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Dyaven
Nexus.6
The Jagged Alliance
Posted - 2008.04.01 18:39:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Dyaven on 01/04/2008 18:39:45
So, I'm thinking of upgrading my Vexor to a Myrmidon soon. However, it seems like while ratting it does less/equal DPS compared to the Vexor unless it's gankfit, which isn't very efficient for ratting. Of course, it's got 5x the effective HP of my Vexor, but I don't really have too many tanking problems in my Vexor. Here's the setup I came up with:

[Myrmidon, Ratting]
800mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Medium Inefficient Armor Repair Unit
N-Type Thermic Hardener I
N-Type Thermic Hardener I
N-Type Kinetic Hardener I
N-Type Kinetic Hardener I

Y-S8 Hydrocarbon I Afterburners
Large Peroxide I Capacitor Power Cell
Fixed Parallel Link-Capacitor I
Fixed Parallel Link-Capacitor I
Fixed Parallel Link-Capacitor I

150mm 'Scout' I Accelerator Cannon, Antimatter Charge S
150mm 'Scout' I Accelerator Cannon, Antimatter Charge S
150mm 'Scout' I Accelerator Cannon, Antimatter Charge S
150mm 'Scout' I Accelerator Cannon, Antimatter Charge S
Medium 'Knave' I Energy Drain
Medium 'Knave' I Energy Drain

[empty rig slot]
[empty rig slot]
[empty rig slot]

Hammerhead I x5
Hammerhead I x5
Hammerhead I x5


Kusha'an
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2008.04.01 18:57:00 - [2]
 

I'm assuming you're ratting in lowsec or 0.0? Putting small guns on your Myrm is fail/gimp/silly. Put at least 200mm on there, slap on a drone link augmentor for range, and upgrade to T2 Hammerheads. Also swap out the AB for a drone nav computer so your drones will get to target superfast. Also, upgrade your cap rechargers to T2.

Then you'll pwn the rats.

Liang Nuren
Posted - 2008.04.01 19:01:00 - [3]
 

Can you post a link to your skills on ineve?

I've done 0.0 ratting in -1.0 space in a Vexor, Myrm, and Ishtar.

Use EFT, and set your Myrm to tank about 250 DPS (perma) without nos (all kin/thm damage) and then focus on gank.

I think your setup will come out looking something like:
4x blasters
10mn MWD, web, 3x cap recharger
MAR, 3x kin, thm, 2x MFS
<optional armor rigs>

-Liang

Dyaven
Nexus.6
The Jagged Alliance
Posted - 2008.04.01 19:04:00 - [4]
 

Yes, 0.0 ratting. And, well, the highest I can fit are Dual 150mm's, and EFT showed that they have less damage per volley but the same same DPS as the ones I have on now.

Dyaven
Nexus.6
The Jagged Alliance
Posted - 2008.04.01 19:07:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Liang Nuren
Can you post a link to your skills on ineve?

I've done 0.0 ratting in -1.0 space in a Vexor, Myrm, and Ishtar.

Use EFT, and set your Myrm to tank about 250 DPS (perma) without nos (all kin/thm damage) and then focus on gank.

I think your setup will come out looking something like:
4x blasters
10mn MWD, web, 3x cap recharger
MAR, 3x kin, thm, 2x MFS
<optional armor rigs>

-Liang


Here are my skills: http://ineve.net/skills/character.php?charID=MTU5MzI0MjA2NA%3D%3D

Dyaven
Nexus.6
The Jagged Alliance
Posted - 2008.04.01 19:21:00 - [6]
 

Ooh, Blasters use less PG than Rails? Didn't know that. xD Here's a new setup, it can permarun everything except the AB.

[Myrmidon, Ratting]
800mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Medium Inefficient Armor Repair Unit
N-Type Thermic Hardener I
N-Type Thermic Hardener I
N-Type Kinetic Hardener I
N-Type Kinetic Hardener I

Y-S8 Hydrocarbon I Afterburners
Large Peroxide I Capacitor Power Cell
Fixed Parallel Link-Capacitor I
Fixed Parallel Link-Capacitor I
Fixed Parallel Link-Capacitor I

Anode Electron Particle Cannon I, Antimatter Charge M
Anode Electron Particle Cannon I, Antimatter Charge M
Anode Electron Particle Cannon I, Antimatter Charge M
Anode Electron Particle Cannon I, Antimatter Charge M
Anode Electron Particle Cannon I, Antimatter Charge M
Medium 'Knave' I Energy Drain

[empty rig slot]
[empty rig slot]
[empty rig slot]

Hammerhead I x5
Hammerhead I x5
Hammerhead I x5

Liang Nuren
Posted - 2008.04.01 19:27:00 - [7]
 

Edited by: Liang Nuren on 01/04/2008 19:29:17
So, you're not going to want the plate. You'd be better off trading the plate for a third kinetic hardener, a CPR, a MAR, or a MFS.

