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BiggestT
Caldari
Amarrian Retribution
Posted - 2008.03.10 07:57:00 - [1]
 

Ok here goes people..
I was thinking of why isk sellers/marco miners are free to do whatever they want in empire space, and was trying to think of a solution, but to find a solution you must first consider the problem..

ISK sellers/macro miners are basically invincible in high sec, the only way to kill them is via suicide gank, a fun but mostly pointless method. The only way to kill someone freely in empire is to war dec them, but you cant wardec an npc corp...So the real problem?

NPC Corps..

The only way to remove macro miners is to take away their teddy bear, their blanket and all other nice things that keep them safe, take away npc corps and they have nothing.

Now i hear many poeple thinking "WTF?? YOU CANT TAKE AWAY NPC CORPS WITHOUT NEEDING TO COMPLETELY REMODEL THE NEW PLAYER EXPERIENCE!" on the contrary, it would be rather simple, of course taking away npc corps all together would be very inpractical, so we have to meet somewhere in the middle..

The standard trial period is 14 days (or has has it been extended to 21? not sure..) so an easy way to remove the npc corp blanket without essentially @#$%^[email protected] over new players is to allow a max period of 14 days (or 21) in the npc corp before being booted out into the big bad world, now of course questions such as "what if thye dont join a new corp by then?" arrise from said problem..

The solution is like an auto-join system, you type in your pref's, what your interests in eve are etc (said system already excists i think) and bam, the system automatically sends u a code via eve-mail, which will automatically join u with any corp with applications for newby's, now ppl then say "but dont they have to fly to a station to join?" well thats an easy one aswell, although the system has already "auto-joined them" they will still have to fly-to-and-apply to chosen corp hq/office using their assigned code at their respective stations.

Now were still left with some problems, such as what if they dont bother flying to the chosen corp hq/office to apply with their code. Well this is where some fun could begin such as a dramatic lowering of sec status by Concord untill they have joined so they may only fly their pod around untill joined up, or even funner, they become shoot on sight (except pod) in empire to anyone who wants a fun kill mail! Razz

Yes there are still some issues in this solution such as what happens when people are booted from a corp, well then perhaps their sec status is dropped again when they are put back into the npc corp,
until they find a new corp..

I know that this wont COMPLETELY eradicate macro miners as they can still make a corp of their own, but at least we can war dec the and have some fun popping hulks in high sec \o/

Have i missed anything? Pleae done say "thats a ^*$$*% idea coz that doesnt help in the campaign to destroy macro-ers' instead point out whats wrong or give some of your own suggestions Smile

Marcus TheMartin
Gallente
Tuxedo.
Posted - 2008.03.10 08:03:00 - [2]
 

Edited by: Marcus TheMartin on 10/03/2008 08:09:37
how does that stop them from being docked and typing?

how does that stop them from going to back water 0.0 and ratting all day and just logging off whenever some one shows up?

How does that stop them from adding your character to a list of people to avoid when hauling phat loots?

FISSION MAILED


BiggestT
Caldari
Amarrian Retribution
Posted - 2008.03.10 08:08:00 - [3]
 

Originally by: Marcus TheMartin
how does that stop them from being docked and typing?

FISSION MAILED




Well how the $%^# they gonna mine to get thier isk to sell?
/me slaps Macus theMartin

Marcus TheMartin
Gallente
Tuxedo.
Posted - 2008.03.10 08:10:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: BiggestT
Originally by: Marcus TheMartin
how does that stop them from being docked and typing?

FISSION MAILED




Well how the $%^# they gonna mine to get thier isk to sell?
/me slaps Macus theMartin


Mission running, 0.0 ctrl+q ratting

BiggestT
Caldari
Amarrian Retribution
Posted - 2008.03.10 08:13:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Marcus TheMartin
Originally by: BiggestT
Originally by: Marcus TheMartin
how does that stop them from being docked and typing?

FISSION MAILED




Well how the $%^# they gonna mine to get thier isk to sell?
/me slaps Macus theMartin


Mission running, 0.0 ctrl+q ratting


ahh yeah, so like 5% of them will still be in business, so ahh, hows it a fission mailed? :p

Lord WarATron
Amarr
Shadow Warri0rs
Posted - 2008.03.10 08:22:00 - [6]
 

Edited by: Lord WarATron on 10/03/2008 08:25:39
Originally by: BiggestT

ahh yeah, so like 5% of them will still be in business, so ahh, hows it a fission mailed? :p


In case you dont know, most ISK sellers are not macro miners in empire. Probebly 5% are the miners to be honest.

