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IDF187
Posted - 2008.03.23 09:27:00 - [1]
 

It just a simple question, why? Iam no carebear, I like a good fight, but what I also like is for my allianse carebears to build me a nice ship for much less then market, I love carebears they supply my blood thirsty ars. Has any1 thought of it that way, and perhaps stop hating on them?YARRRR!!

Ralagina
Caldari
ReviveX Fleet
White Noise.
Posted - 2008.03.23 09:29:00 - [2]
 

Who hates them?

LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
Posted - 2008.03.23 09:30:00 - [3]
 

Originally by: IDF187
It just a simple question, why? Iam no carebear, I like a good fight, but what I also like is for my allianse carebears to build me a nice ship for much less then market, I love carebears they supply my blood thirsty ars. Has any1 thought of it that way, and perhaps stop hating on them?YARRRR!!


Its because people dont understand them. Think of the carebears Crying or Very sad

Willow Whisp
Sadist Faction
Posted - 2008.03.23 09:31:00 - [4]
 

Industrialists > Carebears.

Your chosen profession has nothing to do with your Carebear Status. You could be a Pirate, and still be a Carebear.

IDF187
Posted - 2008.03.23 09:31:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Ralara
Who hates them?

Cant name names, but I do hear alot of hate towards themYARRRR!!

IDF187
Posted - 2008.03.23 09:32:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Willow Whisp
Industrialists > Carebears.

Your chosen profession has nothing to do with your Carebear Status. You could be a Pirate, and still be a Carebear.

Now that confused me, how?

Ralagina
Caldari
ReviveX Fleet
White Noise.
Posted - 2008.03.23 09:32:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: IDF187
Originally by: Ralara
Who hates them?

Cant name names, but I do hear alot of hate towards themYARRRR!!


Ask them yourself then Razz

Rakshasa Taisab
Caldari
Sane Industries Inc.
Posted - 2008.03.23 09:44:00 - [8]
 

Originally by: IDF187
Now that confused me, how?

Carebear-ness is a state of mind, not a chosen profession.

A pirate that is risk averse (suicide ganker, etc) is a carebear, while an industrialist mining and building ships in the depths of 0.0 isn't. It is the unwillingness to take risks to earn isk is what defines the carebear-ish qualities of a player.

Frug
Omega Wing
Snatch Victory
Posted - 2008.03.23 09:46:00 - [9]
 

If people hate them, it's because they whine and don't understand that whining only makes people want to suicide/can flip them more.

cal nereus
The Graduates
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2008.03.23 09:49:00 - [10]
 

What is a carebear anyways?

It certainly is not an Industrialist. There are many industrialists who take risks, lose ships, engage in PvP, etc. That profession does not a carebear make.

It certainly is not a Miner. Lots of players mine or have mined. Some even do nothing but mine, yet even those players, as long as they take risks, fight back, etc... can they really be considered carebears?

It certainly is not a Collector. I love collecting ships. Earning isk, buying ships, kitting 'em out and stairing at 'em in my hangar. But no matter how many I collect, I know one day I'll use each and every one of them, and I'll probably lose most of 'em too. That doesn't sound like a carebear.

A carebear is not a label connected to what one produces, sells or buys. Probably, what makes a carebear a carebear, is simply the unwillingness to take small risks or lose internet spaceships.

Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2008.03.23 09:54:00 - [11]
 

1. A player who detests Player versus Player (PvP) gaming and whines about how it ruins their gaming enjoyment.

2. A player who is killed or has a loss through theft and then complains about player harassment.

3. A player who focuses their gameplay strictly on crafting or other non-competitve activity.

4. A player who is afraid of getting ganked by other gaming players.

5. Players more concerned with "coloring" their houses, clothing, names, etc... than with playing against other people in a competitve gaming environment.

