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Darius Brinn
Iberians
Posted - 2008.03.26 12:35:00 - [151]
 

Oh, and by the way, do eliminate Concord if you so desire. Also eliminate insurancing NPCs, alts and anonymous trading.

Let everybody become combat pilots, free in a world where you can die everywhere.

LOL, you are proposing to turn this into...a PvP WoW server, actually. In WoW you aren't safe even at settlements. Nice going, pirate.

Darius Brinn
Iberians
Posted - 2008.03.26 12:37:00 - [152]
 

Originally by: Cpt Branko
Originally by: Darius Brinn

Insurance companies don't give a cent to criminals that blow the insured property while comitting a felony. Except in EVE.



Insurance companies won't insure a tank going to the front line. Except in EvE.

Yes, I'm talking about people who rat in belts/do missions.

"Hello. I'm going to fit machinegun on my car and go to Iraq. Will you insure my car?"
"LOL."

So insurance is either for high-sec haulers only (I mean, seriously, going to a warzone such as low-sec should invalidate your insurance) and nobody else at all OR high-sec gankers rightfully get insurance.


Ok. Go ahead. Eliminate insurances completely. Let's see who misses it more and cries over it: pirates, or mission runners.

Real ship wasters, those mission rats. Rolling Eyes

Ki An
Gallente
The Really Awesome Players
Posted - 2008.03.26 12:38:00 - [153]
 

Originally by: Darius Brinn
Oh, and by the way, do eliminate Concord if you so desire. Also eliminate insurancing NPCs, alts and anonymous trading.

Let everybody become combat pilots, free in a world where you can die everywhere.

LOL, you are proposing to turn this into...a PvP WoW server, actually. In WoW you aren't safe even at settlements. Nice going, pirate.


Wtf are you talking about? Everyone is a combat pilot in Eve. If you don't shoot, you die. That's how it is, that's how it's always been. That you refuse to accept that fact doesn't make it less true. You can die everywhere, which you already know, hence your whine.

About PvP WoW servers, I am sure you are well versed in the mechanics of those. I think you should go back there, because you do not get Eve at all.

Darius Brinn
Iberians
Posted - 2008.03.26 13:00:00 - [154]
 

Originally by: Ki An
Originally by: Darius Brinn
Oh, and by the way, do eliminate Concord if you so desire. Also eliminate insurancing NPCs, alts and anonymous trading.

Let everybody become combat pilots, free in a world where you can die everywhere.

LOL, you are proposing to turn this into...a PvP WoW server, actually. In WoW you aren't safe even at settlements. Nice going, pirate.


Wtf are you talking about? Everyone is a combat pilot in Eve. If you don't shoot, you die. That's how it is, that's how it's always been. That you refuse to accept that fact doesn't make it less true. You can die everywhere, which you already know, hence your whine.

About PvP WoW servers, I am sure you are well versed in the mechanics of those. I think you should go back there, because you do not get Eve at all.



WTF are YOU talking about? Freights can shoot back? Indies? Barges? I can die anywhere and lose my stuff. Only problem is...gankers are NOT losing their stuff.

Me, whine? Nope. All the changes these "pirates" have posted to scare me, I have endorsed. By the way, I have not lost a ship to a pirate yet. I have been through low sec with my lowly stuff, too. Ready for the worse.

I don't whine. You whine. And cry. I don't get EVE? I think I clearly get it. You want the easy riches, and changes are seen as a menace to your...style.

Yes, I am familiar with WoW PvP servers. No, I'm not going back. I wish you had used your HUGE time in EVE better, though, because I think you got EVE poorly yourself.

Ki An
Gallente
The Really Awesome Players
Posted - 2008.03.26 13:11:00 - [155]
 

Darius, I figure you for a Goon troll, but just in case you're just stupid, I'll answer you seriously.

Originally by: Darius Brinn

WTF are YOU talking about? Freights can shoot back? Indies? Barges? I can die anywhere and lose my stuff. Only problem is...gankers are NOT losing their stuff.


So you are saying that Concord isn't popping the suicide gankers? You are saying the gankers don't take a sec hit? You are saying they don't get criminally flagged? You are saying the victims don't get kill rights? You are lying or dumb.

What you really mean is that in your opinion the penalties for a suicide gank is too low. Opinions are like bumholes, and CCP doesn't share yours.