Ratting is all about DPS and sustainability - and plates aren't exactly sustainable.

-Liang

Ed: BTW, I commend you for going to 0.0 with your skills, and proving to people that you can do it. And your fits aren't too bad either - if I'm online, feel free to convo me for tips/questions/pointers.

Furb Killer
Gallente
Posted - 2008.04.01 19:36:00 - [8]
 

Edited by: Furb Killer on 01/04/2008 19:43:38
Edited by: Furb Killer on 01/04/2008 19:40:14
Train energy grid upgrades to lvl 3 for t2 cap rechargers.



[Myrmidon, Rat]
Medium Inefficient Armor Repair Unit
N-Type Thermic Hardener I
N-Type Thermic Hardener I
N-Type Kinetic Hardener I
N-Type Kinetic Hardener I
Beta Reactor Control: Capacitor Power Relay I

Y-S8 Hydrocarbon I Afterburners
Fixed Parallel Link-Capacitor I
Fixed Parallel Link-Capacitor I
Fixed Parallel Link-Capacitor I
Fixed Parallel Link-Capacitor I

Limited Neutron Blaster I, Antimatter Charge M
Limited Neutron Blaster I, Antimatter Charge M
Limited Neutron Blaster I, Antimatter Charge M
Limited Neutron Blaster I, Antimatter Charge M
Limited Neutron Blaster I, Antimatter Charge M
Limited Neutron Blaster I, Antimatter Charge M

[empty rig slot]
[empty rig slot]
[empty rig slot]

Hammerhead II x5

I suppose with engineering lvl IV you dont have enough powergrid, then just change some neutron blasters to ion. Imo there is no need to be able to perma run your repper. It wont take you that long to deal with rats, and when warping to next place your cap can recharge. So i would change the cap power relay for a mfs, or eanm/dc.

Liang Nuren
Posted - 2008.04.01 19:38:00 - [9]
 

Also, Eutectic cap rechargers are "best named", and drop in the region - so keep your eyes peeled!

-Liang

Dyaven
Nexus.6
The Jagged Alliance
Posted - 2008.04.01 19:41:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Liang Nuren
Edited by: Liang Nuren on 01/04/2008 19:29:17
So, you're not going to want the plate. You'd be better off trading the plate for a third kinetic hardener, a CPR, a MAR, or a MFS.

Ratting is all about DPS and sustainability - and plates aren't exactly sustainable.

-Liang

Ed: BTW, I commend you for going to 0.0 with your skills, and proving to people that you can do it. And your fits aren't too bad either - if I'm online, feel free to convo me for tips/questions/pointers.


Wow, thank you. ^^; I'm not living in 0.0 though, if it makes a difference. Just doing some 'ninja ratting' as I heard someone call it. There's a 0.0 system I found that's completely empty 99% of the time and the gate into the Region it's only camped about half the time, bringing a shuttle along makes sure I know it's not camped before I go in. ^^

Dyaven
Nexus.6
The Jagged Alliance
Posted - 2008.04.01 19:46:00 - [11]
 

Okay, I can run this for 3 minutes with the AB off, which should be plenty long enough for me to kill off most of the DPS and then only run 1 MAR permanently.

[Myrmidon, Ratting]
Medium Inefficient Armor Repair Unit
Medium Inefficient Armor Repair Unit
N-Type Thermic Hardener I
N-Type Thermic Hardener I
N-Type Kinetic Hardener I
N-Type Kinetic Hardener I

Y-S8 Hydrocarbon I Afterburners
Large Peroxide I Capacitor Power Cell
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II

Anode Electron Particle Cannon I, Antimatter Charge M
Anode Electron Particle Cannon I, Antimatter Charge M
Anode Electron Particle Cannon I, Antimatter Charge M
Anode Electron Particle Cannon I, Antimatter Charge M
Anode Electron Particle Cannon I, Antimatter Charge M
Anode Electron Particle Cannon I, Antimatter Charge M

[empty rig slot]
[empty rig slot]
[empty rig slot]

Hammerhead I x5
Hammerhead I x5
Hammerhead I x5

Furb Killer
Gallente
Posted - 2008.04.01 19:49:00 - [12]
 

Never did 0.0 ratting, but isnt double mar overkill?

