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Alte Schabracke
Gallente
University of Caille
Posted - 2008.04.16 12:02:00 - [421]
 

Originally by: The Cursed
Fighting carebear allainces is not a test of true allaince power. I've read this thread and i would have to say at this point im embarrassed to ever say i've fought along side of some of these insurgency players. You won a lag battle on your terms to a allaince who made a stupid move on the battlefield and your gloating about it. When you win a real fight agaisnt a real allaince please flame away kids but till then try not making your allaince look stupid bc at this point you guys are doing a great job.


Isn`t that exactly what BOB does since 1 year ?

Gamesguy
Amarr
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
Posted - 2008.04.16 12:04:00 - [422]
 

Originally by: Alyth
Originally by: Gamesguy
Originally by: queen1121

Do you remember RZR/MM doing anything last year? Like something someone would remember?

I don't.


Last year? RZR/MM has:

1: Lost and retook Tenal

2. Took Branch from about a 6-8k man coalition of Mpire, fatal, FS, etc(this was the first "New North").

3. Took Querious

4. Took Fountain(I'm not sure on this, but didnt MM end up taking the last station in fountain after smash failed like 5 times in a row?).


As previously mentioned, they did how much of that on their own?


Retaking tenal was done entirely on their own. Even though they theoretically had a large coalition against Branch, razor/mm did by far most of the heavy lifting, the decisive fights, the first battle of bkg it was just rzr/mm/us, 2nd was just rzr/mm. Although we did wipe out FS for them in the mean time.

Querious is the Bob war. Smash took most of fountain with basically no resistance IIRC, except for the last station which bob defended. After they packed up, MM came in and took it from bob.

Andreus Ixiris
Gallente
Mixed Metaphor
Posted - 2008.04.16 12:06:00 - [423]
 

Originally by: Peoke
so the smack changed from a 800 man fleet to the old north starting a war.


Is this like the time you managed to lose a 200 man gate camp to about 50ish people in BWF-ZZ? You know, the gatecamp where we had a 2:1 ratio of e-war? The one where a lot of people, me included, lost our ships because we were told by ROADKILL's inept fleet commander that it was safe to warp to the gate when almost the entire enemy fleet was present with two interdictors?

Yeah, you're really in a position to lecture about tactics here, Peoke Wink

Originally by: Peoke
Is insurgency scared that on day 2 they have to come up with more excuses to spin this. Tri at least own up to what they do, they understand ****ing every person off will get them mad enough to come for them sooner or later.


Just... just... wow, Peoke. Do you understand the concept of irony? Have you ever taken a LOOK at what you say on the forums? Seriously? Do you have even a vague conception of how much people hate SMASHKILL due to your antics? And Emperor's antics before yours, for that matter - he was pretty bad, but you're worse. You're a terrible leader and your diplomacy skills are, let's face it, abyssmal. There was trouble with Red Alliance and PURE the whole time I was in your alliance because you were too self-obsessed to make some compromises.

But then again, you also couldn't tolerate anyone knowing that there were people in your alliance who couldn't deal with your abuse of power, were there? Laughing

Originally by: Peoke
Theres only enough tolerance for what tri did and does for so long insurgency came in to late.


Wait, what? That's indecipherable. How does someone who can't spell to the standard of a ten-year-old get put in charge of an alliance?

Originally by: Peoke
Plz try and pin it on the old north whats next add bob in there or goons or south vs north. I remeber in some chat i had someone in insurgency stated something like that.


I remember in "some chat" once there was a vote of no confidence to which exactly half of the corporations voted against you, which you couldn't accept because you're a control freak Laughing

Once again, Peoke, gb2WoW. Then again, you may find some of the concepts too complex.

Alyth
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2008.04.16 12:07:00 - [424]
 

Originally by: Gamesguy
Originally by: Alyth
Originally by: Gamesguy
Originally by: queen1121

Do you remember RZR/MM doing anything last year? Like something someone would remember?

I don't.


Last year? RZR/MM has:

1: Lost and retook Tenal

2. Took Branch from about a 6-8k man coalition of Mpire, fatal, FS, etc(this was the first "New North").

3. Took Querious

4. Took Fountain(I'm not sure on this, but didnt MM end up taking the last station in fountain after smash failed like 5 times in a row?).


As previously mentioned, they did how much of that on their own?


Retaking tenal was done entirely on their own. Even though they theoretically had a large coalition against Branch, razor/mm did by far most of the heavy lifting, the decisive fights, the first battle of bkg it was just rzr/mm/us, 2nd was just rzr/mm. Although we did wipe out FS for them in the mean time.