Originally by: Darius Brinn

Me, whine? Nope. All the changes these "pirates" have posted to scare me, I have endorsed. By the way, I have not lost a ship to a pirate yet. I have been through low sec with my lowly stuff, too. Ready for the worse.


You sound pretty whiny to me. Any whinier and you'll only be able to communicate with dogs. You really should go lose a ship. Get some experience. Then you will have a better idea about what you are actually talking about.

Originally by: Darius Brinn

I don't whine. You whine. And cry. I don't get EVE? I think I clearly get it. You want the easy riches, and changes are seen as a menace to your...style.


No, you definately don't get Eve. The whole "no U" thing is getting pretty tiresome too. Fact: You haven't played long enough to form educated opinions on Eve game mechanics. That you parade around the forums throwing abuse at everyoe disagreeing with your, quite frankly, stupid ideas makes you look like a tard.

Originally by: Darius Brinn

Yes, I am familiar with WoW PvP servers. No, I'm not going back. I wish you had used your HUGE time in EVE better, though, because I think you got EVE poorly yourself.


If you aren't going back to WoW, at least shut up about Eve until you've spent enough time in game to actually learn about it. Right now you're making an ass of yourself, and in a game like Eve, making an ass of oneself isn't a good thing to do. Especially a new player who hasn't been around enough to defend himself against the people he ****es off.


Darius Brinn
Iberians
Posted - 2008.03.26 13:12:00 - [156]
 

It's not the first time I read that, though.

"You're too new", or "go back to WoW".

I think there are quite a few valid points in what me some users have said on this subject. The whole insurance/security status issue could be reworked, because gankers get a slap on the wrist and industrials cannot get back at them using any market PvP tools.

I think I get EVE, I do like EVE and my avatar happily lives and progresses in EVE. Want it hard? Make it hard...for everyone. It's not currently the case.

Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2008.03.26 13:12:00 - [157]
 

Originally by: Darius Brinn
Originally by: Malcanis

If you want EvE to be as hardcore as all that, why should NPCs protect you?


It's a necessity, as not all players have the same means, or started the game at the same time.

Again, I don't want Concord to PROTECT me. Concord, as you pirates say, DOES NOT PROTECT. It simply does not punish hard enough.

Pirates in EVE kill and loot. Then they kill a few rats, change their jackets and come to Empire for a bit of shopping and scanning future victims.

Our point is...we don't EVE lighter, or different. Just want high security gankers to pay the right price.


So in short: you want people punished for doing things you don't like, but rather than do it yourself, you want CCP to do it for you.

Myz Toyou
the Organ Grinder and Company
Posted - 2008.03.26 13:14:00 - [158]
 

Edited by: Myz Toyou on 26/03/2008 13:17:45
Edited by: Myz Toyou on 26/03/2008 13:15:12
Can me please some1 give a real reason why CCP should change anything as long as I see hauler ganks on our KB with only cargo extenders fitted and empty midslots ?

Most reasons mentioned here so far are only to buff lazyness of empire dwellers.

These ******s deserve to die and lose everything they have on board tbh.

Darius Brinn
Iberians
Posted - 2008.03.26 13:24:00 - [159]
 

Originally by: Ki An

So you are saying that Concord isn't popping the suicide gankers? You are saying the gankers don't take a sec hit? You are saying they don't get criminally flagged? You are saying the victims don't get kill rights? You are lying or dumb.


I didn't say that. At all, "genius". I have just said that these consequences are not serious, as insurances and loot make up for anything the ganker loses, and industrials cannot transfer kill rights. This doesn't make me stupid, but actually shows you can't even read properly. Go back to school, kid. And pay attention this time. It's important NOT to put unsaid words in others' mouths. It makes you look...not very bright.

Originally by: Ki An
What you really mean is that in your opinion the penalties for a suicide gank is too low. Opinions are like bumholes, and CCP doesn't share yours..


That's exactly what I mean. CCP doesn't share it, fine. But you didn't resort to writing "I differ". You HAD to post this offensive nonsense and make a fool of yourself, poor, sad little thing.

Originally by: Ki An

You sound pretty whiny to me.


Opinions. Bumholes. Get it?

Originally by: Ki An
Any whinier and you'll only be able to communicate with dogs. You really should go lose a ship. Get some experience. Then you will have a better idea about what you are actually talking about.


