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Nenufar
Posted - 2008.03.14 13:41:00 - [151]
 

Edited by: Nenufar on 14/03/2008 13:42:22
Maybe CCP want to win a downtime award Razz

I have played a lot of online games for years until now but i have never seen a 24 hours downtime to fixes bugs from a patch and another long hours of downtime just after that to fix others and others and others bugs

Like i say before, what is the utility of the test server ?


1337tong
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
Posted - 2008.03.14 13:41:00 - [152]
 

Originally by: Emetic Smile
However, what the players should really somehow be reimbursed for is "paying" themselves in "lost" gametime for the whole shoddy QA experince.
Patches should be deployed when ready, never before.

define paying customers?

customers who pay cash or who buy gtc's using isk... those 2 are different to me and shouldnt be put in the same group.

Originally by: Emetic Smile
I understand the whole complexity of rewriting millions of lines of code, I also get the fact that there is a test server where these things are well - tested...


thats the thing though, the test server is small scale and cant really test everything that needs testing. yet the shear amount of bugs that surfaced could of been solved before the release with maybe just a handful slipping through.

Originally by: Emetic Smile
CCP cannot even hide behind a commentary of well it's an unusal occurance, becauswe it isn't - its every time!


ive been in this game over 3 yrs now and the only thing i can say about that is that its not as often as you think. it does seem to happen almost every time a major patch is released, out of those this one seems to be the worst of the bunch.

Originally by: Emetic Smile
Its obvious that many of the issues were not picked up but what is not obvious is - why not?


emetic let me school you a bit...

hotfixes = quick fixes that are untested
patches = game fixes that are tested

the amount of testing required to fix what is already in the open may take some time yet, it is also hard to even try to estimate how long that may be due to the amount of bugs and possible complexity of the game code they have wrote thus far. If i were to take a guess i'd say that we'll probably get hit with another patch tuesday at the earliest. I am however shocked that they released a untested quick fix now instead of waiting and fixing as much as they could which was tested a great deal, hence my previous reply.

as for those of who you keep asking about the alt pressing in space...... its not a bug its a new feature one that im glad they finally released now all the need to do is remove local and im a happy camper Laughing

Sanpaku Deska
Posted - 2008.03.14 13:41:00 - [153]
 

Fellow Players:

Notice the absense of CCP responses here? Notice the mis-use of technical terms? This forum thread is what used to be called a "memory hole" -- a place created usually by company's a PR flak, where the customers can complain to their heart's content. Vent. Cathart. And when you're done you'll hopefully feel better, and that CCP is helping in some unseen way. And no-one at CCP will read this or, if they do, it will have no effect whatsoever on -- well -- anything.

Yesterday's "Live Dev Blog" (weird name for a monologue but anyway) covered a range of topics, from the exotic to the bizarre, but I didn't hear one mention of fixing Jita, addressing the truly abyssmal deployment of "upgrades", the cryptic way that oddball tweaks are introduced, or any of the basic, fundamental issues I think most of the users would want to see addressed.

I couldnt care less about Trinity's graphics -- I'd swap them in a second for fast FPS, reliable connections, a REAL user interaction with CCP. I don't care how pretty a starship looks if I can't... play... the... game.

And no -- it's not whining. I notice CCP has not a hint of sympathy or amnesty if I'm late on a payment. They hold me accountable. That's fine -- but can't that go two ways? MMO players are one of the few segments of the buying populace that not only want to help the manufacturer -- they even find it flattering when the manufacturer lets them -- for free. When a customer offers input, it's not whining -- it's someone taking time out of their day, for free, to help the company improve the product. It's saddening to see this input is apparently ignored.

The fact is that, while EVE is a wonderfully compelling game, CCP's performance is far worse than lackluster, and I can't see it getting better.

Oh -- and finally -- that thing about memory holes? It works. We're all susceptible even when we know the psychodynamics.

Thanks.

adriaans
Amarr
Ankaa.
Nair Al-Zaurak
Posted - 2008.03.14 13:42:00 - [154]
 

please fix the crazy overheating that suddenly has started since this patch (even more than after trinity) (using classic client my nvidia 7900 goes ABOVE 90 C (I don't even get to undock before i have to shut down eve or my GPU would start melting (have bug reported it))) and the alt tabbing in and out of game.

