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Asuka Smith
Gallente
Royal Black Watch Highlanders
Posted - 2008.03.19 20:08:00 - [91]
 

Speaking as a dedicated miner... If you do not like getting suicide ganked watch local. The people killing you will die also, and the game is DESIGNED to allow someone willing to make the trade to sacrifice their own ship to kill someone elses.

CCP does not need to step in, when there is a 100% safe system in EVE is the day that the game dies and I just play WoW (because at that point it will be the same thing, and WoW runs smoother).

Other than crying to CCP because you will not change your playstyle one iota try the following.

1. Watch local, you see a goon you dock, just like in 0.0
2. Move to some safer space.
3. Hire a guard.
4. Move to 0.0 (most alliances guard their indy wing)

etc

Cheyenne Shadowborn
Caldari
Noob Much Inc.
Posted - 2008.03.19 20:10:00 - [92]
 

Originally by: Placename HERE
and types Allah in local.



Agreed. Sadly, CCPs terms of service which I just read outlaw anti-religious groups but not such statements.

Personally I would petition that under chapter 2 of their Terms of Service as ethnically offensive, and if they decline it I would petition again and this time ask them to add "religious statements used clearly to provoke" to their Terms of Service.

Personally I've had it with these jihadfreaks.

Shadow Joy
Posted - 2008.03.19 20:10:00 - [93]
 

It doesn't have to stop.

There are several viable counters to these tactics - the most important of which is paying attention.

Your being a victim is a reflection of your bad luck and lack of skill. It is not a reason for the developers to change the game.

Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2008.03.19 20:12:00 - [94]
 

Originally by: Cheyenne Shadowborn
Originally by: Placename HERE
and types Allah in local.



Agreed. Sadly, CCPs terms of service which I just read outlaw anti-religious groups but not such statements.

Personally I would petition that under chapter 2 of their Terms of Service as ethnically offensive, and if they decline it I would petition again and this time ask them to add "religious statements used clearly to provoke" to their Terms of Service.

Personally I've had it with these jihadfreaks.


What is offensive about "Allah"?

Reem Fairchild
Minmatar
Punic Corp.
Posted - 2008.03.19 20:14:00 - [95]
 

Originally by: Cheyenne Shadowborn
Originally by: Placename HERE
and types Allah in local.



Agreed. Sadly, CCPs terms of service which I just read outlaw anti-religious groups but not such statements.

Personally I would petition that under chapter 2 of their Terms of Service as ethnically offensive, and if they decline it I would petition again and this time ask them to add "religious statements used clearly to provoke" to their Terms of Service.

Personally I've had it with these jihadfreaks.


The Arabic word for 'God' is "ethnically offensive"?

Willow Whisp
Sadist Faction
Posted - 2008.03.19 20:14:00 - [96]
 

Originally by: Placename HERE
with 80 to 100 people in local its hard to spot 1 or 2 gonns sneaking into system.


Maybe you shouldn't be mining in a system that's so busy?

ghost st
Posted - 2008.03.19 20:15:00 - [97]
 

Edited by: ghost st on 19/03/2008 20:16:03
Edited by: ghost st on 19/03/2008 20:15:07
Like i said before in the arms race that is eve CCP have not given the non-pvp player many tools to work with. And the continuing escalation of pvp ships has gone unchecked and concord has not been buffed equally along the way.

I agree that you should be able to have impact on another player. But the other player should be able to impact you without being forced to do things your way.

Right now if you get suicide ganked your only recourse is to shoot back. But for industry specced characters that is not usually an option. Industrialists should have more options, we should have trade embargoes, and that type of thing.Very Happy

Im not saying eve should be a no-risks game, im saying that risk should be equal (but with the possibility of the risks being different) on all sides.

The goons couldnt do much if we had trade embargoes, think of what would happen if 1/2 of eve cut off sales to goons.Shocked

Garregus
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2008.03.19 20:16:00 - [98]
 

i love how people are coming up with these ridiculous ways to avoid being jihaded when they could mine in minmatar space with impunity from us.

also this could very well be a goon troll because holy crap its awesome. the amount of whining and crying here just makes my day.

Ushatuhkwa Kaeshe
Posted - 2008.03.19 20:17:00 - [99]
 

Originally by: Placename HERE
I cant belive a community could be so unkind to it new players.
How are we EVER supposed to catch up to players of that age and skill?


New players don't have exhumers 4 and fly hulks & mackinaws.

Lyria Skydancer
Amarr
Gunship Diplomacy
Posted - 2008.03.19 20:20:00 - [100]
 

Originally by: Placename HERE
Please for the love of god CCP .. these dam goons are blowing up everything in site.