What exactly will losing a ship bring me? Not grief, being a lot of polygons in a game. I don't need a better idea, seeing as I am the only one with ideas (or a working brain) between me and you.

Originally by: Ki An
No, you definately don't get Eve.


Opinions. Bumholes. Arguments exploding in your face.

Originally by: Ki An
The whole "no U" thing is getting pretty tiresome too.


And yes, you seem pretty well versed on it.

Originally by: Ki An
Fact: You haven't played long enough to form educated opinions on Eve game mechanics. That you parade around the forums throwing abuse at everyoe disagreeing with your, quite frankly, stupid ideas makes you look like a tard.


Everyone disagreeing? Learn to read. Offensive? You were the one that called me stupid right there. And what you take as "FACT" is not, actually, a fact. No more "you are a noob, your opinions don't count", please. I don't need to pilot motherships to see what's going on. And frankly, skills and experience is the only difference between your performance and mine. You don't see, or understand this reality any better than I do.

Originally by: Ki An
If you aren't going back to WoW, at least shut up about Eve until you've spent enough time in game to actually learn about it. Right now you're making an ass of yourself, and in a game like Eve, making an ass of oneself isn't a good thing to do. Especially a new player who hasn't been around enough to defend himself against the people he ****es off.


Ass of myself? That was your role. I've been around to learn about what can happen to me, and to gankers. And what's that last part? A threat? LOL. Do locate me and come make my life miserable. Jesus, that was seriously pathetic Laughing

Malachon Draco
eXceeded
Posted - 2008.03.26 13:24:00 - [160]
 

Originally by: Myz Toyou
Edited by: Myz Toyou on 26/03/2008 13:17:45
Edited by: Myz Toyou on 26/03/2008 13:15:12
Can me please some1 give a real reason why CCP should change anything as long as I see hauler ganks on our KB with only cargo extenders fitted and empty midslots ?

Most reasons mentioned here so far are only to buff lazyness of empire dwellers.

These ******s deserve to die and lose everything they have on board tbh.


Well, personally I don't think CCP should fix everything and let Concord do all the work, but I do think that the 'carebears' have a point when they say that there is no real downside for suicide gankers. They get their insurance and a sechit they can easily work off. I am a great fan of seeing actions have consequences, and the consequences for suicide gankers are practically non-existent. The consequences currently for carebears are clear, you are flying a ship that either will never get insurance equal to its worth (hulk) or you get ganked and your uninsured cargo is gone. So carebears feel the pain of making stupid mistakes. People who gank do not. So making sec loss permanent for example could be fair. Or some other measure that ensures that a suicide ganker suffers some consequences from their actions.

Darius Brinn
Iberians
Posted - 2008.03.26 13:26:00 - [161]
 

Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Darius Brinn
Originally by: Malcanis

If you want EvE to be as hardcore as all that, why should NPCs protect you?


It's a necessity, as not all players have the same means, or started the game at the same time.

Again, I don't want Concord to PROTECT me. Concord, as you pirates say, DOES NOT PROTECT. It simply does not punish hard enough.

Pirates in EVE kill and loot. Then they kill a few rats, change their jackets and come to Empire for a bit of shopping and scanning future victims.

Our point is...we don't EVE lighter, or different. Just want high security gankers to pay the right price.


So in short: you want people punished for doing things you don't like, but rather than do it yourself, you want CCP to do it for you.


No, no. I cannot avoid gankers from receiving insurance ISK, or avoid their status to go up from ratting. I don't need any protection, nor I am ****ed off at lost ships.

Pirates ARE, though. See how they grab their insurance money and their sec priviledges and bark at arguments threatening their easy life?

Darius Brinn
Iberians
Posted - 2008.03.26 13:29:00 - [162]
 

Oh, and I want to (again) make a distinction about 0.0 dwellers and High sec gankers. I'm all for free PvP in 0.0, and I am preparing myself to move there permanently.

However, ganking in High security should be handled differently. Gankers have it way to easy and soft.

Avon
Caldari
Versatech Co.
Raiden.
Posted - 2008.03.26 13:36:00 - [163]
 

Edited by: Avon on 26/03/2008 13:36:43
Slightly OT, but any other older players saddened to see the Taggart Transdimensional name being dragged through the dirt by this guy?

Generally I am against alt posts, but this would have been a worthwhile exception.

