cascading on such a massive scale?

Maybe that's a part of the reason why the first line of your essay contains a semi-apology for writing it in the first place.

Still, don't think many people in BoB will have any hard feelings towards your Alliance. Good luck I guess...

JamZzZor
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2008.05.02 13:02:00 - [54]
 

Originally by: Scavok
Edited by: Scavok on 02/05/2008 13:00:33
Originally by: KIAEddZ

The basis of what went wrong is very simple. BoB.

BoB used the epic betrayal, and the leadership made it something it wasn't. They needed it, they needed the spark, and through clever management of people and PR, BoB now are stronger than they ever were.

Gratz to them, I mentioned a quiet admiration for them, and it is mainly because they achieved what no one gave them hope of doing, they stood on the threshold of death, and brought it all the way back.

All the credit cannot go to only them of course, their enemies through inner fighting let them slip through the net when it should of been closed, the coalition wasn't very "co-", much more ego, and MC let it all get on top of them.



BoB was strong before they left Catch to go to PB. They had an initial surge in numbers when they were convinced they were going to get an epic capital fight out of you, but then their numbers dwindled back down to nothing more than what GS and IAC were fighting in Catch. BoB really didn't get noticeably much stronger until during and after NOL.

There also really wasn't any coalition infighting. There were certainly some moments that were fun, but overall the fighting in Delve was just a lagfest that usually didn't go our way. It's hard to upset with other alliances for not showing up for that crap when they live on the other side of the universe with absolutely nothing of their own at stake. Pretty much all standings resets in the coalition were on good terms.

The only two entities that I think people were upset about were BRUCE and Tortuga. Both of them took their space without significant resistance (sans y-2, but even that I think was mostly done by northern guys) thanks to GS and Razor going straight to Delve after a month of 2-3x daily POS ops in Catch in Querious. They both had the most at stake being neighbors with BoB; everyone that was fighting in Delve had nothing immediately at stake and were keeping two large freeloading alliances alive. They both also had a HUGE amount of potential, but instead they just carebeared or even took "contracts" while things were getting ugly in Delve. Neither of these groups would be where they are now if they had put some serious effort into helping the coalition when they had the chance.


a doubble helping of bitterness please bar man,

Scavok
Caldari
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2008.05.02 13:05:00 - [55]
 

I was bitter, but sitting back and watching them die horribly certainly helps with that quite a bit Smile

Little Zandra
Minmatar
SUNDERING
Zenith Affinity
Posted - 2008.05.02 13:24:00 - [56]
 

nice writeup and i wish you the best of luck in your future endevors

Henky
Caldari
Research And Development Enterprises
Posted - 2008.05.02 13:34:00 - [57]
 

Edited by: Henky on 02/05/2008 13:41:29
Originally by: Scavok

but instead they just carebeared or even took "contracts" while things were getting ugly in Delve. Neither of these groups would be where they are now if they had put some serious effort into helping the coalition when they had the chance.


Funny statement coming from a RA member, who basicly fcked off the moment they took BoB's Dyspo/Prom moons.
Not to mention your alliance actualy split up because of it, KarmaQuestion

Gryffindor
Gallente
Domination.
Sc0rched Earth
Posted - 2008.05.02 13:36:00 - [58]
 

Actually a very good read, sitting here at work and had a very good and fun story to pass the day! Good write up and yeh i would say it was as unbiased as you could get, nice one and keep up the good work, have known KIA for some time and i think they are mostly a fantastic bunch of guys!

Looks liek you have had to ride a lot of rough but its always fun on the big pile of cash u got now, hehe.

Big love to Imperius Blackheart my one true love.

sakana
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2008.05.02 13:39:00 - [59]
 

I always preferred:

"If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear." - Orwell.


Shinigami
Gallente
Shinra
Posted - 2008.05.02 13:42:00 - [60]
 

I would like to request the one line summary.


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