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pinkers
Posted - 2008.04.16 06:56:00 - [1]
 

Hi, i could do with some help setting up my dominix for level 4s, atm i've got:

6x250mm railguns with antimatter
5xcap recharger 2s
1600mm plate
2 LARS
armor explosive hardener 2
armor kinetic hardener 2
armor thermic hardener 2
energised adaptive nano membrane 2

Thanks in advance for help.

Matting
Capital Storm.
Reverberation Project
Posted - 2008.04.16 07:03:00 - [2]
 

ummm Drones? Razz

Seems fine, are you having problems with anything specific?

I would drop the 1600 plate, use 4 specific mission hardners not an omni tank. Last low either add a power relay for extra capacitor, MFS or another hardner for omni tank missions (drones/mercs)

2 CCC rigs and a nano pump work well too.

Leelo Atriedes
Amarr
TransGalactic Networks
Posted - 2008.04.16 09:18:00 - [3]
 

Edited by: Leelo Atriedes on 16/04/2008 11:07:49
Originally by: Matting
ummm Drones? Razz



Yeah, lots of Drones!

Load different ones depending on enemies, and don't forget the Sentries!

I haven't exactly tried what fits in Drone Bay, but around 15-20 drones depending on their size.
Plenty of spares if you let them out too early and they take a beating.
Or use different categorys; repair drones and the like to support your Domi.

OneSock
Crown Industries
Posted - 2008.04.16 10:50:00 - [4]
 

drop the plate. Add a DCU2 or cap power relay if need be.

Once you have maxed out your cap skills and tank skills, you can think about dropping a LAR down to a MAR and switching to a rack of dual 250mm rails for a bit more gank.

Get to know your missions. Star out with a solid tank and as you get to know the missions you can change yoursetup for less tank and more gank. eg, Gone Beserk can be done with a single MAR2 so you can switch out the LAR2 for a magstab.

Furb Killer
Gallente
Posted - 2008.04.16 11:01:00 - [5]
 

Fit drone link augmentor in high slot

Kusha'an
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2008.04.16 12:33:00 - [6]
 

Lows (Sansha for example, does em/therm)

4x EM hardener II
1x Therm hardener II
EANM II (or 2nd LAR II)
LAR II

Resists for EM will be over 90%, shouldn't usually need 2nd LAR, and can't permarun it anyway without 3 CCCs. And you don't need the plate.

Meds
4x Cap Rech II
1x Omnidirectional tracking link

Add extra omnis as desired, depending on the need for tank

Highs

At least 2 drone link aug, the rest whatever

Drones

T2 meds and T1 sentries

Use a sensor booster with range script and extra drone link augs for long range sentry sniping.


Ezekiel Sulastin
Gallente
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2008.04.16 14:21:00 - [7]
 

Edited by: Ezekiel Sulastin on 16/04/2008 14:22:51
Another General L4 Domi:

2x Large Armor Rep
4x Mission Specific Hardeners
1x DCU II

5x Cap Recharger II

5x w/e (I usually run Dual 250s - some people use one gun and salvage gear)
1x Drone Link Augmentor

2x Cap Control Circuit
1x Aux Nano Pump

DRONZ!!!!! In this case, I tend to just prefer heavies and lights, as I intend to run the mission in a less-than-attentive fashion. By weakening the tank and increasing the gank (and using sentries), you can run missions much quicker in a domi, but it takes more of your attention :)

The tank permaruns without guns with good cap skills, and permaruns 1 LAR with the guns if you don't need all of the tank ...

Tech II gear as you can fit it. If you have lower level drone skills you may need two link augmentors - if you can use t2 lights/meds your base range is 45 km. You should train Electronic Warfare Drone Interfacing to get that 3km/lvl bonus to take you to 57, then use the aug to get a range of 77 km. There are very few missions that work better with control farther than that ...

Ethaet
Gallente
Aliastra
Posted - 2008.04.16 16:57:00 - [8]
 

Ditch the plate, they aren't any use except for small ships, or pvp.

5x dual 250 rails
1x drone link aug

5x cap recharger II

2x LAR II
4x T2 hardeners for whatever or 3 and a DC II
1x cap power relay II

2x aux nano
1x ccc

permaruns everything including the rails with good skills.

syphurous
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
Posted - 2008.04.17 01:11:00 - [9]
 

My god, what over kill some of you have.

