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Jitabug
Caldari
Viva POS Pinata
Posted - 2008.03.30 10:08:00 - [31]
 

Is it just me or does anyone else now feel inspired to actively track certain posters down and salvage their wrecks?

Beliandra
Posted - 2008.03.30 11:31:00 - [32]
 

Am I right in my understanding that you can't find wrecks using probes? i.e., you have to find missions in progress by scanning out the mission runner, you can't find old missions by scanning out the wrecks?

Tsanse Kinske
WeMeanYouKnowHarm
Posted - 2008.03.30 20:52:00 - [33]
 

Originally by: Beliandra
Am I right in my understanding that you can't find wrecks using probes? i.e., you have to find missions in progress by scanning out the mission runner, you can't find old missions by scanning out the wrecks?


Right, probes can't detect them. However they do show up on the directional scanner, and I think the cleverer salvagers will use that to help select where and how to probe scan, and which probe hits look the most lucrative.

Tchell Dahhn
Suddenly Ninjas
Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
Posted - 2008.03.31 19:43:00 - [34]
 

Originally by: Polly Prissypantz
Some people just aspire to be at the bottom of the barrel since it's so easy to achieve.


...like being in an NPC Corp, you mean.

Wink

Frodon
Die Trying
Circle-Of-Two
Posted - 2008.04.01 11:59:00 - [35]
 

How to avoid ninjasalvage?

Do your mission in low-sec Twisted Evil

And u can blow the ninjasalvager if u want :)

THx for the guide, all those angel wreck in space ugh

lollerwaffle
Sileo In Pacis
THE SPACE P0LICE
Posted - 2008.04.01 12:00:00 - [36]
 

Edited by: lollerwaffle on 01/04/2008 12:02:46
meh stop whining, ive been running mission 4's recently in motsu and been scanned out loads. Simple, just keep shooting up the wrecks the little herons are headed for (wait till they just about reach it), and voila, they lose patience and warp off, he's not gonna stick around if there's no profit for him to be made. Oh yeah, do occasionally leave a can of nice stuff for the people who take the time to scan out your wrecks, so that you can pop out of cloak in a SB and pop em. There are ways to counter these so called 'griefers', heck i'd join in once i get my astrometrics up, just to hear more whines.

edit: new way to annoy ninja salvagers, train up the same skills get good at em, and scan the salvagers out. Fly a faster ship and ninja salvage the ninja salvagers. That way you **** both people off Laughing

Chruker
Posted - 2008.04.03 06:01:00 - [37]
 

Message to mission runners annoyed by the wreck stealing:
Destroy the wrecks when you see them invading your mission.

Sigul Siento
Posted - 2008.04.03 08:19:00 - [38]
 

Oh no, the Message blew the whistle on this thoroughly original and devastatingly effective anti-salvage competetion method Razz

No but seriously, if you do this, I get less salvage, and you get less salvage. I move to another site to salvage, you move to your next mission. And maybe I'll pop into that mission as well. It's a very poor solution, there are better ones where you actually get the salvage you wanted. It's almost like one could suspect that those advocating the blowing up of wrecks are out to hurt missioners ;)

There are of course other flaws with the blow up wrecks-method which means it isn't really a problem for salvagers, but I don't feel inclined to point them out.

Daath Achura
Caldari
FREE GATES ACADEMY
Posted - 2008.04.09 13:26:00 - [39]
 

Let me add that when you are in a less populated, but still mission runners' system (100-150 players during peak time, 30-60 the other time), then it's much harder to use the scan probe method, and if you can cover the system with probes, I think you're better off with the recon probe method.

Oh, and you can use the Gravity Capacitor Upgrade I rig (3 mil in Amarr) to lessen your scan time by 10%! You can fit two of those on a Heron.

Pteranodon
Caldari
Rekall Incorporated
Posted - 2008.04.16 14:11:00 - [40]
 

If I'm asked the question can I salvage your wrecks I say yes & dictate the terms i.e. don't touch the battleships. If a player just takes the wrecks & does not ask.....a new wreck arrives in the overview....followed by a pod.

Iced Earth
Caldari
Goat Riders
Posted - 2008.04.16 14:37:00 - [41]
 

Originally by: Pteranodon
If I'm asked the question can I salvage your wrecks I say yes & dictate the terms i.e. don't touch the battleships. If a player just takes the wrecks & does not ask.....a new wreck arrives in the overview....followed by a pod.


