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Ray McCormack
Nordar Innovations.
Posted - 2008.04.29 08:24:00 - [1]
 

Will CCP be releasing a verified list of candidates' alternative character names across all accounts?

LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
Posted - 2008.04.29 08:33:00 - [2]
 

I'd happily list all my characters. But i doubt CCP will list not verify them, due to their privacy policy.

zoolkhan
Minmatar
Mirkur Draug'Tyr
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2008.04.29 08:42:00 - [3]
 

Edited by: zoolkhan on 29/04/2008 08:44:38
Originally by: Ray McCormack
Will CCP be releasing a verified list of candidates' alternative character names across all accounts?



Ok, i will probably lose popularity point by asking this,
eventhough ill not hide behind an alt:

a)
what would be the added value of this except optentially destroying the Candidates
ingame experience already before the vote?

b) some of us have several accounts, how deep do you want to dig?

c) what do you expect to find?


example from a CSM POV:
Ingame i might be a cap pilot and my alts help me with logistics, cynofields etc
and one could assume that a CSM would appreciate if the ingame enemy finds out about this
by fair and conventional means.


LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
Posted - 2008.04.29 08:49:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: zoolkhan
Edited by: zoolkhan on 29/04/2008 08:44:38
Originally by: Ray McCormack
Will CCP be releasing a verified list of candidates' alternative character names across all accounts?



Ok, i will probably lose popularity point by asking this,
eventhough ill not hide behind an alt:

a)
what would be the added value of this except optentially destroying the Candidates
ingame experience already before the vote?

b) some of us have several accounts, how deep do you want to dig?

c) what do you expect to find?


example from a CSM POV:
Ingame i might be a cap pilot and my alts help me with logistics, cynofields etc
and one could assume that a CSM would appreciate if the ingame enemy finds out about this
by fair and conventional means.



I agree to a large degree. Some people will make themself vulnerable by revealing alts.

Personally i have a pvp character(Templer Relleg), CEO Alt(LaVista CEO), EBank Alt(EBank LaVista), research alts(Ly, le, livista vista), a hauling alt which is being deleted now, in order to make more research characters, because lavista can fly a hauler now.

I'm known as Chadk other places on the internet, "Chadk" was my first trial account. Chaddy is a character of mine, but i haven't played it for a long time.

So i have nothing to hide. But i fully understand if people don't want to release this information, and i fully respect it.

Daveydweeb
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2008.04.29 09:07:00 - [5]
 

The three characters I use most often are called Daveydweeb, Dannie Trejo and MahFreightah.

LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
Posted - 2008.04.29 09:09:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Daveydweeb
MahFreightah.

I lol'ed a bit in real life.

You can say a lot about the goons. But they are very creative! Very Happy

Ray McCormack
Nordar Innovations.
Posted - 2008.04.29 09:41:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: zoolkhan
a) what would be the added value of this except optentially destroying the Candidates
ingame experience already before the vote?
You are representing the community as a person, and we need to judge you on that basis. Simply taking the actions of one character in a multi-character game is not a good enough measure of someone's worthiness as a community representative.

Originally by: zoolkhan
b) some of us have several accounts, how deep do you want to dig?
I want to know all your characters from all your accounts, which is why I would like CCP to provide and/or verify the list. I would even go as far as requesting CCP to list the names of any character you have owned in the past.

Originally by: zoolkhan
c) what do you expect to find?
I hope to find nothing, but I expect a few worms to crawl out of the woodwork.

I can appreciate the example you provided of how this could ruin a candidates gameplay, but honestly the pros outweigh the cons here. Far more damage can be caused by an unworthy candidate being accepted onto the council than by your enemies having a list of your alternative characters.

Granted this runs a little deeper than at first glance, but that is exactly why I want this list revealed.

Daveydweeb
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2008.04.29 09:44:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: LaVista Vista
Originally by: Daveydweeb
MahFreightah.

I lol'ed a bit in real life.

You can say a lot about the goons. But they are very creative! Very Happy


It's a pretty good in-joke, too. :3

LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
Posted - 2008.04.29 09:50:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Daveydweeb
Originally by: LaVista Vista
Originally by: Daveydweeb
MahFreightah.

I lol'ed a bit in real life.

You can say a lot about the goons. But they are very creative! Very Happy


It's a pretty good in-joke, too. :3


I could imagine.. On ventrilo: "Please don't shoot maaah freigtah!!!11!!111!".

Daveydweeb
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2008.04.29 09:55:00 - [10]
 

Actually, it was suas, so quite the opposite.

zoolkhan
Minmatar
Mirkur Draug'Tyr
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2008.04.29 11:54:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Ray McCormack
Originally by: zoolkhan
a) what would be the added value of this except optentially destroying the Candidates
ingame experience already before the vote?
You are representing the community as a person, and we need to judge you on that basis.

...

Far more damage can be caused by an unworthy candidate being accepted onto the council than by your enemies having a list of your alternative characters.



i disagree

a) we are not crimals be brought in front of a tribunal
b) we have very little benefits from doing this, the danger of corruption is low
the personal effort and investment too high for doing something bad imo.
Nobody would waste so much time energy and personal life just for having a laugh at somebodys expense.
c) if ccp would give in, they would have failed to announce it in time - which was
before application phase for CSM, when the conditions have been set and the candidates have agreed to those and started to scan their passworts - now its too late, one cannot
change the rules of a game after it has begun.

