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Bared Bel'Medar
Caldari
Drunken Wookies
BricK sQuAD.
Posted - 2004.04.22 14:47:00 - [1]
 

its starting to drive me nuts. I've got a crapload of these guys in my corp, and I figure the sooner I find the "Lost Kin" the sooner they will shut up about the old days. If you were in a corp with Raytesh, Tenavor, Shadeh, Dlarit, Theoden, Doc Brown, Pacala, Letum De-Somethingoranother, or Unleashed... please say it here, so they will leave me alone.

Kayosoni
Caldari
Destructive Influence
IT Alliance
Posted - 2004.04.22 14:48:00 - [2]
 

um LOL.

Jiggy
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2004.04.22 15:03:00 - [3]
 

Most of those who didnt end up in SWI have left at this stage, the only one Ive seen about not in SWI is Anti who is in ice are coming to eve or whatever that french corp is called.

I have to say im surprised that they are nostalgic about those days considering what happened between them and Hari.

Bared Bel'Medar
Caldari
Drunken Wookies
BricK sQuAD.
Posted - 2004.04.22 23:45:00 - [4]
 

Wrong anti... I forgot about him and all buzzilion of his accounts. From What I understand, he sold the original account and bought Mallick. I think he absorbed Imperial's account as well. Oh, and I'm not sure it nastalgia, but I can't take to much more of it. I think If I find the Missing members except this Harry scuzwad it will shut them up. Oh I forgot, Mello made a return, but there is some guy in Tyrell who used to be a Foundation member.

Robotek Hybrid
Caldari
The Hull Miners Union
Random-Violence
Posted - 2004.04.23 00:17:00 - [5]
 

i was foundation but i dont know nay of those whom u listed ... mitchello is in cldari tech and the old foundation members ar still in foundation...

Mitchello
Caldari
The Collective
B O R G
Posted - 2004.04.23 03:20:00 - [6]
 

Edited by: Mitchello on 23/04/2004 03:21:17
wrong Foundation, they are talking about the OLD Foundation not the newer one that is now ruled by the Iron trout of Duncan and is a memebr of Xetic/IF and has a nap with CA.

But maybe we should start a post about where FND, Foundation NAvy and Foundation Reserve peopel went? I know I got Phantomas, Kristie and Deersew1...

Jiggy
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2004.04.24 16:56:00 - [7]
 

Harry scuzzwad?

You mean the person who BUILT foundation, and then got shafted by two directors power grab?

Shadeh and Imperil still disgust me to this day.

Agent Infiniti
Gallente
Rampage Eternal
Ka-Tet
Posted - 2004.04.25 00:25:00 - [8]
 

It wasn't a power grab at all, there was much more to it I'm afraid and there where more people than just "2 directors" involved.

Jiggy
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2004.04.25 08:16:00 - [9]
 

Basically you waited until the corp got a BS bp then stole everything using some lame excuse of hari selling corp stuff on e-bay which was a lie and basically forced people to follow you or start anew.

Kelly O'Connor
Minmatar
Black Nova Corp
IT Alliance
Posted - 2004.04.25 12:46:00 - [10]
 

Shadeh, I was well aware of the EXACT stated reasons for kicking hari out, and I'm well aware of the real reasons.

You wanted power, dlarit wanted power, imperil was happy to go along.

Hari never defended himself publically, and he shouldnt have had to, but that counted in your favour.


Hari dissapeared 9 months ago, dont you think it's time to own up?

Durandal
Amarr
Imperial Shipment
Posted - 2004.04.25 13:29:00 - [11]
 


Bared, in case you hadn't noticed I was Foundation as well Wink. And as for the power-grab whatever, thats just plain wrong. Hari wasn't kicked out, we just left and formed Second Wave Inc - a move that was supported by most of the members (with the exception of perhaps alyssia vendred and hari of course) - I believe Hari went on to form Second Foundation before leaving.

Raytesh
Gallente
Frontier Technologies
Posted - 2004.04.25 13:51:00 - [12]
 

Edited by: Raytesh on 25/04/2004 13:53:56
Second Wave never stole anything as i remember most of the corp assests were divided among Hari and Shadeh. The so called ebay incident did happen and our members that are still with us today remember helping him. A lot of us didnt like the fact that Hari was making real money off what we did in eve. Which is why CCP started to ban people from selling items and isk on EBAY. In the end as i remember it Hari wasnt playing much and Shadeh and a lot of the other members left. It was a decision that was discussed and everything was worked out and we separated and are hear today. Most of the orginal Foundation members either play in SWI or there are a few in Big Bang Burger Bar as well as a few scattered throughout the galaxy.
Anti on the other hand sold his first account and now uses a some others. Rolling Eyes

Kelly O'Connor
Minmatar
Black Nova Corp
IT Alliance
Posted - 2004.04.25 13:54:00 - [13]
 

Edited by: Kelly O'Connor on 25/04/2004 14:32:26
Edited by: Kelly O'Connor on 25/04/2004 13:58:05
Dura, shadeh and imperil took all the corps assets, told hari, then told everyone in the corp what was happening, and that hari had stolen from the corp.

shadeh and imperil didnt "leave", they took all the assets, made hari leave F, then disbanded F so they could take all the assets.

