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Kal'Kalagan
Fairlight Corp
Rooks and Kings
Posted - 2008.03.14 09:23:00 - [31]
 

CCP - Please can you fix it so that you can see interdiction sphere bubbles with the effect turned off! With all pilots having to turn on effects to see these now FPS gores down and lag goes up :(

Also if you held down the alt key you used to be able to see moons on your screen. This feature has now been removed - was this intentional, either way can it be re-added please.

Anathema Matou
Moonmaiden Ltd.
Avateas Blessed
Posted - 2008.03.14 09:24:00 - [32]
 

Will this fix the passive shield hardeners (resistance amplifiers) ?

Farina Larros
The Exploited.
Nulli Secunda
Posted - 2008.03.14 09:25:00 - [33]
 

I'm in the middle of the New Frontiers mission - All the briefings are corrupt. Is this a known problem, becuase it's not a rookie mission, it's level 3.

In addition, Alt-Tabbing between 2 accounts doens't always work.

Thanks
FL

Baron Erique
Paxton Industries
Paxton Federation
Posted - 2008.03.14 09:44:00 - [34]
 

Originally by: Joachim LeHigh
Edited by: Joachim LeHigh on 14/03/2008 07:59:10
Yanno, alot of you are ungrateful twerps. CCP Fixed alot of the issues people like you were whining about before this patch - i.e. the items and ships tabs going blank, balance issues with certain ships, etc. Things that now work great. But like a bunch of spoiled children, you don't take the few extra seconds it takes to re-arrange your UI when you dock and instead decide to ***** about it.

Grow up and learn how to show gratitude and exercise some patience people.


For me, the UI bug doesn't just happen when (un)docking. It happens everytime I close a window. Use my wallet, windows jumble. Use the market, windows jumble. Change a skill, windows jumble. Scanner, jumble. Bookmarks/addressbook, jumble. Are you getting the picture? Those "few extra seconds" really add up when you're rearranging your UI about once a minute.

In addition, my overview reverts back to the profile I was using the last time I logged off before the patch...which, unluckily, was one that shows only stations and players whom I set to low standings.

Finally, I still have the crazy clock bug. I've already crashed several times due to that one, and I've only been online a couple ours since the patch.

The only issue that affected me that I think is actually fixed (at least I haven't crashed to desktop yet) is the Show Info bug. The other ones are still there, plus now there are new ones. I will not show gratitude for a patch that did not change how (un)playable the game is for me.

Fellfresse
Posted - 2008.03.14 10:21:00 - [35]
 

would be nice to get the 1152x864 resolution back.
i cannot see any sense nor reason to buy a new monitor
for this issue. btw, this change wasn't written in the
patchnotes. at last i would ask for the "jumping"
overview-bugfix.

best regards and i apologize for any inconvenience caused^^
fell~

belacoise
Posted - 2008.03.14 10:24:00 - [36]
 

Originally by: 3rr0rc0d3
Originally by: Joachim LeHigh
Edited by: Joachim LeHigh on 14/03/2008 07:59:10Grow up and learn how to show gratitude and exercise some patience people.


I agree, people seem to forget that the folks at CCP worked for almost 24 hours straight to get this boost patch onto the servers, while all some of you are doing is whining...
But yes, there are bugs. Yes, this is normal. And yes, it will get fixed.
Now go out and enjoy real life for a few hours!

Rramar Claime
Amarr
Knights of Kador
The Black Armada
Posted - 2008.03.14 10:25:00 - [37]
 

Originally by: Joachim LeHigh
Edited by: Joachim LeHigh on 14/03/2008 07:59:10
Yanno, alot of you are ungrateful twerps. CCP Fixed alot of the issues people like you were whining about before this patch - i.e. the items and ships tabs going blank, balance issues with certain ships, etc. Things that now work great. But like a bunch of spoiled children, you don't take the few extra seconds it takes to re-arrange your UI when you dock and instead decide to ***** about it.

Grow up and learn how to show gratitude and exercise some patience people.


Shocked

Everybody wants a customer like you mate...
Please note that people try to tell CCP about still existing problems here cause of the fix coming up soon. What did you expect? There are other topics to praise CCP (which it may or may not earned) and theres absolutely no need for you to come here and diss people for simply using the topic.
brgrds

Heafstagg
Posted - 2008.03.14 10:31:00 - [38]
 

SadWhile i agree that they might have worked for 24 hrs to get the patch running, the real thing is if it was tested properly there should not be a hot fix to correct the problems the patch caused. Inadequate testing causes problems like this.
Some people can not get out due to physical problems and have friends they only can communicate with online during the game play. Maybe they have a real life playing the game and talking with friends.