"1:0 for arsenal, no wait .. the judge walks on the field, he announces a new rule.
the goal is not valid unless the goalkeeper admist beeing atheist!"


d) i would expect the benefit of the doubt

but most of all:

e) one should judge us by our RL actions, and they are yet to come,
and not be distracted too much from ingame
stuff.

if someone would approach me in private, and requests to know
more about me, i would like to have the ability to decide on a case to case bases whom i
as a candidate but also as a player can trust and whom not.

Well this is my 2 cents, and you yet have to name a proper expample for what your reason behind this is. .. other than.. unspecified dangers.

I am still eager to learn of what dangers it is youre fearing, that would not be compensated automatically by a 9 heads council with most different folks sitting in it from most different
directions.

... and the brain that CCP has - the existence of a council doesnt mean they do follow every bad advise that could possibly result from the council of mordor that is not disclosing its alts. YARRRR!!


Hardin
Amarr
Imperial Dreams
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
Posted - 2008.04.29 13:35:00 - [12]
 

I have already listed them on my blog but for the sake of public record:

Hardin
Siobhan
Gaint Killler

Jade Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
Posted - 2008.04.29 14:15:00 - [13]
 

Edited by: Jade Constantine on 29/04/2008 14:16:36

Originally by: Ray McCormack
Will CCP be releasing a verified list of candidates' alternative character names across all accounts?



No I don't think CCP will be doing this. And for the record I agree with Zoolkan. Its nobody's business really. CCP have already done due diligence in checking RL identity, passport and location data, and ensured candidates have a clean record to run.


Ray McCormack
Nordar Innovations.
Posted - 2008.04.29 14:29:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: zoolkhan
and you yet have to name a proper expample for what your reason behind this is. .. other than.. unspecified dangers.

It's not really about that. I need to make a judgement on your character from a very limited amount of information. I cannot exactly send a private investigator after you to delve into your personal affairs. The only recourse I have to assessing you as a person are your replies on this forum and your activities within a virtual universe.

CCP have the ability to supply me with that information about you, and rather than me needing to convince you it is the correct thing to release that information, you should be convincing me of the evils of doing so.

Arguing from a privacy aspect is ludicrous when you have supplied your country of residence and full name.

Arguing there will be a diminished gameplay experience for you also doesn't float.

Asking us to judge you on your RL actions and give you the benefit of the doubt could effectively turn this first election into a wasted vote, and any subsequent vote for a first-time candidate. We cannot judge you on your RL actions, so we need to be provided with the next best thing.

Ray McCormack
Nordar Innovations.
Posted - 2008.04.29 14:33:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Jade Constantine
Originally by: Ray McCormack
Will CCP be releasing a verified list of candidates' alternative character names across all accounts?



No I don't think CCP will be doing this. And for the record I agree with Zoolkan. Its nobody's business really. CCP have already done due diligence in checking RL identity, passport and location data, and ensured candidates have a clean record to run.

You're misinterpreting my reasons for wanting this information. To put it bluntly, I do not care about the crazies, that is CCP's concern. And you are correct, I'm sure they have done their part and will continue to do so by putting procedures in place to deal with any potential nasty situations.

I want this for one reason and one reason alone, to judge your character by having your actions on all characters across all accounts brought into focus. That dictates the only reasonable way in which way can interpret your character as a person.

It is my business, it should be everyone's. We are not voting for a forum personality or famous character. We are voting for a person, and we deserve the right to see their ingame roles in an entirety.

zoolkhan
Minmatar
Mirkur Draug'Tyr
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2008.04.29 14:52:00 - [16]
 

i rest my case. thank you for taking the time to respond.

Goumindong
SniggWaffe
Posted - 2008.04.29 16:15:00 - [17]
 

I have only my main, "Goumindong" a market alt "Loany" and a throw-away alt that may be used to haul stuff around empire. They are all on the same account

Nickaelhoop
Minmatar
Concordance Extraction Corporation
Posted - 2008.04.29 16:26:00 - [18]
 

I just have the one account and the three characters on it:

My Main: Nickaelhoop
A Refiner until I get my skill up: Imitai Verone
and for the same reasons above, a trader: Garofalo

SencneS
Rebellion Against Big Irreversible Dinks
Posted - 2008.04.29 16:49:00 - [19]
 

I don't think it's much to ask for Alt names.

Think of it this way, I as a voter and not going to vote for a person who personally scammed a few hundred mil from me. Why should I? If one of the alts did something in game I didn't like I really don't want to reward that person by voting for them in something that can really effect the game.

Anyone that says "That's wrong" is only fooling to themselves. If I was running for CSM and went around suicide ganking Haulers, destroying barges, scamming people all over the place and being a general a-hole in game. Would I expect people to vote for me if they knew who I was?

So I don't think it's much to ask for alts. The only people it will effect is the people that use their alts to be a-holes in game.