Craig Crawford
Caldari
Macabre Votum
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2008.03.14 13:44:00 - [155]
 

Originally by: adriaans
please fix the crazy overheating that suddenly has started since this patch (even more than after trinity) (using classic client my nvidia 7900 goes ABOVE 90 C (I don't even get to undock before i have to shut down eve or my GPU would start melting (have bug reported it))) and the alt tabbing in and out of game.


Overheating is a sign of a dying Graphics card, I'm guessing you've had yours a while. Try replacing the thermal paste on it and removing dust.

Ancy Denaries
Posted - 2008.03.14 13:44:00 - [156]
 

Oh my dear god you are whiny! Shocked Y'all came here from WoW or something? Grow a set and shut up. Geez, you're giving me a headache. It's not like the world is going to end because you miss a few hours of (lol) internet spaceships. Go out, have a drink, chill with your friends IRL (omg! there's an IRL???) or take a walk.

You teenage whiners make either laugh or cry, can't decide.

Galacticghost
Gallente
BROTHERHOOD OF SPARTA
Posted - 2008.03.14 13:48:00 - [157]
 

heres a thought fix your issues before you employ them. after 4 yrs of playing you still dont fix anything with a patch and than the aftermath of oh were sorry were fixing the fix you people are idiots. any body wanna buy a 4 yr char??

Metros Stubbs
Caldari
Monkey Universe Corporation
Posted - 2008.03.14 13:48:00 - [158]
 

Edited by: Metros Stubbs on 14/03/2008 13:58:48
I for one am glad CCP is actually doing things to make the game better and more dynamic. As for the delays, you can test a program for weeks and even months if the program is particularly complex and still not find ALL the problems prior to going live.

Here are some simple steps to resolve the issue causing you all to complain (Windows):
1) Click "Start"
2) Click "All Programs"
3) Click "EVE"
4) Click "Uninstall EVE"
5) Close your account via www.eve-online.com

Life's hard, get a helmet!

Fuzzy Bunnie
Posted - 2008.03.14 13:48:00 - [159]
 

You know one thing I don't remember anyone complaining about.. The ammarian crystals won't restack once fitted to a ship. I mean if you happen to end up with a large collection of them and wish to sell them you have to sell one at a time if they were fitted to a ship, this is nuts!

p.s , yes the extra lag is certianly a bit of an issue worth looking into and resolving.

DannyMoe
Caldari
Crytec Enterprises
Posted - 2008.03.14 13:49:00 - [160]
 

the weekend has landed! \o/ wooo \o/

sorry that was off topic.

errm....... moan etc etc

Malicious Manifesto
Posted - 2008.03.14 13:50:00 - [161]
 

PLEASE READ THIS EMAIL AT THE JOB REVIEW OF PERSON IN CHARGE OF EVE's QUALITY CONTROL.

Your **** poor effort has cost us tremendously with the confidence of our customers. Your lazy attitude toward testing and quality control has caused substandard playability, extended server down time,damaged our files and even files of subscriber base. Your inept ability to actually run and test executable files has failed to catch the most obvious and rudimentary flaws. The loss of new subscription revenue due to down time is also of great concern.
-Your raise is hereby denied and consider yourself on notice.
-An economical and viable alternative to your job position is to take your salary and perks and give them to a player called GameNotzi. He assures us before his approval he will take the time to install, run, observe, examine, and try EVE on various computers and operating systems.
He already has accumulated experience in testing our patches. After the famous boot.ini disaster, he actually runs our update on his wifes computer before he will install it on his own.

Thankyou for your time

raystar08
Posted - 2008.03.14 13:50:00 - [162]
 

Originally by: Ancy Denaries
Oh my dear god you are whiny! Shocked Y'all came here from WoW or something? Grow a set and shut up. Geez, you're giving me a headache. It's not like the world is going to end because you miss a few hours of (lol) internet spaceships. Go out, have a drink, chill with your friends IRL (omg! there's an IRL???) or take a walk.

You teenage whiners make either laugh or cry, can't decide.


i agree.
its a fairly nice day on my side. ppl just relax go out and have some fun. go see friends who u probably forgot about for being online so much.
CCP are doing their job and they have accomplished alot more then any other game i play all this years.