Darius Brinn
Iberians
Posted - 2008.03.26 13:46:00 - [164]
 

Edited by: Darius Brinn on 26/03/2008 13:46:43
Originally by: Avon
Edited by: Avon on 26/03/2008 13:36:43
Slightly OT, but any other older players saddened to see the Taggart Transdimensional name being dragged through the dirt by this guy?

Generally I am against alt posts, but this would have been a worthwhile exception.


I have no alts, "saddened" pal. If it "saddens" you, I can hide my sig or make an alt. Anything to cheer you up. Rolling Eyes

I don't think I am dragging the name through the dirt. I joined a perfectly common topic, and was told to stop because apparently I am too new, or too whiney. My proposals, and those of others, are being ignored, of course.

I stand by all I wrote and will gladly leave the corporation if they think I am...embarrasing them.

Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2008.03.26 13:47:00 - [165]
 

Originally by: Darius Brinn
Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Darius Brinn
Originally by: Malcanis

If you want EvE to be as hardcore as all that, why should NPCs protect you?


It's a necessity, as not all players have the same means, or started the game at the same time.

Again, I don't want Concord to PROTECT me. Concord, as you pirates say, DOES NOT PROTECT. It simply does not punish hard enough.

Pirates in EVE kill and loot. Then they kill a few rats, change their jackets and come to Empire for a bit of shopping and scanning future victims.

Our point is...we don't EVE lighter, or different. Just want high security gankers to pay the right price.


So in short: you want people punished for doing things you don't like, but rather than do it yourself, you want CCP to do it for you.


No, no. I cannot avoid gankers from receiving insurance ISK, or avoid their status to go up from ratting. I don't need any protection, nor I am ****ed off at lost ships.

Pirates ARE, though. See how they grab their insurance money and their sec priviledges and bark at arguments threatening their easy life?


yes, yes. You want CCP to treat ship loss due to legitimate game activity A differently from ship loss due to legitimate game activity B but you don't have any good reason for this other than you like A and dislike B.

Even though you say otherwise, you still have not understood the plain and simple fact that suicide ganking is not "wrong". It's just as legitimate a game activity as mining or ratting or seiging a POS, no more no less.

If suicide ganking is more popular than it was a few months ago - when exactly the same game mechanics and conditions were in effect, mind you, then that is because there is some in-game reason for there to be. Specifically, that a small fraction of one alliance have decided that their purposes are served by removing as many hulks from certain areas of Empire as possible. Who the hell are you to decide that their purposes are invalid and that the rules of the game should be changed to thwart them?

Just saying "it's unfair" does not, I'm afraid, suffice. It's unfair? Too damb bad. Everyone gets the same options at startup, everyone can train the same skills, apply to corps, join alliances, fly the same ships around the same map. That's all the "fair" you get in EvE. Deal with it.


Avon
Caldari
Versatech Co.
Raiden.
Posted - 2008.03.26 13:48:00 - [166]
 

Originally by: Darius Brinn


I have no alts, "saddened" pal. If it "saddens" you, I can hide my sig or make an alt. Anything to cheer you up. Rolling Eyes

I don't think I am dragging the name through the dirt. I joined a perfectly common topic, and was told to stop because apparently I am too new, or too whiney. My proposals, and those of others, are being ignored, of course.

I stand by all I wrote and will gladly leave the corporation if they think I am...embarrasing them.


You aren't really in a postition to comment tbh, considering you have no idea what I am on about.

Darius Brinn
Iberians
Posted - 2008.03.26 13:53:00 - [167]
 

Originally by: Malcanis

yes, yes. You want CCP to treat ship loss due to legitimate game activity A differently from ship loss due to legitimate game activity B but you don't have any good reason for this other than you like A and dislike B.


True, Malcanis. I am just giving my opinion. Nothing more, nothing less.

Originally by: Malcanis
Even though you say otherwise, you still have not understood the plain and simple fact that suicide ganking is not "wrong". It's just as legitimate a game activity as mining or ratting or seiging a POS, no more no less.


I know, I know. It's not "wrong" nor should it be made impossible. I merely would LIKE to see harder consequences for pirates. Don't know if it's going to happen, and of course I'm not losing sleep over it.

