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Procurer Fennika
Posted - 2008.03.21 18:01:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Procurer Fennika on 22/03/2008 21:11:05
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Bronson Hughes
ADVANCED Combat and Engineering
Posted - 2008.03.21 18:14:00 - [2]
 

CCP doesn't force anyone to upgrade to the premium content. In fact, if your computer doesn't meet the minimum specs, it won't let you do it with the automatic downloader.

Granted, the Trinity engine (which everyone is forced to use now) does have some issues compared to the previous one but if you have the right client version installed and have your graphics set resonably the lag caused by the client isn't horrible.

Server-side lag is another issue entirely....

Vanessa Vale
Posted - 2008.03.21 18:56:00 - [3]
 

Edited by: Vanessa Vale on 21/03/2008 18:56:17
Originally by: Bronson Hughes

Granted, the Trinity engine (which everyone is forced to use now) does have some issues compared to the previous one but if you have the right client version installed and have your graphics set resonably the lag caused by the client isn't horrible.


I'm part of those people who were expecting a significant improvement on the client that they were using when trinity hit, and that we didn't get at all.

IIRC the new engine was said to make possible UI improvements. We are still stuck with green on green, after 3 months the drones in the bay still don't show their shields and armor, it takes a thousand clicks to do anything, overview is still bugged with repeated ships and wrong standings, alt(-z) is bugged (or nerfed), crappy performance floating in the middle of space or surrounded by a couple of blue and red rectangles and crosses, etc.


Procurer Fennika
Posted - 2008.03.21 19:02:00 - [4]
 

Edited by: Procurer Fennika on 21/03/2008 19:04:33
CCP know the reason, but won't tell :) Since they won't confirm they have tons of places they can optimize in client engine, but for some reason they don't do this. Who knows - what's the reason :)

P.S. As example - do you really think undock command really takes 10 or more seconds to be completed?

Zin Zy
Posted - 2008.03.21 19:24:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Procurer Fennika
Edited by: Procurer Fennika on 21/03/2008 19:04:33
CCP know the reason, but won't tell :) Since they won't confirm they have tons of places they can optimize in client engine, but for some reason they don't do this. Who knows - what's the reason :)

P.S. As example - do you really think undock command really takes 10 or more seconds to be completed?


You are really great at slander and conspiracy theroy's. The suspense unbearable. When will the next newsletter be published? Laughing

Procurer Fennika
Posted - 2008.03.21 19:29:00 - [6]
 

Originally by: Zin Zy
You are really great at slander and conspiracy theroy's. The suspense unbearable. When will the next newsletter be published? Laughing


When CCP will come from Valhalla to the land of mortals to answer the questions. And depending on what they will say - i will consider to continue posting things here.

Zin Zy
Posted - 2008.03.21 19:36:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Procurer Fennika
Originally by: Zin Zy
You are really great at slander and conspiracy theroy's. The suspense unbearable. When will the next newsletter be published? Laughing


When CCP will come from Valhalla to the land of mortals to answer the questions. And depending on what they will say - i will consider to continue posting things here.


What makes you think they see them selves as warriors fallen in a battle?

Ferocious FeAr
THE FINAL STAND
Everto Rex Regis
Posted - 2008.03.21 19:38:00 - [8]
 

Go outside of your house meight, no one cares about your stupid propaganda posts.

Procurer Fennika
Posted - 2008.03.21 19:41:00 - [9]
 

Since there are people, who exploiting eve (so called botters, not so called macrosers) using native engine and able to reproduce all in-game mechanics aspects in bot logic. And CCP can't do anything with them.

Why shouldn't i consider CCP as side that lost that battle. I'm just asking why they can't optimize EVE (oh i know there'are many unnecessary things to remove or rewrite), if they can't get rid of botters (i'm not talking about usual macrosers they can only ban by petiotion - there's no detection of bots ingame).

Cain Calzon
Caldari
Genco
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
Posted - 2008.03.22 02:10:00 - [10]
 

didnt CCP make an statement that the current trinity client doesnt have all the GPU enhancements in place? as such the CPU is still doing most of the actual processing, like the old classic client is doing today. i have an distinct memory that they were going to fix the actual transfer of loading to the GPU at a later date

Procurer Fennika
Posted - 2008.03.22 08:55:00 - [11]
 

In cost of drastically losing perfomance?

Shionoya Risa
The Xenodus Initiative.
Posted - 2008.03.22 12:05:00 - [12]
 

Why are you filling their forums with crap would be a better question.

Abrazzar
Posted - 2008.03.22 12:55:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Shionoya Risa
Why are you filling their forums with crap would be a better question.

Maybe because he's a disgruntled ISK farmer seeing his business in danger of becoming extinct after CCP successfully blocked the ISK selling spam? How else would he know such things about 'undetectable bots' like he claimed in the other thread and cries about CCP having access to data that allows them to precisely ban single computers, which is used primarily do eliminate farming activities.

How's that for tinfoil?

ISD BH Sabaoth


Amarr
ISD BH
Posted - 2008.03.22 15:18:00 - [14]
 

Edited by: ISD BH Sabaoth on 22/03/2008 15:21:35
Originally by: Procurer Fennika
Since there are people, who exploiting eve (so called botters, not so called macrosers) using native engine and able to reproduce all in-game mechanics aspects in bot logic. And CCP can't do anything with them.