Querious is the Bob war. Smash took most of fountain with basically no resistance IIRC, except for the last station which bob defended. After they packed up, MM came in and took it from bob.


Twas meant as more of a catch up to me heh, haven't followed 0.0 politics since 2005 really Embarassed. Still though, you mention MM/RZR a couple of times in the post, did they not do anything themselves except retake Tenal?

Gamesguy
Amarr
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
Posted - 2008.04.16 12:09:00 - [425]
 

Originally by: Minigin


Last year? RZR/MM has:

1: Lost tenal to an organised 500man pvp force and retook Tenal after MC withdrew.


Bull****. MC had a LARGE coalition with them when they killed D2. And we all know how invulnerable motherships were back then.

Quote:
2. Took Branch from about a 6-8k man coalition of Mpire, fatal, FS, etc(this was the first "New North"). who were totally disorganised and got blobbed hardcore by a 10k combined coalition.


That blob only existed on paper. Most of the alliance in the "10k blob" sent like 5 guys.

Quote:
4. Took Fountain(I'm not sure on this, but didnt MM end up taking the last station in fountain after smash failed like 5 times in a row?). you are comparing them to smash?

my point isn't that razor is bad at all.

i in fact think that they have achieved well over the last year. but i think what frustrates a lot of people is that they are undeniably one of the lead entity's in the nap/blobfest of the north. For a long time people have complained about that and i think perhaps blame the larger entitys in these naps justly or unjustly(regardless) taking away from their achievements by arguing as i just have above.



I think people vastly overestimate "the blob". Most of those numbers are meaningless. Yes it looks like a lot of people on paper, but how many of those 10k actually fight in a sustained campaign?

hi2urpod
Caldari
Perkone
Posted - 2008.04.16 12:13:00 - [426]
 

Originally by: Spyra Gryra
you beeter not kkep postig bad things abot rozor or else erncest will post in this threah asnd he is bad man whoy gwets veery corss. spike sis a large ***** and veery annoying however. viva ler revaltutiouion! i liike rzr they are strong but number gamed will undo the good timeas of yore in the north followed by destruestion of mai9n fleet and super caps no pw at pos = death to nyx bad times loom perhaps gfind out next week massive respect to all invovled in this you are an inspeiretion to me and many more o7 o7 o7 o7 o7 o7


yes you r the right.if ernist finds this poast he may killa pandas. i foresee aloto hate done on ts and piluts telld they failz. maybe like when he pileted teh nyx he will be chillax bout losing mothaships like under disco name he was. i dun think possible but swill see sypra gets the nugty clown shoe! 070707

Spyra Gryra
Amarr
Cruoris Seraphim
Exalted.
Posted - 2008.04.16 12:17:00 - [427]
 

Originally by: hi2urpod
Originally by: Spyra Gryra
you beeter not kkep postig bad things abot rozor or else erncest will post in this threah asnd he is bad man whoy gwets veery corss. spike sis a large ***** and veery annoying however. viva ler revaltutiouion! i liike rzr they are strong but number gamed will undo the good timeas of yore in the north followed by destruestion of mai9n fleet and super caps no pw at pos = death to nyx bad times loom perhaps gfind out next week massive respect to all invovled in this you are an inspeiretion to me and many more o7 o7 o7 o7 o7 o7


yes you r the right.if ernist finds this poast he may killa pandas. i foresee aloto hate done on ts and piluts telld they failz. maybe like when he pileted teh nyx he will be chillax bout losing mothaships like under disco name he was. i dun think possible but swill see sypra gets the nugty clown shoe! 070707


why wony pandas haff sex with esxhother, we afe trying to hel[p threm and they wont put the peen in hole. please spank with with clowns 070707

Phoenicia
Caldari
hirr
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2008.04.16 12:18:00 - [428]
 

I got ignored out of the smackfest Crying or Very sad


I HAVE FEELINGS TOO YA KNOW! Evil or Very Mad

Minigin
Caldari
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2008.04.16 12:22:00 - [429]
 

Originally by: Gamesguy
avoiding pyramid quote


and here is why i say it doesn't matter what the truth is... they could have done it alone... they could have had support its hard to tell(and from memory, they did have a lot of help in BKG from several alliances)...

but the fact is, while they remain napped to everyone and their mother, no one will give them any respect for their achievements, because it is conceivable that they are winning because their allies are assisting them rather than just being capable pvpers.

besides... if as you say they are capable of doing it alone, why are they not?

