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Xanou
Posted - 2008.04.26 19:23:00 - [1]
 

I'm sure I've read a post about this before a long time ago, but I want to ask the question myself.

I love mining. Cant get enough of it. I'm greedy and I like money. Thats out of the way.

I'm about 30 days out from getting my Hulk and I kinda want to get some advice from those of you who have had Hulks and know their fittings. So here are my questions:

1. Would I be okay against rats if I just mined in 0.5+ space and is the extra income of the ores found in 0.5 - 0.7 space worth it? What sort of fitting would I need to survive

2. < 0.5 space. Is it worth it? I've read that Hulks have some beef to them. Again, is it worth it? Can would drones help for protection... I can run three or four accounts so I was thinking I might eventually have a couple hulks and a PvP account for protection. Would this setup be safer from pirates? What ship should I use to protect my exhumers?

3. How much money can I expect to make in an hour in:

0.0 space:
0.5 - 0.7 space:
Low sec (please list the differences in various low sec areas):

Sorry for all of the questions, but I'm just really curious about all of this and want to know what to expect. I'm a scaredy cat when it comes to PvP but if 3 hulks and some sort of PvP ship have a good chance at survival, then I think I'm up for it.

Thanks in advance!


Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2008.04.26 19:38:00 - [2]
 

Veldspar is by far the best money-maker ANYWHERE in highsec and lowsec right now, so even 1.0 is just as good as 0.1.
The only better income you could get is out in 0.0 and find one of the high-end ores... but you won't be able to go at it alone... "one PvP ship for protection" isn't going to cut it in 0.0 NPC-controlled space, and alliance-controlled space is off-limits unless you're a member of the alliance.

TimMc
Brutal Deliverance
Gypsy Band
Posted - 2008.04.26 21:18:00 - [3]
 

Originally by: Akita T
Veldspar is by far the best money-maker ANYWHERE in highsec and lowsec right now, so even 1.0 is just as good as 0.1.
The only better income you could get is out in 0.0 and find one of the high-end ores... but you won't be able to go at it alone... "one PvP ship for protection" isn't going to cut it in 0.0 NPC-controlled space, and alliance-controlled space is off-limits unless you're a member of the alliance.



Your joking right?

*looks are market tab*

**** thats alot more than I looked last time.

Tai Paktu
Aperture Harmonics
Posted - 2008.04.26 21:41:00 - [4]
 

Taking your Hulk to low sec is risky. If you've got a solid corp/allianc with a low sec base, you can do quite well with selling zyd and mega to empire corps. Hulks can tank low sec rats and kill them with medium T2 drones.

Hulks in low sec are also akin to rolling around in a mixture of honey and blood and then kicking a bear in the face.

If you're careful, it can be ok. I'd recommend the Hulk for empire and a stabbed and aligned Covetor in low sec.

(If I come in system, ignore me. I'm just a helpful bear YARRRR!!)

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2008.04.26 21:47:00 - [5]
 

Edited by: Akita T on 26/04/2008 21:55:22
Originally by: TimMc
Your joking right?
*looks are market tab*
**** thats alot more than I looked last time.

Sadly, no, I'm not joking.
As potential ISK/hour from refined minerals, Veldspar right now is the best out of all lowsec and highsec ores combined.

The reasons are a bit complicated, but it's basically a combination between refineable mission loot drops and the new drone regions dropping the highend mineral prices (smaller recent changes rectified megacyte price a bit, but nowhere near its base value), while at the same time demand for minerals in general is still increasing, even if the capital ship market is suffering a minor setback even since the intention to nerf carriers was announced.

Last but not least, the other change : shuttles no longer sold by NPCs, so you can no longer get tritanium for 3.6 ISK anywhere you like, but still having OTHER refineables where you can get tritanium at 3.6 ISK per unit... it's just not anywhere you want, like it used to be. More of a psychological barrier rather than anything else, but still.


Unless they change the ore mineral composition, or they suddendly (and sharply) change the needed minerals for manufacture of items/ships, tritanium prices are bound to be the highest ones (when compared to the BASE value) for a long, long time.
So... yeah... Veldspar it is.
Soon enough, you won't even be able to find any soon after downtime, alongside whatever other ores hold a fair chunk of Tritanium.

Jason Edwards
Internet Tough Guy
Spreadsheets Online
Posted - 2008.04.26 21:50:00 - [6]
 

Figure out how much m3 per hour you're capable of first.

Then look at Ore calculator

The reality though is that a hulk is an empire roid destroyer. 1 hulk can typically clear an entire belt in a couple hours easily. Empire roids are small.

