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Hrin
Minmatar
Merch Industrial
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2008.03.10 18:09:00 - [151]
 

Edited by: Hrin on 10/03/2008 18:10:31
Goonswarm deals with and fights under conditions that no other entity in eve has (or will again). We're facing an enemy with 4 titans, cynojammers, and an extensive jumpbridge network.

If you remove any one of those factors and things change drastically, but they are all there. Nobody in Eve has fought this kind of war. Why are you idiots surprised that under these circumstances we find unbalanced and unintended game mechanics?

How many consecutive DDs does CCP intend? What kind of cynojammer killing fleet should you bring to fight off a hostile fleet, weather the deathstar, tank DDs, and deal with fighters under the omnipresent lag?

Should isk guarantee victory in Eve?

maralt
Minmatar
The seers of truth
Posted - 2008.03.10 18:14:00 - [152]
 

Edited by: maralt on 10/03/2008 18:16:20
Originally by: Hrin
Goonswarm deals with and fights under conditions that no other entity in eve has (or will again). We're facing an enemy with 4 titans, cynojammers, and an extensive jumpbridge network.




WTF are you talking about "(or will again)" Laughing plenty of large alliance's in EVE now have multiple titans, jammers and jump bridges ffs.

Stop whining and use that claimed 0.0 warfare expertise, logistic greatness and uber diplo skills you have bragged about for the last 12 months to deal with them.


Nlewis
Caldari
Nomad LLP
Wayfarer Stellar Initiative
Posted - 2008.03.10 18:19:00 - [153]
 

Originally by: maralt
Edited by: maralt on 10/03/2008 18:16:20
Originally by: Hrin
Goonswarm deals with and fights under conditions that no other entity in eve has (or will again). We're facing an enemy with 4 titans, cynojammers, and an extensive jumpbridge network.




WTF are you talking about "(or will again)" Laughing plenty of large alliance's in EVE now have multiple titans, jammers and jump bridges ffs.

Stop whining and use that claimed 0.0 warfare expertise, logistic greatness and uber diplo skills you have bragged about for the last 12 months to deal with them.





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you are dumb and should learn something called context. He's talking about before the inevitable nerf to cynojammers

Hrin
Minmatar
Merch Industrial
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2008.03.10 18:19:00 - [154]
 

Edited by: Hrin on 10/03/2008 18:19:56
Originally by: maralt
Edited by: maralt on 10/03/2008 18:16:20
Originally by: Hrin
Goonswarm deals with and fights under conditions that no other entity in eve has (or will again). We're facing an enemy with 4 titans, cynojammers, and an extensive jumpbridge network.




WTF are you talking about "(or will again)" Laughing plenty of large alliance's in EVE now have multiple titans, jammers and jump bridges ffs.

Stop whining and use that claimed 0.0 warfare expertise, logistic greatness and uber diplo skills you have bragged about for the last 12 months to deal with them.




you're pretty dumb. CCP has already stated that they will be nerfing cynojammers


edit: ARG! EFB!

Sentinel Eeex
Caldari
Thunderwaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2008.03.10 18:20:00 - [155]
 

Originally by: smitor
if you look beyond the tags under every name and just focus on the actual situation you will have the core problem with jammers, pos, deathstars and supercaps right at hand.

There is a balance issue when it comes to investing isk. A Defender who invested huge amounts of isk into a) getting a system sov up by placing and mainting pos b) dropping atleast 250-400 bln isk in 4 well fit titans (bpos included) c) dropping another 200-300 bln isk in 10 well fit motherships (bpos included) d) invested a few billion isk in pos fuel e) invested in a station 22 bln isk f) invested in a fleet of 50 dreads and 50 carriers billing total 200 bln isk ? is able to defend with about 200 active ppl a region from 600 ppl trying to disable the cyno jammer flying t2 fitted battleships/logistics.



Attacker who...

a) wants to attack sov system
b) dropped at least >500 bln ISK in X well fit Titans (BPOs included)
c) dropped another 400-500 bln into 20 well fit motherships (BPOs included)
d) invested a few billion ISK in isotopes to get into defender's systems (and let's add fuel for POSes that attackers are running now)
e) didn't invest anything in station, because they want to take it (investing in station gives you ****all advantage in defending - POSes and ships do)
f) invested in fleet of 100 dreads and 100 carriers billing total of gazillion ISK

...isn't able to actually attack a system, because defender can jumpbridge his whole capital fleet through jumpbridge modules that magically bring capitals (that require a cyno field to jump to) into a system with cynojammer (which prevents cyno fields from being generated).

