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Blo Job
Posted - 2004.04.23 00:09:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Blo Job on 23/04/2004 00:16:26
Both tactics encouraged in game that allows no foul language!
Gate guns not fireing at gankers camped .2 through .4 inside empire space. Help channel encourages thieves in secure space, if I kill them Concord kills me as they continue to steal from my mining can. In real life I kill a thief and law shakes my hand telling me to kill more! The developers need to realize there are far more lawful players in game and change their policies. I have quit the game once in response to these practices which are encouraged. Only in non empire 0 space should law not respond. In real life it just takes longer in hinterlands, but they do come. No reason for gate guns not killing gankers at gates or stations .2 through .4. No reason that Concord should not warp in and help me kill ore thieves. Tired of game encourageing outlaws. Again in real life they are all fair game. What warped values were the game developers raised with? Everyone needs to protest these issues to developers, then changes will happen mates!

The Reclaimer
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2004.04.23 00:15:00 - [2]
 

Another carebear who thinks their way is the only wat to play the game.

Teelmaster
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2004.04.23 00:15:00 - [3]
 

Edited by: Teelmaster on 23/04/2004 00:16:32
and another post was needed on this lame topic for what reason?

Mitchello
B O R G
Posted - 2004.04.23 00:23:00 - [4]
 

"In real life I kill a thief and law shakes my hand telling me to kill more!"

where do you live!? texas?


Bella Verde
Gallente
Posted - 2004.04.23 00:37:00 - [5]
 

lollerskatez

translation: meh.

MooKids
Caldari
The Graduates
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2004.04.23 00:50:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Blo Job
Edited by: Blo Job on 23/04/2004 00:16:26
Both tactics encouraged in game that allows no foul language!



Is it me, or does it seem hypocritical coming from a person with "Blo Job" for a name?

Quote:
In real life I kill a thief and law shakes my hand telling me to kill more!


What country do you live in? Iran!?

Besides, they aren't stealing from you. You are throwing out garbage and they are just picking up your garbage.

Kaleigh Doyle
Gallente
Racing News Network
Posted - 2004.04.23 01:42:00 - [7]
 

lol....very creative name Ms Job...Wink

Blo Job
Posted - 2004.04.23 03:27:00 - [8]
 

No don't live in Iran or Texas. Live in a city of over a million people and was law enforcement here for many years. If I come up to a thief stealing my car I shoot him, if cash drops out of my pocket and a thief runs away with it I shoot him! My friends in Texas do agree, we all wonder what sort of lawless society you live in? If I'm mining and you come steal from my can it's theft and I will and do shoot you. So sad game forces me to use killer alt to do it with!!! Gate campers shooting those they aren't at war with inside empire is so pathetic; it's ganking pure and simple, not "Heroic PvP" just idiotic bullies who all need to be killed out of the game if the devs won't ban them! As per how often this needs to be posted? Developers need a deluge, a flood to wake up and smell the coffee! 90% of game base agrees, only leaves the silly little bullies and thieves on the other side. All those who are tired of being stolen from, ganked at gates and dealing with these bullies and idiots please FLOOD the DEVELOPERS with complaints here and in game of these exploits. Past time for the civilised to take over the game.

Queen Hawk
Posted - 2004.04.23 03:33:00 - [9]
 

If you Throw you Cash in the garbage and it is in the middle of the trash Pile... Then it is now not really yours as you discarded it.


Cans in space trash and people are free to take from it as you no longer wanted it on your ship :)

HarryManback
Minmatar
Exotic Dancers Club
Imorral Dragons
Posted - 2004.04.23 05:20:00 - [10]
 

Seriously what city do you live in?!?!?!

Viceroy
Posted - 2004.04.23 06:55:00 - [11]
 

Quote:
90% of game base agrees


No they dont, you are part of a vocal minority that consists of a certain bloodline of furry colorful mammals with big blue eyes and sharp claws.

