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banannagirl
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2008.03.18 11:42:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: banannagirl on 18/03/2008 11:43:03
Very simple .. your clone dies your sec level goes back to 0 .

The point of this is that pirating is an aspect of the game .. building up a bounty is an aspect of pirating - to do this very often your going to implement implants so pilots wont kill temselves when their sec level is at -10.0 necessarily.

But so what if they do ... you could implement a fund that collecets any bounty from suicide pod destructs and use it in a lottery or such. But the sec rating penalties finally after 4 years needs to be got rid of - it is the main reason that so few players are playing eve instead of so many. Im really serious on this .. if you listenned to me you would see that within weeks many of the old players would return and thousands of new players would begin.

The sec level is an absolute JOKE as it is today with it carrying over to your next clone. Make the sec level go back to zero after your clone is killed and this would be brilliant.

heres the reasonning - people that want a -10.0 sec - they get killed tey have to start from 0 sec.

people that have a -10.0 sec and dont want to have to kill rats for two months ... can retire from the pirating in any way they want. But your gonna lose your implants he he he he ..!

Simple isnt it.

This is actually ehat should have been implemented instead of the gate warp to Zero.


regards
BG

Venkul Mul
Gallente
Posted - 2008.03.18 11:46:00 - [2]
 

So a pirate jump to his jumpclone without implant, his alt pod him and he get the bounty and to recover security status without grinding?

At this point CCP should even send him a complimentary Concord frigate for removing a -10 standing pirate.

Riho
Gallente
Drop of Blood
Posted - 2008.03.18 11:46:00 - [3]
 

rather pointless idea....

IT is NOT the main reason so few ppl play this game for sure... and tbh 42000+ players online at the same time is not FEW :P

Jaketh Ivanes
Amarr
House of El
Posted - 2008.03.18 11:47:00 - [4]
 

Nope, to easy to abuse and even if you die, you still committed the crimes. You are still you with your evil history of murder and mayhem. Only by proving your change of lifestyle should anyone trust you. And that requires you to hunt rats for a long time.

Willow Whisp
Sadist Faction
Posted - 2008.03.18 11:47:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: banannagirl
But your gonna lose your implants he he he he ..!


Or, you could, you know, use a jump clone. And reset your sec. status for a mere 2.8M isk. Rolling Eyes

Riesia
The Triangle
Veneratio Venator Alliance
Posted - 2008.03.18 11:48:00 - [6]
 

I can see this getting flamed but I wont be doing that, the way I see it is if you go -10 then it was your choice to get there. You have to live by your own actions so if you chose to go all flashy red then you should have to earn your sec status back.
This makes it too easy to avoid the consequences of becoming an outlaw.

Cpt Branko
Retired Pirate Club
Posted - 2008.03.18 11:48:00 - [7]
 

Edited by: Cpt Branko on 18/03/2008 11:51:45
Edited by: Cpt Branko on 18/03/2008 11:50:43
Jumpclones, etc. People without expensive implants and so on.

Unfortunately, your idea isn't all that great.

The idea about a 'gradually decaying/boosting' sec which after a while gets you to 0 sec is much better anyway.



banannagirl
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2008.03.18 11:52:00 - [8]
 

Further advantages to this system of gameplay.

A - high sec ratings are a status symbol .. we wil be able to adjudicate how good players are by their sec for a change - High sec status on any clone can be rewarded with special missions.

B - low sec rating is a status symbol (sort of) - most low sec ratings opn pilots are actually becaise the pilot cant be bothered lowering the sec level and they usually start an alt. This is unacceptable EVE - stop punishing us to play please understand this. We are not children and it is OUR money we pay so that we can play this game any WAY we want to.

C - The return to zero on any clone will deem that players have to be better pilots if they want to keep their status sec levels. Thats is the whole point of the god damn game.

I killled one ship yesterday and one pod and now my sec level is -2.49 - that many will flame this thread will take days to get to 0 - but that isnt the point is it eve... maybe i want a -10.0 sec level for a while and only for a while.

If you listen we will all reap the benfits of this massively as i can say for certain that many of the old players will return and many many more new players will start to play that have been scared off by the sec rating farce that is within eve at the present time.

Thanx for listenning.

regards
BG

Fanjita
Posted - 2008.03.18 11:52:00 - [9]
 

Edited by: Fanjita on 18/03/2008 11:53:45
Originally by: banannagirl
Edited by: banannagirl on 18/03/2008 11:43:03
I want everything given to me without having to take any effort over it on my part whatsoever.



NO. try playing the game for a change.

btw -10 to 0.0 takes about a week stop crying.

Pindleskin
Amarr
Dark Materials
Posted - 2008.03.18 11:53:00 - [10]
 

Bring back the old back handers to agents, but allow for them to pay concord, say 100 mill per point. if you are -10 its gonna cost youa bill.

This way the would be hisec gankers would need to make more per gank to cover the cost of the sec hit.

