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Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente
Posted - 2008.05.01 14:21:00 - [1]
 

Some unknown individual is extorting me through the following mail:

Quote:

2008.05.01 14:03
Well,well,
This is something which wasn't in the GH-SC file I offered you but interesting none the less.Ank is using her alt to post support in the jita park section.I know this to be Ank because she biomassed Valeris 2 nights ago and installed Hotep as CEO.I have both in my Addy book.
We are playing a new game now-It's called extortion!
Send this character 1 billion Isk within 24 hours or I sell this info to GH-SC and Doonaa and her Troll friends .I'm sure they would love ruin your big day and waste all the time you spent on your video.Not to mention what the rest of the forum users would think or the other CSM candidates.
24 hours before I sell it and eat popcorn as I watch your thread torpedoed,erupt into chaos.,and your chance of election drop.
So 1 billion or I pass this info on to GHSC,Doonaa and the trolls,any merc corps who may be interested in knowing your secret identity.You have my word this will not happen if I recieve the Isk

24 hours Ladies and Gents


Yeah, Hotep Shakkara is my alt and here are the things I posted with it:
http://eve-search.com/search/author/hotep%20shakkara

I recycled Valeris because I needed to take the "Eva Jobse" name in order to avoid scammers abusing it.

Boo hoo, I posted once in my own thread. I'm such bad person now. Laughing

LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
Posted - 2008.05.01 14:25:00 - [2]
 

Why can't you keep this to just 1 thread?

Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente
Posted - 2008.05.01 14:27:00 - [3]
 

Because it might derail it, especially when Doonoo and her band of trolls arrive later this evening, and it's not related to the movie at all.

LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
Posted - 2008.05.01 14:30:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
Because it might derail it, especially when Doonoo and her band of trolls arrive later this evening, and it's not related to the movie at all.

As you will notice, all other candidates have one thread, prefixed with [CSM Candidate], where we post all relevant information.

Why don't you do that? That is what CCP told us to do, in order to keep the forums clean. Let's not ruin it with posting all these funny evemails in separate thread.

I mean, I don't go and post all that threats I get. Hell, i even get blackmailed, but I don't post them.

Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente
Posted - 2008.05.01 14:37:00 - [5]
 

Edited by: Ankhesentapemkah on 01/05/2008 14:38:23
I'm sorry, but CCP told us nothing of the sort.

They said "At this time we ask that all posts regarding the CSM and campaigning are kept in this forum channel."

and they said we would get one thread linked to from the stickied one. Not that we may only post one thread. To avoid the thread being cluttered with off-topic content, I post this seperate one. *shrugs*

And this definately isn't the first and only threat or extortion I got, if I would post them all I'd need a seperate forum too. However, with this one I made a slip, so I decided to come forward with it myself before they would do. Besides this one, I have nothing to hide, so there will not be any more threads like this. Razz

Hardin
Amarr
Imperial Dreams
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
Posted - 2008.05.01 14:51:00 - [6]
 

Well extortion is very lame ass and you have done the right thing not giving in to it

But were you in your right mind when you decided to create an alt to big yourself up?

I looked at Hoteps posting record.

1) I am going to vote for Ankh Shocked
2) I am going to use my alt to make Goumindong look bad without implicating my main Shocked
3) Neutral
4) Ankh's video is great Shocked

Particularly ironic when you raise the issue of trust and 'scammers' in your video.

Obviously, this is EVE so we have to expect this sort of behaviour but it really doesn't look that good from a candidate for CSM Embarassed

Of course maybe this is all just a stunt to generate more publicity...



Wu Jiun
State War Academy
Posted - 2008.05.01 14:51:00 - [7]
 

So basically you lecture other people for using alts to ask your integrity instead of their mains. And then you go make yourself an alt and post support for your own campaign? (twice btw! count again) Class act!

And no you don't look like a bad person now. More like a hypocrite tbh.

Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente
Posted - 2008.05.01 15:02:00 - [8]
 

To be completely honest, it was because of frustration because my supporters were slow to reply to the thread and because I was worried that the opposing troll party would start spamming during the first few comments.

As you might have noticed, a lot of my threads get spammed by Doonoo and her gang of NPC corp troll alts. I posted a positive comment in an attempt to thwart her.

Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente
Posted - 2008.05.01 15:09:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Serenity Steele

A) How do you justify your behaviour as acceptable on the forums for a CSM election, when your video states credentials as "a community moderator for a large nation states"?


See above.

Originally by: Serenity Steele
B) Did you learn this behaviour while moderating, or was there another motivation for it?

See above.

And I learned it from Doonoo and her NPC corp troll gang, who were very succesful in ruining and derailing my threads so far.

Originally by: Serenity Steele
C) Why didn't you ask another friend in EVE to comment on your video?

Because they either were not online despite them promising to be, or were taking way too long. Want it done right, do it yourself, is what I thought at that point.

Serenity Steele
Dynamic Data Distribution
Posted - 2008.05.01 15:10:00 - [10]
 

Reposted from here as you requested Ankhesentapemkah:

Originally by: Serenity Steele

Question for you Ankhesentapemkah:
Given you've been forced to admit to posting with an alt to promote this thread:

A) How do you justify your behaviour as acceptable on the forums for a CSM election, when your video states credentials as "a community moderator for a large nation states"?

B) Did you learn this behaviour while moderating, or was there another motivation for it?

C) Why didn't you ask another friend in EVE to comment on your video?



You've already answered question C - frust. Please answer A) & B)

Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente
Posted - 2008.05.01 15:15:00 - [11]
 

Hmm anything specific I haven't adressed yet in the post above yours? Please repost the question if you don't think I have answered it properly.

Doonoo Boonoo
Posted - 2008.05.01 15:53:00 - [12]
 

Edited by: Doonoo Boonoo on 01/05/2008 16:00:55
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah


Boo hoo, I posted once in my own thread. I'm such bad person now. Laughing


This is no laughing matter.

Yet again you break the principles of what your campaign is based on.You will say and do anything to win.I would say this has been Proven beyond any doubt.Fail.

btw your thread was NOT going slow.You posted with you Alt minutes after the previous posters.So lies.

Hardin
Amarr
Imperial Dreams
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
Posted - 2008.05.01 15:53:00 - [13]
 

TBH I really don't think you have answered Serenity's question - particularly this one:

Quote:
A) How do you justify your behaviour as acceptable on the forums for a CSM election, when your video states credentials as "a community moderator for a large nation states"?


Just because you are being criticised (or because you real supporters aren't fast enough to give your video kudos) is not a reason to create an alt to give people the impression that you have more support than you actually do (or even hide behind it to attack other candidates).

Certainly Guomindong is not part of this anti-Ankh conspiracy so why you chose to use your alt to have a dig at him is very questionable.

Of course this is EVE and we have to expect some people to play dirty to get elected but as has already been pointed out you really shouldn't have made TRUST such an important plank of your video because now you have succeeded in making yourself look very foolish.

As Serenity pointed out - did you really learn such tactics from your time as a 'community manager'? If you did then that community must certainly have been very interesting! Smile

Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente
Posted - 2008.05.01 16:04:00 - [14]
 

Edited by: Ankhesentapemkah on 01/05/2008 16:05:01
Originally by: Hardin
TBH I really don't think you have answered Serenity's question - particularly this one:

Quote:
A) How do you justify your behaviour as acceptable on the forums for a CSM election, when your video states credentials as "a community moderator for a large nation states"?


Just because you are being criticised (or because you real supporters aren't fast enough to give your video kudos) is not a reason to create an alt to give people the impression that you have more support than you actually do (or even hide behind it to attack other candidates).

