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Pax Scindus
Gallente
The Southern Gentleman's Social Club
Posted - 2008.11.29 16:25:00 - [211]
 

I really do enjoy the thought of Ninja Salvaging.
For some reason, my character already has all the scan probe and salvaging skills I think Id need to start...
I guess I trained for some long-forgotten goal, and neglected to follow through.
Perhaps its time to try yet another profession!
Y'all from Suddenly Ninjas are alright in my book.
Pretty sure my new corp wouldnt like me ninja-in', but meh.
Happy hunting.
YARRRR!!
-Pax

Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Ship Construction Services
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2008.11.29 18:50:00 - [212]
 

Edited by: Kahega Amielden on 29/11/2008 18:51:29

There are some strangely -bad- ninjas out there. I cringe every time I hear of someone ninjaing in a destroyer.


But yeah, a well-fit ninja will easily outsalvage any boat that relies on tractor beams...most of the time. If the ninja does not have high salvage skills, no salvage rigs, in a t1 frig etc...and the missioner is in a marauder with a pimped salvage fit (salvage tackle rigs) then he stands a chance of getting maybe 20-40% of the salvage...maybe.

Narus
Posted - 2008.12.29 23:54:00 - [213]
 

Edited by: Narus on 29/12/2008 23:56:25
lulz

Jirock
Pastry Productions Inc.
Posted - 2008.12.31 00:26:00 - [214]
 

What i dont understand is this.

mission runners whine that we are taking their money (because they would of salvaged etc after the mission has finished)
Now, when it comes to lvl 4's, you can easily spend an hour (okay, maybe not that long, but it feels like it) looting an what not. so lets say you double the mission value by doing this.....

um, how slow are you doing the missions for isk/hour to make it worth it if you are on your own? even when theres a group it can be a slow process.

thats right whining mission runners, you are doing it wrong.

Michael Woodard
Posted - 2008.12.31 04:52:00 - [215]
 

I have found this thread very entertaining heck it even encouraged me to want to train up my astrometric skills and probes. I also wanted to know what would be a good salvaging ship to use that is gallente if its possible to use one as a salvager.

Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Ship Construction Services
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2008.12.31 06:32:00 - [216]
 

Edited by: Kahega Amielden on 31/12/2008 06:32:46
Quote:
I have found this thread very entertaining heck it even encouraged me to want to train up my astrometric skills and probes. I also wanted to know what would be a good salvaging ship to use that is gallente if its possible to use one as a salvager.


An Atron would work pretty well. Most of the t1 interceptor frigs are good. I've heard some say that the Incursus is better. It's still just as agile and fast when fitted right, and has 4 highs for salvagers. An interceptor would be even better

Up to you, really. Anything small and fast. Ideally you should be able to permarun an ABII

Claire Cyrille
Posted - 2008.12.31 14:08:00 - [217]
 

i've used my dramiel fitted with an imp cloak 2 and a deadspace afterburner. works well enough and it makes the missioners get madder at me. it makes me lol

i've done quite a good deal of missioning too, been probed out my fair share, sure its irritating, but its not like i salvage the wrecks anyways unless its sansha or angels. let the salvage thieves take the wrecks, it cuts down on lag anyways. less lag = win!

Claire Cyrille
Posted - 2008.12.31 14:09:00 - [218]
 

Edited by: Claire Cyrille on 31/12/2008 14:10:50
jeez. these double/triple posts cause of bad internet are driving me mad

Tchell Dahhn
Suddenly Ninjas
Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
Posted - 2008.12.31 14:26:00 - [219]
 

Originally by: Claire Cyrille
i've used my dramiel fitted with an imp cloak 2 and a deadspace afterburner. works well enough and it makes the missioners get madder at me. it makes me lol


Have we met?

I've just fit up a nice Dramiel, with dual OD II and a Nano II low, Gistii B-Type 1MN AB and Small Shield Extender II mid, and three Salvager I, one Small Tractor Beam I and one Prototype Cloaking Device I high... ...oh yeah, and don't forget the three Salvage Tackle I rigs.

Nothing beats the "Prestige" Salvage fit, eh? (In fact, we're having a challenge on our Forums right now for who has the 'nicest' Prestige Salvage Ship.)

Cool

Dedalus77
The Logistical Nightmare
Posted - 2008.12.31 15:24:00 - [220]
 

Personally I spent my isk on my scan ship, going with a covert ops Buzzard and T2 Cloak so I can scan down missioners without them knowing. Then I return in my cheap as dirt salvager, it's fast enough that I beat most mission runners to the salvage (if they are salvaging) and I can perma-run my AB. If the missioner left any NPCs floating around (which seems to be a new trend) I'm not worried about losing an expensive ship, I think my total build cost is around 40,000 isk excluding the salvage rigs which I make myself.

