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Dotard
Minmatar
Kernel of War
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2008.05.15 12:01:00 - [91]
 


Got together with Tc and the infamous Suddenly Ninjas gang for the first time last night.

Was most fun running with these folks. I couldn't get a mission runner to smack for the life of me even though I was looting the wrecks and toying with him, after he decided to sic his drones on me, by not shooting at him and just popping his drones.

So I invite the SN gang to join me in my efforts of clearing this cluttered space and still no smack talk.

So, mission runners, please set your local comms channel to 'Auto Smack' and provide us some fuel to continue our noble cause of keeping our space free of wrecks cluttering up the place. Thanks!

Oh, and pre-edited to add:

Razz





Dotard
Minmatar
Kernel of War
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2008.06.07 13:41:00 - [92]
 

Edited by: Dotard on 07/06/2008 13:44:06


Originally by: Tchell Dahhn
I was toying with two posts:

"Kahega made me the man I am today..."

or...

"Kahega wrote the book on Ninja Salvaging. I just perfected the craft."

Both are true, but I'll let you guys decide which one works better in this instance. (Three wardecs in three short weeks is proof that this is a very lucrative profession.)

Supported by CCP as well, I might add.

"Players are still completely free to salvage other pilot wrecks at will, no matter if they belong to the same corporation or not and doing so is not considered as an exploit." - GM Ytterbium

o7 Kahega, and thanks.

Cool



Was trying to find an acceptable way to bump this post to see if I could stir up some new interest in this noble profession when I saw the above post.

How did I let that slide by me. Tc perfected it?! HA!

I was doing this afore she was outta diapers! War Dec's are not the measure of success in this line of work. Just, as Tc mentioned, it is only a measure of how lucrative.

Sorry Tc, 'tis I, Dotard who hath perfected this fine art. Razz
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Shakka Zulu
Posted - 2008.06.09 02:42:00 - [93]
 

After reading through the thread... I really, really am considering training up the rest of my scanning skills and giving ninja salvaging a go.

I am a mission runner. I run level 4s in a CNR, in high sec (though not in any even remotely busy spots) and make 30+ million isk an hour. But I would be more than please to spend a day making 5m/h "griefing" all these whiners.

Professor Leech
Transmetropolitan
Posted - 2008.06.09 03:29:00 - [94]
 

Originally by: Dotard

Was trying to find an acceptable way to bump this post to see if I could stir up some new interest in this noble profession when I saw the above post.



Some further advice on the ninja salvaging.

Use the ship scanner to find mission runners ships then set the scanner for 750,000,000 km (5au) and drop your 5 au probes.

If you really want to cover the whole system press F11 use the system map to figure out how to lay out your probes without overlapping.

Joe Starbreaker
M. Corp
Posted - 2008.06.09 06:16:00 - [95]
 

I think this thread should be made a sticky, but maybe move the more "helpful" posts to the beginning and move the carebear tears below them. I re-read the OP and am not sure I really agree with the technique. After experimenting with various methods involving different types of probes, I've come to prefer a single Fathom probe dropped in mid-system. It takes far less time and trouble for nearly the same results as other methods. I wish that were near the top of the thread.

Dotard
Minmatar
Kernel of War
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2008.06.09 12:16:00 - [96]
 


Agree with the Fathoms. Although I drop 3 or 4 so that they do overlap as much as possible.

This increases the strength of the scan in the overlapping areas. IIRC.


Steyr Daghan
Thundercats
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2008.06.09 12:58:00 - [97]
 

Originally by: Kahega Amielden

Ninjasalvaging, as you might already know, is the act of probing down hisec mission runners and salvaging the wrecks they leave behind. As you can imagine, this ****es off a lot of missionrunners and as such has lead to a lot of delicious tears on these very forums.


Right. That last sentense says it clearly. This is a griefing practice and nothing else. It's not about making ISK.

You'll get no "delicious tears" from me I have no problems avoiding or dealing with griefers, and I spend most of my time in 0.0 anyway where this sort of players can't hide under the comforting blanket of CCP protection. However, I would wish that you people stopped pretending it's actually about the ISK.

I guess that does make you feel better than to admit it's just a way to derive pleasure from destroying other peoples fun, cause that does sound a bit pathetic, doesn't it? Never the less, it's the only thing this is about and you should stop being hypocritical about it.

