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Canis Trucido
Posted - 2008.03.30 20:47:00 - [1]
 

What do you think is the best Battle Cruiser for PVP purposes?

Pretend that they are all flown by pilots capable of fieling t2 equipment

I vote Myrm

powerful tank, powerful DPS (6 turrets and 75 mb of drones)

you guys now

ImmortaL ZoorZ
Cruoris Seraphim
Exalted.
Posted - 2008.03.30 20:52:00 - [2]
 

The Myrm is good but I just love the gank brutix.... just wait afew seconds to decloak before ur gang m8s do but tbh the myrm and the annao harb have got great dps...

Niffetin
Gallente
Aliastra
Posted - 2008.03.30 21:18:00 - [3]
 

Harbinger / Hurricane, no questions asked.

Julius Romanus
Amarr
Posted - 2008.03.30 21:18:00 - [4]
 

Gank: harbinger
Tank/Gank: Pvp drake or myrm.
Gank/being able to run away: Hurricane.

Deschenus Maximus
Amarr
Digital Fury Corporation
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2008.03.30 21:50:00 - [5]
 

Solo: Myrm, followed by Cane
Small gangs: Cane, followed by Myrm
Large gangs: Binger, followed by Cane

MalVortex
Applied Agoraphobia
Posted - 2008.03.30 23:07:00 - [6]
 

HAM Drake or Harbinger.

Gypsio III
Dirty Filthy Perverts
Posted - 2008.03.30 23:13:00 - [7]
 

Drake.

Darth Kenzie
Amarr
Killer Koalas
Kingdom of Butan
Posted - 2008.03.30 23:30:00 - [8]
 

Although the mighty blaster ferox shouldn't be underestimated, I think the best all around pvp bc would be the Myrm, a close second would be the Harbinger, followed by the Hurricane.

After that I don't know prob Brutix, then Drake, then Prophecy, then Cyclone, then ferox. That would be my ordering at least.

VicturusTeSaluto
Gallente
Metafarmers
MeatSausage EXPRESS
Posted - 2008.03.30 23:30:00 - [9]
 

First, there is no such thing as "PVP."

Second, the myrm is a pile of ****. It has a nice active tank, and the extra med lends some versatility- but that is it. It has no gun damage bonus, so the DPS is a complete joke.

The marginal drone DPS only counts in EFT, not in EVE. If you fight in low sec you will lose drones around sentries, and even if you do not it is VERY easy to pop all the drones and remove most of the ship's DPS; it is especially easy to kill the drones when you are pretty much limited to mediums and lights which are one-volley'd by ships with a high alpha, and are also pretty quickly killed by smarties. Drones are also slow to reach the target which will die before they arrive if you are in a large gang(could use 3 sentries, but the drone bandwidth is just a slap in the face to people that skilled drones).

I like most of the BC's. The damage bonus on the brutix makes it a very nice gank ship. I like to use either the cookie cutter dual rep setup, or for a lot more fun a plated setup with 3xMFS II.

The harb also has very nice DPS as a gank ship.

The drake is nice for soaking up damage.

The hurricane really stands out for its versatility. It can be: tanked(with rigs etc), nano'd, gank, or can maintain a very attractive balance between tank/gank. Furthermore, barrage is just magical- even without a nano setup you can stay out of web range and use barrage against slower ships. You also have the ability to pick between damage types. The guns also do not depend on cap which is another plus.

AstroPhobic
Minmatar
Holding Corp
Posted - 2008.03.30 23:35:00 - [10]
 

Harby.

Liet Traep
Minmatar
Dark-Rising
IT Alliance
Posted - 2008.03.31 01:27:00 - [11]
 

Harbinger is a like a sledgehammer to the face. It just melts things.

Multras
D00M.
Triumvirate.
Posted - 2008.03.31 01:39:00 - [12]
 

Brutix. Dual reps do no good when your armor is gone before a cycle goes off.

Rawr Cristina
Caldari
Naqam
Posted - 2008.03.31 02:03:00 - [13]
 

lol @ people thinking the Myrm is actually good for PvP Razz

Corwain
Posted - 2008.03.31 02:07:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Rawr Cristina
lol @ people thinking the Myrm is actually good for PvP Razz


Seconded. Since bandwidth the Myrm is subpar to even the gallente T1 BC, nevermind the other races tier2s. It does pitiful damage now, and only gets 1 more loslot over a brutix to compensate.