Enforcer
Doomheim
Posted - 2004.04.23 07:23:00 - [12]
 

What is the world coming too.

I find myself agreeing entiorely with Viceroy again. I love the game because it is free form. I don't like thieves and scammers, but they are easy to deal with.

DeathStar
Mind Games.
0ccupational Hazzard
Posted - 2004.04.23 07:33:00 - [13]
 

Edited by: DeathStar on 23/04/2004 07:34:55
There is nothing wrong with gate campers. Its what they do. Not like they have pvp options coming out of their backsides huh...
The more complaining you do about this the less pvpers can do. You already got the sentry gun range extended. Then you got the 40% default insurance.. Anymore and you might as well remove the combat aspect from the game totally.

And sorry but in most citys around the world if you shoot a theif, then you are going to jail for either attempted murder or murder.

And i agree if you put stuff out of your ship in a CC then it becomes anyones. Simple solution, dont mine in the noob systems and use secure cans.

Death
CCP Say no to Carebares

Nightfang
Doomheim
Posted - 2004.04.23 07:35:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Blo Job
If I come up to a thief stealing my car I shoot him, if cash drops out of my pocket and a thief runs away with it I shoot him!


Off-topic: Welcome to an in-game legal system created by people from a country respecting human rights, yank.

On-topic:

Arrow If someone salvages your jettisoned cargo, they do so because it is considered junk. Use secure containers for crying out loud, then it will be earmarked as owned by you...

Arrow CONCORD policy is and has always been that the common citizen shouldn't be allowed to take the law into her own hands. Thus you are a criminal yourself if you do so without the allegged perpetrator having been found guilty by a court of law. It's the way it works in most of the civilized world, the US excluded...

Arrow Sentry guns encourage criminality? Last I checked they doubled the number of guns and did the same thing with their effective range... I'd hardly call that encouraging.

/Nightfang

Lady Michelle
Cold North Industries
Posted - 2004.04.23 07:52:00 - [15]
 

Edited by: Lady Michelle on 23/04/2004 07:54:17
Originally by: Nightfang


Arrow CONCORD policy is and has always been that the common citizen shouldn't be allowed to take the law into her own hands. Thus you are a criminal yourself if you do so without the allegged perpetrator having been found guilty by a court of law. It's the way it works in most of the civilized world, the US excluded...

/Nightfang


First let it be said, I don't agree with.. Blo Jo...(sorry, the name alone would normally make ignore it completly)...

However, what you said above is true, we can't take the law into own hands, that would be chaos.
However, WHAT can we do then? It's not like we can go report them to the Concord and concord will deal with them.
"Stealing" from a can is annoying, I know as I work in industry, but it's not stealing really, you dumped it in space, it's free loot.
You risk getting killed if you do, if the person you take it from have a bad temper.

But besides that, IF someones breaks a law, what do you do? You can't take care of it yourself, then the Concord gets you, which is some what fair.
But then what? The criminal walks free, sure with a bit lower sec rating perhaps, but so what? No one cares about that, the concord dosn't.

So somehow I do UNDERSTAND Blo Jo's point (don't take this as agreeing with her).

And yes, you can just "hire" some mercs to take care of it, but then we are breaking the law to uphold law again, so it's a vicious cyclus, endorsed by criminals.

Perhaps I should stand a Lawfirm...and build a court room... Razz

*EDIT*
oh btw Blo Jo, ever heard of a carriage return? Your textalignment dosn't make it any better to read

Pychian Vanervi
Solar Revenue Service
TAXU
Posted - 2004.04.23 08:35:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Blo Job
No don't live in Iran or Texas. Live in a city of over a million people and was law enforcement here for many years. If I come up to a thief stealing my car I shoot him, if cash drops out of my pocket and a thief runs away with it I shoot him! My friends in Texas do agree, we all wonder what sort of lawless society you live in?