Originally by: Malcanis
If suicide ganking is more popular than it was a few months ago - when exactly the same game mechanics and conditions were in effect, mind you, then that is because there is some in-game reason for there to be. Specifically, that a small fraction of one alliance have decided that their purposes are served by removing as many hulks from certain areas of Empire as possible. Who the hell are you to decide that their purposes are invalid and that the rules of the game should be changed to thwart them?


I am...nobody. I don't know about the Goons, or their crusade other than the forums. Nor I have suffered in any way a ganking. I simply see some aspect of the game I don't like, and suggest changes. Take them, ignore them, or go for my throat for them. It's just my opinion.

Originally by: Malcanis
Just saying "it's unfair" does not, I'm afraid, suffice. It's unfair? Too damb bad. Everyone gets the same options at startup, everyone can train the same skills, apply to corps, join alliances, fly the same ships around the same map. That's all the "fair" you get in EvE. Deal with it.


I deal with it. I play EVE. But I would prefer a few things done differently, and posting here is the way to let the world know. No harm done, right?

Darius Brinn
Iberians
Posted - 2008.03.26 13:56:00 - [168]
 

Originally by: Avon

You aren't really in a postition to comment tbh, considering you have no idea what I am on about.


Your suggestion that I am dragging my corp's name through the dirt is my queue to disagree in writing, and that's what I did. If my corp shares your opinion and would like to have me quit (or kick me), so be it. I am afraid I am not inclined to let go. I like a nasty, kid-like argument every now and then.

And I am not really interested in your particular activities, Avon.

Ki An
Gallente
The Really Awesome Players
Posted - 2008.03.26 13:56:00 - [169]
 

Originally by: Darius Brinn

I didn't say that. At all, "genius". I have just said that these consequences are not serious, as insurances and loot make up for anything the ganker loses, and industrials cannot transfer kill rights. This doesn't make me stupid, but actually shows you can't even read properly. Go back to school, kid. And pay attention this time. It's important NOT to put unsaid words in others' mouths. It makes you look...not very bright.


You don't know how serious the consequences are, becuase you have never had to face them. That makes you unable to grasp this thing. Let me put it this way: If there are, as you say, no consequences to suicide ganking, don't you think there would be a hell of a lot more suicide ganks in Empire? I mean, how many stargates do you go through each day? How many times do you meet another player at those stargates? Now multiply this by the amount of people playing in Empire each day. How many suicide ganks happen per day? It would be an understatement to say that in 99% of the encounters in Empire, no shots are exchanged. Why? Because of the consequences of high sec combat.

Originally by: Darius Brinn

That's exactly what I mean. CCP doesn't share it, fine. But you didn't resort to writing "I differ". You HAD to post this offensive nonsense and make a fool of yourself, poor, sad little thing.


Take a look at the posts you've made in this thread. You've basically insulted anyone who disagreed with you, wether they posted a flame or a constructive post. You are acting like a troll, and that's why I treat you like one.

Originally by: Darius Brinn

What exactly will losing a ship bring me? Not grief, being a lot of polygons in a game. I don't need a better idea, seeing as I am the only one with ideas (or a working brain) between me and you.


Again, you insult me instead of thinking about what I posted and why I posted it. You clearly need experience. You said yourself that you have never lost a ship to a pirate. You have no experience in PvP, and you have no grasp on how the economy works in Eve. You need experience, and you should be in game getting it instead of making a fool of yourself on the forums. Your alliance and corp will be able to tell you why you shouldn't post as you do.

Originally by: Darius Brinn
Everyone disagreeing? Learn to read. Offensive? You were the one that called me stupid right there. And what you take as "FACT" is not, actually, a fact. No more "you are a noob, your opinions don't count", please. I don't need to pilot motherships to see what's going on. And frankly, skills and experience is the only difference between your performance and mine. You don't see, or understand this reality any better than I do.


Your opinions count, but you are severely misguided leading to those opinions being tainted. This is again a matter of your lack of experience. This may sound elitist, but it is a fact that a player that has been around a couple of years and done various things, including PvP and mining, would know more about Eve game mechanics and why they are like they are than someone who is a few months old and has only mined.

Originally by: Darius Brinn
Ass of myself? That was your role. I've been around to learn about what can happen to me, and to gankers. And what's that last part? A threat? LOL. Do locate me and come make my life miserable. Jesus, that was seriously pathetic


I've been known to destroy the corp and alliance of people who have ****ed me off on the forums before. The last alliance my corp decced because of one of their characters making an ass of himself on the forums lasted a whole three days before they came crawling, wanting to pay a ransom, and having kicked the offending character.