hi2urpod
Caldari
Perkone
Posted - 2008.04.16 12:28:00 - [430]
 

Originally by: Spyra Gryra
Originally by: hi2urpod
Originally by: Spyra Gryra
you beeter not kkep postig bad things abot rozor or else erncest will post in this threah asnd he is bad man whoy gwets veery corss. spike sis a large ***** and veery annoying however. viva ler revaltutiouion! i liike rzr they are strong but number gamed will undo the good timeas of yore in the north followed by destruestion of mai9n fleet and super caps no pw at pos = death to nyx bad times loom perhaps gfind out next week massive respect to all invovled in this you are an inspeiretion to me and many more o7 o7 o7 o7 o7 o7


yes you r the right.if ernist finds this poast he may killa pandas. i foresee aloto hate done on ts and piluts telld they failz. maybe like when he pileted teh nyx he will be chillax bout losing mothaships like under disco name he was. i dun think possible but swill see sypra gets the nugty clown shoe! 070707


why wony pandas haff sex with esxhother, we afe trying to hel[p threm and they wont put the peen in hole. please spank with with clowns 070707


if thry haf teh bumpy sixy time. i dun thenk thry wood be as importanted as thry r now. it r lika conspriky to kiip thrm inportamt. u get the pandea cliwn shoez! 070707

ry ry
Amarr
Heroes.
Merciless.
Posted - 2008.04.16 12:37:00 - [431]
 

Edited by: ry ry on 16/04/2008 12:39:59
Originally by: "everybody"
random crap

very good. you can all talk the talk. lets see who can walk the walk, eh?

edit. i fail at making quotes.

Mikkarra
Gallente
Northstar Cabal
Important Internet Spaceship League
Posted - 2008.04.16 12:43:00 - [432]
 

Any updates on 4dt and various activities thereabouts over the last 12 hours?

CAP fleets blinking about, a trigger happy titan pilot and towers going up.

oh noes this must be the end! YARRRR!!

Pao Tui
Amarr
Ministry of War
Posted - 2008.04.16 12:45:00 - [433]
 

fs+mpire+fatal+cow = less than 4k ppl (where tri see 8k people? stop use drugs plz)

fatal (1300/1400 )
fallen souls (1900+)
cow (500-600)
mpire 1100-1300)

vs

stellapolar (500+)
rare faction (500+)
giant amoeba space 500+
razor 1200+
morsus mihi 1500+
hydra 1200+
triumvirate 1400+
praesidium libertatis 600+
phalanx 600+
phoenix 500+
mostly harmless 900+
rule of three 800+
combined planetary union 500+
pure 1000+ ?
iron 1000+ ?

+ rarely apparition of ka-tet- small group of goons etc.

+ some pet of all this alliance
+ some single corp allied of all this alliance
+ some mercenary sometimes



presence of razor on theyr own war was like 10-15% of total..... (first attack of bkg was like 550 tri-razor-mm etc vs 300 fs-fatal-cow-mpire) (bkg reach 830 on local then crash)

and only whit triumvirate on theyr side razor & co win(unless theyr already goth a big coalition they fail terrible 2 times to take bkg and cow space)

ps: i am going by memory for sure i not remember some other allied of the razor nap festival




Katherine Marx
Caldari
Muff Diving
Posted - 2008.04.16 12:53:00 - [434]
 

Originally by: Minigin
Originally by: Gamesguy
Originally by: queen1121

Do you remember RZR/MM doing anything last year? Like something someone would remember?

I don't.

stuff





Last year? RZR/MM has:

1: Lost tenal to an organised 500man pvp force and retook Tenal after MC withdrew.

2. Took Branch from about a 6-8k man coalition of Mpire, fatal, FS, etc(this was the first "New North"). who were totally disorganised and got blobbed hardcore by a 10k combined coalition.

3. Took Querious with the backing of a 20k combined coalition

4. Took Fountain(I'm not sure on this, but didnt MM end up taking the last station in fountain after smash failed like 5 times in a row?). you are comparing them to smash?

my point isn't that razor is bad at all.

i in fact think that they have achieved well over the last year. but i think what frustrates a lot of people is that they are undeniably one of the lead entity's in the nap/blobfest of the north. For a long time people have complained about that and i think perhaps blame the larger entitys in these naps justly or unjustly(regardless) taking away from their achievements by arguing as i just have above.



INSURG chose to start this war and now you want to dictate its terms as well? I'm sorry but all of this ******edness on the forum is going to get you nowhere. You won the first fleet fight and immediately 200 posts go up on eve-o forums about how super duper your little alliance of carriers is. I would save the words for in game and quit crying mountain sized tears all over the place because the northern coalition is better than you.