I know who you are, you are one of the fools in life who have no concept of law. You have seen too many Wild West films and believe capital punishment is the only way to deal with anyone breaking the law.
You see no degrees of crime just you stole you die, you jay walked you die!!

This is a game not perfect by any means but still a pretty good go at it. There are aspects in it that are not to everyones liking and will never ever will be. So rather than come onto the boards moaning about ore thieves and gate campers. Why don't you take the effort to find out ways to overcome them Question


Bain
Gallente
Techell Corp
Posted - 2004.04.23 08:58:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Blo Job
If I come up to a thief stealing my car I shoot him, if cash drops out of my pocket and a thief runs away with it I shoot him! My friends in Texas do agree, we all wonder what sort of lawless society you live in? If I'm mining and you come steal from my can it's theft and I will and do shoot you.


You must live in a 'special place' inside your head, if cash drops from your pocket onto the floor and a 'theif' runs away with it, can you explain how the person picking up 'your' cash is a theif, do you write your name on each coin and note you have on your person? Does this mean that if you buy something and the shop keeper hands you back a note that you have once owned and 'claimed' that he is a theif and you shoot him dead the local police will be out to give you a medal and hold a parade in your honour??

Anyways, in regard to your 'ore theif', if by your can you mean a secure can that has been anchored and had a password set on it, then I would recommend using a different password, if however you mean a can you jettisoned if you didnt see the warning screen or have forgotten what it says I would clear the check box in the Esc. screen for jettisoned cans and read what it says, because you are 'throwing away' the content of the can and therefore anyone can come and take what you have disgarded.

Joshua Calvert
Caldari
Rule One
Posted - 2004.04.23 09:01:00 - [18]
 

Edited by: Joshua Calvert on 23/04/2004 09:08:32
Originally by: The Reclaimer
Another carebear who thinks their way is the only wat to play the game.


Talking about yourself again, Reclaimer?

Wink

What you said is actually a pretty good definition of a carebear though.

Killash Larz
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2004.04.23 09:24:00 - [19]
 

Quote:
No don't live in Iran or Texas. Live in a city of over a million people and was law enforcement here for many years. If I come up to a thief stealing my car I shoot him, if cash drops out of my pocket and a thief runs away with it I shoot him! My friends in Texas do agree, we all wonder what sort of lawless society you live in?


Holy ****! I can't believe I'm reading this!

WTF is going on!? Exclamation

meowcat
Aliastra
Posted - 2004.04.23 09:43:00 - [20]
 

Edited by: meowcat on 23/04/2004 09:47:28
Edited by: meowcat on 23/04/2004 09:45:09
Originally by: Blo Job
If I come up to a thief stealing my car I shoot him, if cash drops out of my pocket and a thief runs away with it I shoot him! My friends in Texas do agree, we all wonder what sort of lawless society you live in?.



NEWS SHOCKER: N4Z1SM ALIVE AND WELL WITHIN EVE COMMUNITY.


(edit: not sure why that word is banned, but hey...)


ps: thankfully i live in the sort of 'lawless' society which prevents me from being shot by rampant sociopaths like you, and where people are encouraged not to drop litter

Mephisha
Caldari
Caldari Navy
Posted - 2004.04.23 09:55:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Enforcer
What is the world coming too.

I find myself agreeing entiorely with Viceroy again. I love the game because it is free form. I don't like thieves and scammers, but they are easy to deal with.


It should be just as easy to deal with these ppl as it is to gank ppl at gates.

Imagine someone is taking all the stuff from your house, the police is watching as it happens and on top of that the police officer says .... don't touch the guy or i will shoot YOU.

This is what all the frustration is all about

meowcat
Aliastra
Posted - 2004.04.23 10:03:00 - [22]
 

Repeat after me:

USE A SECURE CAN
USE A SECURE CAN
USE A SECURE CAN
USE A SECURE CAN
USE A SECURE CAN
USE A SECURE CAN
USE A SECURE CAN
USE A SECURE CAN

stuff you jettison = anybodys stuff.

