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Procurer Fennika
Posted - 2008.03.21 17:55:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Procurer Fennika on 21/03/2008 18:59:12
At least i'm highly interested to know why they are getting this information from my PC without my autorization.

Even keeping in mind product-id is a not that very important value, but there's also a fact of "stealing" some data, that allows to perfectly identify a certain PC (like hostname, ip, mask, domain/workgroup name and so on).

Are you interested to know too? /sign in here

Bronson Hughes
ADVANCED Combat and Engineering
Posted - 2008.03.21 18:08:00 - [2]
 

What information is CCP getting and what are they doing with it? I know that the current release looks to your PC to see what graphics settings are available. That and related issues I would have no problem with because it's being used by the client and not leaving my computer.

Procurer Fennika
Posted - 2008.03.21 18:12:00 - [3]
 

Ask CCP, man. And we'll see how complete will be their answer :)

Lord Matrix
Flying Banana Squad
Posted - 2008.03.21 18:12:00 - [4]
 

Because Microsoft does not deem this information private.

Procurer Fennika
Posted - 2008.03.21 18:18:00 - [5]
 

Edited by: Procurer Fennika on 21/03/2008 18:21:48
What if i will ask a lawyer specializing at privacy?
Or what can CCP say about about built-in telnet service? I don't want any access to my PC from CCP programmers or whoever can use it :)

It would be also nice to know, why EVE client receives critical information about my system i do not want to redistribute (like product-id, hostname, workgroup name e.t.c) in a stealthy way (when constantly loaded debugger with notification on certain kernel function calls notices nothing, maybe i should try another function calls to monitor - ones used in rootkits)?

Bronson Hughes
ADVANCED Combat and Engineering
Posted - 2008.03.21 18:25:00 - [6]
 

How about you get to your point instead of making vague allegations.

Do you feel that CCP is removing information from your computer, transmitting it to a foreign computer, and using it for their own personal gain?

Do you have any proof?

Procurer Fennika
Posted - 2008.03.21 18:36:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Bronson Hughes
How about you get to your point instead of making vague allegations.

Do you feel that CCP is removing information from your computer, transmitting it to a foreign computer, and using it for their own personal gain?

Do you have any proof?


Yes i'm feeling i have. Proof - would packet dump with that data work?

I have to notice i have Microsoft CryptoAPI service replaced with my own library i using sometime for my work. The only difference it logs all calls to functions within this library. Oh my god... i also have some function names like original advapi32.dll had.... So i assume CCP won't like me publishing that packet dump :)

Kylegar
Caldari
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2008.03.21 18:37:00 - [8]
 

post it then. stop making accusations without proof

Procurer Fennika
Posted - 2008.03.21 18:43:00 - [9]
 

Give me a minute... Gona start my virutal pc with replaced advapi32 library.

Procurer Fennika
Posted - 2008.03.21 18:47:00 - [10]
 


Goumindong
SniggWaffe
Posted - 2008.03.21 18:50:00 - [11]
 

What personal information?

Procurer Fennika
Posted - 2008.03.21 18:52:00 - [12]
 

Edited by: Procurer Fennika on 21/03/2008 18:55:48
Hidden ones? Mac address, ip, hostname, domain/workgroup name and so. At least i consider this information private and don't want anybody to read it too (Windows product-id is the last thing i care about, but these are - the ones i really care of)

Abrazzar
Posted - 2008.03.21 19:10:00 - [13]
 

IIRC CCP is working closely together with Microsoft and are allowed access to Windows by means integrated into the OS to gain identification which is also used by Microsoft for identifying Windows versions and registered customers. This information is used in bans which allows CCP to bar individual computers from accessing EvE.

If you have issues with that, uninstall Windows.

Procurer Fennika
Posted - 2008.03.21 19:17:00 - [14]
 

They may have consider function names or variable names as their property. But their values, stored on my PC, entered by me - are mine private information. Until CCP will make a public announcement and remove this. Or there will happen a kernel-level solution to disallow OS "share" this information with certain applications (EVE will be first in list) i will surely advertise to use here and on other forums related to eve, as well as on fan-sites (sourcecode will be included).