Yeah .. your pod next to your wreck.
You do know ninja salvaging is in high sec, yes ?

Sigul Siento
Posted - 2008.04.16 21:52:00 - [42]
 

Originally by: Pteranodon
If I'm asked the question can I salvage your wrecks I say yes & dictate the terms i.e. don't touch the battleships. If a player just takes the wrecks & does not ask.....a new wreck arrives in the overview....followed by a pod.


That's not very nice of you... I do so hate it when people destroy my ship just for salvaging Sad

Joe Starbreaker
M. Corp
Posted - 2008.04.16 22:10:00 - [43]
 

Edited by: Joe Starbreaker on 16/04/2008 22:10:01
I had to laugh in Dodixie yesterday. I warped into some dude's mission. What do I see? Two other guys (not the wreck owner) in two different corps, in battleships, and two battleship wrecks, also not belonging to the mission runner. Four strangers, and me, in some sixth party's mission. I salvaged the two battleships, a Megathron and I think a Raven, and got more from them than from the crappy Serpentis wrecks in the mission.

Next time I'll go to a slightly less popular hub though.

Kyra Felann
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2008.04.17 01:49:00 - [44]
 

Originally by: Polly Prissypantz
All the time and effort you clueless noobs put into stealing other peoples salvage could easily be put into something more useful... Like I don't know... Running your own missions and you'd actually make more ISK for your time to boot. But don't let my logical arguments get in the way of you being a jackass.


Maybe if missions weren't so boring that they make me want to gouge out my eyeballs with a rusty spoon I'd do more missions.

Dotard
Minmatar
Kernel of War
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2008.04.17 11:47:00 - [45]
 


It is even funnier when you are 'danger salvaging' (salvaging while the mission is active) and having a great ol' time sucking up some smack-talk laughing up a storm in local about them not being able to to a darned thing about it.

Then getting scrammed, webbed and popped by the mission rats! Shocked

Happened to me and some great LOLz were had by all. Sad

Even MORE funny was toward the end of my death-throws I offered the mission runners all their salvage back plus a 10mil "ransom" if they would kill the damn frigates. Ofc they didn't and rousing entertainment was had by all in local.

Top that for sheer entertainment value!


Joop
Privateers
Privateer Alliance
Posted - 2008.04.17 13:54:00 - [46]
 

Warping into Recon 3 in a frig ftl

Sad

Joe Starbreaker
M. Corp
Posted - 2008.04.17 23:04:00 - [47]
 

Originally by: Joop
Warping into Recon 3 in a frig ftl

Sad

Done that many a time!

Havok Pierce
Gallente
Aperture Harmonics
K162
Posted - 2008.04.18 01:46:00 - [48]
 

Edited by: Havok Pierce on 18/04/2008 01:46:42
So, what kind is a missionrunner that just co-opts the salvager?

I've also considering scanning for ninja-salvagers and suiciding them (and having an alt scoop up the delicious salvage).

Joe Starbreaker
M. Corp
Posted - 2008.04.18 09:05:00 - [49]
 

Originally by: Havok Pierce
Edited by: Havok Pierce on 18/04/2008 01:46:42
So, what kind is a missionrunner that just co-opts the salvager?

I've also considering scanning for ninja-salvagers and suiciding them (and having an alt scoop up the delicious salvage).

Drop a recon probe in Dodixie and I assure you you'll get more than a few hits on Imicus, Herons, and Probes.

Svedge II
Posted - 2008.04.18 19:22:00 - [50]
 

Edited by: Svedge II on 18/04/2008 19:22:05
Hail the Carebear King Havok Pierce!! Laughing

Sabretooth Sheep
Posted - 2008.04.19 12:07:00 - [51]
 

I probe out the mission runner
go in cloaked
bookmark
and return later

If still in sys ill ask
If not in sys then ill do the salvage

the loot stays until just before it despawns

Seems a fairer way
Other than that ill use my scavanger ship and steal of those pesky pies running gate camps haha


Dotard
Minmatar
Kernel of War
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2008.04.19 12:54:00 - [52]
 

Originally by: Sabretooth Sheep

the loot stays until just before it despawns




LOL. It's there just before it's not! Very Happy


Kerfira
Kerfira Corp
Posted - 2008.04.19 16:13:00 - [53]
 

Originally by: Polly Prissypantz
All the time and effort you clueless noobs put into stealing other peoples salvage could easily be put into something more useful... Like I don't know... Running your own missions and you'd actually make more ISK for your time to boot. But don't let my logical arguments get in the way of you being a jackass.

