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Blood Daemon
Minmatar
Republic Military School
Posted - 2008.03.30 01:37:00 - [1]
 

I've searched hi's, mid's and low's for a level 2 mission Rifter setups and just NONE take my fancy, the reason being is they're all shield tanks, and the ones what I have read most say they aint even tried level 2's yet (so why post a level 2 mission rifter setup, if it's not tried and tested)..

Well that's what I thought.. So i'm turning to the EVE community, yes that's you Razz.. to ask for help, on guiding me the right way to get this.. Your all probably thinkin why don't I just train for a cruiser and have done with it..

Well that's my problem, I want a challenge during my PvE experience I want a rush and feeling of going into every mission knowing I might not come out alive.. And if I do it will be an achievement.. Of course it's an achievement in itself to create a working setup for level 2 missions.. That's why i'm coming to these forums for help, not just a "I n33d level 2 mission rIfTer, GIMME NOW"..

I have tried to mess with EFT and come with a perma-rep run setup, with speed topping 1km/sec I am just wondering if constantly whizzing round with the rep running permanently would be any good? to get the ball rolling here is what i'm "suggesting"

[Rifter, Daemon Tool]
Dark Blood Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Damage Control II
Small Armor Repairer II

Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
1MN Afterburner II

150mm Light AutoCannon II, Barrage S
150mm Light AutoCannon II, Barrage S
150mm Light AutoCannon II, Barrage S
'Arbalest' Rocket Launcher I, Thorn Rocket

Capacitor Control Circuit I
Capacitor Control Circuit I
Capacitor Control Circuit I

(Rigs if you decide to add them are fine)

I want to ask you for feedback on what makes an effective Frigate setup, that will be a challenge to take level 2 missions.. but ALSO be effective at what it does.. I don't want to get info, then strap such and such modules on it enter mission an pop.. Just a small explination would be nice! Very Happy

Anyone willing to help me out on this, would be great if past Rifter pilot with experience doing these would reply, but any info is welcome.

Thanks

DaemonCool

Elhina Novae
HAMMER -N- SICKEL
Posted - 2008.03.30 02:27:00 - [2]
 

Waste 50mil+ on rigs for predictable excitement :P

Go too low-sec and get an adrenaline rush from your first pvp experience

Tsanse Kinske
WeMeanYouKnowHarm
Posted - 2008.03.30 02:29:00 - [3]
 

I played around with an armor tanked Rifter for L2s some, but I got much better performance out of passive shield tanks, and somewhat better performance and even more fun out of active shields.

Anyway armor, right. It was something like...

AC125x3, RL
AB, Web, CapRecharger
RT200, SAR, Active Hardener

Almost entirely named because of my skills at the time. It worked well enough to get through all of the L2s I tried, though I don't think I took it through Human Cattle. The Caldari portions of that would have been pretty difficult. At the time, that was the most difficult L2 though.

With T2 guns and Barrage to take care of Intys, I'd say drop the Webber and put in a cap battery. Between that and the recharger, the SAR would be close to perma. A more challenging but more fun option would be to use 2 rechargers and use the fitting to upgrade the guns. Without gyros, this ship's killspeed is pretty slow. (Which is one of the reasons why shield tanks are better for this, imo)

Personally I find the idea of CCCs or almost any rig on a T1 frig absurd, but if you've got isk to burn I imagine you won't have too many problems even if you're too impatient to manage transversal and aggro properly. It might be one of the bizarre cases where I'd recommend going with a damage rig or two actually.

Anyway, hopefully you'll get some ideas out of that.


d3vo
Posted - 2008.03.30 03:21:00 - [4]
 

cap overdose with 3xCCC
doubt you will really need it

Anell
Minmatar
Evil Avatar Ltd.
Posted - 2008.03.30 03:24:00 - [5]
 

Personally I think you are being a bit silly about this. Yes there are level 2 missions where a rifter will work fine, but I also think there are level 2 missions where you will be hit with enough alpha damage to pop a T1 frigate before you can get into range. If you want a challenge fly a tech 1 fitted stabber into a level 3 mission. Not only would one of the extravaganza missions meet your needs but it would be even money whether you could survive, and at the end of the day you would drop less then 10 million, but stand to gain far more then any L2 mission.