As I said, hari never defended himself(and he shouldnt have had to, either, you should have had more respect for someone who built the damn corp).

People werent asked(for the most part), or even informed, shadeh and his followers took action, and then left people with the choice of being in the scope, or joining SWI.

Not much of a choice.

@raytesh:

Hari got an unlimited arma bpc, and a few others ****ty bp's.

That's it, it wasnt a division, it was just enough to make hari not fight SWI.

As for ebay, he sold a single gallente cruiser(vexor wasnt it?) and about 4 million worth of other items.

So 10mil isk worth of stuff.

You think hari couldnt have made 10million isk in 6 weeks of playing, considering how knowledgable he was?

It was a bull**** excuse, designed to make hari look bad, and the corp theft look good.


This event is still to personal, dont think I'll reply again

Jiggy
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2004.04.25 15:05:00 - [14]
 

If you had a problem with people ebaying stuff why was/is anti in SWI?

He sold loads of stuff on ebay.

Durandal man you were a newb in foundation so you dont have much of a clue what was really happening.

The characters in big bang burger bar are sold accounts so dont count.

Raytesh basically most people logged on to find the corp hangers stripped of stuff and an e-mail stating hari had been forced out and that people were setting up SWI instead.

And you know what Hari was active but on 2 other characters which werent just made as a corp manager character and alot if not most of what he got on those characters went to the corp.

Basically put it anyway you want your corp was started on the basis of stealing from The Foundation no matter what sort of spin you want to put on it.

Durandal
Amarr
Imperial Shipment
Posted - 2004.04.25 16:15:00 - [15]
 

Edited by: Durandal on 25/04/2004 16:29:41

Granted I was not in Foundation long before this all kicked off, but I knew exactly what was happening, I spoke to pretty much all the parties involved including Hari. Since then Hari has been in our public channel on more than one occasion chatting to us - no one stole anything from anyone and everyone is fine with everyone else (afaik)

Kelly O'Connor
Minmatar
Black Nova Corp
IT Alliance
Posted - 2004.04.25 16:20:00 - [16]
 

Edited by: Kelly O'Connor on 25/04/2004 16:21:45
Dura, corp hangars WERE looted, I should know since I was basically the only person who actually stuck along with hari.

Hari only had a problem with a few in SWI, and he was able to move on quickly enough.

He's a better man than me.

Durandal
Amarr
Imperial Shipment
Posted - 2004.04.25 16:26:00 - [17]
 


I'm not going to argue about this....I don't have a problem with any ex-member of foundation.

Either way, this is off topic, and whatever happened in the past hardly has an impact on who we are now.

Shadeh
Gallente
Independent Fighters
Posted - 2004.04.25 16:26:00 - [18]
 

You're quite right Kelly, it wasn't a divide at all, it was much more of a re-formation. The directors discovered that Hari was selling our hard earned items and isk. We decided that seeing as it was the corporations assets, they needed to be protected, don't forget that you where also included in this decision also, as you contributed. Perhaps the reason that Hari didn't defend himself publicly, was because he had no defence?

Hari had suggested that he wanted to step down as CEO, and he suggested that I should take over as CEO. He gave me a dead line to train the necessary skills, which I complied with. When the deadline came, and passed, he seemed not to want to step down as we had agreed. Information came to me regarding Hari's actions, which is why the decision was made.

The majority of the assets that the corp had, that Hari hadn't already sold where put in safe keeping, a decision that was not taken easily. Hari was informed of our actions and asked to re-consider his decision not to step down, he declined to do so, so we where left no alternative but do what we did.

Although others where involved, at the end of the day, I personally take responsibility for what happend. As said above, we also provided Hari with copies of all the corp owned BP's (this was before the limit on copies), to which he agreed. He also took many originals that he had bought himself, this was no problem at all.

Last time I spoke to Hari, he'd founded The Corp, which I think (could be wrong here, please correct he) was a pirate corporation which is the direction he wanted to go. He'd said to me on many occasion, that he wanted to try pirating within Eve, rather than the direction that The Foundation was taking.

Judicator
Gallente
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
Posted - 2004.04.25 16:41:00 - [19]
 

Edited by: Judicator on 25/04/2004 16:44:26
I was in Foundation and later SWI. Not with this char tough. THe char that was there is biomassed long time ago.

Agent Infinit know show I am.

Also, Hari was mostly busy playing his pirate alt.

Durandal
Amarr
Imperial Shipment
Posted - 2004.04.25 16:46:00 - [20]
 


I know who you are as well Wink. I thought you had stopped playing.

Jiggy
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2004.04.25 16:53:00 - [21]
 

The Corp wasnt a pirate corp it was a merging of a few corps into one and I think most of The Corp are now AFDT which arent a pirate corp.