Skrypt
Gallente
Body Count Inc.
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2008.04.16 13:00:00 - [435]
 

Come out, come out, where ever you are. Skryptipooh wants to play.

Only shooting stars break the mold

Quote:
It's a cool place and they say it gets colder
You're bundled up now but wait 'til you get older
But the meteor men beg to differ
Judging by the hole in the satellite picture
The ice we skate is getting pretty thin
The waters getting warm so you might as well swim
My world's on fire how about yours
That's the way I like it and I'll never get bored

Butter Dog
Gallente
The Monocled Elite
Posted - 2008.04.16 13:02:00 - [436]
 

Originally by: Katherine Marx

INSURG chose to start this war


We're glad it has started, because we will enjoy it. Its what the alliance was formed for, and what every corporation who joins is told. We're about fighting.

However, your quoted text is factually inaccurate.


Knat
Minmatar
Bite me inc.
Narwhals Ate My Duck
Posted - 2008.04.16 13:04:00 - [437]
 

Originally by: Butter Dog
We're about fighting.


Except you, You're about talking. And you were not this annoying when you were in ISS either.


Jorin Molinn
Caldari
Haluter
Freelancer Coalition
Posted - 2008.04.16 13:16:00 - [438]
 

Originally by: Katherine Marx

INSURG chose to start this war and now you want to dictate its terms as well? I'm sorry but all of this ******edness on the forum is going to get you nowhere. You won the first fleet fight and immediately 200 posts go up on eve-o forums about how super duper your little alliance of carriers is. I would save the words for in game and quit crying mountain sized tears all over the place because the northern coalition is better than you.


Ok ill take this bait since nobody bothered to quote my last post ^^

Of Course we want to dictate the rules of war, it will increase our chances of winning so whats the deal exactly ?

As for crying ... i dont see us whining (at least not yet ;) ) since up to now were doing quite good mind you.

Cheers and <3,
Jorin

Butter Dog
Gallente
The Monocled Elite
Posted - 2008.04.16 13:19:00 - [439]
 

Originally by: Knat
Originally by: Butter Dog
We're about fighting.


Except you, You're about talking. And you were not this annoying when you were in ISS either.




I resent that comment. I was exceptionally annoying in ISS Razz




Mikkarra
Gallente
Northstar Cabal
Important Internet Spaceship League
Posted - 2008.04.16 13:24:00 - [440]
 

Originally by: Butter Dog
Originally by: Knat
Originally by: Butter Dog
We're about fighting.


Except you, You're about talking. And you were not this annoying when you were in ISS either.




I resent that comment. I was exceptionally annoying in ISS Razz




You think he's annoying here, you should have to listen to him in alliance chat! Wink

Sean Avery
Caldari
Setenta Corp
-Mostly Harmless-
Posted - 2008.04.16 13:26:00 - [441]
 

Originally by: Pao Tui
fs+mpire+fatal+cow = less than 4k ppl (where tri see 8k people? stop use drugs plz)

fatal (1300/1400 )
fallen souls (1900+)
cow (500-600)
mpire 1100-1300)

vs

stellapolar (500+)
rare faction (500+)
giant amoeba space 500+
razor 1200+
morsus mihi 1500+
hydra 1200+
triumvirate 1400+
praesidium libertatis 600+
phalanx 600+
phoenix 500+
mostly harmless 900+
rule of three 800+
combined planetary union 500+
pure 1000+ ?
iron 1000+ ?

+ rarely apparition of ka-tet- small group of goons etc.

+ some pet of all this alliance
+ some single corp allied of all this alliance
+ some mercenary sometimes



presence of razor on theyr own war was like 10-15% of total..... (first attack of bkg was like 550 tri-razor-mm etc vs 300 fs-fatal-cow-mpire) (bkg reach 830 on local then crash)

and only whit triumvirate on theyr side razor & co win(unless theyr already goth a big coalition they fail terrible 2 times to take bkg and cow space)

ps: i am going by memory for sure i not remember some other allied of the razor nap festival






I can personally say that until about the last week of that war that the CPU presence was myself and maybe 3-4 others. 3 or 4 out of 500. I'm sure this can be applied to a lot of the other alliances mentioned also. Not until we moved on the 304 constellation in M.Pire space was my former alliance heavily involved.

gamarus
Caldari
Ridiculously Proposed Guildname
Posted - 2008.04.16 13:45:00 - [442]
 

Originally by: Marshall Knight
id like to say one thing in regards to hydra.