Leif gw
Posted - 2008.03.14 13:50:00 - [163]
 

I work in the area of qa and i have to say im really impressed on how bad you manage to **** up every time you release a major patch. You should be paying us money for being your testers not the other way around ccp. You have 1 hour of downtime every day which is for most business systems a dream to actually have down time everyday how do you manage to **** this up and not actually be able to plan your patches to be done in that time ?

You specified that downtime so why dont plan your patches so they can be done in that time otherwise specify that you take down eve every third friday or something or you have so sever memory leaks that you actually have to restart the server every day ?

I love eve so i cant really threaten about leaving cause i see no alternative right now but ccp stop making your customers feel like suckers paying for something we aint getting.

Give us what we are paying for a online game

Craig Crawford
Caldari
Macabre Votum
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2008.03.14 13:51:00 - [164]
 

Edited by: Craig Crawford on 14/03/2008 13:52:04
Originally by: Fuzzy Bunnie
You know one thing I don't remember anyone complaining about.. The ammarian crystals won't restack once fitted to a ship. I mean if you happen to end up with a large collection of them and wish to sell them you have to sell one at a time if they were fitted to a ship, this is nuts!

p.s , yes the extra lag is certianly a bit of an issue worth looking into and resolving.


If you opened your eyes you'd know why they can't be stacked after use. Damage and use.

If you were able to repackage a damaged item, it would repackage into an undamaged item.

Krystren D'ilf
Posted - 2008.03.14 13:54:00 - [165]
 

Suck it up and shut up already.

After reading 6 pages of pure whining (few posts excluded) i have a feeling my head is going to explode ugh
People are trying to fix the game so you might get a more enjoyable experiance, so try being supportive for a change. Sure, we all want our daily fix of EVE, but have some patience for the love of whatever you believe in...

That being said, hope the patching'll be done soon Very Happy

Sebastian Cawdor
inFluX.
Posted - 2008.03.14 13:54:00 - [166]
 

More downtime :( *sigh*

Bill Beckett
Posted - 2008.03.14 13:55:00 - [167]
 

I suspect the code for EvE is just a little less complex than human DNA. Let the experts sift through code line by line if they have to. I want a working game like every one else. And, doesn't anybody read the posts that are up already. You ask the same things over and over. I truly thank CCP for EvE, It has made me upgrade my comp a few times for the better. (just gave me an excuse to do so) Laughing Will be adding a sig soon, I have one on the wall right here -->(points)

Craig Crawford
Caldari
Macabre Votum
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2008.03.14 13:55:00 - [168]
 

Originally by: Leif gw
I work in the area of qa and i have to say im really impressed on how bad you manage to **** up every time you release a major patch. You should be paying us money for being your testers not the other way around ccp. You have 1 hour of downtime every day which is for most business systems a dream to actually have down time everyday how do you manage to **** this up and not actually be able to plan your patches to be done in that time ?

You specified that downtime so why dont plan your patches so they can be done in that time otherwise specify that you take down eve every third friday or something or you have so sever memory leaks that you actually have to restart the server every day ?

I love eve so i cant really threaten about leaving cause i see no alternative right now but ccp stop making your customers feel like suckers paying for something we aint getting.

Give us what we are paying for a online game


BAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW Crying or Very sad

raystar08
Posted - 2008.03.14 13:55:00 - [169]
 

Originally by: Sebastian Cawdor
More downtime :( *sigh*

yes more downtime. servers are starting in 8 minutes so no biggy. Wink

DannyMoe
Caldari
Crytec Enterprises
Posted - 2008.03.14 13:56:00 - [170]
 

Originally by: Krystren D'ilf
Suck it up and shut up already.

After reading 6 pages of pure whining (few posts excluded) i have a feeling my head is going to explode ugh
People are trying to fix the game so you might get a more enjoyable experiance, so try being supportive for a change. Sure, we all want our daily fix of EVE, but have some patience for the love of whatever you believe in...