They include some CEO's of seriously rich corps who skim off some of their corps wallet, CTRL-Q 0.0 Ratters (including those who fit a wcs and a cloak to keep themselves alive) as well as Mission runners who just run lvl4/exploration plex's all day for isk.

Most of the above are where most isk that goes for sale comes from. Not from some bunch of miners macroing in empire.

Therefore the NPC corp change wont really do anything. The Isk farmers wil just create a holding corp and corp hop between 4 holding corps to avoid the 3 wardec limit that a single corp can place amongst them.

BiggestT
Caldari
Amarrian Retribution
Posted - 2008.03.10 08:22:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: Marcus TheMartin
Edited by: Marcus TheMartin on 10/03/2008 08:09:37
how does that stop them from being docked and typing?

how does that stop them from going to back water 0.0 and ratting all day and just logging off whenever some one shows up?

How does that stop them from adding your character to a list of people to avoid when hauling phat loots?

FISSION MAILED




oh and i dunno if you read thw whole post...but war decced, they will do missions at own peril, the ratting in 0.0 will be less effient as 0.0 borders expand, and who cares if they dock whenever they are seen? stops em inflating the market that us normal ppl have to pay up for..

But yes, as it is now, the ratting in 0.0 is still isnt really solved, but i reckon this methods not a bad start :)

Lord WarATron
Amarr
Shadow Warri0rs
Posted - 2008.03.10 08:26:00 - [8]
 

Edited by: Lord WarATron on 10/03/2008 08:27:29
Edited by: Lord WarATron on 10/03/2008 08:26:51
Originally by: BiggestT
Originally by: Marcus TheMartin
Edited by: Marcus TheMartin on 10/03/2008 08:09:37
how does that stop them from being docked and typing?

how does that stop them from going to back water 0.0 and ratting all day and just logging off whenever some one shows up?

How does that stop them from adding your character to a list of people to avoid when hauling phat loots?

FISSION MAILED




oh and i dunno if you read thw whole post...but war decced, they will do missions at own peril, the ratting in 0.0 will be less effient as 0.0 borders expand, and who cares if they dock whenever they are seen? stops em inflating the market that us normal ppl have to pay up for..

But yes, as it is now, the ratting in 0.0 is still isnt really solved, but i reckon this methods not a bad start :)


The Isk farmers wil just create a bunch of holding corps and corp hop between 4 holding corps to avoid the 3 wardec limit that a single corp can place amongst them. I know, because my alt corp has tried to wardec some in the past.

BiggestT
Caldari
Amarrian Retribution
Posted - 2008.03.10 08:29:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Lord WarATron
Edited by: Lord WarATron on 10/03/2008 08:26:51
Originally by: BiggestT
Originally by: Marcus TheMartin
Edited by: Marcus TheMartin on 10/03/2008 08:09:37
how does that stop them from being docked and typing?

how does that stop them from going to back water 0.0 and ratting all day and just logging off whenever some one shows up?

How does that stop them from adding your character to a list of people to avoid when hauling phat loots?

FISSION MAILED






oh and i dunno if you read thw whole post...but war decced, they will do missions at own peril, the ratting in 0.0 will be less effient as 0.0 borders expand, and who cares if they dock whenever they are seen? stops em inflating the market that us normal ppl have to pay up for..

But yes, as it is now, the ratting in 0.0 is still isnt really solved, but i reckon this methods not a bad start :)


The Isk farmers wil just create a holding corp and corp hop between 4 holding corps to avoid the 3 wardec limit that a single corp can place amongst them. I know, because my alt corp has tried to wardec some in the past.



well ccp should be a little more gungho and allow many wardec's...tho i see it would be impossible to keep wardeccing macroers if they keep making new corps...hmmm not sure on that one

Lord WarATron
Amarr
Shadow Warri0rs
Posted - 2008.03.10 08:38:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: BiggestT

well ccp should be a little more gungho and allow many wardec's...tho i see it would be impossible to keep wardeccing macroers if they keep making new corps...hmmm not sure on that one


It costs 50mil/week for a wardec and 2mil to make a corp. The isk farmers will corp hop forever into new corps, and as long as the ceo's of each corp stay, the members are allowed to move around. You cannot beat corp hopping in the long run if they use their new technique to get around the pettitionable corp hopping ban.

But lets say that you do stop them. In case you dont know, 0.0 is full of isk farmers ratting belts in a cloaked raven. If you were to stop isk farmers in empire, how you going to stop them in 0.0 when they CRTL-Q macro logoff as soon as someone enters local? How are you going to stop the CEOs who skim off isk for sale? How are you going to stop plex runners from making isk for sale?