Perhaps someday when I have enough of a bankroll I'll go with a prestige salvager, but for now I kind of like going with my little tin can.

Matt Anar
Posted - 2009.01.01 10:47:00 - [221]
 

I thought about using a Buzzard as scanner and salavager. But is it really worth it?
It would take me about a month to learn the needed skills.. Can you warp into the mission while cloaked and cloak again between wrecks?

Gavin DeVries
Posted - 2009.01.01 12:54:00 - [222]
 

Scanner? Yes, definitely worth it. Salvager? Perhaps. Cargo hold is low, but aside from metal scraps salvage is tiny. You can cloak again in the mission space as long as nothing is within 2000 meters, but there are often structures, rocks, or even gas clouds that prevent you from cloaking.

Dedalus77
The Logistical Nightmare
Posted - 2009.01.01 15:50:00 - [223]
 

I wouldn't bother using the Buzzard as a salvager, it's not fast enough nor does it have enough high slots to fit enough salvagers. For your scan ship you want something that gives a bonus to astrometric skills and for your salvager you want the fastest frigate you can get your hands on (which is why some folks now use interceptors).

The other thing about using the Buzzard as a salvager is that it's expensive, as is the T2 cloak you fit it with, so it's kind of risky hanging around a mission with it, especially if there are active NPCs.

Corporal Fyarr
Posted - 2009.01.01 16:02:00 - [224]
 

Originally by: Kahega Amielden
Edited by: Kahega Amielden on 31/12/2008 06:32:46
Quote:
I have found this thread very entertaining heck it even encouraged me to want to train up my astrometric skills and probes. I also wanted to know what would be a good salvaging ship to use that is gallente if its possible to use one as a salvager.


An Atron would work pretty well. Most of the t1 interceptor frigs are good. I've heard some say that the Incursus is better. It's still just as agile and fast when fitted right, and has 4 highs for salvagers. An interceptor would be even better

Up to you, really. Anything small and fast. Ideally you should be able to permarun an ABII



Hey thanks for the reply this should get me started in the right direction

sirovai
Amarr
I'M ON A BOAT
Posted - 2009.01.03 11:11:00 - [225]
 

So this is where the russians got their info. Thank you for destroying eve.

Zaldoza
Caldari
Posted - 2009.01.03 11:36:00 - [226]
 

Had a guy ninja salvaging me after Buzz Kill mission yesterday,he was a little late though since cleared most of the wrecks.Still i didn't mind since that mission generate a s*** load of wrecks...Cant really get mad at those guys,its not like they ruin my mission..

Tchell Dahhn
Suddenly Ninjas
Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
Posted - 2009.01.03 14:57:00 - [227]
 

Originally by: sirovai
So this is where the russians got their info. Thank you for destroying eve.


Cry more.

Noe Saked
Minmatar
Umbra Legion
Posted - 2009.01.03 19:56:00 - [228]
 

hehe good stuff. Gl with the ninja-ing

Dred 'Morte
New European Regiment
Blade.
Posted - 2009.01.03 23:10:00 - [229]
 

Edited by: Dred ''Morte on 03/01/2009 23:10:57
Question: is it not more profitable to ninja salvage in 0.0? Like the old days when you would ninja mine crokite in a Probe near Empire! Shocked Seriously, there are plenty of zones of 0.0 where ratters fill entire systems of large wrecks. Of corse, you may be chased by interceptors but that's the whole risk vs reward thing.

SirMoric
Caldari
State War Academy
Posted - 2009.01.04 07:38:00 - [230]
 

All that work, why don't you just ask me where I am. I don't salvage myself, and you can have it all, if you want.

See you in space.

Rgds

Salena Ferrier
Posted - 2009.01.04 13:41:00 - [231]
 

I also don't mind the occasional salvager showing up etc. However, just had one come in and take my Mission Objective which really screwed me up. He can have salvage and loot but why take the objective? Makes me lose standings with Corp which is hard to get in the first place. Don't care about the isk. Starting to lose what little respect I did have for the Ninja salvagers.Mad

Salena Ferrier
Posted - 2009.01.04 13:46:00 - [232]
 

Did I mention it was a member of Suddenly Ninjas that stole my Mission Objective - 5 corpses - what are they worth?...lol.Neutral

Vienna Gates
Caldari
Aperture Research Laboratories
Posted - 2009.01.04 15:48:00 - [233]
 

Originally by: Salena Ferrier
Did I mention it was a member of Suddenly Ninjas that stole my Mission Objective - 5 corpses - what are they worth?...lol.Neutral


I seriously love those guys. Laughing

JordanParey
Suddenly Ninjas
Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
Posted - 2009.01.05 07:19:00 - [234]
 

Originally by: Salena Ferrier
Did I mention it was a member of Suddenly Ninjas that stole my Mission Objective - 5 corpses - what are they worth?...lol.Neutral


mighta been one of the newer members- corp veterans rarely do that stuff.