Having grinded my way back from -10 to -1.89... wish i could have givin some lowlife admin guy at concord a 1 bill back hander :)

PS.

banannagirl
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2008.03.18 11:55:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Riesia
I can see this getting flamed but I wont be doing that, the way I see it is if you go -10 then it was your choice to get there. You have to live by your own actions so if you chose to go all flashy red then you should have to earn your sec status back.
This makes it too easy to avoid the consequences of becoming an outlaw.


Your misunderstanding the point of EVE ... it is to stay alive .. you will still have the option to return your sec the ratting way if you wish ... !

Wheres the problem here ... ?

Either you keep your clone alive .. or if you get sick of pirating you lose some implants ...!

One thing i didnt know is abpout the jump clone ... thanx for the info ... MORE skills i have to trai.

regards
BG

banannagirl
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2008.03.18 11:57:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Riho
rather pointless idea....

IT is NOT the main reason so few ppl play this game for sure... and tbh 42000+ players online at the same time is not FEW :P



IT IS ONE OF THE MAIN REASONS i can tell you from four years of playing ....!

How long ahve you played this game .. and how many times have your heard people moaning about the sec rating system in eve.

Return to 0 and you watch the player ratings go through the roof.

reagrds
BG

banannagirl
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2008.03.18 11:58:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Pindleskin
Bring back the old back handers to agents, but allow for them to pay concord, say 100 mill per point. if you are -10 its gonna cost youa bill.

This way the would be hisec gankers would need to make more per gank to cover the cost of the sec hit.

Having grinded my way back from -10 to -1.89... wish i could have givin some lowlife admin guy at concord a 1 bill back hander :)

PS.


Well said ... and perhaps this an avenue .. but 100 million is too much .. 5-10 million a point maybe ...!

regards
BG

Touc hmebits
Caldari
State War Academy
Posted - 2008.03.18 11:59:00 - [14]
 

"One thing i didnt know is abpout the jump clone ... thanx for the info ... MORE skills i have to trai. "

mmmmmm, how long have you been playing?

Riesia
The Triangle
Veneratio Venator Alliance
Posted - 2008.03.18 12:00:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: banannagirl
Originally by: Riesia
I can see this getting flamed but I wont be doing that, the way I see it is if you go -10 then it was your choice to get there. You have to live by your own actions so if you chose to go all flashy red then you should have to earn your sec status back.
This makes it too easy to avoid the consequences of becoming an outlaw.


Your misunderstanding the point of EVE ... it is to stay alive .. you will still have the option to return your sec the ratting way if you wish ... !

Wheres the problem here ... ?

Either you keep your clone alive .. or if you get sick of pirating you lose some implants ...!

One thing i didnt know is abpout the jump clone ... thanx for the info ... MORE skills i have to trai.

regards
BG



Where am I misunderstanding the point of eve please?

What you want is a easy switch between the -10 and the ability to get back into empire (I am assuming for the markets?).

When you say you still have the option of ratting back to 0, do you really believe that any one would do a weeks worth of ratting over popping into a JC saving time and effort when the easy way is there?

As I said earlier if you earn your flashy red then you need to earn your way back, having the best of both worlds shouldn't be an option.

Cipher7
Posted - 2008.03.18 12:01:00 - [16]
 


Well the whole point of the sec rating system is to eventually lock you out of hisec for committing crime.

Sec rating is supposedly the "consequences" for being a criminal.

SchirmerN
Amarr
x13
IT Alliance
Posted - 2008.03.18 12:01:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: banannagirl
people that have a -10.0 sec and dont want to have to kill rats for two months ...


More like 2 weeks. Depending on how much your on..

Riho
Gallente
Drop of Blood
Posted - 2008.03.18 12:02:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: banannagirl
Originally by: Riesia
I can see this getting flamed but I wont be doing that, the way I see it is if you go -10 then it was your choice to get there. You have to live by your own actions so if you chose to go all flashy red then you should have to earn your sec status back.
This makes it too easy to avoid the consequences of becoming an outlaw.


Your misunderstanding the point of EVE ... it is to stay alive .. you will still have the option to return your sec the ratting way if you wish ... !

Wheres the problem here ... ?

Either you keep your clone alive .. or if you get sick of pirating you lose some implants ...!

One thing i didnt know is abpout the jump clone ... thanx for the info ... MORE skills i have to trai.

regards
BG



i think you FAIL to see the point of eve.. its not carebear happy land like you want it to be.. you do the crime you pay whit the time.

you have to work your way back to show CONCORD that you have turned sides.. from bad to good.

having been below -5 a few times i know exactly how long it takes to get sec back up... and its all fair... i killed ppl who wherent pirates.. i got sec hits... and that meant i needed to work hard to get back up

Niffetin
Gallente
Aliastra
Posted - 2008.03.18 12:03:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: banannagirl
Originally by: Pindleskin
Bring back the old back handers to agents, but allow for them to pay concord, say 100 mill per point. if you are -10 its gonna cost youa bill.

This way the would be hisec gankers would need to make more per gank to cover the cost of the sec hit.

Having grinded my way back from -10 to -1.89... wish i could have givin some lowlife admin guy at concord a 1 bill back hander :)

PS.


Well said ... and perhaps this an avenue .. but 100 million is too much .. 5-10 million a point maybe ...!

regards
BG



No way, how many people do you think could suicide gank like no tomorrow if going from -5 to 0 would cost them only 25-50m?

