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Bignfurrie
Gallente
The Legion of Spoon
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
Posted - 2008.03.25 11:21:00 - [1]
 

Lets push to add a real anti pirate angle. Have the ability to auction off Kill Rights threw contracts. Then the bounties have a real meening. Real Bounty Hunters can buy these rights and be able to pop them anywhere because they bought the contract(Kill Rights). Why should RATS have all the fun.

Zarquon Beeblebrox
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2008.03.25 11:25:00 - [2]
 

I think this is a good idea. Perhaps also boost the lengt of the kill rights. A one month long kill right do not sound to long to me.

Aem
x13
Posted - 2008.03.25 11:26:00 - [3]
 

Originally by: Bignfurrie
Lets push to add a real anti pirate angle. Have the ability to auction off Kill Rights threw contracts. Then the bounties have a real meening. Real Bounty Hunters can buy these rights and be able to pop them anywhere because they bought the contract(Kill Rights). Why should RATS have all the fun.


What about selling killrights on me! I see it from your point of view, but If I offered more money ;)

Kyanzes
Amarr
Muppet Ninja's
Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
Posted - 2008.03.25 11:29:00 - [4]
 


YEAH!

That's actually a sound idea.


Bignfurrie
Gallente
The Legion of Spoon
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
Posted - 2008.03.25 11:33:00 - [5]
 

The contracts can be auctioned, only problem with that instead of 4 weeks of hunting you only get 3.Twisted Evil

Screw RATS

Avon
Caldari
Versatech Co.
Raiden.
Posted - 2008.03.25 11:33:00 - [6]
 

Transferable killrights has been suggested since they were introduced .. in fact before that when they were being discussed.

I really have no idea what good reason stands in the way of them.

Sergeant Spot
Galactic Geographic BookMark Surveying Inc.
Posted - 2008.03.25 11:34:00 - [7]
 

This idea has been suggested many times (by me, among others).

It has many serious virtues, and no serious flaws.

Not holding my breath on it. Fortunately for me, I spend about 90% of my time in 0.0.

Ssoraszh Tzarszh
Minmatar
The Royal Engineers
Posted - 2008.03.25 11:40:00 - [8]
 

Transferable killrights would be the only real way to make "bounty hunting" a real profession, doing away with the bounties as they are now and enable the sale of killrights would be interesting indeed.


Bignfurrie
Gallente
The Legion of Spoon
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
Posted - 2008.03.25 11:52:00 - [9]
 

Keep the bounties then the Kill Rights are worth more on the open market.

Xipe Totec
Posted - 2008.03.25 11:57:00 - [10]
 

/signed

Nina Roncheli
Posted - 2008.03.25 12:04:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Bignfurrie
Lets push to add a real anti pirate angle. Have the ability to auction off Kill Rights threw contracts. Then the bounties have a real meening. Real Bounty Hunters can buy these rights and be able to pop them anywhere because they bought the contract(Kill Rights). Why should RATS have all the fun.


Really good idea, CCP , take it for next patch plz

Inconstant Moon
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2008.03.25 12:15:00 - [12]
 

Just one of many fine suggestions to deal with the current crisis. In fact, there are so many good ideas on the forums at the moment, it's really weird that none of them are being implemented and we are still stuck with the current crisis!

Joshua Foiritain
Gallente
Coreli Corporation
Naraka.
Posted - 2008.03.25 12:22:00 - [13]
 

Edited by: Joshua Foiritain on 25/03/2008 12:22:11
Originally by: Avon
I really have no idea what good reason stands in the way of them.

It wouldn't create any lag so surely it cannot be a good game feature.

Being able to buy & sell killrights would be awesome, it would be even more awesome if the bounty system for an overhaul.

Punker Adagear
Posted - 2008.03.25 12:33:00 - [14]
 

i agree with this, its would be a perfect way to bring the bounty hunting profession into the light.
I'd be up for it, there would just need to be away that the target will be able to take out the pilot who won the auction, so that its fair.

Also auctions would not be able to be done from a trail account to stop people spamming auctions, and possible a new set of skills to allow either multipul contracts or groups contract auctions

Paeniteo
Vengeance Imperium
Wildly Inappropriate.
Posted - 2008.03.25 12:38:00 - [15]
 

Dev's already said they have changes to the bounty hunting system on the drawing board. Trading kill rights is one option being considered.


CCP Atropos

Posted - 2008.03.25 12:58:00 - [16]
 


Avon
Caldari
Versatech Co.
Raiden.
Posted - 2008.03.25 13:14:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: CCP Atropos
Read, listen, discuss.


No U

Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
Posted - 2008.03.25 13:16:00 - [18]
 

WTS: Killrights on myself, 500M.

Barzam
School of Applied Knowledge
Posted - 2008.03.25 13:17:00 - [19]
 

First good idea on revising the whole bountysystem I've seen yet.

/Signed!

Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2008.03.25 13:20:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Bignfurrie
Lets push to add a real anti pirate angle. Have the ability to auction off Kill Rights threw contracts. Then the bounties have a real meening. Real Bounty Hunters can buy these rights and be able to pop them anywhere because they bought the contract(Kill Rights). Why should RATS have all the fun.


I am strongly in favour of this excellent idea.

Simply make kill rights tradable via contracts and let the market decide what bounties should be. Actually, quite a lot of players would probably pay for kill rights against the right targets.

Bignfurrie
Gallente
The Legion of Spoon
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
Posted - 2008.03.25 13:23:00 - [21]
 

Its 41mins long.........If we get more sigs will you implement it quicker? I listened for a few mins and read forum post....i just want the high lights(too lazy) Its far easier to post. Seriously tho they didnt mention a time frame did they? I'm ready!! When i grow up to a big boy EVE pilot I wanna be a bounty hunter for real.

Shigsy
NibbleTek
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2008.03.25 13:34:00 - [22]
 

I honestly dont see the point of kill rights. 99% of the people you get killrights on are outlaw anyway, so they're free to shoot. Confused

Inconstant Moon
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2008.03.25 13:35:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: CCP Atropos
Read, listen, discuss.


Thanks for that response.

A shame though, that with the forum in such a gank vs bear mess, we have to listen to 41 minutes of audio just to get the answer that "they're working on it."

Capital Kill
Native Freshfood
Posted - 2008.03.25 13:45:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Chribba
WTS: Killrights on myself, 500M.


Shocked /me checks piggybank

CCP Atropos

Posted - 2008.03.25 13:53:00 - [25]
 

Someone kindly paraphrased the contents on the audio into a handy text format that would allow you to get the juicy bits from it quickly.

Stork DK
Minmatar
Risky eXplosion
Death or Glory
Posted - 2008.03.25 14:24:00 - [26]
 


Gigi Kent
Caldari
Posted - 2008.03.25 15:02:00 - [27]
 

This will not work.

Want to know why?

Everyone and their mother will create one day old alts and go afk in lowsec-nullsec farming killrights. It won't work, it will be exploited and there is no way to stop it short of denying < 3 month old characters killrights or denying them trade of such killrights.

Sorry to burst your bubble.

Jacob Mei
Gallente
Posted - 2008.03.25 15:04:00 - [28]
 

The following may or may not be a problem:

The only significant issue I see this being a problem of is that it could create "Bounty Farmers".

There are bountys out there that are litterally in the billions, imagine how much that would translate into RL currency if isk sellers got ahold of it?

I see this situation happening:

Pirate A with a 50 million bounty is flying around in low sec doing his thing. Suddenly he sees an easy target happyly mining a belt. He flys over, destroys the ship and pops the pod. Easy target turns out to have been chinese bait. bait "sells" his kill right to his fellows in powerful ships with powerful characters and they hunt down Pirate A, find him and kill him.

Considering that it only takes a level 3 or 4 agent to track someone down in the entire galaxy no one would be safe unless they are constantly on the move. Further more, this would be hard pressed if not impossible to determine if it were isk miners or not (considering that there are many isk miners who have hulks it is obivous that there is a system in place that allows the money maker characters to have some distance from the money seller accounts, this would be no diffrent).

Situation B:

Big battle taking place. Some of the individuals have bounties on their heads and are using field weaponry (FOF's, Smartbombs, etc). Suddenly, a flock of shuttles or throw away ships warp in and start aggressively orbiting these players. They get hit and killed in the cross fire. Suddenly though, Player B with a bounty on his head has several contracted kill rights on his head and the chinese money collectors are hot on his trail to collect the reward on his head.

I think that unless those two situations can be resolved that transfering bounties between players will not happen.

1. Isk sellers would quickly capitalize on such a new feature. because the bounty system lists the top 50 or so bounty heads, the ISK sellers would have a list of good hits merely a station equiped with a bounty office away. whats worse, it would be next to impossible, in my opinion, to track them down as they would be using completely legal means.

2. It would be a grief tool of epic proportions. Got someone you dont like? trick him or find out when hes using a smart bomb, get killed and then put a bounty on his head.


I may be completely talking out of my butt here but I really think that unless there is some sort of system of control on a way a kill right is transfered that being able to sell or trade kill rights would be the perfect game mechanic for isk sellers.

Bignfurrie
Gallente
The Legion of Spoon
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
Posted - 2008.03.25 15:13:00 - [29]
 

It only aplies to kills that happen in .5 and up. This is a direct attemp to acually have a punishment to suicide ganking. Sorry to blow up the bubble again.

Morfane
Quam Singulari
Session Changes
Posted - 2008.03.25 15:17:00 - [30]
 

While I agree this would be fun, isn't it kind of backwards? Aren't bounty hunters supposed to be PAID to go after someone? Instead, with this system, they are paying you to kill your enemy. Now I can see if the target has a bounty on their head, but what if they don't? Do the killrights have a negative value?



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