Basic:

4 hardners, 1 DCUII, 1 cap flux II, 1 LAR
3 Cap recharger II, 1 Omni Directional, 1 100mn AB
2 Drone Aug, 4 x whatever, me, I run 3 425's and a tractor beam to grab mission required loot, and to tidy the batlefield for my salvage boat.
2 CCC's & an ANP.


Advanced:

Zet4000, CR8, 8B8 ( Something like that, does cap bonus. ) implants.
Swap the LAR for an ANLAR, with the Zet4000 you'll rep over 1000 hp a cycle.

Stefx
Gallente
Solar Storm
Sev3rance
Posted - 2008.04.17 01:37:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: pinkers
Hi, i could do with some help setting up my dominix for level 4s, atm i've got:

6x250mm railguns with antimatter



250mm guns are medium size. The Domi has a bonus for Large guns. Use dual 250mm guns instead, they are in the large category.

Kyra Felann
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2008.04.17 01:43:00 - [11]
 

No need for a plate in missions. You want to be able to sustain a fairly steady rate of damage, so resists and repair rate are the important parts.

For PvP, plates are useful, but for missions, don't worry much about raw armor hit points.

Valentina Gallatoire
Posted - 2008.04.17 02:16:00 - [12]
 

This topic is posted about once a week, and I'm always amazed at the idiotic setups people propose.

To the OP: start with a dual-LAR2 permatanking setup, (2x lar2, 4x mission hard, dc2, 5x cr2, ccc rigs) and then start subtracting tank as your skills and DPS increase. Experience will tell you what you need.

Corwain
Posted - 2008.04.17 03:27:00 - [13]
 

I used to use in some missions:

6x CN 350mm Railgun w/ Plutonium
Gist C-Type XL Booster, CN Boost Amp, 3x Hardener IIs
4x Cap Flux II, 3x GN Magstabs

3x CCC I

5x Bouncer II

Tankes a 5% turret CPU implant (which I use with my PvP Mega setup anyhow, so I already had) and a 3% CPU implant (not that expensive)

Tanks about 900dps to guristas (my personal tanking baseline)
Does nearly 800dps at 40km. With Animatter and Guarde II it gets close to 900dps.

You can't tank whole rooms, but you can do missions plenty fast with controlled aggro.

Once I heard and the overheated torp ravens ganking missionrunners though I sold the kit and bought a crystal set for my Caldari alt who will soon be in a Golem.

Jurgen Cartis
Caldari
Interstellar Corporation of Exploration
Posted - 2008.04.17 03:27:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Stefx

250mm guns are medium size. The Domi has a bonus for Large guns. Use dual 250mm guns instead, they are in the large category.



If your skills are poor (I.E. you lack Engineering V and some AWU) you'll frequently find that fitting Large Guns on a Dual LAR Dominix is difficult if not impossible without fitting mods. Dual 250mm Guns are better at high skills, but newer players will find the improved tracking of 250mms to be very useful. Before I started investing SP into Gunnery, I used 250mm guns to easily pop NPC destroyers. But seriously, on a starting Dominix fit, 80% of your DPS is coming from the drones. The guns are as much decoration as they are firepower on many setups.

Originally by: Leelo Atriedes
Edited by: Leelo Atriedes on 16/04/2008 11:07:49
Originally by: Matting
ummm Drones? Razz



Yeah, lots of Drones!

Load different ones depending on enemies, and don't forget the Sentries!

I haven't exactly tried what fits in Drone Bay, but around 15-20 drones depending on their size.
Plenty of spares if you let them out too early and they take a beating.
Or use different categorys; repair drones and the like to support your Domi.


Don't bring repair drones for missions, they're only useful for repairing gangmates.

Again, your drone loadout will change with your skills. At first, bring Sentries, Heavies and Mediums/Lights. The Sentries are for killing enemies as they approach, then swap out to other drones you can't hit rats with Sentries anymore. Later, once you can afford to drop some tank, you can start dropping Cap 2s for Omnis to really make Sentries shine.

Dominix setup for someone new to L4s:

Lowslots:
2x LAR II
4x Mission Specific Hardener II
1x DCU II/Beta CPR

Midslots:
5x Cap Recharger II

Highslots:
4-6 Guns of your choice
0-2 Drone Link Augmentors

Rigs:
CCCs until it's cap stable enough for you, then fill the rest with Aux Nano Pumps.