Pychian Vanervi
Solar Revenue Service
TAXU
Posted - 2004.04.23 10:05:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Mephisha


It should be just as easy to deal with these ppl as it is to gank ppl at gates.

Imagine someone is taking all the stuff from your house, the police is watching as it happens and on top of that the police officer says .... don't touch the guy or i will shoot YOU.

This is what all the frustration is all about


I think we are going a little too far with RL ethics and laws. We all fly Spaceships in a fantasy world where we trade isk.
The comparisons with RL have no real substance here.
I understand the moans but both of the incidents described can be avoided or have no real effect on you if steps are taken.

As for the shooting in RL I guess someone needs to keep a close eye on this person, unless he has come to the future from Dodge city.



Mephisha
Caldari
Caldari Navy
Posted - 2004.04.23 10:24:00 - [24]
 

I said imagine ...

It is not to draw a parralell from eve to RL

It was to describe the way ppl feel about this

Faster ThanJesus
Caldari
EVE Cemetery
Posted - 2004.04.23 11:03:00 - [25]
 

jet can mining is considered throwing stuff away - anyone can take it, as has been pointed out by people numerous times in this thread

ore thieving from jet cans is merely frowned upon by the populace at large as a kind of ettiquette. If you want to jet can mine and shoot people that steel from you, do it in <0.5.

The one thing I do agree with you about is that CONCORD should simulate a police force whose IQ is higher than the average garden snail. I also know that AI is a pretty hard thing to get right, but some changes would be nice - accomplis identification, reduced kneejerk reactions to collatoral damage etc.

McWatt
Caldari
Posted - 2004.04.23 11:38:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Blo Job
In real life I kill a thief and law shakes my hand telling me to kill more!

Shocked RL sucks!!! (at least around youVery Happy)

flexible police response is what is needed.

and yes, in eve (and only there) law enforcement should be put into the hands of the ppl as much as possible!

TeeTee
Posted - 2004.04.23 11:51:00 - [27]
 

Its about freedom , you cant always count on the law saving you , they usally get there after the fact thank god in my country you can shoot criminals before they hurt you. One thing is for sure after a criminal is killed by the law or an armed citizen they sure as hell wont commit another crime. American by Birth southern by the grace of God.

Nightfang
Doomheim
Posted - 2004.04.23 11:55:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: TeeTee
Its about freedom , you cant always count on the law saving you , they usally get there after the fact thank god in my country you can shoot criminals before they hurt you. One thing is for sure after a criminal is killed by the law or an armed citizen they sure as hell wont commit another crime. American by Birth southern by the grace of God.


We have that in the civilized world as well, you know. I don't know what it's called in english but it basically stated that you can take any measures necessary to protect your own life/property. To a degree.

Thank God I don't live in a country where people feel good about shooting shoplifters. Some of my now law-abiding friends wouldn't have made it past the age of 6... Shocked

Beringe
Caldari
Mercurialis Inc.
Posted - 2004.04.23 11:56:00 - [29]
 

Surreal.

This thread goes great with a Pixies soundtrack.

Cardassius
Seraphin Technologies
KrautbreaK
Posted - 2004.04.23 11:58:00 - [30]
 

Edited by: Cardassius on 23/04/2004 12:02:22
Originally by: meowcat
Repeat after me:

USE A SECURE CAN
USE A SECURE CAN
USE A SECURE CAN
USE A SECURE CAN
USE A SECURE CAN
USE A SECURE CAN
USE A SECURE CAN
USE A SECURE CAN

stuff you jettison = anybodys stuff.


Why does the can say: "Ascendancy Inc. [ASCI]" when i jettison it and not "cargo container"?

Nuff said.


p.s. Maybe we could setup Police in eve :)
Just dock and report what is stolen, the police will try and investigate it! ;)




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