Not just techII but now techI as well. This has gone far beyond a joke that you build a game that a single lamer can lock down a system and just keep killing miners.

Where the hell go these goons get all there ships from?

Now they have moved to posting kill mails in local, its sickening.


Victim: Nyvette
Alliance: NONE
Corp: School of Applied Knowledge
Destroyed: Hulk
System: Hurtoken
Security: 0.6
Damage Taken: 11222

Involved parties:

Name: Thorn Rocket / Guristas
Damage Done: 6381

Name: CRUSH BOSS (laid the final blow)
Security: -1.4
Alliance: GoonSwarm
Corp: BigMek Industries
Ship: Rokh
Weapon: Large Rudimentary Concussion Bomb I
Damage Done: 4841


Victim: baclbc
Alliance: NONE
Corp: Republic University
Destroyed: Mackinaw
System: Hurtoken
Security: 0.6
Damage Taken: 3375

Involved parties:

Name: CRUSH BOSS (laid the final blow)
Security: -1.4
Alliance: GoonSwarm
Corp: BigMek Industries
Ship: Raven
Weapon: Caldari Navy Bane Torpedo
Damage Done: 3375


Victim: Lemant
Alliance: The Cool Kids Club
Corp: The Deceptikhanz
Destroyed: Retriever
System: Hurtoken
Security: 0.6
Damage Taken: 2836

Involved parties:

Name: CRUSH BOSS (laid the final blow)
Security: -1.5
Alliance: GoonSwarm
Corp: BigMek Industries
Ship: Raven
Weapon: Caldari Navy Bane Torpedo
Damage Done: 1496



This is no joke any more, i mean they just keep coming out in new ships and doing it over and over again. For gods sake at least make them station bound for 2 hours or something, this crap happened in the sapce of about 45 minutes, its not funny, this is griefing, and CCP should not support it.

This Crush Boss guy and others like him/her are nothing but jerks (im being nice here).

CCP you realy need to do something NOW, PLEASE.




Yup, I can have it right? Your stuff...I can have it, yes?

Reem Fairchild
Minmatar
Punic Corp.
Posted - 2008.03.19 20:22:00 - [101]
 

Originally by: ghost st
Originally by: Reem Fairchild
Originally by: ghost st

Like I said in the post before, its not a matter of learning. But more of a matter of forcing other players to play how you play.


This is not a everyone runs around doing whatever they want without challenge or consequences type game. You can't be free from the effects of other players' actions. None of us is. Just the fact that you ever thought you were proves that Goons are doing the game a favor with this thing.


This inst a game where you should be able to force someone to adapt your play style either


Unless I'm playing Hello Kitty Online without realizing it, I do believe you're wrong.

Johli
Caldari
Thundercats
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2008.03.19 20:22:00 - [102]
 

Originally by: Cheyenne Shadowborn
Originally by: Placename HERE
and types Allah in local.



Agreed. Sadly, CCPs terms of service which I just read outlaw anti-religious groups but not such statements.

Personally I would petition that under chapter 2 of their Terms of Service as ethnically offensive, and if they decline it I would petition again and this time ask them to add "religious statements used clearly to provoke" to their Terms of Service.

Personally I've had it with these jihadfreaks.

So, if I type "Jesus" into local, I'm insulting Christians?
While I get they say this to emulate, er, certain people, unless they start ranting against Islam and use possibly derogatory terms, the chances any action will be taken against them would be as small as your chances of survival in any belt in non-Minmatar empire space while in a stationary, non-tanked Hulk with fifty goons in local. :P
To all the miners out there:
Mine in Minmatar space.
Tank your damn Hulk (or any other exhumer/barge)
Dock when Goons come into local.
And if you don't like it, I hear Azeroth has good mining. Or quests. Or whatever they are called.

Havohej
Du'uma Fiisi Integrated Astrometrics
Posted - 2008.03.19 20:22:00 - [103]
 

Originally by: Placename HERE
Originally by: karttoon
http://www.jihadswarm.com/?a=message

You've been given options. If you choose to ignore them, your blood is on your own hands.


What, are you role playing here? were you dropped on your head at birth ? Allah indeed, that is what you little side welp yelled in local after he blew up my ship, what the hell is wrong with you people, guys like you and crush boss and who ever else do this sort of childish act are nothing but navel lint, yea thats right nothing. I hope mommy takes your credit cards for being bad jihads.


I need a goon alt so I can post "Allahu Akbar" in every one of these threads.