Of course there is also pvp which is infinitively more fun.

Erotic Irony
0bsession
Posted - 2008.03.30 03:27:00 - [6]
 

use a target painting thrasher

Blood Daemon
Minmatar
Republic Military School
Posted - 2008.03.30 03:45:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Anell
Personally I think you are being a bit silly about this. Yes there are level 2 missions where a rifter will work fine, but I also think there are level 2 missions where you will be hit with enough alpha damage to pop a T1 frigate before you can get into range. If you want a challenge fly a tech 1 fitted stabber into a level 3 mission. Not only would one of the extravaganza missions meet your needs but it would be even money whether you could survive, and at the end of the day you would drop less then 10 million, but stand to gain far more then any L2 mission.

Of course there is also pvp which is infinitively more fun.


And there ya go it took just less than 2 hours for someone to post something which I stated I didn't want to do in my OP... Rifter - Level 2 missions - challenge... <<< read and understand...Rolling Eyes Don't get me wrong if I was to post a Stabber for level 3 missions then yeah i'd take your advice..

I'd also like to think i'm silly too... thanks for agreeing with somethingLaughing

Thank you all who are giving helpful posts..

Hayaishi
Gallente
Aperture Harmonics
Posted - 2008.03.30 04:30:00 - [8]
 

well, if it is MAJORLY imporant for you to be missioning in a rifter thats had a level 1 battleship spent on it. go ahead, but ide just go for a drone cruiser imo

Feng Schui
Minmatar
Cruor Evertum Dominicus
Posted - 2008.03.30 04:49:00 - [9]
 

L1/L2 rifter (can also do some level 3's)

2x 150mm Scout Autocannons
2x Arbalest Missile Launchers

Medium Shield Extender II (or best named)
2x Passive resist amps (mission specific)

3x Shield Power Relays

Blood Daemon
Minmatar
Republic Military School
Posted - 2008.03.30 04:58:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Hayaishi
well, if it is MAJORLY imporant for you to be missioning in a rifter thats had a level 1 battleship spent on it. go ahead, but ide just go for a drone cruiser imo


It's what I want to be doing.. doesn't matter what I put into it, it really isn't any concern of yours or anyone who has posted what I do with the created setup I decide upon, and how I fly it.. All i'm asking is for feedback about what i'm asking for help with...

Not what would make it easier, or what would make it cheaper ect..

I really wonder what the average attention span of the EVE community is, because if you find (this is not directly at you btw) warping in and sitting there ripping things apart with ease fun, then meh, there's no hope...

What my goal is, is to be having fun at the most boring part of EVE.... how I do it, I don't care just as long as I get a sense of fun out of it...

Please if anyone will be willing to post next, please understand what i'm looking for... everyone apart from the second poster just seems to be missing the point so far.....

Erotic Irony
0bsession
Posted - 2008.03.30 05:09:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Blood Daemon
Originally by: Hayaishi
well, if it is MAJORLY imporant for you to be missioning in a rifter thats had a level 1 battleship spent on it. go ahead, but ide just go for a drone cruiser imo


It's what I want to be doing.. doesn't matter what I put into it, it really isn't any concern of yours or anyone who has posted what I do with the created setup I decide upon, and how I fly it.. All i'm asking is for feedback about what i'm asking for help with...

Not what would make it easier, or what would make it cheaper ect..

I really wonder what the average attention span of the EVE community is, because if you find (this is not directly at you btw) warping in and sitting there ripping things apart with ease fun, then meh, there's no hope...

What my goal is, is to be having fun at the most boring part of EVE.... how I do it, I don't care just as long as I get a sense of fun out of it...

