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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2008.03.26 00:38:00 - [91]
 

Originally by: Schalac
Yes the Drake needs a boost. I think it should have 200 more calibration points and 20% per level of battle cruisers to velocity and flight time of heavy missiles. Add an explosive damage boost along with the kinetic, and it should have 2 more mid slots and 1 more low slot. As it stands right now though the drake is a big flat piece of garbage. I would never even attempt to fly one of those useless ships.

And one extra launcher slot, don't you ever forget that !

d3vo
Posted - 2008.03.26 01:15:00 - [92]
 

the drake doesnt need another missile slot
giving it 8 would make an imbalance between the other battlecruisers
changing the dps bonus to a rof bonus is better
7.5% increase rof of heavy missiles and heavy assault missiles

Liang Nuren
Posted - 2008.03.26 01:21:00 - [93]
 

Edited by: Liang Nuren on 26/03/2008 01:25:50
Originally by: d3vo
the drake doesnt need another missile slot
giving it 8 would make an imbalance between the other battlecruisers
changing the dps bonus to a rof bonus is better
7.5% increase rof of heavy missiles and heavy assault missiles


Strictly speaking:
Switching the damage bonus out for a ROF bonus would increase the Drake's max DPS by 8 1/3% (and up to 33 1/3% for unbonused damage types) - an average of a 27% damage increase across all damage types.

Adding in an eighth launcher would increase overall damage by 14.2%.

Realistically, Kinetic missiles are currently used in 80% of all situations, so you'd really only see a 27% increase in PVE ability, and 13 1/3% increase in PVP.

-Liang

d3vo
Posted - 2008.03.26 01:26:00 - [94]
 

Originally by: Liang Nuren
Originally by: d3vo
the drake doesnt need another missile slot
giving it 8 would make an imbalance between the other battlecruisers
changing the dps bonus to a rof bonus is better
7.5% increase rof of heavy missiles and heavy assault missiles


Strictly speaking:
Switching the damage bonus out for a ROF bonus would increase the Drake's max DPS by 8 1/3% (and up to 33 1/3% for unbonused damage types) - an average of a 27% damage increase across all damage types.

Adding in an eighth launcher would increase overall damage by 14.2%.

Realistically, Kinetic missiles are currently used in 80% of all situations, so you'd really only see a 27% increase in PVE ability.

-Liang

thats a good thing...

if not...then just change the base dps for heavy missiles to 175 :P

Hallowed ground
Posted - 2008.03.26 01:26:00 - [95]
 

It needs an extra mid to fit scram/web and more grid to fit all HAM with crap skills. Give it also 3 more lows so it can nano and dicate HAM range. then give a range and rof bonus on kinetic missles. Then up its base speed by 50 percent. increase its drone bay also so it can field a flight of warriors II or a flight of ECM. apply sarcasm filter and disregard this post.

d3vo
Posted - 2008.03.26 01:35:00 - [96]
 

Originally by: Hallowed ground
It needs an extra mid to fit scram/web and more grid to fit all HAM with crap skills. Give it also 3 more lows so it can nano and dicate HAM range. then give a range and rof bonus on kinetic missles. Then up its base speed by 50 percent. increase its drone bay also so it can field a flight of warriors II or a flight of ECM. apply sarcasm filter and disregard this post.

LOL i was about to say...before that last sentence...phew you are crazy
8/7/7, that drake would be unstoppable

Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
Posted - 2008.03.26 01:35:00 - [97]
 

Edited by: Akita T on 26/03/2008 01:37:08

Nonono, you read it wrong...
It's 8th missile launcher slot AND -5% RoF instead of 5% resists AND let's say 250 MW extra to the powergrid.
Oh, and a 550 m^3 cargohold. I mean, come on, missile-boat! It's supposed to have more cargo than gunboats !
On top of one extra low slot, of course. Maybe just one extra mid, two would be overkill.
You know, unlike everything else, I just said, goes without saying...
Twisted Evil

Liang Nuren
Posted - 2008.03.26 01:38:00 - [98]
 

Originally by: Akita T
Edited by: Akita T on 26/03/2008 01:37:08

Nonono, you read it wrong...
It's 8th missile launcher slot AND -5% RoF instead of 5% resists AND let's say 250 MW extra to the powergrid.
Oh, and a 550 m^3 cargohold. I mean, come on, missile-boat! It's supposed to have more cargo than gunboats !
On top of one extra low slot, of course. Maybe just one extra mid, two would be overkill.
You know, unlike everything else, I just said, goes without saying...
Twisted Evil



Honestly, 8th turret + ROF would only yield a 30% overall damage increase... (37% for unbonused damage types).

I'd say lets do it. :-P

-Liang

d3vo
Posted - 2008.03.26 01:42:00 - [99]
 

be realistic stop trolling...
would be nice to see the noticably weakest tier2 bc get a little boost...