Jaketh Ivanes
Amarr
House of El
Posted - 2008.03.21 19:19:00 - [15]
 

Don't use your work PC to play games with???

Tarminic
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2008.03.21 19:22:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Procurer Fennika
Edited by: Procurer Fennika on 21/03/2008 18:55:48
Hidden ones? Mac address, ip, hostname, domain/workgroup name and so. At least i consider this information private and don't want anybody to read it too (Windows product-id is the last thing i care about, but these are - the ones i really care of)

LOL, do you really consider your IP address private? Or your Mac address? Laughing

Also tinfoil hattery for the win.

Procurer Fennika
Posted - 2008.03.21 19:22:00 - [17]
 

Edited by: Procurer Fennika on 21/03/2008 19:26:33
Since i work remotely - i'm using home PC to work on it. This doesn't affect the situation. I'm not interested my computer's network location details to be disclosed to anybody.

Yes, thats private information, not intended for ingame use. If you don't care about it - don't anwser here. CCP didn't even bother to notify customers like me about this :) But they had :)

Zin Zy
Posted - 2008.03.21 19:28:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: Procurer Fennika
Since i work remotely - i'm using home PC to work on it. This doesn't affect the situation. I'm not interested my computer's network location details to be disclosed to anybody.


Well, to bad. It's pretty hard to play an online game without the server knowing where you are.
But if you are so smart, why not redirect your IP so the server thinks it is sending to a computer in another continent than yours?

Must say, this "stop the share of information, CCP is evil and I got the solution!" sounds like a keylogger scam, to be honest. "Hey all, CCP are stealing from you. Use this program to stop them."... Yes, I like my tinfoil pirate hat Smile

Jakus Cemendur
Caldari
Invicta.
Advocated Destruction
Posted - 2008.03.21 19:28:00 - [19]
 

So you seriously consider your IP address private, even when on any internet forum you post on a moderator can easily do an IP check on you. Your IP address is hardly private.

Abrazzar
Posted - 2008.03.21 19:29:00 - [20]
 


Procurer Fennika
Posted - 2008.03.21 19:31:00 - [21]
 

I don't care about IP of my WAN interface. And there are still question about things, hidden in eve that shouldn't be there, after this "theft" of network location details.

Ferocious FeAr
THE FINAL STAND
Everto Rex Regis
Posted - 2008.03.21 19:36:00 - [22]
 

Is this a joke? You gotta be fuking kidding me.

Procurer Fennika
Posted - 2008.03.21 19:43:00 - [23]
 

Edited by: Procurer Fennika on 21/03/2008 19:53:29
/waiting for CCP reply (and don't try to lie, i know as much as you are)

Orchid Ix
Kahi Mohala
Posted - 2008.03.21 20:14:00 - [24]
 

I think someone didn't read their Windows EULA Razz

Rough overview: "We as in Microsoft™ can do whatever we want when we want to the computer Windows™ has been installed to."

Tippia
Caldari
Sunshine and Lollipops
Posted - 2008.03.21 20:16:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Tarminic
LOL, do you really consider your IP address private? Or your Mac address? Laughing

Also tinfoil hattery for the win.
This, tbh. YARRRR!!

Procurer Fennika
Posted - 2008.03.21 20:23:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Orchid Ix
I think someone didn't read their Windows EULA Razz

Rough overview: "We as in Microsoft™ can do whatever we want when we want to the computer Windows™ has been installed to."


Not in case doing this under Wine.

Kappas.
Galaxy Punks
Posted - 2008.03.21 22:00:00 - [27]
 

Pretty sure Oveur said something on EVETV aaaaages ago about eve having something like a rootkit... Be damned if I can find a link though.

Carus Lecti
Posted - 2008.03.21 22:12:00 - [28]
 

To OP: There is a simple and universal fix to this issue you are having. Disconnect your computer from the outlet in the wall. Problem solved.

Admiral Pelleon
White Shadow Imperium
Posted - 2008.03.21 23:17:00 - [29]
 

Remove computer from desk, chop into small pieces, add flour and bake one hour at 400*F.

Vested Interest
Posted - 2008.03.22 02:06:00 - [30]
 

ask ur lawyer and stfu


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