So don't choose anything specific. Just goto the belt and eat it all.

Jason Edwards
Internet Tough Guy
Spreadsheets Online
Posted - 2008.04.26 21:52:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: TimMc
Originally by: Akita T
Veldspar is by far the best money-maker ANYWHERE in highsec and lowsec right now, so even 1.0 is just as good as 0.1.

Your joking right?
*looks are market tab*
**** thats alot more than I looked last time.

Sadly, no, I'm not joking.
As potential ISK/hour from refined minerals, Veldspar right now is the best out of all lowsec and highsec ores combined.


um no it isn't.

isk/m3 which m3 is directly related to how much you actually mine. Scordite is clearly better.

Alex Shurk
Posted - 2008.04.26 21:55:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: Jason Edwards
isk/m3 which m3 is directly related to how much you actually mine. Scordite is clearly better.


It isn't.

Lol, trit cap removal.

As for the sec status superiority; find a quiet 0.5 so you can have loads of +10% veld. 1.0s wont have any.

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2008.04.26 21:57:00 - [9]
 

Edited by: Akita T on 26/04/2008 22:11:28
Originally by: Jason Edwards
um no it isn't.
isk/m3 which m3 is directly related to how much you actually mine. Scordite is clearly better.

Oh really ? Mind doing the math for us to see ?
And post what prices you ASSUMED for the refined minerals while you're at it.

Jason Edwards
Internet Tough Guy
Spreadsheets Online
Posted - 2008.04.26 22:11:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Akita T
Originally by: Jason Edwards
um no it isn't.
isk/m3 which m3 is directly related to how much you actually mine. Scordite is clearly better.

Oh really ? Mind doing the math for us to see ?
And post what prices you ASSUMED for the refined minerals while you're at it.


already been done and posted newb.

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2008.04.26 22:12:00 - [11]
 

Edited by: Akita T on 26/04/2008 22:17:14

Originally by: Jason Edwards
already been done and posted newb.


Because I see 33.3 m^3 of Veldspar reprocessing into 1000 Tritanium, so around 3580 ISK...
but it's 49.95 m^3 of Scordite into 833 Tritanium (*3.58 = 2982 ISK)and 416 Pyerite (*4.41 = 1834 ISK), so 4816 ISK

Veldspar -> 107.5 ISK / m^3 (10.75 ISK/unit)
Scordite -> 96.41 ISK / m^3 (14.46 ISK/unit)

Might want to watch who you're calling "newb".
That, or take a better look at the market.
Either way, you were wrong.


P.S. I should have seen that coming miles away from somebody who relies on a website tool to do the math, without knowing exactly how to use it, or not even bothering to log into the game to update with current prices.

Liang Nuren
Posted - 2008.04.26 22:17:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Akita T
Because I see 33.3 m^3 of Veldspar reprocessing into 1000 Tritanium, so around 3580 ISK...
but it's 49.95 m^3 of Scordite into 833 Tritanium (*3.58 = 2982 ISK)and 416 Pyerite (*4.41 = 1834 ISK), so 4816 ISK

Veldspar -> 107.5 ISK / m^3 (10.75 ISK/unit)
Scordite -> 96.41 ISK / m^3 (14.46 ISK/unit)

Might want to watch who you're calling "newb".
That, or take a better look at the market.
Either way, you were wrong.



When I destroy people this way, they call it "mindlessly flaming". When you do it, it's funny.

Sigh.

-Liang

Xanou
Posted - 2008.04.26 22:26:00 - [13]
 

Thank you all for your input, and the interesting read lol.

I think I'll just stick to 0.5+. I really don't think it is worth the risk to go to 0.0 alone and I don't belong to a corporation.

As far as the veldspar goes, right now I just sell the ore. I havent messed with my refining much at all.

Thanks again

Jason Edwards
Internet Tough Guy
Spreadsheets Online
Posted - 2008.04.26 22:50:00 - [14]
 

Quote:
Because I see 33.3 m^3 of Veldspar reprocessing into 1000 Tritanium, so around 3580 ISK... but it's 49.95 m^3 of Scordite into 833 Tritanium (*3.58 = 2982 ISK)and 416 Pyerite (*4.41 = 1834 ISK), so 4816 ISK

Notice the *assumed prices*

My source provides an average. You on the otherhand chose your specific market. That's 1 region. Is EVERYONE selling in your region? No? then you outright fail.

Quote:
Might want to watch who you're calling "newb".

you're right newb. I did appropriately call you a newb.

Quote:
That, or take a better look at the market.