Gavin DeVries
Posted - 2009.01.05 14:46:00 - [235]
 

Originally by: Dred 'Morte
Edited by: Dred ''Morte on 03/01/2009 23:10:57
Question: is it not more profitable to ninja salvage in 0.0? Like the old days when you would ninja mine crokite in a Probe near Empire! Shocked Seriously, there are plenty of zones of 0.0 where ratters fill entire systems of large wrecks. Of corse, you may be chased by interceptors but that's the whole risk vs reward thing.


"Ninja salvaging" really only works in hi-sec. You get blown up if you do it in lo-sec or null-sec.

Strel Samodelkin
Caldari Nationalist Party
Posted - 2009.01.05 16:53:00 - [236]
 

Very good guide! Thumbs up!!!

Bo'Tox
Posted - 2009.01.05 23:07:00 - [237]
 

Edited by: Bo''Tox on 05/01/2009 23:07:11
Overall a good guide.

But for the time it takes to drop all those probes and scan sites out by going to BM's you could go to systems with High numbers of belts, start taking down the belt rats with drones whilst mining, earn isk from bounties, my mackinaw gets close to a Million isk per ship load from veldspar/trit and then you come back and salvage the wrecks for the extra loot and sell that off. Always get at least one melted capacitor console, alloyed trit bar or similar high isk items from wrecks. And you can salvage the wrecks for other T1 parts or just reprocess them...

Seems with the amount of people complaining on how they search for 5 hours+ for sites and find nothing (they could be doing it wrong, or choosing the wrong times/systems to scan) that its easier salvagig the sites you KNOW are going to be there - your own...

But what the heck do I know - I only make 3 mill isk per hour in high sec from my own wrecks and veldspar mining...Cool I'm happy with it....Very Happy

Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Ship Construction Services
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2009.01.05 23:47:00 - [238]
 

Edited by: Kahega Amielden on 05/01/2009 23:49:06

Quote:
But for the time it takes to drop all those probes and scan sites out by going to BM's you could go to systems with High numbers of belts, start taking down the belt rats with drones whilst mining, earn isk from bounties, my mackinaw gets close to a Million isk per ship load from veldspar/trit and then you come back and salvage the wrecks for the extra loot and sell that off. Always get at least one melted capacitor console, alloyed trit bar or similar high isk items from wrecks. And you can salvage the wrecks for other T1 parts or just reprocess them...


Please tell me you're joking. You're going to get precisely **** in salvage from hisec belt rats. Frigate rats are crap. Personally I don't even go out of my way to salvage them in missions. One melted cap console and alloyed trit bar is about 450K/200K respectively. Salvaging a good Sansha mission can net me 20-30+ melted cap consoles plus a bunch of other valuable salvage (Armor plates, etc).

Ninjaing for profit (Targeting high value missions, e.g. sansha/blood/angel) can actually make more money than mining in hisec if you're good at it.

Quote:
Seems with the amount of people complaining on how they search for 5 hours+ for sites and find nothing (they could be doing it wrong, or choosing the wrong times/systems to scan) that its easier salvagig the sites you KNOW are going to be there - your own...


You're thinking of exploration sites. Finding a missionrunner in a busy hub is much easier than finding an exploration site...and even the hard sites don't take 5+ hours (or anywhere close to that) for someone with decent skills.



Quote:
But what the heck do I know - I only make 3 mill isk per hour in high sec from my own wrecks and veldspar mining...Cool I'm happy with it...


You should be making more than that mining (Ditch the mackinaw for roid mining. Get a hulk). Regardless, ninjaing can make considerably more than that.

Not that it really matters too much. I ninja because it's fun, not because I obsess over which activity will earn me slightly more ISK/Hour

Quote:
"Ninja salvaging" really only works in hi-sec. You get blown up if you do it in lo-sec or null-sec.


Wouldn't really be sure of that. A proper salvage craft is fast; you should be able to align and warp well before you can get tackled. If I was going out to 0.0 for salvage I'd be quite careful.

That said, if you're going into low/nullsec..I'd recommend actually going for the remains of player battles. T2 salvage can be one hell of a moneymaker.

Lei Merdeau
Gallente
Posted - 2009.01.06 23:02:00 - [239]
 

Originally by: Joe Starbreaker

merde?


Yes?

Mara Rinn
Posted - 2009.01.07 00:00:00 - [240]
 

Originally by: Bo'Tox
my mackinaw gets close to a Million isk per ship load from veldspar/trit ...


The Mackinaw is an ice mining skiff. For Veldspar, you would be better off in a Covetor or Hulk. If you're not reaping in excess of 10M isk/hr mining veldspar, you're doing it wrong.

Go read Halada's Mining Guide.

Ninja salvaging is not so much about salvaging as it is about harvesting an intangible which is far more valuable to some people in terms of gameplay.


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