Yeah I know. Now there will be posts from griefers saying they make 47 mil every 5 minutes from "ninja salvaging" but it's BS. Anyone who don't believe me can try this simple test: when you get scanned out on a mission and the griefer starts salvaging you wrecks, blow the wrecks up before he gets to them. If it was about the ISK he'd leave (obviously since there are no iskies to be made) but he won't. In fact he will enjoy it even more since he now got proof that you are annoyed. Try it, and ffs stop pretending this is about ISK rather than boosting feeble egos by ruining other peoples fun.


Tsanse Kinske
WeMeanYouKnowHarm
Posted - 2008.06.09 14:47:00 - [98]
 

Complaints about the justice of ninja salvaging come in two competing varieties:

1. There is no money to be made in it, they could just be running missions themselves--and who doesn't LOVE to do missions?--so obviously they're just doing it to grief meh.

2. ZOMG it's risk free mega isks!

These two contradictory viewpoints seem to be split about 50/50, which is amusing.

Sigul Siento
Posted - 2008.06.09 14:50:00 - [99]
 

It's for ISK and the fun factor. That's the beauty of it. How you split the ISK/fun ratio is up to you.

Steyr Daghan
Thundercats
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2008.06.09 15:14:00 - [100]
 

Edited by: Steyr Daghan on 09/06/2008 15:27:28
Edited by: Steyr Daghan on 09/06/2008 15:21:08
Originally by: Tsanse Kinske
Complaints about the justice of ninja salvaging come in two competing varieties:

1. There is no money to be made in it, they could just be running missions themselves--and who doesn't LOVE to do missions?--so obviously they're just doing it to grief meh.

2. ZOMG it's risk free mega isks!

These two contradictory viewpoints seem to be split about 50/50, which is amusing.


What's your point?

The second argument is uninformed and wrong. How does that in any way invalidate the first argument which is correct?

Edit:
Besides, I wasn't complaining about the practice itself. I was complaining about you guys being hypocritical, not admitting that this is about griefing.

Tsanse Kinske
WeMeanYouKnowHarm
Posted - 2008.06.09 15:31:00 - [101]
 

Edited by: Tsanse Kinske on 09/06/2008 15:38:08
Originally by: Steyr Daghan

What's your point?

The second argument is uninformed and wrong. How does that in any way invalidate the first argument which is correct?




Both arguments are largely uninformed and wrong. The second one almost by definition. The first, more by exaggeration and overgeneralization (plus a good bit of narcissism.)

edit: And if you're uncomfortable with your statements being characterized as complaints, I might suggest working on your presentation, but in the meantime just replace the words "Complaints about the justice..." with "Observations on the injustice...".

Steyr Daghan
Thundercats
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2008.06.09 15:39:00 - [102]
 

Originally by: Tsanse Kinske
Originally by: Steyr Daghan

What's your point?

The second argument is uninformed and wrong. How does that in any way invalidate the first argument which is correct?



Both arguments are largely uninformed and wrong. The second one almost by definition. The first, more by exaggeration and overgeneralization (plus a good bit of narcissism.)


Not quite. You've said nothing that makes it less valid.

Most of you are just smart enough to realize that it wouldn't be very bright to take the bait and admit it's first and foremost about ruining other peoples enjoyment of the game.

Shakka Zulu
Posted - 2008.06.09 16:43:00 - [103]
 

Originally by: Steyr Daghan
Originally by: Kahega Amielden

Ninjasalvaging, as you might already know, is the act of probing down hisec mission runners and salvaging the wrecks they leave behind. As you can imagine, this ****es off a lot of missionrunners and as such has lead to a lot of delicious tears on these very forums.


Right. That last sentense says it clearly. This is a griefing practice and nothing else. It's not about making ISK.

You'll get no "delicious tears" from me I have no problems avoiding or dealing with griefers, and I spend most of my time in 0.0 anyway where this sort of players can't hide under the comforting blanket of CCP protection. However, I would wish that you people stopped pretending it's actually about the ISK.

I guess that does make you feel better than to admit it's just a way to derive pleasure from destroying other peoples fun, cause that does sound a bit pathetic, doesn't it? Never the less, it's the only thing this is about and you should stop being hypocritical about it.