Again proving you're looking at just 1 region. In amarr space Omber is double or more the value of other regions. Newb.

Quote:
Either way, you were wrong.

No you're the wrong one. You have no idea where this guy is. You cant assume he is in the same one as you newb. Thusly average is used.

Siigari Kitawa
Gallente
Perditus Peregrinus
Posted - 2008.04.27 01:03:00 - [15]
 

Edited by: Siigari Kitawa on 27/04/2008 01:03:49
Tritanium prices are fluctuating madly right now. I would suggest checking your local market and doing the math yourself.

Don't have people on the forums tell you how to play the game, but do seek advice.

edit: spelling

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2008.04.27 01:09:00 - [16]
 

Edited by: Akita T on 27/04/2008 01:09:41
Originally by: Jason Edwards
My source provides an average.

So let me get this straight, you're purposely not using the best price you could get for it, but rather some cross-game average ?
Rolling Eyes
Originally by: Jason Edwards
You have no idea where this guy is.

He was asking where to go. Why would I care where he is ?

NoNah
Posted - 2008.04.27 01:17:00 - [17]
 

Whats the matter with all these lame newbie-questions forcing me to agree with Akita T and Liang? I don't like it! I really don't!

Ra'ita
Posted - 2008.04.27 06:34:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Jason Edwards

you're right newb. I did appropriately call you a newb.


Sigh. You haven't been around here long, have you?

Quote:
No you're the wrong one. You have no idea where this guy is. You cant assume he is in the same one as you newb. Thusly average is used.


It's all about min/maxing when you come to mining (although this may be the wrong forum for such discussions). But the point holds: veldspar wins. Sorry kiddo.

Scout McAlt
Posted - 2008.04.27 07:05:00 - [19]
 

High demand for tritanim means player manufactureres are happy to pay 3-4 times its old price.

So, since you are making 3-4 times as much as you used to, it unds up being more isk than mining jaspet, scortite or any other high sec or low sec rock.

The prices for minerals are done by players so for now, mine veld like mad. Nobody knows how long the current veld craze will last.

Maor Raor
Posted - 2008.04.27 08:35:00 - [20]
 

Edited by: Maor Raor on 27/04/2008 08:38:40
Edited by: Maor Raor on 27/04/2008 08:36:44
Originally by: Alex Shurk

It isn't.

Lol, trit cap removal.

As for the sec status superiority; find a quiet 0.5 so you can have loads of +10% veld. 1.0s wont have any.


The trit cap is still firmly inplace at between 3.6 and 4.4 isk per unit.


Some people are to slow to realise it yet.

The shuttle removal did nothing.

Edit- PS you dont want to argue with Akita T about the price of trit
She knows more about the mineral market than any other poster ive seen,

Kwah teN
Posted - 2008.04.27 14:41:00 - [21]
 

Personally, not a fan of highsec.

Pretty much right now, trit is your best deal. Good level 4 drone mish, and you're set for a while on high-ends. Trit however is where you're lacking.

If you're in lowsec, you're doing it in space where you have protection from pirates. You'll want a good alliance or some such. Even still, you're going to be setting up your hulk to tank at least most of the rats.

I looked at the ultimate miner's guide, and since I don't have the cash for any deadspace/faction modules, I had to scale down to what I had. Ignoring the highs on this loadout since it's fairly self-explanatory:

Meds:

1x Small Booster II
3x named or T2 passive hardeners

Lows:

1x Named PDU
1x MLU II
------


That setup should tank MOST spawns in lowsec and permarun. Heck, since the space I'm in is fairly secure, I can also tank the smacktard pirates that come in. It's still no excuse to not stay aligned to your SS though.

If you want more space for ore, then add rigs for that; shield rigs increase your sig radius, and bigger sig radius on your hulk is bad.

That setup should also make you reasonably safe in hisec from suicide gankers, but don't quote me on that since I don't spend much time IN hisec.

Don't be afraid of PVP. Being afraid makes you do stupid things. Be aware of PVP, and be prepared to deal with it as it comes. I hope that makes sense.

Ikserak tai
Posted - 2008.04.28 18:29:00 - [22]
 

Edited by: Ikserak tai on 28/04/2008 18:29:17
5 Hobgoblins I's and 5 mining drones (pull the miners in and then launch Hobs) or just 5 Hammerheads I's will take care of any 0.5 and above rats.

You will usually get them in packs of 2 or 3, just launch drones and continue mining, the hulk will tank anything they dish out whilst your drones do their work.

The question then becomes "what ore should I mine" and that has been answered above....


 

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