I can imagine a logistics nightmare ("Hey guys, where do we keep Liquid Ozone? Ah, thanks.") involved in jumping capital fleet from J-L to F-T via jumpbridge, for example.

Must be horrible.

Athena Attom
Gallente
Federation of Freedom Fighters
AAA Citizens
Posted - 2008.03.10 18:23:00 - [156]
 

There is about 5 easy counters that I can think of for the cyno jammer. If you cant think of ways to get in without titans already being there then thats your own fault.

If you dont prepare and do the same old attack sure its going to get beaten. Your numbers are down because cyno jammer attacks result in your fleet being slaughtered because you wolnt open the box and RR BS's are your only counter, attack the jammer off peak hours, attack it with such a force its down in 5 minutes.

Tonnes of things, you managed easily in NOL- to take down the jammer at a pos and then proceed to reinforce every pos in system and the RSF jumped in something like 60-70 capitals. How can you claim these need a nerf when your able to take it down and then get the necessary ships in to kill the towers inside system? Stop blaming your failure on the game rather than your commitment to taking the systems.

Hrin
Minmatar
Merch Industrial
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2008.03.10 18:27:00 - [157]
 

Originally by: Athena Attom
There is about 5 easy counters that I can think of for the cyno jammer. If you cant think of ways to get in without titans already being there then thats your own fault.

If you dont prepare and do the same old attack sure its going to get beaten. Your numbers are down because cyno jammer attacks result in your fleet being slaughtered because you wolnt open the box and RR BS's are your only counter, attack the jammer off peak hours, attack it with such a force its down in 5 minutes.

Tonnes of things, you managed easily in NOL- to take down the jammer at a pos and then proceed to reinforce every pos in system and the RSF jumped in something like 60-70 capitals. How can you claim these need a nerf when your able to take it down and then get the necessary ships in to kill the towers inside system? Stop blaming your failure on the game rather than your commitment to taking the systems.


Oh hey guys I have all these ideas about solving your problems, but I won't tell you because that would be helping the enemy, but you should trust me anyway cuz i so smart and better than you.

But anyway, let me make up things while ignoring any special circumstances that may have existed in the past. Also, I will ignore lol spies and other obvious counter-counters because it suites me at this time.

Nlewis
Caldari
Nomad LLP
Wayfarer Stellar Initiative
Posted - 2008.03.10 18:28:00 - [158]
 

5 counters? well if you mean 5 different gates in system then sure

Goca
Minmatar
KAOS.
Imperial Republic Of the North
Posted - 2008.03.10 18:29:00 - [159]
 

Originally by: Desiderata Fabian


Also "I have spent more money than you ergo I should win" is not the kind of thing eve grabs me as being about.


Neither is it, "if you can bring more numbers, (even with inferior ships) you should win"

maralt
Minmatar
The seers of truth
Posted - 2008.03.10 18:34:00 - [160]
 

Edited by: maralt on 10/03/2008 18:38:13
Originally by: Nlewis
Originally by: maralt

Originally by: Hrin
Goonswarm deals with and fights under conditions that no other entity in eve has (or will again). We're facing an enemy with 4 titans, cynojammers, and an extensive jumpbridge network.




WTF are you talking about "(or will again)" Laughing plenty of large alliance's in EVE now have multiple titans, jammers and jump bridges ffs.

Stop whining and use that claimed 0.0 warfare expertise, logistic greatness and uber diplo skills you have bragged about for the last 12 months to deal with them.






He's talking about before the inevitable nerf to cynojammers


So am i.

Look who is dumb nowLaughingLaughingLaughingLaughingLaughingLaughingLaughingLaughingLaughingLaughingLaughingLaughingLaughingLaughingLaughing

Or are you saying that the wars in eve are gonna pause until you get your latest nerf?.

Lord Bedard
Amarr
Igneus Auctorita
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2008.03.10 18:35:00 - [161]
 

The real solution is to move [any alliance with enough isk] into Jove space so no one can even jump a BS fleet into their system to take down their cyno jammer, and they can sit in Jove space flying thier giant space ***** titans while talking about how they just want "good fights".

Athena Attom
Gallente
Federation of Freedom Fighters
AAA Citizens
Posted - 2008.03.10 18:37:00 - [162]
 

You'll find out exactly how when we re-take qy6. I am sorry your leadership cant think of things, and there for the game mechanics must change if goonswarm cant succeed correct?