Bklyn 1
Posted - 2008.03.19 20:23:00 - [104]
 

Originally by: Nhi'Khuna
Originally by: Placename HERE
I cant belive a community could be so unkind to it new players.
How are we EVER supposed to catch up to players of that age and skill?

Alot of you posters think its funny ? your no better than the goons.

I think my time in eve is fading fast, yes and you can say the "can i have your stuff" but i cant see you doing much with friggen space dust cuz thats all i got left Sad



I have to speak up and agree with him on this one. The community in Eve is -brutal- for new players. One of the reason why Empire space and CONCORD was created was to provide a safe grounds in which these new players could flourish while they prep to go out into lowsec or 0.0.

Understand I'm writing from the perspective of a hardcore PVPer and semi-retired pirate. It's already difficult for our indy counterparts to make a decent living. between highsec gate camp gankings and now mining op busts in high sector space, it's making it difficult for anyone who is starting out to get into the game.

Why does this matter to you, the cynical, jaded and oh so l33t eve player? Your (our) game survives on the influx of new players. The economics of CCP's financial wellbeing depends on a constant uprise of players logged in and playing the game. If the learning curve is admittedly brutal, pvp harsh and now high sec offers very little by way of security for our young pups, it's all the more incentive for them NOT to continue to play.

Again, don't get me wrong, I LOVE that Eve is as harsh and unforgiving an environment as it is. I LOVE the fact that if you lose pvping it burns. But for the beginning player it can make or break their decision as to whether they would stay and keep playing.

The counter-argument to this, of course, is that goon brings brand spanking new newbs into 0.0 from day 1, and I applaud that initiative! The problem to this is that not every alliance/corporation is going to have the wherewithall or infrastructure to provide their newbs with the much needed support of being in an 'end game' environment right from the get go.

It's kind of like being a pirate. As a pirate I left the newbs alone. What sense was there in ganking a poor 4 day old fella? I wasn't proving my combat prowess but rather being the playground bully punching the new guy in the nose cause he looked funny and didn't know what the term 'onboard scanner' meant... Get my point?


I agree totally. However in this instance, it is my understanding that Goons are blowing up Hulks and Covetors and sometimes Retrievers, so we are not exactly talking about new players. But yes, Eve would help itself a lot by giving new players a bit more of an opportunity to learn the ropes. Eve is a very complicated game (which is one thing I love about it) and the player guide and tutorial don't explain it all.

Why insurance exists at all or is paid out to people killed by Concorde, I cannot explain or justify. Get rid of insurance, alts, lag and local and you will make Eve truly great.

Cheyenne Shadowborn
Caldari
Noob Much Inc.
Posted - 2008.03.19 20:28:00 - [105]
 

Edited by: Cheyenne Shadowborn on 19/03/2008 20:48:35
Originally by: Reem Fairchild

The Arabic word for 'God' is "ethnically offensive"?


Technically, its not ethnically offensive. It might well be ethically offensive (note the subtle difference) but CCP doesn't cover that - they should really waterproof their terms of service. But even then I make the case that its just plain offensive in this context, which on its own IS covered by the TOS.

If used purely to provoke people, by someone who probably isn't even a muslim, I'd call that borderline offensive. The whole jihadswarm site is built purely to provoke people, that should be rather evident. And if CCP had written the TOS properly, it would list religious organisations and speech anyways (it lists anti-religious for some reason). As matters stand, I could prolly spam for some obscure sect in local tomorrow and the TOS would technically not even apply.

Back however on topic, I'm normally the last one to bring up 9/11 but hypothetically, getting in front of the WTC on 10/11 and yelling 'Allah' all day will be ethically offensive to a lot of people. Its all about context.

EDIT: In this context it could also be petitioned as "hate-mongering philosophies". Using "Allah" in combination with suicide attacks would clearly qualify.

telxkiskisrowr
Caldari
Perkone
Posted - 2008.03.19 20:29:00 - [106]
 

as a goon i mine in 0.0. problem solved. hulk pilot with 99% refine on bis, ark, and scrap in a 35% outpost. so clearly industry specced.

yes they have needed to be able to put stuff on market for alliance or corp only forever. if you want to set only to those with 0+ standing and set goons negative that would be *****ing.

i tank everything i own from my friggin badger 2 to my hulk thanks much.

the reason they can throw away ravens is because me and my wife sell them at 70m and still make profit due to mineral prices where we are at in 0.0. i get all my mins locally but the jita price still affects them.

even as an industry specced character and normal bleeding heart i found those kill mails in 45 minutes amusing. you shouldn't be in an exhumer without having learned so basic avoidance skills like mine in systems with low enough population to watch local.