100m per 1.0 sec increase is much more reasonable, heck even make it like "reverse podding", you get 12.5% back for each 100m you pay.

You dont wanna have everyone rising their sec every day by paying a very small fee to CONCORD.

Riho
Gallente
Drop of Blood
Posted - 2008.03.18 12:04:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: banannagirl
Originally by: Riho
rather pointless idea....

IT is NOT the main reason so few ppl play this game for sure... and tbh 42000+ players online at the same time is not FEW :P



IT IS ONE OF THE MAIN REASONS i can tell you from four years of playing ....!

How long ahve you played this game .. and how many times have your heard people moaning about the sec rating system in eve.

Return to 0 and you watch the player ratings go through the roof.

reagrds
BG



i have played enough years to know the ins and outs allmost anything in eve.. as i said.. have been pirat before and know what it means to get back sec back from very low.

and i have only heard ppl moaning about sec rating only 2 - 3 times sofar :P and im a serious forum ***** :P

warpod
Amarr
People Desintegration Project
Forced Labor
Posted - 2008.03.18 12:05:00 - [21]
 

By your logic all standings should reset when you die.

(poor carebears)

Pindleskin
Amarr
Dark Materials
Posted - 2008.03.18 12:09:00 - [22]
 

100 mill per point, and only avilible from one station in a 1.0 system, with only 1 station, no markets no fitting etc.

That way, anyone who was ganked can feel a little bit better by poppin pods as they jump though the gate :)

Hell concord could even bubble the gate at all times just to make sure you get ya lock on. :)

No way should it be easy.

Cleo Yu
Posted - 2008.03.18 12:09:00 - [23]
 

Edited by: Cleo Yu on 18/03/2008 12:10:28
Do the crime and pay the time is what they say.

You wanna give youself an easy option to killing ppl when you want and carebearing when you dont feel like it.

If you want to pvp in low sec and what go jita too get an alt

Or go to 0.0 and dont worry about losing sec status simple as


Sral TBear
Shipwreck cove
Posted - 2008.03.18 12:09:00 - [24]
 

eeeh no idea about JC`s m8 you need to play abit longer then....im one that have to grind sec status...that i have done for 3 years now....

eve is werry simple....they alow you to do "interesting" things... BUT!!

Do the crime, pay the time......



techzer0
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2008.03.18 12:11:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: banannagirl
But your gonna lose your implants he he he he ..!
Who says I have implants?

Xyn Rhais
Minmatar
Native Freshfood
Posted - 2008.03.18 12:12:00 - [26]
 

It's nonsense, your actions are supposed to have consequences, and frankly for most PvPers getting podded is nothing, which is precisly why bounties don't work.

Do the crime, do the time.

Rekatan
Caldari
Pure Ground Black Pepper
Posted - 2008.03.18 12:19:00 - [27]
 

A drunken monkey could put it together that this suggestion is intended for one thing only:abuse

Might as well just call your suggestion "penalty free pirating"

Also plz get your facts straight, just because you know people who have quit the game doesn't mean Eve is on the decline. All it takes is a simple look at one of several server tracking sites to see that eve hit its highest active player population ever very recently.

Druadan
Syrus Speculations
Posted - 2008.03.18 12:35:00 - [28]
 

Do you work for CCP? This idea ranks alongside the infamous Five Fighters idea. Is that you Z-meister?

Inconstant Moon
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2008.03.18 12:44:00 - [29]
 

Once a pirate, always a pirate. If you want to reform, you've got to do hard labour.

Best idea I've seen so far is keep everything as is, but with a higher sec gain for killing other wanted players (linked to the value of the destroyed ship, same as NPCs). Turn on your own to prove you've gone good.

banannagirl
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2008.03.18 12:46:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: Niffetin
Originally by: banannagirl
Originally by: Pindleskin
Bring back the old back handers to agents, but allow for them to pay concord, say 100 mill per point. if you are -10 its gonna cost youa bill.

This way the would be hisec gankers would need to make more per gank to cover the cost of the sec hit.

Having grinded my way back from -10 to -1.89... wish i could have givin some lowlife admin guy at concord a 1 bill back hander :)

PS.


Well said ... and perhaps this an avenue .. but 100 million is too much .. 5-10 million a point maybe ...!

regards
BG



No way, how many people do you think could suicide gank like no tomorrow if going from -5 to 0 would cost them only 25-50m?

100m per 1.0 sec increase is much more reasonable, heck even make it like "reverse podding", you get 12.5% back for each 100m you pay.

You dont wanna have everyone rising their sec every day by paying a very small fee to CONCORD.


So what if people do suicide gank .. for gods sake .. if they die they aint gonna get your ship goodies are they ... and you aint gonna be podding pirates if your being ganked now re you ... derr .. the posters inconsistencies never cease to amaze me.

And i have never said eve is dying im just saying people arent STAYING ....!You need to capture your market - telling people how to play their game is not gonna do this. Suicide ganking is a part of the game.... thats what happens when you can clone yourself forever.

regards
BG


regards
BG


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