And the only reason you have been unable to take down the cyno jammers since NOL- is due to your horrible participation you should probably log into eve if you want the cyno jammers to go down. Rather than turning up with a 50 man gang and crying about titans and cyno jammers.

Desiderata Fabian
Minmatar
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2008.03.10 18:37:00 - [163]
 

Edited by: Desiderata Fabian on 10/03/2008 18:38:03
Originally by: Desiderata Fabian


Having invested alot of money in the defence, the attacker is than not allowed to invest that amount of money on the attack, because of the cynojammer. Your argument is one for an unbreakable defence, and in the light of the steady power creep and isk inflation in this game one that eventualy everyone will be able to employ.



Originally by: Goca
Originally by: Desiderata Fabian


Also "I have spent more money than you ergo I should win" is not the kind of thing eve grabs me as being about.


Neither is it, "if you can bring more numbers, (even with inferior ships) you should win"



Yeah the system is cynojamed, a massive fleet of BS are the only thing you can get into it, that was what we are talking about. But you know that because you read the part of my post that you deleted, right?

Sentinel Eeex
Caldari
Thunderwaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2008.03.10 18:39:00 - [164]
 

Originally by: Athena Attom

If you dont prepare and do the same old attack sure its going to get beaten. Your numbers are down because cyno jammer attacks result in your fleet being slaughtered because you wolnt open the box and RR BS's are your only counter, attack the jammer off peak hours, attack it with such a force its down in 5 minutes.



"Guys, let's gather a big fleet and take out their cynojammer - but noone can know about it, sssshhhhhhh!"

We tried it few times. But noone showed up. Go figure.

Athena Attom
Gallente
Federation of Freedom Fighters
AAA Citizens
Posted - 2008.03.10 18:42:00 - [165]
 

Originally by: Sentinel Eeex
Originally by: Athena Attom

If you dont prepare and do the same old attack sure its going to get beaten. Your numbers are down because cyno jammer attacks result in your fleet being slaughtered because you wolnt open the box and RR BS's are your only counter, attack the jammer off peak hours, attack it with such a force its down in 5 minutes.



"Guys, let's gather a big fleet and take out their cynojammer - but noone can know about it, sssshhhhhhh!"

We tried it few times. But noone showed up. Go figure.


Ummm you took down NOL- jammer by pretending to go for the J-L one then burning to pr- why not try the same thing?

Dyson
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2008.03.10 18:44:00 - [166]
 

Edited by: Dyson on 10/03/2008 18:50:33
Edited by: Dyson on 10/03/2008 18:48:02
Originally by: Athena Attom
You'll find out exactly how when we re-take qy6. I am sorry your leadership cant think of things, and there for the game mechanics must change if goonswarm cant succeed correct?

And the only reason you have been unable to take down the cyno jammers since NOL- is due to your horrible participation you should probably log into eve if you want the cyno jammers to go down. Rather than turning up with a 50 man gang and crying about titans and cyno jammers.


If we show up with a 200 man fleet they will get doomsdayed by your titans and picked off by the pos guns in the resulting slideshow. If we bring 400 the node will probably quit.

Quote:
Ummm you took down NOL- jammer by pretending to go for the J-L one then burning to pr- why not try the same thing?


That's because your higher ups are starting to realize that all they need is a Titan. And counter intel only works so many times before you start working with a flexible fleet deployment structure relying on intel on where we are going to tell you where we intend to strike instead of where we say we are going.

Nlewis
Caldari
Nomad LLP
Wayfarer Stellar Initiative
Posted - 2008.03.10 18:44:00 - [167]
 

Originally by: maralt
Edited by: maralt on 10/03/2008 18:38:13
Originally by: Nlewis
Originally by: maralt

Originally by: Hrin
Goonswarm deals with and fights under conditions that no other entity in eve has (or will again). We're facing an enemy with 4 titans, cynojammers, and an extensive jumpbridge network.




WTF are you talking about "(or will again)" Laughing plenty of large alliance's in EVE now have multiple titans, jammers and jump bridges ffs.

Stop whining and use that claimed 0.0 warfare expertise, logistic greatness and uber diplo skills you have bragged about for the last 12 months to deal with them.






He's talking about before the inevitable nerf to cynojammers


So am i.