Kaileen Starsong
Amarr
Veto.
Veto Corp
Posted - 2008.03.31 02:26:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Corwain
Originally by: Rawr Cristina
lol @ people thinking the Myrm is actually good for PvP Razz


Seconded. Since bandwidth the Myrm is subpar to even the gallente T1 BC, nevermind the other races tier2s. It does pitiful damage now, and only gets 1 more loslot over a brutix to compensate.


It still does around 100dps more than dual-rep electron brutix(~650 total), while tanking the same amount of dps and having spare midslot.. as well as wing of lights and wing of ECM drones.. go figure Razz

That said, my vote goes to Hurricane for solo, Harbinger for gangwork.

Qvaaa
Posted - 2008.03.31 11:38:00 - [16]
 

Edited by: Qvaaa on 31/03/2008 11:39:21
1.st: Get into 0m from the Harbinger, and it will harm no-one anymore (bed optimal/fallof relation).
2.nd: Myrmi is not that bad, and you are an ignorant fool, if ya think that 5 medium drones, or even 5 warriors with drone nav bonus + small neut blasters wont kick your arse, when im told them so. Also: 2 pieces of 1600mm rolled tungsten tells me, its hammertime.

SO IMHO:
1. Brutix (it has only 1 purpose, and he is the best in that)
2. Harbinger (like the Bruti, but with more iskies for the blink-blink)
3. Myrmi (has no role, its the best in nothing, and still the best all-around)
4. Prophecy (crap)
5. Caldari (made for/ made by rabbits, nothing for the jihad)
6. Minnie (ugly junkyardbandits, wouldnt put my feet in those second hand ships)

TimMc
Brutal Deliverance
Gypsy Band
Posted - 2008.03.31 11:44:00 - [17]
 

Edited by: TimMc on 31/03/2008 11:46:13
Originally by: Corwain
Originally by: Rawr Cristina
lol @ people thinking the Myrm is actually good for PvP Razz


Seconded. Since bandwidth the Myrm is subpar to even the gallente T1 BC, nevermind the other races tier2s. It does pitiful damage now, and only gets 1 more loslot over a brutix to compensate.


Thirded. I fly Gank Brutix with ECM drones instead of the Myrmidon now.


Edit:
Best Small Gang - Brutix or Hurricane
Best Larger Gang - Harbinger
Best Lazy Gatecamper with large gang - Drake

Riho
Gallente
Drop of Blood
Posted - 2008.03.31 11:51:00 - [18]
 

Edited by: Riho on 31/03/2008 11:52:36
as i can fly all the t1 BC whit t2 gear i say its in this order:

Harbinger
Hurricane
Drake
Brutix
Myrmidon
Prophecy
Cyclone
Ferox

harbinger out DPSs any t1 BC easy :) and unlike the brutix you can acctually get a decent fit whit heavy pulse... brutix has a hard time fitting anything besides neutrons.

Dheorl
Surge.
Posted - 2008.03.31 11:52:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: VicturusTeSaluto
First, there is no such thing as "PVP."


I'm sorry, crazy people say what?

Rach NiKunni
Royal Enterprise
Dead Terrorists
Posted - 2008.03.31 12:00:00 - [20]
 

I've only started attacking BC's solo and although I don't fly the Hurricane I'm sure it's no match for the Harbinger.

A week or so ago I attacked an all T2 fitted Cane driven by a pilot with something like 18 months older than me and I totally creamed him in the Harbinger. A few days later I attacked another cane and the same thing happened (except this one nanoed his way out of it and ran with his tail between his legs).

The last time I attacked a Brutix was three months ago and it was heavy going. He didn't have much of a tank but those things pack a wallop. We killed him but I had to call the cavalry…. =:) Now that my skills are much better I think I can kill the Brutix 1:1 in the Harbinger too.

I haven't fought a Myrm or a Drake one-on-one but I know I can kill my corp mate’s Drake without too much trouble. Issue with the drake it can be tanked like a castle wall. I’d still give myself 50:50 odds with a drake from a pilot with similar age though.

Idxx
Amarr
Dirty Tricks
Posted - 2008.03.31 12:05:00 - [21]
 

How do you guys fit the harb?