Certainly Guomindong is not part of this anti-Ankh conspiracy so why you chose to use your alt to have a dig at him is very questionable.

Of course this is EVE and we have to expect some people to play dirty to get elected but as has already been pointed out you really shouldn't have made TRUST such an important plank of your video because now you have succeeded in making yourself look very foolish.

As Serenity pointed out - did you really learn such tactics from your time as a 'community manager'? If you did then that community must certainly have been very interesting! Smile


No Hardin, I learned it from the person above you.

As for trust, I could have buried this little slip up and most likely have gotten away with it. Recycle the char, or just deny it belonging to me, as there wasn't that much to tie me to it, and any accusations would probably just come from Doonoo, who doesn't have any credibility in the first place. It'd probably have been the 'smartest' thing to do.

However, if I did that, I would have been lying if someone asked about it. And if there's one thing I do not do, it's lying. That's why I did not bury it and admitted it instead.

And no, me having been an Administrator of a Nationstates forum has nothing to do with it. I can say though, that I did undertake a lot more action towards trolls like Doonoo than CCP is doing on these forums, which is regrettable.

The question is though, who is Doonoo and her gang of trolls working for?

Esmenet
Gallente
Posted - 2008.05.01 16:14:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Hardin
TBH I really don't think you have answered Serenity's question - particularly this one:

Quote:
A) How do you justify your behaviour as acceptable on the forums for a CSM election, when your video states credentials as "a community moderator for a large nation states"?


Just because you are being criticised (or because you real supporters aren't fast enough to give your video kudos) is not a reason to create an alt to give people the impression that you have more support than you actually do (or even hide behind it to attack other candidates).

Certainly Guomindong is not part of this anti-Ankh conspiracy so why you chose to use your alt to have a dig at him is very questionable.

Of course this is EVE and we have to expect some people to play dirty to get elected but as has already been pointed out you really shouldn't have made TRUST such an important plank of your video because now you have succeeded in making yourself look very foolish.

As Serenity pointed out - did you really learn such tactics from your time as a 'community manager'? If you did then that community must certainly have been very interesting! Smile


How many of the other "supporters" that follow her around in every thread calling everyone that disagrees with her for trolls, are actually alts of ankh?

Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente
Posted - 2008.05.01 16:24:00 - [16]
 

Edited by: Ankhesentapemkah on 01/05/2008 16:28:16
None. I have one account, and the characters on that are Ankhesentapemkah, Eva Jobse, and Hotep Shakkara.

Now that I've played open, I ask you who is behind the following characters:

Doonoo Boonoo
Esmenet
Dkorg
Trathen
Hadoken 1 and spelling variants of that one.

And how about Mileni, she might be corp holder alt of MongWen, which happens to be a CSM candidate also.

Mileni
AntiMacro Decimation
Posted - 2008.05.01 16:39:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah

And how about Mileni, she might be corp holder alt of MongWen, which happens to be a CSM candidate also.


LOL. Not likely. Norway != USA. Try ingame lookups sometime when you bother to log in. Thanks for the comment though.

MongWen
Xeno Tech Corp
Self Destruct.
Posted - 2008.05.01 16:44:00 - [18]
 

First of I applaud that you came out with your alts.

Second I am not tied to any of the chars names you have listed…

Third Mileni is not my alt has never been and will never be in my in my control. The owner of Mileni is a alliance member (that Lives in the US).

As a side note I have to agree to Hardin’s last post

Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente
Posted - 2008.05.01 16:56:00 - [19]
 

Okay. Thank you MongWen and Mileni for replying. I apologize for the accusation.

And I know that you do not have anything to do with the other characters I listed, I never intended to imply that.

Camaro
Gallente
Xeno Tech Corp
Vanguard Imperium
Posted - 2008.05.01 16:59:00 - [20]
 

I have to vouch for Mileni and Mongwen, that they are NOT the same person, nor the same account.