Look who is dumb nowLaughingLaughingLaughingLaughingLaughingLaughingLaughingLaughingLaughingLaughingLaughingLaughingLaughingLaughingLaughing

Or are you saying that the wars in eve are gonna pause until you get your latest nerf?.


so then either you make no sense or you are just trolling yourself?

QUN Cyno
Caldari
Igneus Auctorita
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2008.03.10 18:44:00 - [168]
 

Originally by: Athena Attom
Originally by: Sentinel Eeex
Originally by: Athena Attom

If you dont prepare and do the same old attack sure its going to get beaten. Your numbers are down because cyno jammer attacks result in your fleet being slaughtered because you wolnt open the box and RR BS's are your only counter, attack the jammer off peak hours, attack it with such a force its down in 5 minutes.



"Guys, let's gather a big fleet and take out their cynojammer - but noone can know about it, sssshhhhhhh!"

We tried it few times. But noone showed up. Go figure.


Ummm you took down NOL- jammer by pretending to go for the J-L one then burning to pr- why not try the same thing?


Well lets see you can just bridge your waiting titans from one system to another in minutes.

Sentinel Eeex
Caldari
Thunderwaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2008.03.10 18:45:00 - [169]
 

Originally by: Athena Attom
Originally by: Sentinel Eeex
Originally by: Athena Attom

If you dont prepare and do the same old attack sure its going to get beaten. Your numbers are down because cyno jammer attacks result in your fleet being slaughtered because you wolnt open the box and RR BS's are your only counter, attack the jammer off peak hours, attack it with such a force its down in 5 minutes.



"Guys, let's gather a big fleet and take out their cynojammer - but noone can know about it, sssshhhhhhh!"

We tried it few times. But noone showed up. Go figure.


Ummm you took down NOL- jammer by pretending to go for the J-L one then burning to pr- why not try the same thing?


Your tactical brilliance leads me to beleive that you are, in fact, Yaay himself Shocked

Dangerously Cheesey
Gallente
Black Omega Security
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2008.03.10 18:45:00 - [170]
 

The biggest issue in my mind is not taking down the cyno jammer, but the ease with which it is replaced. It would be one thing if incaping a cyno jammer and then reinforcing the tower it was at kept the system un-cynojammed until the tower was out of reinforced. Currently, however, you have a short window some 30 minutes or so long before the enemy simply destroys their own incaped cynojammer and anchors a new one. That just doesn't make any sense.

maralt
Minmatar
The seers of truth
Posted - 2008.03.10 18:47:00 - [171]
 

Originally by: Dangerously Cheesey
The biggest issue in my mind is not taking down the cyno jammer, but the ease with which it is replaced. It would be one thing if incaping a cyno jammer and then reinforcing the tower it was at kept the system un-cynojammed until the tower was out of reinforced. Currently, however, you have a short window some 30 minutes or so long before the enemy simply destroys their own incaped cynojammer and anchors a new one. That just doesn't make any sense.


last i checked it did not take 30 minutes to click jump while i was flying my carrier or my dread.

Athena Attom
Gallente
Federation of Freedom Fighters
AAA Citizens
Posted - 2008.03.10 18:48:00 - [172]
 

Originally by: Dangerously Cheesey
The biggest issue in my mind is not taking down the cyno jammer, but the ease with which it is replaced. It would be one thing if incaping a cyno jammer and then reinforcing the tower it was at kept the system un-cynojammed until the tower was out of reinforced. Currently, however, you have a short window some 30 minutes or so long before the enemy simply destroys their own incaped cynojammer and anchors a new one. That just doesn't make any sense.


I agree destroying your own jammer is far too easy in order to get it replaced and also doesnt put carriers at risk repping it.

Athena Attom
Gallente
Federation of Freedom Fighters
AAA Citizens
Posted - 2008.03.10 18:49:00 - [173]
 

Originally by: Sentinel Eeex
Originally by: Athena Attom
Originally by: Sentinel Eeex
Originally by: Athena Attom

If you dont prepare and do the same old attack sure its going to get beaten. Your numbers are down because cyno jammer attacks result in your fleet being slaughtered because you wolnt open the box and RR BS's are your only counter, attack the jammer off peak hours, attack it with such a force its down in 5 minutes.



"Guys, let's gather a big fleet and take out their cynojammer - but noone can know about it, sssshhhhhhh!"

We tried it few times. But noone showed up. Go figure.


Ummm you took down NOL- jammer by pretending to go for the J-L one then burning to pr- why not try the same thing?