Why shouldn't i consider CCP as side that lost that battle. I'm just asking why they can't optimize EVE (oh i know there'are many unnecessary things to remove or rewrite), if they can't get rid of botters (i'm not talking about usual macrosers they can only ban by petiotion - there's no detection of bots ingame).


Procurer I'm afraid you lack a basic understanding of the internal workings of a game engine never mind the security systems in place to stop such activities. No bot uses the game engine to 'run' the amount of backward engineering and sheer guess work required to do this is astronomical. Bots are an issue for all games and for the most part it is done through memory hooks, this is something that CCP has in the past and continues to fortify so that bots are harder to create.

Your logic appears to be that CCP know EVE is unoptimised and won't do anything about it, that they also think there are people that have backward engineered the Trinity engine and have total control using it for botting activities.

This logic is flawed and wrong, games always have performance issues and this is something CCP take seriously. EVE has always been a CPU intensive game due to the technology used for rendering. We could never use DirectX to its fully capacities before and as such hard to fake detail on models/textures and let the CPU do the majority of the work. Thankfully this is something that was worked on for many years and has been resolved in the Premium client, there are and always will be areas that need further optimised and CCP will strive to do this.

Also if you do suspect someone is 'botting' please petition them as we DO actually have methods of checking.



Procurer Fennika
Posted - 2008.03.22 15:22:00 - [15]
 

Edited by: Procurer Fennika on 22/03/2008 15:51:56
Edited by: Procurer Fennika on 22/03/2008 15:36:44
I afraid theres already a so called release on chinese 0 day scene with source code of eve. I don't know how it's possible, but i don't have any reasons to think it's not a source code. As you know things Chinese guys are skilled reverse engineers, so i think they've made it.

P.S. And people who saw this "release" (i know these guys somewhat - they are from panama if i'm not mistaken, they are even don't connected with eve, nor playing it) told some things (3 actually) to me (1 of them caused me to replace advapi32.dll with own version of it - and what my belowed packet capturer told me - confirmed first of things they said. I have no reason thing 2 other things are lie.

P.P.S As you know even private releases of underground groups are going public some day. Don't care when this will happen, but i when such thing will go public - CCP will have take their words back.

I don't like when somebody steals intellectual property, i'm programmer myself. But in that case i would like somebody do this. Because it's the only way to see how much lie is in CCP words. And i'm praying for somebody from underground groups to do this release public.

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N.B. Since CCP considers such things are impossible - even if i don't care about those who are botting or reengineering other's softwares - you may consider this as trolling. But if CCP will have questions for me - i will not answer any of them. I've tried to ask CCP for the things i fear of - and got only laughs from forum members and CCP BH department. So i will laught on you when Chineses make people know the truth :) Good luck & good bye, i'm stopping writing in this (and others) topic - since no sense in it.

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If this won't happen i will just delete my eve, and will wait for russian "world of tides" or "jumpgate: evolution". EVE loses it's beauty every day.

Adelorae24
Caldari
Limited Mercy
Posted - 2008.03.22 16:15:00 - [16]
 

Your logic is far too flawed for you to be a programmer. You're a johnny foreigner isk farmer who thinks it's fun to talk about CCP like they are the friggin' new world order.

There are programs that have been created to emulate Eve's server-side environment, but they were certainly not created from CCP source code. They are pieces of junk that are designed to fool an Eve client into believing it's talking with an actual Eve server. At any rate, you have no idea what you're talking about, and I'm glad you decided in your final post to just be quiet.

Kappas.
Galaxy Punks
Posted - 2008.03.22 18:41:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: ISD BH Sabaoth
Edited by: ISD BH Sabaoth on 22/03/2008 15:21:35
Originally by: Procurer Fennika
Since there are people, who exploiting eve (so called botters, not so called macrosers) using native engine and able to reproduce all in-game mechanics aspects in bot logic. And CCP can't do anything with them.

Why shouldn't i consider CCP as side that lost that battle. I'm just asking why they can't optimize EVE (oh i know there'are many unnecessary things to remove or rewrite), if they can't get rid of botters (i'm not talking about usual macrosers they can only ban by petiotion - there's no detection of bots ingame).


Procurer I'm afraid you lack a basic understanding of the internal workings of a game engine never mind the security systems in place to stop such activities. No bot uses the game engine to 'run' the amount of backward engineering and sheer guess work required to do this is astronomical. Bots are an issue for all games and for the most part it is done through memory hooks, this is something that CCP has in the past and continues to fortify so that bots are harder to create.

Your logic appears to be that CCP know EVE is unoptimised and won't do anything about it, that they also think there are people that have backward engineered the Trinity engine and have total control using it for botting activities.

This logic is flawed and wrong, games always have performance issues and this is something CCP take seriously. EVE has always been a CPU intensive game due to the technology used for rendering. We could never use DirectX to its fully capacities before and as such hard to fake detail on models/textures and let the CPU do the majority of the work. Thankfully this is something that was worked on for many years and has been resolved in the Premium client, there are and always will be areas that need further optimised and CCP will strive to do this.

Also if you do suspect someone is 'botting' please petition them as we DO actually have methods of checking.





There was one a few years ago, either someone decompiled the client or code was leaked, I seem to remember something about it.

Procurer Fennika
Posted - 2008.03.23 06:41:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Kappas.
There was one a few years ago, either someone decompiled the client or code was leaked, I seem to remember something about it.


Yes Kappas, there was. The situation i'm talking about is "fresh". Don't know it's release date since i don't have access to chinese 0day, but it happened within 1 month back from today. And i assume CCP did nothing serious since last time, since it happened again.


 

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