Riho
Gallente
Drop of Blood
Posted - 2008.03.31 12:08:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Idxx
How do you guys fit the harb?


atm i perfer FMP and plate fit.. but if the gang is bigger than 10 ships (what it hardly is for me) i use HP whit 1 rep

Captator
Perditus Peregrinus
Posted - 2008.03.31 12:12:00 - [23]
 

myrm - 750-800ish dps depending on skills, same EHP as a 1600mm plate FMP harb, without rigs, suuure thats not very good damage :P (ignoring overload, which brings dps up to nearly 900)


Cpt Cosmic
Posted - 2008.03.31 12:33:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Captator
myrm - 750-800ish dps depending on skills, same EHP as a 1600mm plate FMP harb, without rigs, suuure thats not very good damage :P (ignoring overload, which brings dps up to nearly 900)



lie Rolling Eyes
first max is ~725 with t2 ammo and max skills without implants and then with such a fitting it will be paper thin cause fitting biggest guns eats all your pg Laughing

Flaming sambuka
Gallente
Aliastra
Posted - 2008.03.31 12:38:00 - [25]
 

Gank Brutix, 850 DPS. Fun, nuff said.

Captator
Perditus Peregrinus
Posted - 2008.03.31 12:49:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Cpt Cosmic
Originally by: Captator
myrm - 750-800ish dps depending on skills, same EHP as a 1600mm plate FMP harb, without rigs, suuure thats not very good damage :P (ignoring overload, which brings dps up to nearly 900)



lie Rolling Eyes
first max is ~725 with t2 ammo and max skills without implants and then with such a fitting it will be paper thin cause fitting biggest guns eats all your pg Laughing


^^ someone doesn't know enough about myrm fits ;), and that fit is without implants other than a 3% cpu implant

and this is better than the brutix cos it has over double the EHP for 70ish dps less, and that is assuming you are insane enough to not use EW drones on a neutron brutx, and are using damage drones

Dizeezer Velar
Caldari
League of Disgruntled Fast Food Employees
Posted - 2008.03.31 14:01:00 - [27]
 

HAM drake
neutron brutix

Terianna Eri
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
Posted - 2008.03.31 14:06:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Captator
Originally by: Cpt Cosmic
Originally by: Captator
myrm - 750-800ish dps depending on skills, same EHP as a 1600mm plate FMP harb, without rigs, suuure thats not very good damage :P (ignoring overload, which brings dps up to nearly 900)



lie Rolling Eyes
first max is ~725 with t2 ammo and max skills without implants and then with such a fitting it will be paper thin cause fitting biggest guns eats all your pg Laughing


^^ someone doesn't know enough about myrm fits ;), and that fit is without implants other than a 3% cpu implant

and this is better than the brutix cos it has over double the EHP for 70ish dps less, and that is assuming you are insane enough to not use EW drones on a neutron brutx, and are using damage drones


If I had to guess...

[Myrmidon, test]
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Internal Force Field Array I
Beta Reactor Control: Diagnostic System I
Beta Reactor Control: Diagnostic System I

Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Invulnerability Field II
Faint Warp Prohibitor I

Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M

[empty rig slot]
[empty rig slot]
[empty rig slot]

Ogre II x2
Hammerhead II x2
Hobgoblin II x1

????

~780 dps, 53k EHP

Cpt Cosmic
Posted - 2008.03.31 14:16:00 - [29]
 

Edited by: Cpt Cosmic on 31/03/2008 14:20:14
Originally by: Terianna Eri
Originally by: Captator
Originally by: Cpt Cosmic
Originally by: Captator
myrm - 750-800ish dps depending on skills, same EHP as a 1600mm plate FMP harb, without rigs, suuure thats not very good damage :P (ignoring overload, which brings dps up to nearly 900)



lie Rolling Eyes
first max is ~725 with t2 ammo and max skills without implants and then with such a fitting it will be paper thin cause fitting biggest guns eats all your pg Laughing


^^ someone doesn't know enough about myrm fits ;), and that fit is without implants other than a 3% cpu implant

and this is better than the brutix cos it has over double the EHP for 70ish dps less, and that is assuming you are insane enough to not use EW drones on a neutron brutx, and are using damage drones


If I had to guess...

[Myrmidon, test]
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Internal Force Field Array I
Beta Reactor Control: Diagnostic System I
Beta Reactor Control: Diagnostic System I

Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Invulnerability Field II
Faint Warp Prohibitor I

Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M

[empty rig slot]
[empty rig slot]
[empty rig slot]

Ogre II x2
Hammerhead II x2
Hobgoblin II x1

????

~780 dps, 53k EHP


lol this setup is made out of FAIL. no real tank, no web, dps is killable, dont see anything useful in this setup, until your ogres arrive to target you are about to die cause being primary, get a brutix ~~

Kruel
Beyond Divinity Inc
Posted - 2008.03.31 14:59:00 - [30]
 

Gate camping/bait: Drake
Solo roaming: Cane
Station hugging: Myrm/Harb
Gang: Harb
Suicide gank: Brutix


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