Originally by: 3rr0rc0d3
Originally by: Joachim LeHigh
Edited by: Joachim LeHigh on 14/03/2008 07:59:10Grow up and learn how to show gratitude and exercise some patience people.


I agree, people seem to forget that the folks at CCP worked for almost 24 hours straight to get this boost patch onto the servers, while all some of you are doing is whining...
But yes, there are bugs. Yes, this is normal. And yes, it will get fixed.
Now go out and enjoy real life for a few hours!

Lindsay Fox
Blue Midget Corporation
Posted - 2008.03.14 10:43:00 - [39]
 

Screw all the other whiners, I have zero issues apart from one. Boot up the freaking API server!

Fevarin
Posted - 2008.03.14 10:43:00 - [40]
 

Originally by: 3rr0rc0d3
Originally by: Joachim LeHigh
Edited by: Joachim LeHigh on 14/03/2008 07:59:10Grow up and learn how to show gratitude and exercise some patience people.


I disagree. Bugs are not normal, bugs are faults. Even more so for MAJOR bugs which either haven't been there before or creeped back with the patch again. Fixing one thing while breaking another is as bad as not doing anything.

I agree with the views of some people in the original patch thread, saying that CCP should work hard on improving their testing and quality assurance process. There are surely mutiple ways that I'm not going to try to name here as I'm not a software expert. It's just a matter of how good your methods are and how many resources you put in. However as long as CCP are not penalized for creating this kind of mess and subsequent lost playtime/in-game assets/frustration for many people, they will not be pushed to improve on it.

I don't understand people who are defending CCP in their inability to deliver a working product to us, the paying customers. This is not a charity game, nor a freeware product created by a bunch of enthusiasts in their free time. CCP is a business company like any other. Customers have the right to expect high quality product delivered to them. CCP should not expect the customers to fix the issues for them (by telling them what they screwed up, basically).

Don't get me wrong, I have great respect for what CCP have accomplished with EVE, and I'm not saying it's an easy thing to develop as it grows ever more complex. I also value the relationship they have established with their customers in joint development of this great game. But that's not an excuse for repeatedly failing on the same thing. CCP should do whatever they need to do to improve on the quality side of their patches, even if it means increased cost and customers bearing that cost if the need be. Otherwise with ever growing complexity and player base this problem will only become bigger, not smaller.

Tetractys
Masterminds Industries
United Front Alliance
Posted - 2008.03.14 10:44:00 - [41]
 

Edited by: Tetractys on 14/03/2008 10:48:06
Originally by: Joachim LeHigh
Edited by: Joachim LeHigh on 14/03/2008 07:59:10
Yanno, alot of you are ungrateful twerps. CCP Fixed alot of the issues people like you were whining about before this patch - i.e. the items and ships tabs going blank, balance issues with certain ships, etc. Things that now work great. But like a bunch of spoiled children, you don't take the few extra seconds it takes to re-arrange your UI when you dock and instead decide to ***** about it.

Grow up and learn how to show gratitude and exercise some patience people.


/signed

No issues at all atm. (on my neat and monitored XP installation).

Stealthy
Imperial Guardians
Blazing Angels Alliance
Posted - 2008.03.14 10:44:00 - [42]
 

i NOW remember why all but the kitchen sink patches suck ass

Ab Tallen
The Alphabet Soup
Posted - 2008.03.14 10:47:00 - [43]
 

Originally by: Fellfresse
would be nice to get the 1152x864 resolution back.

Try setting your desktop resolution to 1152x864. I don't have the link to the dev post at hand, but one of them wrote that the desktop rez will always be added back to the list of available screen modes.

danedral
Posted - 2008.03.14 10:47:00 - [44]
 

Edited by: danedral on 14/03/2008 10:52:24
I also have problems like:
- dual client random crashes (happened 5-6 time yesterday),
- overview always reseting to some not saved settings when you dock and undock,
- client crashing when quiting eve,
Thats all that i noticed.

edit: Evemon can't access info from server = little burden for ppl like me that have 3 or more chars.

Tux Turner
Posted - 2008.03.14 10:57:00 - [45]
 

CCP Still hasn't learned anything! Another extended downtime a day after the troubled booster patch and now their rushing to fix problems. I won't be surprised if something else breaks during the process. C'mon CCP put some QA process in because there isn't any despite what ever they're saying.

GS Armada
Caldari
Dark-Rising
Posted - 2008.03.14 11:05:00 - [46]
 

Originally by: Joachim LeHigh
Edited by: Joachim LeHigh on 14/03/2008 07:59:10
Yanno, alot of you are ungrateful twerps. CCP Fixed alot of the issues people like you were whining about before this patch - i.e. the items and ships tabs going blank, balance issues with certain ships, etc. Things that now work great. But like a bunch of spoiled children, you don't take the few extra seconds it takes to re-arrange your UI when you dock and instead decide to ***** about it.