I will not wave my e-peen around anymore, but I will use this as an example of what posting like you do can do to you and your friends. You don't like combat. A lot of people you are insulting like it. Take a hint.





Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2008.03.26 13:59:00 - [170]
 

Edited by: Malcanis on 26/03/2008 13:59:52
Originally by: Ki An

I've been known to destroy the corp and alliance of people who have ****ed me off on the forums before. The last alliance my corp decced because of one of their characters making an ass of himself on the forums lasted a whole three days before they came crawling, wanting to pay a ransom, and having kicked the offending character.

I will not wave my e-peen around anymore, but I will use this as an example of what posting like you do can do to you and your friends. You don't like combat. A lot of people you are insulting like it. Take a hint.




50M sent. Use it as you think best.

flakeys
The Great cornholio's
Paper Tiger Coalition
Posted - 2008.03.26 14:04:00 - [171]
 

Long post about people not caring what others do or don't .... yet you make a post about you not caring...why would i care?

Malachon Draco
eXceeded
Posted - 2008.03.26 14:17:00 - [172]
 

Originally by: Ki An
Originally by: Darius Brinn

I didn't say that. At all, "genius". I have just said that these consequences are not serious, as insurances and loot make up for anything the ganker loses, and industrials cannot transfer kill rights. This doesn't make me stupid, but actually shows you can't even read properly. Go back to school, kid. And pay attention this time. It's important NOT to put unsaid words in others' mouths. It makes you look...not very bright.


You don't know how serious the consequences are, becuase you have never had to face them. That makes you unable to grasp this thing. Let me put it this way: If there are, as you say, no consequences to suicide ganking, don't you think there would be a hell of a lot more suicide ganks in Empire? I mean, how many stargates do you go through each day? How many times do you meet another player at those stargates? Now multiply this by the amount of people playing in Empire each day. How many suicide ganks happen per day? It would be an understatement to say that in 99% of the encounters in Empire, no shots are exchanged. Why? Because of the consequences of high sec combat.



You cannot simply draw the conclusion that suicide ganking is fine because not more people are doing it. There are tons of reasons people might not engage in suicide ganking. Its like saying it would be fine if people could make 200m an hour running level 4 missions since there would still be a number of people not doing them, so they couldn't be overpowered because if they were overpowered, everyone would run them.

People choose a certain activity either because its fun, or because the risk/reward trade-off is sufficiently attractive to make the activity a good enough iskmaker to fund other fun activities. Some people will suicide gank haulers because it makes decent isk. Others will not do it because they find the gameplay where they have to sit at gates for hours and scan passing ships till a juicy target comes along too boring. Some will not do it because the idea to play like that never occurred to them.

Goons seem to suicide gank hulks because they think its fun. Personally, I'd be bored to sit around and look for barges and exhumers to gank, but to each his own.

The analysis of whether something should be changed should not depend solely on whether or not lots of people do it. Only very few people engaged in POS bowling, yet CCP changed it. Why?

Bottomline to the discussion IMO is whether the risk/reward trade-off for all sides in suicide ganking is appropriate for a harsh universe like Eve. Personally I think the risk/reward trade-off for the ganked people is great. If they do something stupid, they risk dying and lose a lot of isk. Excellent. The risk/reward trade-off for gankers, I think is a bit off. There should be more risk. I don't want to protect the carebears more, since I like their overall risk/reward trade-off, but I would think that increasing the price for gankers would be fair because under the current setup there is really no risk at all.

Darius Brinn
Iberians
Posted - 2008.03.26 14:25:00 - [173]
 

Edited by: Darius Brinn on 26/03/2008 14:26:29
Originally by: Ki An


You don't know how serious the consequences are, becuase you have never had to face them. That makes you unable to grasp this thing. Let me put it this way: If there are, as you say, no consequences to suicide ganking, don't you think there would be a hell of a lot more suicide ganks in Empire? I mean, how many stargates do you go through each day? How many times do you meet another player at those stargates? Now multiply this by the amount of people playing in Empire each day. How many suicide ganks happen per day? It would be an understatement to say that in 99% of the encounters in Empire, no shots are exchanged. Why? Because of the consequences of high sec combat.