We had reports of a hostile tri gang 4 jumps away. SO we decided we were gonna safe up and not sit on gate. funny thing was when command to align was given phalanx decided to jump us. Unfortunatly we were litrally warping as a fleet as this happened.a bit of confusion insued within the fleet as to the tri gang and the Fc gave the order to log off which in hindsight was a little bit of a mistake and unfortunatly some of our guys killed a buzzard and were agressed so when they logged off they were still on scan and proberable. this is why we had some problems getting back on etc, and well lesson has hopefully been learned. either way you cant include us in the bkg fight statistics. So please stop doing that.

All thats to be said form hydra point of view.

Good job to the northern guys though for going ahead with the op shame we had this little mess up.




You were right, I was in that TRI gang. We were 13 so when a PA scout informed me that there were a Hydra gang with 60+ BS we turned tails - to be rebuffed by a 35 man Co2 BS gang - recoiled back through n0c seeing only 1 Hydra (we got him Razz).

Trinity Trixx
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2008.04.16 13:45:00 - [443]
 

All of this chatter about past events is... dull tbh and attempts to cloud the events of the present. What happened in the past is in the past. It's fun (or not so fun depending) to think about for sure.

This is the present and Insurgency just had a victory. Numbers can be impressive - no matter how you sum it up i.e. 2 to 1, 3 to 1, 4 to 1 but it's just that...numbers. At the end of the day, we won. How it was accomplished or with any combination of numbers is a moot point because we still a victory.

It seems to me that many criticize us for doing exactly what you would do if the shoe were on the other foot. There is not one single alliance/corp/alts that have posted in this thread that has not boasted of their successes on these forums (if you had a success) at one time or another. So for any of you to to chastize us for doing the same just puts egg on your face - which is fine, we enjoy laughing at you about it.

Just remember a few simple facts everyone:

ArrowInsurgency has won a few and lost a few and we accept both with open arms. The former makes us strong and the latter makes us even stronger.
ArrowWe enjoy victory just the same as anyone else playing this game.
ArrowWe pvp and kill stuff and all other aspects of the game are there to be utilized at our convenience or discarded because we can't be bothered.

Oh and on a side note, I was there for the fight as well. Desynced all to hell (died and it took 2 hours and a crashed client to get back into game in a station Embarassed), but it was still fun to listen as we conquered the field. Cheers to our leadership!

Trin

Reacz
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2008.04.16 13:58:00 - [444]
 

Edited by: Reacz on 16/04/2008 13:59:32
Originally by: Trinity Trixx
CLEVER STUFF


Stop posting, your making us look bad. :P Laughing

Mr Trouble
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2008.04.16 14:24:00 - [445]
 

And who said alts don't start interesting threads?

Insurgency - nice work winning the first engagement, nothing wrong with a bit of forum gloating though of course the other side will think of it as 'smack' but thats just bitterness.... however you have a long way to go in this conflict but no doubt your morale is high at the moment.

Coalition - I'm sure you'll take some space from INSRG with your sheer weight of numbers, will be interesting to see how much they make you bleed for it


Reacz
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2008.04.16 14:39:00 - [446]
 

Edited by: Reacz on 16/04/2008 14:44:23
Guys, guys, stop this war and listen to INSURG radio instead.

Cool

Fuglife
Gallente
De-ja-vU
TORTUGA CARTEL
Posted - 2008.04.16 15:00:00 - [447]
 

This thread is super lame

Andreus Ixiris
Gallente
Mixed Metaphor
Posted - 2008.04.16 15:13:00 - [448]
 

Originally by: Reacz
Edited by: Reacz on 16/04/2008 14:44:23
Guys, guys, stop this war and listen to INSURG radio instead.

Cool



This.

Skoot
Gallente
Local Threat
Posted - 2008.04.16 16:04:00 - [449]
 

Originally by: Reacz
Edited by: Reacz on 16/04/2008 14:44:23
Guys, guys, stop this war and listen to INSURG radio instead.

Cool



although probably not the best idea since we are dumb and the DJ's give out intel thinking only alliance members are listening.

Darth Kenzie
Amarr
Killer Koalas
Kingdom of Butan
Posted - 2008.04.16 16:11:00 - [450]
 

TBH i have alot of respect for RAZOR/MM. Yeah other powers in the North were around and helping out but from what I recall they were the main force in organizing and maning operations. Just how I remember it though.

Anyways I think its going to be a lot of fun getting into brawls with them over the next few months... lets hope the servers are up for it.


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