I would change the cap power cell for a cap recharger, that frees much powergrid what can be used for larger guns. Then you destroy rat faster, and a dead rat doesnt shoot you.

Liang Nuren
Posted - 2008.04.01 19:50:00 - [13]
 

Edited by: Liang Nuren on 01/04/2008 19:50:48
Originally by: Dyaven
Okay, I can run this for 3 minutes with the AB off, which should be plenty long enough for me to kill off most of the DPS and then only run 1 MAR permanently.

[Myrmidon, Ratting]
Medium Inefficient Armor Repair Unit
Medium Inefficient Armor Repair Unit
N-Type Thermic Hardener I
N-Type Thermic Hardener I
N-Type Kinetic Hardener I
N-Type Kinetic Hardener I



Set your resist profile in EFT to be roughly 70/30 kin/thm, and see what that will tank.

I think you'll find it's way overkill - you probably only need the one rep.

Also, since you're ninja ratting, you'll want to make sure you pick up all the ammo you can from the rats (so don't spurn looting - put a tractor beam and a cloak on that puppy!)

The tractor to get wrecks faster (duh), and the cloak because people use scan probes to nail you in a safe spot :)

-Liang

Ed: Also, 3 kin, 1 thm hardener. Guristas destroyers might be slightly troublesome, but not bad (the 1.4M spawn)

Draaken
Caldari
hirr
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2008.04.01 20:14:00 - [14]
 

Edited by: Draaken on 01/04/2008 20:18:20
Originally by: Liang Nuren
I think your setup will come out looking something like:
4x blasters
10mn MWD, web, 3x cap recharger
MAR, 3x kin, thm, 2x MFS
<optional armor rigs>

-Liang


Your Myrmidon has an extra low-slot, who's your mechanic, I'd like to offer him a well-paid job! :)

Also, what's wrong with using Autocannons on the Myrm, considering that it doesn't get any bonus on guns, with ACs you'll be in range sooner and save cap compared to Blasters?

Anyways, in response to the original poster, my Myrmidon would look something like this:

6x 425mm Autocannon II (Barrage M)
(6x 425mm 'Scout' Autocannon I (Phased Plasma) alternatively)

1x Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
1x X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator
3x Cap Recharger II

1x Medium Armor Repairer II
1x Beta Reactor Control: Capacitor Power Relay I
1x Armor Thermic Hardener II
3x Armor Kinetic Hardener II

Ninja-edit:
Originally by: Liang Nuren
Set your resist profile in EFT to be roughly 70/30 kin/thm, and see what that will tank.

I thought it was more like 60/40 kin/therm? Have they changed rat damage lately?

Liang Nuren
Posted - 2008.04.01 20:16:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Draaken



Whoops. Sigh, I need to just start posting straight EFT fits. :-/

Anyway, yeah, AC's are fine, except he can't use them. He's got 1.5M SP.

-Liang

Draaken
Caldari
hirr
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2008.04.01 20:20:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Liang Nuren

Anyway, yeah, AC's are fine, except he can't use them. He's got 1.5M SP.

-Liang

I guess I should've checked his ineve link... Cool

Liang Nuren
Posted - 2008.04.01 20:24:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Draaken
I guess I should've checked his ineve link... Cool


Hehe, yeah, everyone makes "mistakes", though yours comes off as slightly less idiotic than mine :P

Anyway, just setup your resist profile to 70/30 kin/thm and then setup your tank for 250-300 DPS permatanked, and you'll have no problems ratting.

Then fit a cloak and a tractor beam - everything after that is golden.

Also, advice to the OP: consider joining one of the smaller 0.0 alliances... its tons of fun :)

-Liang

Evil Frenchman
Posted - 2008.04.01 20:29:00 - [18]
 

I used to rat in a Myrm against Serpentis, so the same setup can apply:

2x Heavy Ion Blaster IIs
4x Heavy Neutron IIs

1x 10mn MWD II
4x Cap Rech IIs

2x MAR IIs
2x Active Hardener IIs
2x Magstab IIs

2x Ogre IIs
2x Hammerhead IIs
1x Hobgob IIs

3x Aux rigs (I managed without)

The tank isn't superb, but I managed to kill triple 1.85m spawns before I needed to tank all that much damage Smile

Dyaven
Nexus.6
The Jagged Alliance
Posted - 2008.04.01 21:50:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Liang Nuren
Originally by: Draaken
I guess I should've checked his ineve link... Cool


Hehe, yeah, everyone makes "mistakes", though yours comes off as slightly less idiotic than mine :P

Anyway, just setup your resist profile to 70/30 kin/thm and then setup your tank for 250-300 DPS permatanked, and you'll have no problems ratting.