That being said, hope the patching'll be done soon Very Happy
you acctualy read all 6 pages? :) if i wanted to hear that much moaning id tell the gf im going out with the lads tonight Laughing

Dumarest G
Posted - 2008.03.14 13:56:00 - [171]
 

All those negative reactions...
Why do I have no problems with the functionality of EVE?
My ALT + Tab works perfectly, I don't have problems with screen resolutions or item bugs or what so ever. Neutral

Does some people realise what it is to work on an on-line game of this size ?!
My opinion: CCP is doing all they can, and I appreciate it.

I wonder what all those people think about Windows Vista... YARRRR!!
Bug free ??? Virus safe ???

So please, just let them do there jobs! They're doing it very well for the past 8 years!

Tafkas Zarathustra
Caldari
Posted - 2008.03.14 13:56:00 - [172]
 

OMFG... people... if you're living off scraps of food, unemployed, about to be fired, evicted from your home... for the God's sake, stop playing games, get off your arse and find a solution to your r/l issues. Because playing EVE for sure isn't going to solve them.

Seriously, quiting EVE now would be the best thing that can happen to you.

Ancy Denaries
Posted - 2008.03.14 13:57:00 - [173]
 

Originally by: Krystren D'ilf
Suck it up and shut up already.

After reading 6 pages of pure whining (few posts excluded) i have a feeling my head is going to explode ugh
People are trying to fix the game so you might get a more enjoyable experiance, so try being supportive for a change. Sure, we all want our daily fix of EVE, but have some patience for the love of whatever you believe in...

That being said, hope the patching'll be done soon Very Happy


Amen to that!

Krystren D'ilf
Posted - 2008.03.14 13:59:00 - [174]
 

Originally by: DannyMoe
Originally by: Krystren D'ilf
Suck it up and shut up already.

After reading 6 pages of pure whining (few posts excluded) i have a feeling my head is going to explode ugh
People are trying to fix the game so you might get a more enjoyable experiance, so try being supportive for a change. Sure, we all want our daily fix of EVE, but have some patience for the love of whatever you believe in...

That being said, hope the patching'll be done soon Very Happy
you acctualy read all 6 pages? :) if i wanted to hear that much moaning id tell the gf im going out with the lads tonight Laughing


Ok, i lied, i read 7x% in hope of finding out something useful. Noone could take all 100% of that crap :D

Rejari
Caldari
Kung Fu Roguer
Initiative Mercenaries
Posted - 2008.03.14 13:59:00 - [175]
 

After this fiasco, Im about ready to leave EVE for anything.

Anyone else feel this way?

Feel free to sign. Signing means that CCP needs to clean house and get their **** in order.

/Signed Rejari

Tossed Out
Posted - 2008.03.14 13:59:00 - [176]
 

If you were able to repackage a damaged item, it would repackage into an undamaged item.

Actually, if you were able to repackage a damaged item it would not be able to be unpacked ever.

Flashheart
Caldari
Dangermouse Inc.
Posted - 2008.03.14 14:02:00 - [177]
 

Well at least my machine still boots up after this patch..

Just think, this is actually an improvement over the last one Sad


KeeganDoomFire
Posted - 2008.03.14 14:03:00 - [178]
 

Edited by: KeeganDoomFire on 14/03/2008 14:42:27
For those about to continue there complaining look at ur client the sever is coming back online in 2 min

also i had only one problem before the patch and that is the tut wouldn't tell me a place to go (deadspace complex... 5 min into the game where the hell is this, how do i move) i ended up having a friend teach me.

also i had no problems after the patch

// NVM the server is under the knife for another hour until 10, wait it is 10?

Craig Crawford
Caldari
Macabre Votum
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2008.03.14 14:03:00 - [179]
 

Originally by: Tossed Out
If you were able to repackage a damaged item, it would repackage into an undamaged item.

Actually, if you were able to repackage a damaged item it would not be able to be unpacked ever.


Actually, when you repackage an item, the server removes the item you're repackaging and awards you with the packaged version of the item.

Krystren D'ilf
Posted - 2008.03.14 14:03:00 - [180]
 

Originally by: Rejari
After this fiasco, Im about ready to leave EVE for anything.

Anyone else feel this way?

Feel free to sign. Signing means that CCP needs to clean house and get their **** in order.

/Signed Rejari



Can I have your ISKies and shipz please? Hulk purchase bled me dry Laughing


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