Liang Nuren
Posted - 2008.03.26 01:43:00 - [100]
 

Originally by: d3vo
be realistic stop trolling...
would be nice to see the noticably weakest tier2 bc get a little boost...


Shocked IMO, the Drake is inarguably the best T1 BC... (and yes, I fly it)

-Liang

d3vo
Posted - 2008.03.26 01:52:00 - [101]
 

yet arguably the worst
harbinger can easily out dps the drake including 5xhammerheads II
mymidon...6 blasters and drone set, tank ship
hurricane has a dps and rof bonus, nano cane can kill a drake

Liang Nuren
Posted - 2008.03.26 01:57:00 - [102]
 

Edited by: Liang Nuren on 26/03/2008 01:59:03
Originally by: d3vo
yet arguably the worst
harbinger can easily out dps the drake including 5xhammerheads II
mymidon...6 blasters and drone set, tank ship
hurricane has a dps and rof bonus, nano cane can kill a drake


The Harbinger will die to the Drake if for no other reason than the Drake having a better tank. The Harby is notoriously hard to fit, and pretty much has to be plated.

The Myrmidon got its teeth kicked in and only has a single damage bonus to medium drones. In all fairness, its like fighting a slightly bigger Vexor. Barring its use on gates to tank, I doubt I'd use the Myrm for anything these days. Wait, the Drake is better on gates too...

The Hurricane is something of a glass cannon. It has a truly pathetic tank, and even if you just fit your Drake for absolute gank, you'll find yourself going through 1.5-2 Hurricanes before they start to break your tank.

Honestly, that's supposing that they *CAN* break your tank.

-Liang

Ed: And a Nanocane will *NEVER* *EVER* kill any sort of Drake pilot that actually shoots at him. He can't speed tank the missiles effectively, and can't deal damage while MWD'ing anyway.

Thus, shoot at him. If he slows down to shoot you, he dies. If he doesn't slow down, he dies due to ineffective speed tank and a lack of a regular tank.

Nanocane is overrated, and this is one of those situations that you just don't get yourself into in one.

Liang Nuren
Posted - 2008.03.26 02:01:00 - [103]
 

For the record, the Harbinger is BC most able to take down a Drake (and IMO is quite likely the second best BC).

-Liang

F90OEX
F9X
Posted - 2008.03.26 02:24:00 - [104]
 

Reading this is like watching paint dry .. Wink shield recharge time is not going to help the PVP Drake cause. IE Mwd, web and point + Tank any better.

Faction Nano Pvp Drake is where its at :) Proven in battle, Works like a champ.. Laughing

Hallowed ground
Posted - 2008.03.26 02:36:00 - [105]
 

Edited by: Liang Nuren on 25/03/2008 00:48:01
I PVP in Drakes, Falcons, Rooks, Scorps, Ravens, and Caracals (roughly in order of usage).

-Liang

Ed: Yes, I am successful, even solo (provided the ship *CAN* solo [falcon]).
--
Naturally, I do not in any way speak for my corp or alliance

LOL he says it's his favorite caldari pvp ship and then whines about it needing a boost. Also states that he is successful.

Liang Nuren
Posted - 2008.03.26 02:38:00 - [106]
 

Originally by: Hallowed ground
Edited by: Liang Nuren on 25/03/2008 00:48:01
I PVP in Drakes, Falcons, Rooks, Scorps, Ravens, and Caracals (roughly in order of usage).

-Liang

Ed: Yes, I am successful, even solo (provided the ship *CAN* solo [falcon]).
--
Naturally, I do not in any way speak for my corp or alliance

LOL he says it's his favorite caldari pvp ship and then whines about it needing a boost. Also states that he is successful.


The doctor prescribed "Sarcasm Detection" pills for you to take tonight. Take 2 and read the entire thread tomorrow.

-Liang

Darth Vaders
Caldari
Divine Slaves
Posted - 2008.03.26 02:59:00 - [107]
 

Edited by: Darth Vaders on 26/03/2008 03:08:56
It is ridiculus to ask a boost for the Drake. Let's hope CCP spare us and doesn't nerf it any further.

I mean the ship rocks. Its almost as good as a Nighthawk and is better than the Amarr command ships!! And i mean i am mainly a miner. With low skills on Missiles (only heavies and cruisers tech 2) but all the rest at 4 . Same with shields engineering all at lvl 4 apart engineering at 5. I invested most of my skillpoints at Manufacturing 5 Refinery 5 Refinery Efficiency 5 and Hulk lvl 4. You get the idea.

Well from time to time i run lvl 4 missions with this Drake. It has a bit hard fiting so i wear a hardwiring to raise the PG. But the ship is mean. I can do crazy things with it. I can tank World's collide lvl 4 with some attention of course. But i can do it whereareas my alt that is minmatar with BS lvl 4 and over 4M sp in gunnery and ecxellent skills at armor tanking can't. When i have to do a high aggro lvl 4 mission i always put this character first to get some aggro . Then i get in with my Minmatar character and clear the area faster.