6. A player who ruined the PvP MMORPG industry by complaining so much that PvP MMORPG development is rare.


Overwhelmed
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
Posted - 2008.03.23 09:57:00 - [12]
 

Edited by: Overwhelmed on 23/03/2008 09:57:51
A carebear generally refers to the state of mind of people who inject such a vehement sense of morality into a world consisting solely of virtual property that they don't understand the irony of throwing a hissy-fit once they lose that property in PvP. They insist that not blowing up other people's ships or scamming them in a game designed for that sort of competition is a sign of a true maturity.

They are generally identified by calling you names at first if you destroy their ship, then insisting that because you can not confide by their strictly awesome and humanitarian view of the virtual world, you must be, in real life, a sociopath, basement virgin, _insert_generic_carebear_insult_ here.

You can spend your entire game inside of high sec and laugh when you get suicide ganked and you are still not a carebear.

On the flip side, sometimes you don't even know if a fellow PvPer is a carebear until he loses, then all of a sudden he's cursing his attackers entire family.

LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
Posted - 2008.03.23 09:58:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny

3. A player who focuses their gameplay strictly on crafting or other non-competitve activity.


You of course realise that you have to sell the stuff you craft in some shape, way or form, right?

That extremely competitive. More competitive than PvP by a long way.

Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2008.03.23 10:01:00 - [14]
 

I got a trade alt... getting good at market griefing Very Happy

LaVista Vista
Conservative Shenanigans Party
Posted - 2008.03.23 10:02:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny
I got a trade alt... getting good at market griefing Very Happy

So your selling people what they think is a thorax, but reallys is a huge dildo? Twisted Evil

Darwin Duck
Evil Monkey Asylum
Wile E Coyote's
Posted - 2008.03.23 10:14:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Frug
If people hate them, it's because they whine and don't understand that whining only makes people want to suicide/can flip them more.


Everybody whine when a new change affects their gameplay. You have people using the learn to adapt phrase over and over again, until a change affect them, then they start to whine, no more learn to adapt from them. It's funny!

cal nereus
The Graduates
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2008.03.23 10:19:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Darwin Duck
Originally by: Frug
If people hate them, it's because they whine and don't understand that whining only makes people want to suicide/can flip them more.


Everybody whine when a new change affects their gameplay. You have people using the learn to adapt phrase over and over again, until a change affect them, then they start to whine, no more learn to adapt from them. It's funny!

I don't whine. Sad

Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2008.03.23 10:25:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: LaVista Vista
Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny
I got a trade alt... getting good at market griefing Very Happy

So your selling people what they think is a thorax, but reallys is a huge dildo? Twisted Evil


We call it the "glory hole" Laughing

Wet Ferret
Posted - 2008.03.23 10:35:00 - [19]
 

Only in EVE can such an innocent term be given such derogatory meaning.

Carebears are players who prefer not to "hurt" other players (in PvP combat, generally) and tend do other things instead. Missioning, mining, exploration, etc.

I would say people don't hate carebears, they just foolishly apply the term to people who don't deserve it.

Wild Rho
Amarr
Silent Core
Posted - 2008.03.23 10:36:00 - [20]
 

It's basically anyone who expects the game to be changed to suit themselves and their play style ignoring the ramifications it would have on the game or other play styles. They'll also typically make personal attacks or insults against people who disagree with or counter their arguments.

What you do ingame profession wise has nothing to do with it.

Darwin Duck
Evil Monkey Asylum
Wile E Coyote's
Posted - 2008.03.23 10:38:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Wild Rho
It's basically anyone who expects the game to be changed to suit themselves and their play style ignoring the ramifications it would have on the game or other play styles. They'll also typically make personal attacks or insults against people who disagree with or counter their arguments.

What you do ingame profession wise has nothing to do with it.


Err no, look at the post above your post, thats the correct description of a carebear.