Drone Loadout:
5x Sentry
5x Heavy
5x Medium T2
5x Light T2
50m3 of spares

This setup is definitely overtanked. You'll be glad it is when you do something like warp into a mission and immediately kill a trigger spawn.

Later, you can reduce the tank, fit omnis, fit heavier guns, and swap the Heavy Drones out for Garde II sentry drones.

syphurous
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
Posted - 2008.04.17 04:07:00 - [15]
 

I only ever dual LAR'ed once, it wasn't worth it. Resist over rep.

If you dont have the cap support skills, or the ability to run t2 hardners, put the domi away, or run lvl3's in it.

If your really parnoid about running out of cap, just fit 5 x cap recharger II's.

Remember, you get peak recharge at around 33%, I've sat at around 33% just fine. 250s recharge is about where you need it for your LAR to perma run.

Train up sentries, the futher away you can hit a target, they less likely it will hit you from that range.

Kill frigates, cruisers, and leave BS for last in each mob you aggro.

I can one shot frigates with senties at 97km.

Naran Darkmood
Gallente
BlackSite Prophecy
101010 Alliance
Posted - 2008.04.17 06:15:00 - [16]
 

Here's my setup:

low:
1x LAR II
3-4 active hardeners II
0-2 MFS II
0-1 EANM II
0-1 DCU II
1 CPR

Med:
1x AB
1x Tracking Comp II
1x Omni Tracking Link
2x CR II

High:
4x 350mm II
2x drone links

Rigs:
1x Nano pump
2x CCC

Drones:
6x med
6x heavy
6x Sentry
mostly Kinetic or thermal, with exp for angels

Works like a charm for me with nearly maxed skills. I still have to find the mission where I need a 2nd LAR.
If you need more repping, take out the EANM or one of the MFS and put in a MAR, take out the Tracking Comp and put in another CR II. Don't take out the Onmit Tracking link. It's magic (or close to).


OneSock
Crown Industries
Posted - 2008.04.17 10:57:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: syphurous
My god, what over kill some of you have.

Advanced:

Zet4000, CR8, 8B8 ( Something like that, does cap bonus. ) implants.
Swap the LAR for an ANLAR, with the Zet4000 you'll rep over 1000 hp a cycle.


It's a shame the Zet4000 uses the same slot as the CX-2. CR8 makes sense, but what's the other one ?

Lord Ozu
Posted - 2008.04.17 11:28:00 - [18]
 

ive only got 3.4mil sp and have been doing lvl4's for 4 days now in my domi:

highs:
3 350mm rails
1 tractor beam
2 drone link augmentors

meds:
4 cap recharger II's
100mn AB

lows:
1600 plate
DCU II
LAR
Amarr EANM
3 rat specific hardners

rigs:
2 CCC
1 nano aux pump

drones:
3 Wasps
5 Ogres
5 Beserkers
5 Hammerheads

havent looked into sentry drones, but will do after reading this thread, seems like they are de riguer for domi's.
i do ok on lvl4's, admittedly they take a little longer than most due to my setup and skill level, only had to warp out once in a mission. i permarun the dcu and lar, and 2 active n-type hardners if necassary with cap remaining stable at 50%. as long as i keep my eye on enemy BS position and range i dont have any problems.

im sure ill get some negative response for posting this but i welcome any constructive criticism to point me in the right direction Smile

pinkers
Posted - 2008.04.17 12:00:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Jurgen Cartis
Originally by: Stefx

250mm guns are medium size. The Domi has a bonus for Large guns. Use dual 250mm guns instead, they are in the large category.



If your skills are poor (I.E. you lack Engineering V and some AWU) you'll frequently find that fitting Large Guns on a Dual LAR Dominix is difficult if not impossible without fitting mods. Dual 250mm Guns are better at high skills, but newer players will find the improved tracking of 250mms to be very useful. Before I started investing SP into Gunnery, I used 250mm guns to easily pop NPC destroyers. But seriously, on a starting Dominix fit, 80% of your DPS is coming from the drones. The guns are as much decoration as they are firepower on many setups.

Originally by: Leelo Atriedes
Edited by: Leelo Atriedes on 16/04/2008 11:07:49
Originally by: Matting
ummm Drones? Razz



Yeah, lots of Drones!