Yeah I know. Now there will be posts from griefers saying they make 47 mil every 5 minutes from "ninja salvaging" but it's BS. Anyone who don't believe me can try this simple test: when you get scanned out on a mission and the griefer starts salvaging you wrecks, blow the wrecks up before he gets to them. If it was about the ISK he'd leave (obviously since there are no iskies to be made) but he won't. In fact he will enjoy it even more since he now got proof that you are annoyed. Try it, and ffs stop pretending this is about ISK rather than boosting feeble egos by ruining other peoples fun.




Ninja-salvagers are good on oh, so many levels.

If you let him ninja-salvage, it drives down rig prices for me. Win!

If you blow up wrecks, I may pay a few isk more for rig prices, but at least he is compelling you to help keep the market from overflowing with all the refined minerals from that mission loot!

And, either way, I get to read about all the fun times on the forums.

And those are just ways ninja-salvaging owns without me even participating!!

Tsanse Kinske
WeMeanYouKnowHarm
Posted - 2008.06.09 18:37:00 - [104]
 

Originally by: Steyr Daghan
Originally by: Tsanse Kinske
Originally by: Steyr Daghan

What's your point?

The second argument is uninformed and wrong. How does that in any way invalidate the first argument which is correct?



Both arguments are largely uninformed and wrong. The second one almost by definition. The first, more by exaggeration and overgeneralization (plus a good bit of narcissism.)


Not quite. You've said nothing that makes it less valid.


It's difficult to prove a prejudice based mainly on someone's personal animosities and projections on the inner nature of others wrong. For instance if you were to say, "Virtually all mission runners are nothing more than isk-obsessed tools who don't understand what a multi-player game is about", it would be even more foolish, and just as pointless to argue with you.

All I can do is point out some inconsistencies and overstatements, and let readers make up their own minds. I'm quite confident that people who are relatively dispassionate about it are perfectly capable of doing so more rationally and more even-handedly than you.

Now I will expect you to come back and claim that there's nothing personal involved in it, that you couldn't care less about ninja-salvagers, etc. IF SO, all I have to say is that you're doing a terrible job of getting that across.

GoldFox88
Caldari
Sovereign UL
Posted - 2008.06.09 19:05:00 - [105]
 

heh, this sound like a law here in NC.

When someone breaks into your house (mission) and steals stuff (salvage), you're not allowed to shoot at them (SKS, or your ship of choice) UNLESS they threaten you with another firearm (target you, then fire).


....conclusion..... our state plays too much EVE.

jinkoti boslin2
TORCLAN
Posted - 2008.06.16 23:40:00 - [106]
 

Edited by: jinkoti boslin2 on 16/06/2008 23:43:43
oh my god kids!

I found this thread and thought.. ok, this may be a way to make a load of salvage to build rigs with,, It would save me doing missions and then comin' back with a salvage ship.. Brilliant!

I fully plan on doing this in the near future, and offering to join fleet and tractor all the wrecks into one easy place for the mission runner to loot.

As for you guys crying about this being 'griefing' Very Happy C'mon... that would be if i stole your loot for a fight.. suicide ganked ya etc..

yours truly 'comin for your salvage soon' Jinks x

P.s. the 'stop pretending that this is about making isk' comment made me p*ss!! Everything's about making isk.. isn't it?

Karan Kaldarian
Caldari
State War Academy
Posted - 2008.06.17 02:31:00 - [107]
 

Originally by: Billy Sastard


.....I do belive that when salvaging was introduced into the game CCP had this very sort of gameplay in mind. Salvage was not added as somethign to give mission runners more isk, it was intended to be another career path for people to take, and people 'ninja salvaging' are just doing things as CCP intended.


I think you are right….
but I suspect that all we were fooled in this brilliant "solution".
Personally I would have preferred to find 0.0 space more interesting (risks vs. income/fun) and use my efforts in escaping pirates there.

I think that CCP had to solve a growing broblem time ago: not everybody loves pvp and low sec is loosing easy preys every year .
So allowing ninja salvaging they mixed some "pvp activities" in Concord space. Of course something can go wrong when ninja salvagers and mission runners are face to face. It MUST go wrong (Concord is sleeping, carebears attack first cause they are not aware of risks or strategies, pirates change ship and his name in Houdini , etc etc). This is a strategy to force people, that do not want to get involved in pvp in that moment, in some "social activities".

Of course ninja salv. isn´t done for Isk, and it´ll sure evolve even if all the carebears would discover that salvaging is not always profitable (you loose precius time in salvaging and then reselling, instead of getting more bounties and Lp) and that they have not to use any drone, be aligned, stay minimum time in deadspace, blah blah blah.