The thing is that with this character i can clear the mission alone. It will just take a bit longer. But i can't do it vice versa. So i have 2 characters a miner/manufacturer/trader that flies the Drake with good skills (for the Drake) but not much else. And a clearly combat character with around the same amount of SP and still the carebear is better!!!!

I can even do the lvl 4s easier with the Drake compaired to the Raven where i have tech 2 cruise missiles etc but still Drake is better than the Raven for lvl 4s at least for me.

I am in love with the Drake it's a superb ship and is better than the rest even for pvp. I really hope CCP have mercy on me and doesn't nerf this ship


Darth Vaders
Caldari
Divine Slaves
Posted - 2008.03.26 03:06:00 - [108]
 

Now i don;t fly Amarr ships at all. And i don't plan to. But i played a bit with EFT and i honestly think that despite the recent boost the amarr lack a good ship to do PvE. The worst ship Amarr got is Abaddon. I think they should give the ship at least a 50% to cap use for lasers because it is really really bad as it is. I saw the ship being used a lot in the recent PvP alliance tournament but imo is the worst BS of the game. So if there are people they should complain are still the Amarr despite the recent boost.

Ra'ita
Posted - 2008.03.26 05:38:00 - [109]
 

Originally by: Liang Nuren


The doctor prescribed "Sarcasm Detection" pills for you to take tonight. Take 2 and read the entire thread tomorrow.


You're a cruel, cruel man. And I love you for it.

Rawr Cristina
Caldari
Naqam
Posted - 2008.03.26 07:37:00 - [110]
 

Edited by: Rawr Cristina on 26/03/2008 07:37:21
I'm confused Confused


Jennifer Flate
Caldari
Clandestine Encounters
Posted - 2008.03.26 11:38:00 - [111]
 

bump? or point proven, oh glorious liang?

Cpt Cosmic
Posted - 2008.03.26 11:54:00 - [112]
 

poor guys are you all I mean you all dont notice the sweetness of irony even it is put on a silver plate for ya Rolling Eyes

RedeyeAce
Caldari
Solar Revenue Service
Posted - 2008.03.27 23:14:00 - [113]
 

Edited by: RedeyeAce on 28/03/2008 08:40:14
Liang... OMG look what youve gone and started.. i've been non stop laughing throughout the whole of this thread. All I can say is Superb!!

Nice to see the usual suspects in here and not at all surprised by their comments.. shame really. By the way I think youve been a bit rude by not answering the below comment.. not nice to keep a guy waiting now is it..

Edited by: Cpt Cosmic on 25/03/2008 04:59:03

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good old tears of doom :)
btw ure hot wanna have some babies?

p.s. While were at it, Perhaps we should discuss the need for the phoon to have 12 high's and 6/6 split and the fitting ability to go with it ..

Liang Nuren
Posted - 2008.03.27 23:22:00 - [114]
 

Originally by: RedeyeAce
Liang... OMG look what youve gone and started.. i've been non stop laughing throughout the whole of this thread. All I can say is Superb!! I'm anticipating this continuing on for a fair few pages yet!!!

Nice to see the usual suspects in here and not at all surprised by their comments.. shame really. By the way I think youve been a bit rude by not answering the below comment.. not nice to keep a guy waiting now is it..

Edited by: Cpt Cosmic on 25/03/2008 04:59:03

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Such a sad panda makes the Caldari population cry. :'(
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good old tears of doom :)
btw ure hot wanna have some babies?

p.s. While were at it, Perhaps we should discuss the need for the phoon to have 12 high's and 6/6 split and the fitting ability to go with it ..


Heh, sure. :P

-Liang

Schalac
Caldari
Apocalypse Reign
Posted - 2008.03.29 00:41:00 - [115]
 

I still want my 100% bonuses to velocity and flight time of heavy missiles so I can SS and shoot at anyone in the system with FoF missiles.

Inuyasha507
Caldari
Ever Flow
Posted - 2008.03.29 03:51:00 - [116]
 

Nerf Caldari. Boost Amarr. Support Blaze Crystals. Do it.

Beriel
Cosmic Odyssey
Cosmic Anomalies
Posted - 2008.03.29 06:52:00 - [117]
 

yeah, not really sure what you are talking about. granted the drake is not suited from 1v1 roaming but if you have a stationary location or a decent gang the drake has an incredible tank and is the ultimate f1-f7 and forget.


leung bak
Caldari
Copperhead Arsenal
The Fourth District
Posted - 2008.03.29 11:16:00 - [118]
 

Originally by: arbalesttom
The drake is absolutely fine as it is now (Proof), it doesnt need any kind of boost (i like the 5% kinetic bonus swapped to a rof bonus though).


Damn you got me again with that link.

Hmm im starting to like the song so keep it coming Very Happy


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