Please if anyone will be willing to post next, please understand what i'm looking for... everyone apart from the second poster just seems to be missing the point so far.....


what he was trying to say is that you're bad at eve

Blood Daemon
Minmatar
Republic Military School
Posted - 2008.03.30 05:11:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Erotic Irony
Originally by: Blood Daemon
Originally by: Hayaishi
well, if it is MAJORLY imporant for you to be missioning in a rifter thats had a level 1 battleship spent on it. go ahead, but ide just go for a drone cruiser imo


It's what I want to be doing.. doesn't matter what I put into it, it really isn't any concern of yours or anyone who has posted what I do with the created setup I decide upon, and how I fly it.. All i'm asking is for feedback about what i'm asking for help with...

Not what would make it easier, or what would make it cheaper ect..

I really wonder what the average attention span of the EVE community is, because if you find (this is not directly at you btw) warping in and sitting there ripping things apart with ease fun, then meh, there's no hope...

What my goal is, is to be having fun at the most boring part of EVE.... how I do it, I don't care just as long as I get a sense of fun out of it...

Please if anyone will be willing to post next, please understand what i'm looking for... everyone apart from the second poster just seems to be missing the point so far.....


what he was trying to say is that you're bad at eve


Yeah I guess I fail at EVECrying or Very sadCrying or Very sadCrying or Very sad

Cutie Chaser
Gallente
Federal Navy Academy
Posted - 2008.03.30 07:07:00 - [13]
 

Edited by: Cutie Chaser on 30/03/2008 07:13:19
I'd make a few suggestions to your setup, although I've never flown a Rifter into a lvl 2 I have done so in other t1 frigates, and missions in general.

Don't fit an omnitank: Buy 1 of each armor hardener and fit those according to what you fight. You'll need any help you can get, so eek out those extra resistance points!

You've devoted 2 mids and 3 rigs to keeping a tank going. You could get a better tank with something "crazier":

2x Mission-Specific Resistance Mods
Small Armor Repairer II

1MN Afterburner II
Small Cap Booster II
(I prefer a web here, but pick and chose whatever)

150mm Light AutoCannon II
150mm Light AutoCannon II
150mm Light AutoCannon II
Caldari Navy Rocket Launcher I

2x Nanobot Accelerator I
1x Auxiliary Nano Pump I

-----------------

You're not looting in the frigate, use the cargo space! 100m^3 worth of cargohold and 1 mid slot takes care of all the cap problems you'll have. Not only that, but now you can use the rig slots to make your armor repairer more efficient and faster. If you are still concerned about your tanking ability, fill your last midslot with a cap recharger 2 for even more sustained cap.

Also, you might as well swing for a faction rocket launcher for the few more dps, and faction rockets as well.

Also, since you'll be up their tailpipe in a heartbeat with your zippy little ship you might as well fit faction s emp as well, instead of barrage.








Tsanse Kinske
WeMeanYouKnowHarm
Posted - 2008.03.30 07:46:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Blood Daemon


Yeah I guess I fail at EVECrying or Very sadCrying or Very sadCrying or Very sad


The thing to realize about a thread like this on these forums is that 50% of the EVE population sees missions as something unpleasant to just grind through as quickly as possible, and another 49% sees them as something pleasant...to just grind through as quickly as possible.

The idea of running L2 missions for just for laughs rather than iskies or standings is pretty crazy to most of us, and running them in something suboptimal just for the challenge is almost completely unfathomable. It's as if you popped into the forum and made a thread about how you want to become a Jedi, or asking about when they'll introduce space unicorns, or how Caldari have reasonably good looking ships. Crazy shiznit.

Anyway, don't take any of it too hard, just recognize that you're one of the wacked out 1%.

I think you're a nutcase too, but only because of the rigs. Razz Have fun!

Wolfic
Minmatar
Risk Breakers
Lizard Kings
Posted - 2008.03.30 18:07:00 - [15]
 

When I was starting out I ran a lot of level 2s and low sec ratting in my rifter using a passive shield tank setup. It worked surprisingly well even without good skills or rigs. Try something like:
Hi: 3x150mm 1x Rocket Launcher
Mid: AB, Med Extender, Small Extender
Low: 3xSpr
Rigs: Core field extender, 2 core field purger

Gives around 1800 shield with max regen of about 30/second.