Simon Wiesenthal
Posted - 2008.03.23 11:25:00 - [22]
 

Edited by: Simon Wiesenthal on 23/03/2008 11:27:04
Why do they pick on carebears? Easy...because they can. What you have to remember about games like Eve, is that they attract all the crybabys who suck at online FPS. And the reason they suck? Online FPSs are a level playing field where all that matters is your skill and reaction time. So after getting their asses kicked for a while (and realising that shouting HAX! doesn't actually work) they find eve, where, to much delight, they discover "ZOMG I CAN SHOOT SUM1 WHO WONT SHOOT BACK!!!!one11!!". It's great for them because it helps them feel better about how frustrated and angry they are at being so insignificant and powerless in the real world.

Of course, there are targets that can shoot back, but the crunch with eve is....skill plays very little part in the combat aspect. Sure, we increase skills, but that's just a case of clicking "train skill" and waiting x amount of time. REAL skill is almost non-existant. Combat boils down to, pressing F1-F8, wait for outcome and hope you don't get disconnected. Which is why you never see fair fights in eve, a griefer/bully will never intentionally put themselves in a situation where there is a possibilty they could lose their "preshush battulship". Their egos simply won't allow it, because killboards and bragging rights is all they have.

But, that said, it isn't these peoples fault. That's the way Eve is designed by CCP and it's actually quite a clever marketting ploy. When you make an online game you always leave yourself open to competition, but CCP have already countered this. Make a game that encourages bullying and griefing, unfair combat, back stabbing etc...a game where new players are hounded and griefed until they quit...a game where new players are discouraged from advancing and what do you get? A game with a reputation for being so hardcore that it keeps the playerbase a low managable figure. But how does that help stave off competition? Easy; because the playerbase is way lower than other games, it makes it look like EVE just isn't worth competing with....and that, is marketing genius. Sure, they could make more money if they had more players but the simple fact is, CCP don't want the playerbase that WoW has; for two simple reasons

1 - they simply couldn't handle it

2 - the hardcore would get very upset that suddenly they were very small fish in a very large pond (and CCP will NEVER allow the hardcore to be affected)

So there you have it, EvE in a nutshell, a griefers paradise...but would I change it? not in a million years. I actually like eve the way it is, my diatribe is merely a way of offering an explanation as to the behaviour of many players. I've met some really nice players in my short time in eve, but for the most part, I find many of the players insufferable morons (mostly teenagers too, who would have thought eh?). My best advice is, if eve is too much, you're better off playing something else. CCP won't lose any sleep over a cancelled account, they never do, because for every carebear that leaves, there's 10 griefers waiting to sign up...just as soon as they've cancelled their onlne FPS account in a fit of pique of course....Laughing

/me awaits the angry flames, with bad spelling from typing through the tears...Twisted Evil

in b4 gb2/wow, can I have your stuff and post with your main


Ki An
Gallente
The Really Awesome Players
Posted - 2008.03.23 11:47:00 - [23]
 

Seems there are many definitions of a carebear. I use it in chat with corpies as describing all money making activities that does not involve direct pvp. However, to me a carebear is really something else entirelly. It's been described above.

A carebear is someone who can't stand the fact that they might actually lose. They will take any means necessary to avoid losing, and if they still lose, they will throw a hissy fit and use any form of abuse to "get back" at their assailant. They are people that does not understand, and would never admit, that Eve is a PvP centered game and that non-consentual PvP is how it is and how it should be. They are people who thinks their own morality is the benchmark for everyone else, and that if someone strays from the "one true path", it is becuase there is something wrong with the in real life. Basically, they take the game way too seriously.

As for why people hate them, well, if you subscribe to my description of a carebear its easy enough to understand the ire, isn't it?

Cipher7
Posted - 2008.03.23 11:49:00 - [24]
 


Its just e-peen stroking, makes ppl feel like big man

Miners and builders are awesome, its thanks to you guys that we have plentiful gear to buy.

Keep doing your thing.