He wasnt selling your hard earned isk he was selling his own hard earned isk as other past and probably present SWI do again I dont see all their stuff been taken from them.

Just out of curiousity what do you expect somebody to give up his corp that he had founded and put effort into?

And as said you gave Hari enough to keep him quiet and nothing more but you left people who had put money minerals time and effort into the corp that didnt want to follow thieves with basically nothing but their ships and nothing to show for their efforts.

Hari may of been busy on his pirate alt but you also seem to forget he was busy on his miner alt too and as I said most of that went to corp.

Call it a reformation if you wish but I dont see taking everything from a corp and then starting your own as a reformation.

Judicator
Gallente
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
Posted - 2004.04.25 17:00:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Durandal

I know who you are as well Wink. I thought you had stopped playing.


I had. But I kept coming back. Very up and down.

Shadeh
Gallente
Independent Fighters
Posted - 2004.04.25 17:30:00 - [23]
 

Not everything was taken. When Hari was confronted about his action, he gave everyone take access to all the corp hangers, so if anything went missing, then the remaining members should be blamed. We simply safe guarded what the corp had worked so hard to achieve, nothing more, nothing less.

Hari's mining alt had zero input to The Foundation anyway.

Jiggy
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2004.04.25 20:28:00 - [24]
 

Yes he just gave people stuff to transfer into the corp hanger which is zero input.

Durandal
Amarr
Imperial Shipment
Posted - 2004.04.25 20:49:00 - [25]
 


This has gone way too far off topic. What ever happened in the past has no impact on today. This argument is finished.

Kelly O'Connor
Minmatar
Black Nova Corp
IT Alliance
Posted - 2004.04.25 21:09:00 - [26]
 

Of course it has impact.

To this day you can see what hari sold on ebay(freshkicks).

He sold 10mil isk worth of items -> THIS WAS SELLING OFF CORPS ASSETS?

It was a bleeding vexor and some 250mm rails.

Considering every other member had a vexor, how do you manage to think that hari selling a vexor was stealing?

The argument is still pertinent, because shadeh is still lying, slandering, and obfuscating.

Back before I joined foundation(and judicator will remember this), I used to make 5mil a day in an indy doing trade runs, but in a month, the CEO of a large succesful corp couldnt have made TEN MILLION ISK?

You disgust me shadeh.

Raytesh
Gallente
Frontier Technologies
Posted - 2004.04.26 01:36:00 - [27]
 

One thing is certain too this day it seems that only a few people are unhappy with the decission one who is using an alt and kelly. Most of the orginal foundation is still here in SWI. The assest only changed hands Foundation died off and more than half the members came to SWI. A corperation is only as good as its members most of the members saw a problem this was taken into consideration Hari was spoken to. Most of hte members came to SWI and are still here today (the ones that still play that is.) There are a few members that are still outside but the bulk of the foundation are in SWI. It was more of a change of names. As for shadeh wanting power not true the power was turned over to the corp and the directors took the major role. I should know i was one of them. The thing that is now today is that the members here are happy with things they way they are and have been. There have been members who have come and gone but mainly they are happy being here. I play the game more because of this group of people more than i do for any other reason. Its the people in SWI that make this corp fun to be in. Call us what you will but we are having fun. Maybe it was rough in teh beginning but we are where we are today because we had fun. Without these guys in the corp we wouldnt be where we are today and its not so much the older members its the newer guys that are playing. Its fun because of them and im still having fun.

Anarchon
Caldari
M.I.5 Tactical
Posted - 2004.04.26 01:43:00 - [28]
 

no no no no no! you are alll so wrong the truth is that i ate them

Jiggy
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2004.04.26 09:02:00 - [29]
 

Yes because your having fun excuses everything.

And tbh most of the people who went out day after day and mined for the corp and not for themselves didnt got to SWI most actually quit, its the people who put themselves first and the corp second that ended up in SWI.

Nope 2 or 3 members saw a problem with Hari leading, then waited for us to get a BS bp then said Hari sold corp stuff rather then his own stuff, convinced most of the sheep that the lie was true stole everything and gave Hari bpcs so he would keep quiet.

And btw this is my main my foundation account was sold long ago

Judicator
Gallente
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
Posted - 2004.04.26 13:33:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: Kelly O'Connor
Of course it has impact.

To this day you can see what hari sold on ebay(freshkicks).

He sold 10mil isk worth of items -> THIS WAS SELLING OFF CORPS ASSETS?

It was a bleeding vexor and some 250mm rails.

Considering every other member had a vexor, how do you manage to think that hari selling a vexor was stealing?

The argument is still pertinent, because shadeh is still lying, slandering, and obfuscating.

Back before I joined foundation(and judicator will remember this), I used to make 5mil a day in an indy doing trade runs, but in a month, the CEO of a large succesful corp couldnt have made TEN MILLION ISK?

You disgust me shadeh.


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