Kindly regards

Camaro

Cailais
Amarr
Nasty Pope Holding Corp
Talocan United
Posted - 2008.05.01 17:04:00 - [21]
 

Well this is certainly an interesting, if not unexpected, development which probably tells us more about voting / internet anonymity than anything else.

I think the question that many voters will now be asking is wether Anke' has the resilience to be a CSM member if resorting to such policies is a result of targeted trolling by other players.

This is a subject I brought up some time ago regarding the vulnerability of CSM candidates to external pressure as a result of campaigning off the back of their Avatar names and the disturbing link to 'in game' personas and the real life player behind them.

C.

Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente
Posted - 2008.05.01 17:17:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Cailais
Well this is certainly an interesting, if not unexpected, development which probably tells us more about voting / internet anonymity than anything else.

I think the question that many voters will now be asking is wether Anke' has the resilience to be a CSM member if resorting to such policies is a result of targeted trolling by other players.

I suppose this is true to a degree. On the other hand, they can also see a positive side of me: that when put in a difficult situation, I'll choose honesty and integrity instead of using lies and other tactics to get away with it, which I easily could have done by recycling the character, plain denial, paying the transfer fee to get the char to another account, etc, etc.

It also shows that I will not be blackmailed and that my decissions will be those that are good for the game, and I will not lose that vision even if my ego suffers a dent because of it.

Originally by: Cailais
This is a subject I brought up some time ago regarding the vulnerability of CSM candidates to external pressure as a result of campaigning off the back of their Avatar names and the disturbing link to 'in game' personas and the real life player behind them.

Definately interesting issues, yes.

Ethaet
Gallente
Aliastra
Posted - 2008.05.01 17:20:00 - [23]
 

To be honest, maybe we should be asking why so many people are using alts to troll anything Ankh posts? I don't see the problem in posting with an alt to keep support up in a thread when other CSM candidates (I certainly have suspicions about who but this isn't the place) use alts for trolling other candidates.

Rakshasa Taisab
Caldari
Sane Industries Inc.
Posted - 2008.05.01 17:29:00 - [24]
 

Why do I get the suspicion that Ank made up that threat?... Either way it's a win. ;)

Cailais
Amarr
Nasty Pope Holding Corp
Talocan United
Posted - 2008.05.01 17:32:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
Originally by: Cailais
Well this is certainly an interesting, if not unexpected, development which probably tells us more about voting / internet anonymity than anything else.

I think the question that many voters will now be asking is wether Anke' has the resilience to be a CSM member if resorting to such policies is a result of targeted trolling by other players.

I suppose this is true to a degree. On the other hand, they can also see a positive side of me: that when put in a difficult situation, I'll choose honesty and integrity instead of using lies and other tactics to get away with it, which I easily could have done by recycling the character, plain denial, paying the transfer fee to get the char to another account, etc, etc.

It also shows that I will not be blackmailed and that my decissions will be those that are good for the game, and I will not lose that vision even if my ego suffers a dent because of it.

Originally by: Cailais
This is a subject I brought up some time ago regarding the vulnerability of CSM candidates to external pressure as a result of campaigning off the back of their Avatar names and the disturbing link to 'in game' personas and the real life player behind them.

Definately interesting issues, yes.


Perhaps, although when faced with a difficult situation (heavy trolling) you chose to pre-empt this problem by using an alternate character with the intention of misleading the general public.

You've gone someway to mitigating this by coming out openly to say you had been placed in a position of extortion - sadly there's now no way of telling if you would have ever revealed your alt had the extortion not been applied.

I appreciate that this CSM process is not an easy one for any of the candidates and that the more 'extreme' their views are the harder it gets. Your views are clearly at odds with a certain portion of the community - although this may not be a bad thing as you may add a alternative view to CCP; perhaps even a minority view.

Wether you will be able to overcome the question that now overhangs your integrity will ulitmately be up to the voters to decide.

C.