PS - My only suggestion is, why dont more of you make "stores", like instead of selling everything at hubs, find a place that's out of the way and underserved, and stock EVERYTHING, ppl will buy ships/mods/ammo/etc everything from you if they can buy it all in 1 place. So if you're a professional manufacturer, do that and you will get your stuff sold.

Amarria Black
Clan Anthraxx
Posted - 2008.03.23 11:55:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Cipher7

Its just e-peen stroking, makes ppl feel like big man

Miners and builders are awesome, its thanks to you guys that we have plentiful gear to buy.

Keep doing your thing.

PS - My only suggestion is, why dont more of you make "stores", like instead of selling everything at hubs, find a place that's out of the way and underserved, and stock EVERYTHING, ppl will buy ships/mods/ammo/etc everything from you if they can buy it all in 1 place. So if you're a professional manufacturer, do that and you will get your stuff sold.


Several reasons.

1) BPOs of everything tend toward the expensive.
2) Inventing everything is impractical.
3) Assuming you do stock your hand-picked station, you really have no way of informing the general public that said station stocks everything.
4) People are lazy. Autopilot >>> Amarr is easier than, "Does this station have this? What about that? What about this other thing?"


Lougra
Gallente
Posted - 2008.03.23 12:08:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: IDF187
It just a simple question, why? Iam no carebear, I like a good fight, but what I also like is for my allianse carebears to build me a nice ship for much less then market, I love carebears they supply my blood thirsty ars. Has any1 thought of it that way, and perhaps stop hating on them?YARRRR!!


The problem is starting from you.

Very obviously, you adopted the surename "carebear". That means, you accepted something that mostly started to separate pvpers from the rest.
As it sounds to me, every time that this surename used, is to express a kind of disgust for miners, and it involves a kind of racism.

You are free to be, anything you want to be. The most worst thing, is to be what others want YOU to be.

As it seems, they have achieved it up to a point.


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Decard Sune
Posted - 2008.03.23 12:12:00 - [27]
 

Edited by: Decard Sune on 23/03/2008 12:12:37
Carebear is a derogatory term used by those who feel that every player should be nothing mroe than a target for their pleasure. These individuals usually have no interest in anything but their own enjoyment, which is dervied primarialy from ruining the enjoyment of others. Basically a carebear is anyone who lacks the sociopathic tendancies of the pvp mindset.

Cipher7
Posted - 2008.03.23 12:37:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Decard Sune
Edited by: Decard Sune on 23/03/2008 12:12:37
Carebear is a derogatory term used by those who feel that every player should be nothing mroe than a target for their pleasure. These individuals usually have no interest in anything but their own enjoyment, which is dervied primarialy from ruining the enjoyment of others. Basically a carebear is anyone who lacks the sociopathic tendancies of the pvp mindset.


Sociopathic implies that we're not playing a game, that we're doing RL work and other people are ruining it for their enjoyment.

Assume anything you build, anything you buy, anything you own, is going to be destroyed.

Don't be attached to material stuff. Learn to let go.

It is not a human right to own a CNR. It is not a human right to own a Hulk. It is not a human right to have +5 implants.

All those things are temporary items that you use for as long as they survive.

Don't think of it like WoW where you loot an uber sword and its yours for the rest of eternity, here the purple sword is a tempoary item, there are many like it, you lose 1 you get another.

My definition of carebear :

Carebear is an action not a person.

"I'm carebearing right now" means I'm either ratting or mining or missionhoing, anything that involves interacting with NPC's or the environment to accumulate wealth.

Amarria Black
Clan Anthraxx
Posted - 2008.03.23 12:47:00 - [29]
 

Ruining other peoples' gameplay on MMOs is the new pulling wings off a fly. It's a good metric for a potential for sociopathy.

Still, Decard Sune is waaay overdramatic.

Ki An
Gallente
The Really Awesome Players
Posted - 2008.03.23 12:55:00 - [30]
 

According to my definition (listed above) this thread has quite a few carebears in it for those who want to see.


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