Zorlag
Minmatar
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2008.03.19 20:32:00 - [107]
 

Originally by: telxkiskisrowr
as a goon i mine in 0.0. problem solved. hulk pilot with 99% refine on bis, ark, and scrap in a 35% outpost. so clearly industry specced.

yes they have needed to be able to put stuff on market for alliance or corp only forever. if you want to set only to those with 0+ standing and set goons negative that would be *****ing.

i tank everything i own from my friggin badger 2 to my hulk thanks much.

the reason they can throw away ravens is because me and my wife sell them at 70m and still make profit due to mineral prices where we are at in 0.0. i get all my mins locally but the jita price still affects them.

even as an industry specced character and normal bleeding heart i found those kill mails in 45 minutes amusing. you shouldn't be in an exhumer without having learned so basic avoidance skills like mine in systems with low enough population to watch local.


MY WIFE

MY HULK

MY HULKING WIFE

Exlegion
Caldari
Salva Veritate
Posted - 2008.03.19 20:33:00 - [108]
 

Edited by: Exlegion on 20/03/2008 13:04:54
Originally by: Reem Fairchild
The Arabic word for 'God' is "ethnically offensive"?


You're playing technicalities with the issue when you know very well what context "Allah" is being used in. So to answer your question, no, Allah in and of itself isn't offensive. Now suiciding your ship, yelling "Jihad!" and "Allah!" in local, calling your campaign 'Jihadswarm' (or whatever it's called), and given all the current world events shows a broader picture of what is being implied here. But of course, I don't really need to tell you that because you already know that. Only the most naive of children couldn't put all these contexts and meanings together. You're using this play of words to excuse their behavior. Now I'm not one to decide how offensive these actions are. But I do agree that they are tasteless and offensive.

Quite frankly, if they truly even respected the word "Allah" as you'd like for us to believe they do, they would not even be using it in such a disrespectful and tasteless manner. But it's what I've come to expect from this group of players anyway.


Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2008.03.19 20:35:00 - [109]
 

Originally by: Bklyn 1


I agree totally. However in this instance, it is my understanding that Goons are blowing up Hulks and Covetors and sometimes Retrievers, so we are not exactly talking about new players. But yes, Eve would help itself a lot by giving new players a bit more of an opportunity to learn the ropes. Eve is a very complicated game (which is one thing I love about it) and the player guide and tutorial don't explain it all.

W/quote]

EvE university. Agony. Join a corp.


Lots of opportunities for someone who just doesn't sit in local, endlesslly mining the same belt for 23 hours a day.

Cheyenne Shadowborn
Caldari
Noob Much Inc.
Posted - 2008.03.19 20:36:00 - [110]
 

Edited by: Cheyenne Shadowborn on 19/03/2008 20:39:20
Originally by: Nhi'Khuna

The counter-argument to this, of course, is that goon brings brand spanking new newbs into 0.0 from day 1, and I applaud that initiative!


Please show me one noob who said "ah well, the goons are ganking me, lets take my cruiser that all my cash is in from a week of veld mining in a noob ship and try to go through that gatecamp and see if I can dock at that station there, 25+ jumps into 0.0 before getting ganked."

75% of the 0.0 corps a noob won't get into due to SP reqs, 90% (yes, that overlapps, thats not 165% total) of the corps in 0.0 want PvP pilots or at least PvP focus.

So, the claim that goonies are 'helping eve by putting noobs into 0.0' or whatever, I call BS on that.

goodby4u
Valor Inc.
Valor Empire
Posted - 2008.03.19 20:36:00 - [111]
 

Originally by: Placename HERE
Please for the love of god CCP .. these dam goons are blowing up everything in site.

Not just techII but now techI as well. This has gone far beyond a joke that you build a game that a single lamer can lock down a system and just keep killing miners.

Where the hell go these goons get all there ships from?

Now they have moved to posting kill mails in local, its sickening.