They're not stealing anything. By the rules of the game, salvage doesn't belong to anyone, but is free for everyone to take.

If it had belonged to the mission runner, he would have been given kill-rights. He doesn't get that, so they don't belong to him.

Have a nice day Laughing

Dotard
Minmatar
Kernel of War
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2008.04.19 23:34:00 - [54]
 

Originally by: Polly Prissypantz
... don't let my logical arguments get in the way of you being a jackass.


No worries there sir! Cool


Ghoul Ahn'Khor
Perkone
Posted - 2008.04.19 23:48:00 - [55]
 

Originally by: Dotard
Originally by: Sabretooth Sheep

the loot stays until just before it despawns




LOL. It's there just before it's not! Very Happy




rofl, thats too funny

Veron Daerth
Amarr
Blood Meridian
Posted - 2008.04.21 06:12:00 - [56]
 

Wow, this is a very nice guide. I am a mission running carebear and have never really had an issue with ninja-salvagers, at least not what your doing, we all have to make a living and all that. The most hilarious thing I think I have ever seen was a ninja-salvager (hereafter named Joe) that accidentally grabbed the prisoner out of the can that spawned on top of the wreck of the last BS in my L4. Now "Joe" had been asked to please not salvage our wrecks, as we had a salvage-ship on her way to meet us (she got home from work late)but persisted. Then he made a slight boo-boo, and snagged loot from our can, and that got us killrights, so we killed him (a Catalyst cant stand up to a CNR, Harbinger, Myrm and Vexor, also, yes it was overkill, both on "Joe" and the mish, but its more fun to mission with friends than all alone) Now I will give "Joe" credit, he did try to escape, but really...it was kind of silly. What was really hilarious was when the CEO of his corp convo'd us and explaned that "Joe" was Portugese and didn't understand us and that we needed to pay for his ship and the estimated cost of his cargo and modules or get a wardec. Our CEO kind of laughed and said, "Too bad mate, you win some, you lose some, now **** off." We never got the wardec, and havent heard anything more, but someone mentioned that ppl can get frakking insane in this game, and they were spot on, I mean, seriously, a wardec threat cause "Joe" wasnt paying attention and got a cheap dessie and and easily replaceable modules blown apart? Seriously, ppl need to relax a bit more, enjoy the game. Let the ninja's salvage away, there is always more where it came from. And kep in mind that the salvagers dont have it all their way, they actually have to ocassionally pay attention to what they r doing too, or risk making a silly mistake that the mission-runner can use against them.

P.S. This isnt a flame or anything, I just find the whole everyone pointing fingers at each other and crying "monster" to be slightly funny.

Hanneshannes
Posted - 2008.04.21 06:41:00 - [57]
 

Originally by: Oldin Kinrod
Originally by: Polly Prissypantz
blah blah blah... and stealing other peoples salvage ... blah blah blah


Prove to me that they are your wrecks. Go on...


Every wreck has the name of whoever produced it in the info as well as alliance/corp tags on the overview.

Oldin Kinrod
Posted - 2008.04.21 07:55:00 - [58]
 

Originally by: Hanneshannes
Every wreck has the name of whoever produced it in the info as well as alliance/corp tags on the overview.


Wrong. If I blow up your ship, it doesn't have my face on it. Therefore every wreck does not have the name of who produced it - nullifying any evidence of ownership. You see, I actually referenced the documentation written by CCP to prove my point that no-one owns a wreck.

Lilan Kahn
Amarr
The Littlest Hobos
En Garde
Posted - 2008.04.21 10:43:00 - [59]
 

ninja salvageing is win.

you can ransom peopels missions that is fun done that a few times.

you get free t2 drones.

last i cleaned motsu i got 69 hammerheads t2. 30 wasps and some other crap

Joe Starbreaker
M. Corp
Posted - 2008.04.21 15:17:00 - [60]
 

Originally by: Veron Daerth
The most hilarious thing I think I have ever seen was a ninja-salvager (hereafter named Joe) that accidentally grabbed the prisoner out of the can that spawned on top of the wreck of the last BS in my L4.

First of all, this was not me.
I would never use a destroyer (worst salvaging ships in the game) and if I stole the mission item it would neither be accidental nor would I hang around long enough for you to shoot me.


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