Then fit a cloak and a tractor beam - everything after that is golden.

Also, advice to the OP: consider joining one of the smaller 0.0 alliances... its tons of fun :)

-Liang


About the 70/30 kin/thermal, when I see the missiles hitting me, it seems like they're thermal more often than kinetic. Is it just me, or are theyre missiles thermal and guns kinetic or something?

Liang Nuren
Posted - 2008.04.01 23:40:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Dyaven

About the 70/30 kin/thermal, when I see the missiles hitting me, it seems like they're thermal more often than kinetic. Is it just me, or are theyre missiles thermal and guns kinetic or something?


Guristas use kinetic missiles, and the guns are 50/50, IIRC.

-Liang

Wet Ferret
Posted - 2008.04.02 12:38:00 - [21]
 

Use Vespa drones. Especially if you don't have Gallente drone spec trained.

Dyaven
Nexus.6
The Jagged Alliance
Posted - 2008.04.02 13:25:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Wet Ferret
Use Vespa drones. Especially if you don't have Gallente drone spec trained.


Should I use Vespa IIs? The only reason I haven't trained Gallente Drone Spec is because Hammerhead IIs are so damn expensive, and training the skill would be a waste atm because I wouldn't be using it yet.

Wet Ferret
Posted - 2008.04.02 13:33:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Dyaven
Originally by: Wet Ferret
Use Vespa drones. Especially if you don't have Gallente drone spec trained.


Should I use Vespa IIs? The only reason I haven't trained Gallente Drone Spec is because Hammerhead IIs are so damn expensive, and training the skill would be a waste atm because I wouldn't be using it yet.


Yes, at equal skill levels the kinetic drones will do more damage vs Guristas whether you use T1 or T2.

Slagie
Posted - 2008.04.02 15:38:00 - [24]
 

Edited by: Slagie on 02/04/2008 15:40:59
Edited by: Slagie on 02/04/2008 15:38:49
ok just thought i would throw my setup outthere, my idea with this is i want to be able to keep tanking if i need to go afk for anyreason in a belt...not saying i would cause that would just be stupid...but at least my tank would keep running. ok this is what i run for only ratting.
(high)
5x 250mm railgun I
(med)
5x cap recharger II
(low)
1xMAR II
1xDCU II
3xactive kinetic hardener I
1xactive thermic hardener I
(drones)
1xHornet II
2xVespa II
2xWasp I

i should also mention that im ratting in a system controlled by my corp so i can jump to a pos and change ships if anyone jumps in, so you might not like this setup idk just thought i would throw it out there.


Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2008.04.02 15:58:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Liang Nuren
Originally by: Dyaven

About the 70/30 kin/thermal, when I see the missiles hitting me, it seems like they're thermal more often than kinetic. Is it just me, or are theyre missiles thermal and guns kinetic or something?


Guristas use kinetic missiles, and the guns are 50/50, IIRC.

-Liang


The Guristas frigates often use thermal missiles, but the BC/BS use kinetics.

Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2008.04.02 15:59:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Wet Ferret
Originally by: Dyaven
Originally by: Wet Ferret
Use Vespa drones. Especially if you don't have Gallente drone spec trained.


Should I use Vespa IIs? The only reason I haven't trained Gallente Drone Spec is because Hammerhead IIs are so damn expensive, and training the skill would be a waste atm because I wouldn't be using it yet.


Yes, at equal skill levels the kinetic drones will do more damage vs Guristas whether you use T1 or T2.


The Vespas are also faster, meaning they'll start doing damage sooner.

Maverick 52
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2008.04.02 18:43:00 - [27]
 

I used a shield tank setup against guristas and it worked great.

6x SPR II's
4x LSE II's
1x T2 Kinetic Hardener (active) or 1x 10mn AB
1x Cloak
1x Tractor Beam
4x 650mm Artillery

3x Core Defence Purgers if you want rigs

Works good for doing anomalies or probed complex's, should tank around 1000 DPS from rats if fully setup for tank.


 

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