Your tactical brilliance leads me to beleive that you are, in fact, Yaay himself Shocked


Please thats a pretty low blow. I am mearly pointing out that you have used several tactics to take down the jammer before we can even react there is nothing new its just your pilots dont want to log in and do it. Not the game mechanics itself, its your failings.

Post
Caldari
Man Pat And His Black And White Cat
Posted - 2008.03.10 18:49:00 - [174]
 

Originally by: Dangerously Cheesey
The biggest issue in my mind is not taking down the cyno jammer, but the ease with which it is replaced. It would be one thing if incaping a cyno jammer and then reinforcing the tower it was at kept the system un-cynojammed until the tower was out of reinforced. Currently, however, you have a short window some 30 minutes or so long before the enemy simply destroys their own incaped cynojammer and anchors a new one. That just doesn't make any sense.


I think you're missing something? If you take down a cynojammer you invariably control the system at that point, it's going to take alot of more time to get another jammer up by which time the system defenders advantage will be gone since you've just cyno'd in all your caps? Logic ftw?

Nlewis
Caldari
Nomad LLP
Wayfarer Stellar Initiative
Posted - 2008.03.10 18:51:00 - [175]
 

yes do the same thing over and over again

can't fail

Local Her0
Minmatar
La Mancha Corp
Posted - 2008.03.10 18:52:00 - [176]
 

Originally by: maralt
Originally by: Dangerously Cheesey
The biggest issue in my mind is not taking down the cyno jammer, but the ease with which it is replaced. It would be one thing if incaping a cyno jammer and then reinforcing the tower it was at kept the system un-cynojammed until the tower was out of reinforced. Currently, however, you have a short window some 30 minutes or so long before the enemy simply destroys their own incaped cynojammer and anchors a new one. That just doesn't make any sense.


last i checked it did not take 30 minutes to click jump while i was flying my carrier or my dread.


last i checked you didn't have a capital ship

Athena Attom
Gallente
Federation of Freedom Fighters
AAA Citizens
Posted - 2008.03.10 18:54:00 - [177]
 

Originally by: Nlewis
yes do the same thing over and over again

can't fail


You have only done it once. Because you stopped logging in after that...

maralt
Minmatar
The seers of truth
Posted - 2008.03.10 18:54:00 - [178]
 

Originally by: Local Her0
Originally by: maralt
Originally by: Dangerously Cheesey
The biggest issue in my mind is not taking down the cyno jammer, but the ease with which it is replaced. It would be one thing if incaping a cyno jammer and then reinforcing the tower it was at kept the system un-cynojammed until the tower was out of reinforced. Currently, however, you have a short window some 30 minutes or so long before the enemy simply destroys their own incaped cynojammer and anchors a new one. That just doesn't make any sense.


last i checked it did not take 30 minutes to click jump while i was flying my carrier or my dread.


last i checked you didn't have a capital ship


fyi moros + thanatos actualy bud.

Dangerously Cheesey
Gallente
Black Omega Security
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2008.03.10 18:54:00 - [179]
 

Originally by: Post
Originally by: Dangerously Cheesey
The biggest issue in my mind is not taking down the cyno jammer, but the ease with which it is replaced. It would be one thing if incaping a cyno jammer and then reinforcing the tower it was at kept the system un-cynojammed until the tower was out of reinforced. Currently, however, you have a short window some 30 minutes or so long before the enemy simply destroys their own incaped cynojammer and anchors a new one. That just doesn't make any sense.


I think you're missing something? If you take down a cynojammer you invariably control the system at that point, it's going to take alot of more time to get another jammer up by which time the system defenders advantage will be gone since you've just cyno'd in all your caps? Logic ftw?

Just because you managed to take blitz their cyno jammer does not mean you control the system. It does not take long at all to simply go anchor a new jammer at a different pos which has all of its guns up. Regardless, its more of a situation that once you incap an enemys cyno jammer and reinforce the pos its at, its more or less impossible to keep them from anchoring a new cyno jammer for any length of time. The very idea that destroying your own pos module that an enemy just incapped so you can put up a new one is irrational.

Nlewis
Caldari
Nomad LLP
Wayfarer Stellar Initiative
Posted - 2008.03.10 18:56:00 - [180]
 

Originally by: Athena Attom
Originally by: Nlewis
yes do the same thing over and over again

can't fail


You have only done it once. Because you stopped logging in after that...


bull**** i changed skills the other day


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