Excuse me, but I know the consequences of being ganked. I don't need to suffer them in order to understand them, that's absurd. Also, saying that High sec ganking is not a plague because of the consecuences is assuming too much. You take too much for granted. Maybe it's because Empire is crowded with people who consider PvP a secondary thing? I KNOW I am a newbie, but your being a veteran doesn't precisely mean you know it all. Not by a long shot.


Originally by: Ki An
Take a look at the posts you've made in this thread. You've basically insulted anyone who disagreed with you, wether they posted a flame or a constructive post. You are acting like a troll, and that's why I treat you like one.


I have been insulted, too. And I never start. Still, I want to keep this civil enough, and apologize to anybody that took an offence. You included.


Originally by: Ki An
Again, you insult me instead of thinking about what I posted and why I posted it. You clearly need experience. You said yourself that you have never lost a ship to a pirate. You have no experience in PvP, and you have no grasp on how the economy works in Eve. You need experience, and you should be in game getting it instead of making a fool of yourself on the forums. Your alliance and corp will be able to tell you why you shouldn't post as you do.


I said I haven't lost a ship to a pirate. I never said I haven't lost a ship. If my corporation wants to discipline me, or kick me out, they know where to find me.

Originally by: Ki An
Your opinions count, but you are severely misguided leading to those opinions being tainted. This is again a matter of your lack of experience. This may sound elitist, but it is a fact that a player that has been around a couple of years and done various things, including PvP and mining, would know more about Eve game mechanics and why they are like they are than someone who is a few months old and has only mined.


I am tainting others? Please. You grace me with such a high concept of my persuading and influencing powers. I just stated my opinions. I don't think I need more experience to throw a valid opinion of consequences of high sec ganking. Love, ignore or hate my opinions, but don't diss me out as a newbie not worth replying to. I see the problem and address the thing. That's all. Don't think there's a real problem, even? Fine. Your opinion is as valid as mine.

Originally by: Ki An
I've been known to destroy the corp and alliance of people who have ****ed me off on the forums before. The last alliance my corp decced because of one of their characters making an ass of himself on the forums lasted a whole three days before they came crawling, wanting to pay a ransom, and having kicked the offending character. I will not wave my e-peen around anymore, but I will use this as an example of what posting like you do can do to you and your friends. You don't like combat. A lot of people you are insulting like it. Take a hint.


Threatening again? The day somebody I don't know threatens me about a videogame is the day I die, honestly. For your information, I am going to quit Taggart (don't want to bring them trouble) and you do as you please. If you want to achieve through muscle what you can't through discussion, it's up to you.

Avon
Caldari
Versatech Co.
Raiden.
Posted - 2008.03.26 14:28:00 - [174]
 

Edited by: Avon on 26/03/2008 14:28:41
Quote:
For your information, I am going to quit Taggart (don't want to bring them trouble) and let you do as you please. If you want to achieve through muscle what you can't through regular discussion, it's up to you.


I think you are slowly starting to *get* Eve.

Malachon Draco
eXceeded
Posted - 2008.03.26 14:31:00 - [175]
 

Originally by: Ki An

I've been known to destroy the corp and alliance of people who have ****ed me off on the forums before. The last alliance my corp decced because of one of their characters making an ass of himself on the forums lasted a whole three days before they came crawling, wanting to pay a ransom, and having kicked the offending character.

I will not wave my e-peen around anymore, but I will use this as an example of what posting like you do can do to you and your friends. You don't like combat. A lot of people you are insulting like it. Take a hint


Haha, please wave your e-peen around a bit more and tell us what alliance that was.

Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2008.03.26 14:36:00 - [176]
 

Originally by: Malachon Draco
Originally by: Ki An

I've been known to destroy the corp and alliance of people who have ****ed me off on the forums before. The last alliance my corp decced because of one of their characters making an ass of himself on the forums lasted a whole three days before they came crawling, wanting to pay a ransom, and having kicked the offending character.

I will not wave my e-peen around anymore, but I will use this as an example of what posting like you do can do to you and your friends. You don't like combat. A lot of people you are insulting like it. Take a hint


Haha, please wave your e-peen around a bit more and tell us what alliance that was.



I'm guessing he's referring to Ten Tigers who used to be in Unknown Soldiers Industries until he decided to run his mouth off at Ki (amongst others).