Grow up and learn how to show gratitude and exercise some patience people.



i totaly agree whith him. I have no problems with the boost patch no fram rate drop no stacked UI only the alt+tab is slower then normal but no crashes. but since then new patch i do get conectiom time out on our alliance ts server but is not ccp's problem i go bug the ceo for that. Good Work CCP

princess katie
Posted - 2008.03.14 11:07:00 - [47]
 

There also seems to be a problem now in changing screens,( takes a while to change/hangs and freezes and even crashes with an ccp erro message) to my alts account. I also keep getting a ccp error message of a runtime error.

These problem have only just started after the new patch.

count sporkula
Posted - 2008.03.14 11:14:00 - [48]
 

Edited by: count sporkula on 14/03/2008 11:15:18
Originally by: Heafstagg
SadWhile i agree that they might have worked for 24 hrs to get the patch running, the real thing is if it was tested properly there should not be a hot fix to correct the problems the patch caused. Inadequate testing causes problems like this.
Some people can not get out due to physical problems and have friends they only can communicate with online during the game play. Maybe they have a real life playing the game and talking with friends.


unfortunately, my fried there are some bugs that only show up when the system is put under stress. eve's server side software is incredibly complex and that means that until it hits mainstream there WILL be issues that the devs cannot foresee. while i don't like the DT myself, i do understand the problems brought on by putting changes in such a software. unlike some other MMO's at least the eve dev team seems to care about the software and the community's reaction to it.

Don't worry, be happy.

malet
FinFleet
Raiden.
Posted - 2008.03.14 11:21:00 - [49]
 

Originally by: Joachim LeHigh
Edited by: Joachim LeHigh on 14/03/2008 07:59:10
Yanno, alot of you are ungrateful twerps. CCP Fixed alot of the issues people like you were whining about before this patch - i.e. the items and ships tabs going blank, balance issues with certain ships, etc. Things that now work great. But like a bunch of spoiled children, you don't take the few extra seconds it takes to re-arrange your UI when you dock and instead decide to ***** about it.

Grow up and learn how to show gratitude and exercise some patience people.


How do you figure that. This week so far we have paid for 5 days gametime. So far we have recieved 2 and a half. Yes things go wrong sometimes, agreed!. however what annoys me is they delayed the boot patch a day for further testing and then completely screwed it up.As a customer the service is poor. They would do better stop adding silly welcome page windows to the game and fix the core problems they have with it. I would rather have a game that is playable rather than one that looks nice but is unplayable

Thats another 3 hours of our money gone!

Sebasv
Posted - 2008.03.14 11:24:00 - [50]
 

Edited by: Sebasv on 14/03/2008 11:27:45
Those patches are so not ok for us players, we are all paying well & we are paying for mistakes made by ccp with our own money.

I cant Imagine to that my clients would pay me for my mistakes by just my faulth.

CCP should at least extend GTC for one day to everyone with every patch like that, because we cant play at that time at all.

I would be nice to do something in exchange for us players.

Mike'P
Posted - 2008.03.14 11:29:00 - [51]
 

I hope they put a 'SORT name ASC' back into the SQL query for the market quickbar. ie, please put the market quickbar back into alphabetical order ASAP! There's lots of people complaining about the overview problems and the ALT key, but please don't forget about the traders.... and that quickbar sort must be a simple thing to quickly fix, no ???

Quick fix for CCP, major time saver for a lot of traders...

Kerfira
Kerfira Corp
Posted - 2008.03.14 11:30:00 - [52]
 

Edited by: Kerfira on 14/03/2008 11:30:26
Originally by: CCP Mitnal
Tranquility will be undergoing a hotfix from 1100-1400 on Friday, March 14 so we can resolve issues arising from the deployment of the Trinity 1.1 booster patch.

As reported in our earlier News Item new player missions have been disabled for 24 hours and this hotfix will eliminate the issues with them. We will also be fixing the problem with Civilian Codebreaker/Analyzers and Archaeology.

WTF!!!

You have a whole thread full of serious errors to fix, and you choose THESE?????

* Multiple clients not working
* Client memory leaks
* BSOD's
* UI windows moving randomly (sometimes off window edge)
* Disappearing icons from overview and space view
* Drastic client CPU usage increase
* Drastic FPS decrease
* Numerous graphics glitches
... etc.

So lots of really serious issues, and you choose to focus on new missions and civilian modules???
The person who does your prioritising should stop drinking.....