Max Torps
Nomadic Conglomerate
Posted - 2008.05.01 17:34:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Ethaet
To be honest, maybe we should be asking why so many people are using alts to troll anything Ankh posts? I don't see the problem in posting with an alt to keep support up in a thread when other CSM candidates (I certainly have suspicions about who but this isn't the place) use alts for trolling other candidates.


As a candidate, I'd like to know who too. I'm sure voters deserve to find out as well.

Ankh, I think it's pretty bad that you were being extorted but also think it bad that you felt that you had to big yourself up a bit on the forums. I wonder who else is doing that if anyone?

LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
Posted - 2008.05.01 17:50:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: Max Torps
Originally by: Ethaet
To be honest, maybe we should be asking why so many people are using alts to troll anything Ankh posts? I don't see the problem in posting with an alt to keep support up in a thread when other CSM candidates (I certainly have suspicions about who but this isn't the place) use alts for trolling other candidates.


As a candidate, I'd like to know who too. I'm sure voters deserve to find out as well.

Ankh, I think it's pretty bad that you were being extorted but also think it bad that you felt that you had to big yourself up a bit on the forums. I wonder who else is doing that if anyone?

I have a hard time imagining that it is a candidate, who would do that kind of stuff.

But if it is the case, they don't deserve a position on CSM.

Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2008.05.01 17:57:00 - [28]
 


I'm going to give you one piece of advise Ank and you can take it or not. I enjoyed your video, you seemed a very pleasant person when we chatted on vent the other night with the other candidates who went to Revan's event also. But what you need to learn is how to ignore "trolling". You aren't obligated to respond to each and every post and you can simply ignore people if you consider their whole game plan is to wind you up and derail your campaign message.

Stick to your issues, speak your piece, be who you are. Don't play the game that trolls want you to play and don't get drawn into petty dog-fighting. I think its much more important in this CSM election to remain positive and friendly and just demonstrate your own personal credentials than to attack others and get drawn into flamewars. As Candidates we are going to have to work with each other if we get elected. Lets make an effort to keep the discussion sensible and remain focused on the real issues facing Eve today.


Luna Elise
Posted - 2008.05.01 18:04:00 - [29]
 

Why all of a sudden posting with alts have become horrifically wrong? Don't you all remember you have done that in the past at any given point you needed anonymousness?

Like Jesus once said:
"Let the person who has never broken God's Law throw the first stone at her."

Dealing with trolling alts from other candidates isn't an easy task. If you expect anyone not to use an alt to protect themselves from retaliation, please rethink your expectations about other people. Cool

Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente
Posted - 2008.05.01 18:08:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: Jade Constantine

I'm going to give you one piece of advise Ank and you can take it or not. I enjoyed your video, you seemed a very pleasant person when we chatted on vent the other night with the other candidates who went to Revan's event also. But what you need to learn is how to ignore "trolling". You aren't obligated to respond to each and every post and you can simply ignore people if you consider their whole game plan is to wind you up and derail your campaign message.

I tried that, but then they bring out yet another troll alt (they usually come with 3-5 at once), and post things such as "see, Ankh is not replying to legitimate player questions, she's dodging the issues, and will make a bad CSM because she ignores the people, she'll be a great politician". So far I haven't found out how to deal with them if they play that card.

I absolutely agree with your point in principle, though.

Originally by: Jade Constantine

Stick to your issues, speak your piece, be who you are. Don't play the game that trolls want you to play and don't get drawn into petty dog-fighting. I think its much more important in this CSM election to remain positive and friendly and just demonstrate your own personal credentials than to attack others and get drawn into flamewars. As Candidates we are going to have to work with each other if we get elected. Lets make an effort to keep the discussion sensible and remain focused on the real issues facing Eve today.

I definately intend to do that. As I said in the other thread, the CSM candidates I spoke with so far are definately people I look forward to working with!

Thank you for your post, Jade Constantine. Smile


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