Arithron
Gallente
Gallente Trade Alliance
Posted - 2008.04.29 18:47:00 - [20]
 

I already released these names before into the public domain on another thread:

Arithron (Main)
Antarre (sales and aquisitions fella)
Sharyn Swallows (entertainment and telemarketing)

Take care,
Bruce Hansen

Arithron
Gallente
Gallente Trade Alliance
Posted - 2008.04.29 18:47:00 - [21]
 

Edited by: Arithron on 29/04/2008 18:48:06
By some weird turn of events, the above post ended up double posting...sorry bout that!

MongWen
Xeno Tech Corp
Self Destruct.
Posted - 2008.04.29 18:59:00 - [22]
 

Though I donít really see the need to give out that kind of information, and I donít need to.

But since I donít have anything to hide:
Bolla: my builder T1 and T2 (form invention)
MaD Pirate: retired suicide alt that now acts as my back alt.
+ 3 Noob alts used to look up market prices and scouts

Serenity Steele
Dynamic Data Distribution
Posted - 2008.04.29 23:28:00 - [23]
 

I'm with Zoolkhan and Jade Constantine on this one.IMO it's simply not relevant. I'm not revealing the name of my exotic dancer or slaver hound either.

I'd just like to clear my name anyway by adding that my alts are:
Mynas Atoch
SirMolle
Butterdog
LilianKhan

I hope managed to offend a few people by failing to list their names. Wink

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2008.04.30 02:40:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Ray McCormack
Will CCP be releasing a verified list of candidates' alternative character names across all accounts?


Since the CSM application process said that you can even create a brand new character in order to run for CSM, I seriously doubt CCP would ever do that (expose any alts you might have), and I doubt they would ever certify that all "alt" characters belong to the same real person.
On the flipside, they WILL be publishing your real name, picture and so on and so forth.
Sounds weird ? Maybe it is. But that's how things are.


Feel free to not vote for candidates that refuse to post all alts, feel free to believe all alts a person has are the ones he listed, feel free to do anything like that... but never expect CCP to tell you "character xxx is owned by ABC, and so are characters yyy, zzz, etc"

LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
Posted - 2008.04.30 03:48:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Serenity Steele

LilianKhan


Lies, i have met Lilan Khan before! Neutral

Also, you forgot Dianabolic.

Draekas Darkwater
Posted - 2008.04.30 04:05:00 - [26]
 

I think its relavant. It goes towards a candidate's trustworthyness of a candidate. I too have no wish to unknowingly vote for some well known scammer's alt character. If someone is willing to scam friends, noobs or whoever, out of thier assets.. even if it is a "part of the game", I would not trust them to do anything they promise to do in RL either.

This includes any platforms or issues they are promising to support/push as part of thier job as CSMs.

That said, I doubt CCP would do this, especially for those who choose not to.

However, I think an acceptable compromise might be for CSM candidates to voluntarily divulge the information and ask CCP to confirm thier authenticity. This way, you can choose not to, but if you do, we know that you're not BSing the voters. BSing and scamming may be part of the game, but if this CSM thing is really an OUT OF GAME process, then that argument is moot too.

Ray McCormack
Nordar Innovations.
Posted - 2008.04.30 06:50:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: Serenity Steele
IMO it's simply not relevant.

Would you care to elaborate as to why they're irrelevant?

LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
Posted - 2008.04.30 07:48:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Ray McCormack
Originally by: Serenity Steele
IMO it's simply not relevant.

Would you care to elaborate as to why they're irrelevant?


I too was wondering exactly about this.

No offence to SS, i know you are a good guy. It's exactly relevant.
With the rumors that you are a bobbit, people wants to know.

I would expect no less myself, if i had a character in a large alliance.

zoolkhan
Minmatar
Mirkur Draug'Tyr
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2008.04.30 09:08:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: Serenity Steele
I'm with Zoolkhan and Jade Constantine on this one.IMO it's simply not relevant. I'm not revealing the name of my exotic dancer or slaver hound either.

I'd just like to clear my name anyway by adding that my alts are:
Mynas Atoch
SirMolle
Butterdog
LilianKhan

I hope managed to offend a few people by failing to list their names. Wink


You either have an account that allows 4 characters, or 2 accounts of which one doesnt have all slots used:-)

Huh,Laughing thats really cool .. compared to you my alts have really clean records.

Respect for this outing mate. All the best for your campaign.


I am a defender of private rights in RL, a fighter for freedom and anti-cesonsorship
its hard for me to abadon my principles.

However, anyone who wants to ensure non of my hauler or cynoalts has scammed them
is asked to contact me directly in game to learn about my alts.

This is IMO a reasonable compromise which of course bears the risk that this person could go to forum next day and just publish that data w/o my permission. But at least by doing so
i learn something of the character of a person ;)

honor

ps: i hereby confess to be a hetero paganist with buddhistic influence

CCP Xhagen

Posted - 2008.04.30 09:54:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: Ray McCormack
Will CCP be releasing a verified list of candidates' alternative character names across all accounts?



No, CCP will not be releasing any further information about the candidates beyond what has been released to this date.


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