Load different ones depending on enemies, and don't forget the Sentries!

I haven't exactly tried what fits in Drone Bay, but around 15-20 drones depending on their size.
Plenty of spares if you let them out too early and they take a beating.
Or use different categorys; repair drones and the like to support your Domi.


Don't bring repair drones for missions, they're only useful for repairing gangmates.

Again, your drone loadout will change with your skills. At first, bring Sentries, Heavies and Mediums/Lights. The Sentries are for killing enemies as they approach, then swap out to other drones you can't hit rats with Sentries anymore. Later, once you can afford to drop some tank, you can start dropping Cap 2s for Omnis to really make Sentries shine.

Dominix setup for someone new to L4s:

Lowslots:
2x LAR II
4x Mission Specific Hardener II
1x DCU II/Beta CPR

Midslots:
5x Cap Recharger II

Highslots:
4-6 Guns of your choice
0-2 Drone Link Augmentors

Rigs:
CCCs until it's cap stable enough for you, then fill the rest with Aux Nano Pumps.

Drone Loadout:
5x Sentry
5x Heavy
5x Medium T2
5x Light T2
50m3 of spares

This setup is definitely overtanked. You'll be glad it is when you do something like warp into a mission and immediately kill a trigger spawn.

Later, you can reduce the tank, fit omnis, fit heavier guns, and swap the Heavy Drones out for Garde II sentry drones.


Thanks, i think i'll be using this setup until i feel confident to start pulling off the tank for more gank.

Valentina Gallatoire
Posted - 2008.04.17 21:30:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: pinkers

Thanks, i think i'll be using this setup until i feel confident to start pulling off the tank for more gank.


Good setup. Good plan. Your skills and mission style will determine what and how much stuff you replace. Using the full 7low/5mid/3rig tank you should be able to tank the full spawns of every mission given by Amarr-faction agents except in rare cases when multiple damage-type rats are present. I use this setup when I need to afk the higher dps missions like the second room of the Assault (Guristas) and Pirate Invasion. (Sansha) I think you will probably swap out a CR2 for an AB2 at some point to speed things up, but the best advice for any Domi pilot is to start with the ironclad tank and then let your experience and preference dictate the changes.

syphurous
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
Posted - 2008.04.17 23:18:00 - [21]
 

Drop the 1600 plates people, you dont need them.

Ethaet
Gallente
Aliastra
Posted - 2008.04.18 12:00:00 - [22]
 

Definitely, plates are next to useless on mission ships, you wither can tank the dps, or you can't and will need to warp out. Plates for mission running are a waste of a lowslot, and, especially on a domi, of powergrid.

Xev Bellringer
Beyond the Infinite Horizon
Posted - 2008.04.22 03:47:00 - [23]
 

Permatank (requires cap skills at 5)

High
4x Dual 250mm Railgun II
2x Drone Link Augmentor

Med
5x Cap Recharger II

Low
2x Large Armor Repairer II
3x Active Armor Hardener II (mission specific)
1x Energized Adaptive Nano II
1x Damage Control II

Rig
2x Capacitor Control Circuit
1x Auxilary Nano Pump

Drones
5ea light/med/heavy Tech 2
5x Sentry

This beast can run all the armor tank modules indef. w/ guns off. With guns on it will last ~5 minutes till dry capacitor.

ReaperOfSly
Gallente
Underworld Protection Agency
South Pole Dancers
Posted - 2008.04.22 09:34:00 - [24]
 

I use:

High: Tractor beam, Drone link aug, 2x salvager, 2xremote armour rep
Mid: 100mn AB 2, fleeting web, 2 cap rechargers, 1 omnidirectional tracking link for drones
Low: LAR2, DCU2, EANM2, 3x T2 active hardners (exp, therm, kin), 1x any-old-crap

Rigs: 2x CCC, 1x Aux nano pump

I also got an implant for 3% extra armour repair.

For drones, I mostly rely on Ogre 2 and Garde 2. With the omnilink, even my ogres can hit the annoying 30k frigate NPCs.

AppleBanana
Posted - 2008.04.22 10:04:00 - [25]
 

dont listen to these fools just fit all plates, you should be able to kill all the rats before they kill you since youll have a ton of hp


 

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