CmdoColin
Posted - 2008.03.31 01:49:00 - [16]
 

Edited by: CmdoColin on 31/03/2008 01:58:33
Used to run level 2's for giggles with this.

High
3 x t2 150mm auto's (work better PvE due to reloads)
t2 rocket launcher

Mids
t2 1mn ab
t2 small cap battery (makes cap big so recharge is faster than cap recharger)
t2 webifier ( I used a named t1 one x5?) - you do need it for some missions as you don't have range to kill any webbin' rats.

Low
t2 small armour rep
rat specific t2 energized plating
rat specific t2 plating (non-cpu one)

I didn't use rigs and used to pulse on and off the small armour rep. Yes, I did need to warp out from time to time.

Looking at it, if I'd fitted just 2 CCC rigs it would have been cap stable.... hmmmm. It did go pop in the end, but I was running level 3's with it at the time... Was seiously good fun. I can throw those together as I have a bpo and level 4's give me loads of salvage. I could also fit a projectile damage rig...

PS try running level 1 missions in your n00b ship. That's pretty funny/challanging as well.

EDIT: forgot to say - I used to swap out the web for when I didn't need it with a t2 cap recharger - it gave me about 15 minutes perma-running everything.

Blood Daemon
Minmatar
Republic Military School
Posted - 2008.03.31 13:22:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: CmdoColin
Edited by: CmdoColin on 31/03/2008 01:58:33
Used to run level 2's for giggles with this.

High
3 x t2 150mm auto's (work better PvE due to reloads)
t2 rocket launcher

Mids
t2 1mn ab
t2 small cap battery (makes cap big so recharge is faster than cap recharger)
t2 webifier ( I used a named t1 one x5?) - you do need it for some missions as you don't have range to kill any webbin' rats.

Low
t2 small armour rep
rat specific t2 energized plating
rat specific t2 plating (non-cpu one)

I didn't use rigs and used to pulse on and off the small armour rep. Yes, I did need to warp out from time to time.

Looking at it, if I'd fitted just 2 CCC rigs it would have been cap stable.... hmmmm. It did go pop in the end, but I was running level 3's with it at the time... Was seiously good fun. I can throw those together as I have a bpo and level 4's give me loads of salvage. I could also fit a projectile damage rig...

PS try running level 1 missions in your n00b ship. That's pretty funny/challanging as well.

EDIT: forgot to say - I used to swap out the web for when I didn't need it with a t2 cap recharger - it gave me about 15 minutes perma-running everything.


Cheers buddy, i had another setup similiar to this, but the cap battery is new to me, that wouldn't of even entered my head, especially with the low cap recharge an cap itself on minnie ships..CoolCoolCool


Tharis Virtuose
Posted - 2008.06.09 03:21:00 - [18]
 

Check my build:

1 x Small Nosferatu II
1 x Rocket Launcher II
2 x 150mm Light Autocannon II

1 x Stasis Webifier II
1 x 10MN Afterburner II
1 x Warp Scrambler II

2 x Micro Auxiliary Power Core I
1 x Nanofiber Internal Structure II

Admiral Madbull
Minmatar
The Forgotten Navy
Posted - 2008.06.09 10:05:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Feng Schui
L1/L2 rifter (can also do some level 3's)

2x 150mm Scout Autocannons
2x Arbalest Missile Launchers

Medium Shield Extender II (or best named)
2x Passive resist amps (mission specific)

3x Shield Power Relays


This to me is the best lv2/lv3 rifter, but for lv3 i rather use this setup on a jaguar

I spent about 6 months on a jaguar, and even if i make alot more isk now then back then, i must say that doing missions on a rifter/jaguar was the most fun i hade on missions.

I love this rifter/jaguar passivly tanked

.

Kano Sekor
Amarr
Burning Steel Inc.
Posted - 2008.06.09 10:10:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Feng Schui
L1/L2 rifter (can also do some level 3's)

2x 150mm Scout Autocannons
2x Arbalest Missile Launchers

Medium Shield Extender II (or best named)
2x Passive resist amps (mission specific)

3x Shield Power Relays


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