My question to CCP is : everybody sure that this is all ok?? I’m not talkink of game mechanics (ninja salvaging is mechanically correct)………but I’m just trying to imagine what would be the next "solution" for those "social activites". Why ?? Because this was not a great solution and it is not really solving that problem.
I’m so curious…..

Xanteria Lor
Posted - 2008.06.17 11:47:00 - [108]
 



Entering next stage before the original mission runner in a Serpentis mission - aggroing the whole stage, warping out before Frigs get too close.

Salvaging and looting the remaints can be ohhh so rewarding.


Jethro Amar
Posted - 2008.06.17 12:12:00 - [109]
 

Can you really do nothing about the thief. I've never been in this situation before, but i guess one could always get a non-rigged Raven, fit it with t1 non named stuff and smartbombs, target the guy, get close, pop his ship, pop his pod and then laugh at concord since this t1 raven is paid back by insurance.

Also: caldari missions are mostly Guristas, their salvage is poor - no armor plates, no trit bars :/

Dotard
Minmatar
Kernel of War
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2008.06.17 12:12:00 - [110]
 

Originally by: Steyr Daghan

You'll get no "delicious tears" from me...


The tears in your post were tasty. Maybe not delicious, but still yummy.

Originally by: Steyr Daghan
...try this simple test: when you get scanned out on a mission and the griefer starts salvaging you wrecks, blow the wrecks up before he gets to them. If it was about the ISK he'd leave (obviously since there are no iskies to be made) but he won't. In fact he will enjoy it even more since he now got proof that you are annoyed....


True, true. I do quite enjoy it when the runners get to popping the wrecks. They would rather lose the lootz, which sometimes is worth a whole lot more than the salvages, than let me just salvage it. So when this happens I will approach every single wreck just to be sure they pop 'em all.


Originally by: Steyr Daghan
Try it, and ffs stop pretending this is about ISK rather than boosting feeble egos by ruining other peoples fun.



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Captian Lanfear
Posted - 2008.06.17 19:39:00 - [111]
 

Very funny stuff. I say steal all you want since you have the safety of your parents basement while using their internet connection. A lot of folks grow a pair when they get behind a computer where no one can get to them. I had one person actually loot my stuff one time and thought it was very funny. I actually felt like I was helping the needy, so I think it is a good thing. I got plenty of ISK from doing missions, so why not share?

Guillame Herschel
Gallente
NME1
Posted - 2008.06.17 23:00:00 - [112]
 

Edited by: Guillame Herschel on 17/06/2008 23:03:06
I've used a Rupture as a probe/salvage ship all in one. Works a treat.

High: Recon or Scan Launcher, Tractor Beam, 4 Salvagers
Mids: AB, Kinetic Amp, Large Shield Extender
Lows: 3x Overdrives, DCU, Warp Core Stabilizer
Rigs: 3x Gravity Capacitor

Why a tractor beam? So I can drag my own jetcan behind me for putting the metal scraps in (it's been a while since I've done this - do salavgers still come up with metal scraps?).

I got about 400 bookmarks in Motsu. :)

Oh, and I did it for a very good gameplay/roleplay reason: to build rigs, of course.

Joe Starbreaker
M. Corp
Posted - 2008.06.18 19:13:00 - [113]
 

Originally by: Steyr Daghan
You'll get no "delicious tears" from me

you sure about that?

Originally by: Steyr Daghan
I guess that does make you feel better than to admit it's just a way to derive pleasure from destroying other peoples fun

Salvaging after your missions is fun?

Originally by: Guillame Herschel
Why a tractor beam? So I can drag my own jetcan behind me for putting the metal scraps in (it's been a while since I've done this - do salavgers still come up with metal scraps?).

Metal scraps come from non-faction wrecks, like mercenaries, and EoM. Your regular pirates just drop salvage parts. I typically just skip over merc/EoM missions, which are very valuable in terms of loot but much less valuable to salvage. In fact, my salvaging Executioner usually gets the message "your cargohold is too small for the potential salvage parts" when I try to salvage one of those -- a clear indicator that metal scraps are coming.

However your jetcan/tractorbeam trick is quite nice for when you're looting as well as salvaging!