JCache
Caldari
Posted - 2008.03.14 11:30:00 - [53]
 

Originally by: Joachim LeHigh
Edited by: Joachim LeHigh on 14/03/2008 07:59:10
Yanno, alot of you are ungrateful twerps. CCP Fixed alot of the issues people like you were whining about before this patch - i.e. the items and ships tabs going blank, balance issues with certain ships, etc. Things that now work great. But like a bunch of spoiled children, you don't take the few extra seconds it takes to re-arrange your UI when you dock and instead decide to ***** about it.

Grow up and learn how to show gratitude and exercise some patience people.

Ungrateful? CCP should be grateful that there are still a lot of people complaining instead of moving on to another game. People are complaining because they still care about this game. The moment the customers stop to care these guys will become unemployed.
They messed up big time even though they took a extra day to "test" the patch... and a lot of bugs are almost impossible to miss. You can mess up as much as you like, but if you actually deploy something like this patch, you and everyone who approved the deployment would get canned in every other company.

Dr O'Mara
North Star Networks
Posted - 2008.03.14 11:32:00 - [54]
 

I just cannot understand you guys. Really!!!

(Almost) none of us could ever afford error free software. Thats NASA quality, testing cost about 10-50 times development.

I think EVE has a good balance. We get new feature for decent cost. They really put an effort in when we have problems.

I am sure they could give away extra days on payment when they have issues, but i am just as sure that they then would have to up the monthly cost to cover it. It's the same money you know.

So lets support their work instead of whining like we're all 7-yearolds with no understanding of cost/benefit.

/Dr

Tayla Amagan
Posted - 2008.03.14 11:35:00 - [55]
 

Edited by: Tayla Amagan on 14/03/2008 11:36:38
Most of the problems I agree need sorted.

The fact CCP are working their assess off I also agree with.

The fact that this patch should have been tested more accurately, I agree with.

The fact we have only had 2.5 days of played time I agree with.

List goes on....

BUT.... Much better service than Blizzard! Blizzard suck **** all the time...can't get anything right and don't really listen to players. CCP DO LISTEN to the players, despite the fact sometime it takes them a while to fix them (or screw things up in the process).

Once again - BLIZZARD SUCK.


EDIT: Fix API pleaseeee....Very Happy

1337tong
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
Posted - 2008.03.14 11:44:00 - [56]
 

Originally by: CCP Mitnal
Tranquility will be undergoing a hotfix from 1100-1400 on Friday, March 14 so we can resolve issues arising from the deployment of the Trinity 1.1 booster patch.


missions hotfix? what bout the games stability fix Evil or Very Mad

you have people crashing left right and center and you prioritise some missions Shocked

Emetic Smile
Posted - 2008.03.14 11:45:00 - [57]
 

Edited by: Emetic Smile on 14/03/2008 11:48:42
Edited by: Emetic Smile on 14/03/2008 11:47:49
Edited by: Emetic Smile on 14/03/2008 11:46:26
Players should never be reimbursed for lost game time due to patches and the like as lets face it they ARE free unlike for some other games. In the main, of course arguably for some (what is or is not a "nerf" is a seperate issue) they are an improvement to our game experience.

However, what the players should really somehow be reimbursed for is "paying" themselves in "lost" gametime for the whole shoddy QA experince.
Patches should be deployed when ready, never before. I am sure I am not the only one whos heart sank when seing the "delayed by 24 hours for further testing" message. If you have to be testing something that late in the day then there IS something wrong and someone should have bit the bullet and said delay indefinately until certainty of issue free deployment is achieved.

I understand the whole complexity of rewriting millions of lines of code, I also get the fact that there is a test server where these things are well - tested...

CCP cannot even hide behind a commentary of well it's an unusal occurance, becauswe it isn't - its every time!

Its obvious that many of the issues were not picked up but what is not obvious is - why not?

This isnt a post written in anger or irritation just plain disapointment.

CCP you let yourselves down :(

Edited for spelling (also didnt notice I was posting as an alt - kafiend is my main).

Commander Garrik
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2008.03.14 11:46:00 - [58]
 

Edited by: Commander Garrik on 14/03/2008 11:47:02
I agree that ccp does a fantastic job, much better than blizzard.
CCP actually listens to our problems, though they may not always be able to reply to them on the forum

eRa5oR
Posted - 2008.03.14 11:48:00 - [59]
 

It would be nice to have a fix/boost that does what it says for once, actualy fix something and not break other things and bost items not nerf at the same time.

When I speak of nerf in this latest bost im talking about the change in compound drops, they have increased the mexalon by adding it to a compound, but they have also half that same compunds megacyte drop which is the only real compound to give megacyte.

Ok this may even out the market a little for the isk makers but will sure make it hard for builders.

But anyway lets see if we get a working client first eh?

Daevalus Tirisfall
Amarr
Posted - 2008.03.14 11:50:00 - [60]
 

Edited by: Daevalus Tirisfall on 14/03/2008 11:55:00


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