Darius Brinn
Iberians
Posted - 2008.03.26 14:37:00 - [177]
 

Edited by: Darius Brinn on 26/03/2008 14:55:43
Edited by: Darius Brinn on 26/03/2008 14:40:26
Originally by: Avon
Edited by: Avon on 26/03/2008 14:28:41
Quote:
For your information, I am going to quit Taggart (don't want to bring them trouble) and let you do as you please. If you want to achieve through muscle what you can't through regular discussion, it's up to you.


I think you are slowly starting to *get* Eve.


XD yeah, I might. I also get that not being labelled right makes people automatically jump into the threat-mobile. I wonder if people with such ideas were bullied in school a lot.

Note that I am not specifically quitting because of a random threat, but I'd better be responsible. This speeds up decision that was already matured, in the best case. I don't care about my ships being blown, but I can't bring anything to others.

I was going to quit anyways, as I live in Empire, dozens of jumps from them, and never participated in their operations...nor even saw a corp mate physically. I just liked their site, their philosophy and the advice they've given me.

Darius Brinn
Iberians
Posted - 2008.03.26 14:50:00 - [178]
 

Quote:
You don't like combat. A lot of people you are insulting like it. Take a hint.


Ki'an, I do like combat. I am merely biding my time until I skill up properly.

Also, apart from you, who did I insult?
Apart from you, who did insult me?

Nobody. It was you doing the insulting, and getting some back.



Ki An
Gallente
The Really Awesome Players
Posted - 2008.03.26 15:22:00 - [179]
 

Originally by: Darius Brinn

Ki'an, I do like combat. I am merely biding my time until I skill up properly.

Also, apart from you, who did I insult?
Apart from you, who did insult me?

Nobody. It was you doing the insulting, and getting some back.



As I said, take a look at your posts, in particular those directed at Avon, a long time player and someone who knows what he's talking about. The tone you take against him is definitely over the top. The banter between you and me I don't include, because I know I'm being an ass as well. The difference between you and me is that I can and do back up what I say on the forums in game.

As for your reply to my last post, please read through my post again, as you have misunderstood me - possibly in a fit of nerd rage - on a couple of important points. When you have calmed yourself down and feel like responding to me in a reasoned manner (insult all you want, just keep to the point), we can continue the discussion.

Also a question: Are you planning on leaving your alliance soon? I don't want to waste Malcanis' 50 million.

And finally to Malachon: Malcanis is correct. I was referring to Ten Tigers.

Darius Brinn
Iberians
Posted - 2008.03.26 15:33:00 - [180]
 

Edited by: Darius Brinn on 26/03/2008 15:44:50
Edited by: Darius Brinn on 26/03/2008 15:44:28
Edited by: Darius Brinn on 26/03/2008 15:36:04
Originally by: Ki An

As I said, take a look at your posts, in particular those directed at Avon, a long time player and someone who knows what he's talking about. The tone you take against him is definitely over the top. The banter between you and me I don't include, because I know I'm being an ass as well. The difference between you and me is that I can and do back up what I say on the forums in game.


My tone is exactly as over the top as his. Only less patronizing. His position, or time in the game haven't obviously made him any wiser, or any more able to refute my points without insulting, or claiming I drag my corporation's name through the mud.

It is true that I cannot back up my stances in-game. Nor should I have to. Those who bring the pew pew to the table tend to lack the arguments to back themselves up. Same thing as schoolyard bullies, yes.

However, I might be able to do it, someday. Not now as I am 3M SP, but eventually. I get goose bumps at the idea of destroying one of those Astartes you sport. Ah, EVE. Gotta love it. Still, too far for my immediate future.

Originally by: Ki An
As for your reply to my last post, please read through my post again, as you have misunderstood me - possibly in a fit of nerd rage - on a couple of important points. When you have calmed yourself down and feel like responding to me in a reasoned manner (insult all you want, just keep to the point), we can continue the discussion.


Nerd rages are not my thing, though. I am far too old. I am pretty much calmed down, and as far as I can read I always respond in a reasoned manner. We can continue the discussion. Care to illustrate me in what exactly did I misunderstand you? You did not get the insurance thing, and got it wrong with real life insurances. It's not the only thing you got wrong.

Originally by: Ki An
Also a question: Are you planning on leaving your alliance soon? I don't want to waste Malcanis' 50 million.


Yes, when I get home from work this evening. Already told them. Still, you can put them in a personal bounty, I guess.


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