Victim: Nyvette
Alliance: NONE
Corp: School of Applied Knowledge
Destroyed: Hulk
System: Hurtoken
Security: 0.6
Damage Taken: 11222

Involved parties:

Name: Thorn Rocket / Guristas
Damage Done: 6381

Name: CRUSH BOSS (laid the final blow)
Security: -1.4
Alliance: GoonSwarm
Corp: BigMek Industries
Ship: Rokh
Weapon: Large Rudimentary Concussion Bomb I
Damage Done: 4841


Victim: baclbc
Alliance: NONE
Corp: Republic University
Destroyed: Mackinaw
System: Hurtoken
Security: 0.6
Damage Taken: 3375

Involved parties:

Name: CRUSH BOSS (laid the final blow)
Security: -1.4
Alliance: GoonSwarm
Corp: BigMek Industries
Ship: Raven
Weapon: Caldari Navy Bane Torpedo
Damage Done: 3375


Victim: Lemant
Alliance: The Cool Kids Club
Corp: The Deceptikhanz
Destroyed: Retriever
System: Hurtoken
Security: 0.6
Damage Taken: 2836

Involved parties:

Name: CRUSH BOSS (laid the final blow)
Security: -1.5
Alliance: GoonSwarm
Corp: BigMek Industries
Ship: Raven
Weapon: Caldari Navy Bane Torpedo
Damage Done: 1496



This is no joke any more, i mean they just keep coming out in new ships and doing it over and over again. For gods sake at least make them station bound for 2 hours or something, this crap happened in the sapce of about 45 minutes, its not funny, this is griefing, and CCP should not support it.

This Crush Boss guy and others like him/her are nothing but jerks (im being nice here).

CCP you realy need to do something NOW, PLEASE.


Ya know, next time a pile of goonswarm peoples land in local....Yeah dock up.

If you want to mine without worries do so in a ship your willing to lose.

Sakura Nihil
Selective Pressure
Rote Kapelle
Posted - 2008.03.19 20:38:00 - [112]
 

Cry more. I run off of your bitter tears Razz.

Haradgrim
Systematic Mercantilism
Posted - 2008.03.19 20:39:00 - [113]
 

I like how the OP starts of with "for the love of God CCP" and then complains that a goon posted "Allah" in local.

Quelque Chose
New Eden Roller Disco Supply
Posted - 2008.03.19 20:40:00 - [114]
 

Originally by: telxkiskisrowr
as a goon i am part of a quasi- fraternity that spammed 5000 friendlies into this game for me and as a consequence any commentary i may feel the need to offer on game balance issues should be taken with a truckload of salt



ftfy

Dianeces
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2008.03.19 20:41:00 - [115]
 

Nowhere is safe, etc., etc. You fail. This thread sucks. Can I haz ur stuffs? GB2WoW.

.....

Did I miss anything?

Reem Fairchild
Minmatar
Punic Corp.
Posted - 2008.03.19 20:41:00 - [116]
 

Originally by: Cheyenne Shadowborn

If used purely to provoke people, by someone who probably isn't even a muslim, I'd call that borderline offensive.


Well if that's the issue then, as someone who is of middle eastern christian origin, I should let you know that there is nothing exclusively muslim about the word "allah". It simply means "God". Arabic-speaking christians say "allah", just like Swedes say "gud", the French say "dieu", and english speakers say "god".

You'd have better luck arguing for the word "Jihad" being offensive. At least in the context it is being used. (Not that I agree that it is offensive either.)

Viral Shadow
Amarr
Explora Empire
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
Posted - 2008.03.19 20:42:00 - [117]
 

i would support a change where concord kills you there is no insurance payout.

so when you decide to suicide it needs to be juicy enough to do so.

Tomsudy
Minmatar
Digital Fury Corporation
Posted - 2008.03.19 20:43:00 - [118]
 

Originally by: Placename HERE
I cant belive a community could be so unkind to it new players.
How are we EVER supposed to catch up to players of that age and skill?

Alot of you posters think its funny ? your no better than the goons.

I think my time in eve is fading fast, yes and you can say the "can i have your stuff" but i cant see you doing much with friggen space dust cuz thats all i got left Sad



erm not that many new players use hulks afaik

and this has been around for the past 4 years u really think your little strops gonna do **** about it. Yes its unfair, this is eve learn from ur mistakes, wow the game aint easy, tough dela with it.

Another thing my opinion on goons isnt exactly one of the highest due to there general attitude on the forums and occasionally ingame but there are a fair few people in goons i will respect. But them killing moaners like u in high sec makes me laugh :)

Viral Shadow
Amarr
Explora Empire
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
Posted - 2008.03.19 20:44:00 - [119]
 

its been around for 4 years but not on the scale as it is these days

Nyabinghi
Minmatar
Re-Awakened Technologies Inc
Posted - 2008.03.19 20:45:00 - [120]
 

As far as spotting Goons in local it's been my understanding that a significant percentage of suicide ganks are done with characters in NPC corps. Is theis info incorrect? I'm always seeing month old BS pilots camping gates and stations all over EVE.


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