Calacheng
Caldari
Posted - 2008.06.24 01:25:00 - [114]
 

Edited by: Calacheng on 24/06/2008 01:27:49
Edited by: Calacheng on 24/06/2008 01:25:47
Originally by: Oldin Kinrod
Originally by: Polly Prissypantz
blah blah blah... and stealing other peoples salvage ... blah blah blah


Prove to me that they are your wrecks. Go on...




I can prove it by this GM post about wrecks

Salvaging other peoples wrecks is stealing and salvagethieves are the lowlife scums of EVE.


Fuhshizzle
Posted - 2008.06.24 02:25:00 - [115]
 

Originally by: Calacheng
Edited by: Calacheng on 24/06/2008 01:27:49
Edited by: Calacheng on 24/06/2008 01:25:47
Originally by: Oldin Kinrod
Originally by: Polly Prissypantz
blah blah blah... and stealing other peoples salvage ... blah blah blah


Prove to me that they are your wrecks. Go on...




I can prove it by this GM post about wrecks

Salvaging other peoples wrecks is stealing and salvagethieves are the lowlife scums of EVE.




Nice try....

Dotard
Minmatar
Kernel of War
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2008.06.24 11:45:00 - [116]
 

Originally by: Calacheng

Salvaging other peoples wrecks is stealing and salvage thieves are the lowlife scums of EVE.

[/quote



Took me a long time to carve that niche'Razz







Tchell Dahhn
Suddenly Ninjas
Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
Posted - 2008.06.24 15:49:00 - [117]
 

Originally by: Calacheng
Salvaging other peoples wrecks is stealing and salvage thieves are the lowlife scums of EVE.


Thank you! My tank is overflowing from your statement! As I always say, "Carebear Tears fuel my ship!"

Originally by: Dotard
Took me a long time to carve that niche Razz


...and Suddenly Ninjas is welcoming you into the Corp with open arms because of your skills. One of EvE's Best Ninja Salvagers is joining EvE's Biggest and Best Ninja Salvaging Corporation...

How will the Carebears survive?

Twisted Evil

Princess Gally
Posted - 2008.06.24 16:02:00 - [118]
 

Ninja salvagers are as carebears as missioners. You won't fool anyone...

Tchell Dahhn
Suddenly Ninjas
Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
Posted - 2008.06.24 16:07:00 - [119]
 

Originally by: Princess Gally
Ninja salvagers are as carebears as missioners. You won't fool anyone...


...says the Alt.

Rolling Eyes

At least I have the balls to post with my Main, and with my Corp name showing. Ten Wardecs in two months, and we're still going strong.

Twisted Evil

Dotard
Minmatar
Kernel of War
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2008.06.26 12:26:00 - [120]
 

Originally by: Princess Gally
Ninja salvagers are as carebears as missioners. You won't fool anyone...


It has been demonstrated lately that Suddenly Ninjas are more like Badgers than Carebears.

They mind their own buisness doing their own thing. But go poke them with a stick and see what happens.

I just joined SN last night. First thing I did was go poke their biggest Badger with a stick and guess what happened? That fat little fur-ball had teeth!

2008.06.26 01:24:00

Victim: Dotard
Corp: Suddenly Ninjas
Alliance: NONE
Faction: NONE
Destroyed: Vagabond
System: Dodixie
Security: 0.9
Damage Taken: 11845

Involved parties:

Name: Satan possessed Suddenly Ninjas corp-mate (laid the final blow)
Security: 5.0
Corp: Suddenly Ninjas
Alliance: NONE
Faction: NONE
Ship: Ain't tellin'. Cause it wasn't smart to poke this toothy critter with a stick.
Weapon: Scourge Heavy Missile
Damage Done: 11845

Destroyed items:

Gyrostabilizer II
10MN MicroWarpdrive II
Barrage M, Qty: 78
Warrior II, Qty: 4 (Drone Bay)
Large Shield Extender II, Qty: 2
Pride II
Polycarbon Engine Housing I, Qty: 2

Dropped items:

Barrage M, Qty: 4727 (Cargo)
Warp Disruptor II
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, Qty: 5
Tracking Enhancer II
Inertia Stabilizers II
A Load in my Shorts II
Overdrive Injector System II, Qty: 2
Barrage M, Qty: 314
Tears and a Whine II
Warrior II (Drone Bay)
Prototype Cloaking Device I

If you are in EvE for the fun factor, you really gotta give Suddenly Ninjas a try.



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