I could go on and on. Isk sellers are not stupid. You cut one money path and they will find another. What needs to be stoped is the incentive to buy isk. Then the rest of the industry will wither away.

Emily Spankratchet
Minmatar
Pragmatics
Posted - 2008.03.10 08:45:00 - [11]
 

As this is not an original suggestion, and CCP have not done this in the past when it has been suggested, I suspect that it's unlikely to happen.

Kestrix
Posted - 2008.03.10 08:53:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Lord WarATron
Originally by: BiggestT

But lets say that you do stop them. In case you dont know, 0.0 is full of isk farmers ratting belts in a cloaked raven. If you were to stop isk farmers in empire, how you going to stop them in 0.0 when they CRTL-Q macro logoff as soon as someone enters local? How are you going to stop the CEOs who skim off isk for sale? How are you going to stop plex runners from making isk for sale?



Disable the CRTL-Q function?

Ikonz
Caldari
Norse'Storm Battle Group
Intrepid Crossing
Posted - 2008.03.10 09:35:00 - [13]
 

Edited by: Ikonz on 10/03/2008 09:36:54
Originally by: Lord WarATron
You cut one money path and they will find another. What needs to be stoped is the incentive to buy isk. Then the rest of the industry will wither away.
How to do this though? Have CCP monitor all isk transfers?ugh

O btw your sig link is just a tiny bit old :P

Marcus TheMartin
Gallente
Tuxedo.
Posted - 2008.03.10 09:43:00 - [14]
 

Edited by: Marcus TheMartin on 10/03/2008 09:43:35
Originally by: Kestrix
Originally by: Lord WarATron
Originally by: BiggestT

But lets say that you do stop them. In case you dont know, 0.0 is full of isk farmers ratting belts in a cloaked raven. If you were to stop isk farmers in empire, how you going to stop them in 0.0 when they CRTL-Q macro logoff as soon as someone enters local? How are you going to stop the CEOs who skim off isk for sale? How are you going to stop plex runners from making isk for sale?



Disable the CRTL-Q function?


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Skaz
Minmatar
Skazmanian Industries
Posted - 2008.03.10 09:54:00 - [15]
 

Been discussed before, fails everytime.

I've been in a NPC corp for over 4.5 years, check it. I like it because it makes me neutral. I'm able to be a neutral party that everybody trusts, somewhat....

But that's a different matter.

The reason that this "solution" fails is because the macro's have mostly moved on from mining. They're running plexes nowadays and while I'm sure some people would want to fight BS's and kill ISK sellers imagine the cries when the sellers win.... "I lost my ship to a ISK seller I want it back!"

People fighting the good fight would of course want their ships back if their attempt fails. This isn't helpless barges and exhumers we're talking about anymore.

Ahh auto-join... hehe I'm sure there are CEO's that can tell you how thoroughly they vet any applicant and automatically reject people in NPC corps without a previous experience. Spies and such can be among those horrible people Laughing

I can't write more at the moment because I'm in class. But rest assured there is more.

Radix Salvilines
legion industries ltd
AAA Citizens
Posted - 2008.03.10 10:12:00 - [16]
 

eve is a dirty world... today all these tutorials and stuff that makes new players have a better stuff... well sux. It misses the point imo.

I remember my own tutorial back some time - not to clear, short and really leaving me only with the basics on how to fly the ship, shoot eventually and dock. Thats it. Its more enjoyable that way and a man may be better introduced to EVE looking for an answerts on his own.

Now how that relates to the topic.
Well simply i completely agree with the thread maker - 14 days in noob corps max :)
What is a noob corp... meh a place - training ground for noobs? Place where some peoples can live in peace? No - its where one can hide from responsibilities, noobs can get cheated and most of all are not getting the full feel of EVE - dirty and brutal.

IMO a total removal of the ability to join npc corps would be good - player without player corp would be just as its sounds - without corp. A lone wolf - no ticker and stuff. And others can war dec him as a normal corp.

Go on and do some blabla now :P

Agil TradeAlt
Posted - 2008.03.10 10:15:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Ikonz
How to do this though? Have CCP monitor all isk transfers?ugh




Yeah. How do you catch Alliances that build and sell motherships on Ebay? There is no isk trail as the pilot simply ejects.

Inertial
Did I just do that
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2008.03.10 10:25:00 - [18]
 

The only solution is to make people stop buying isk. Isk sellers will always adapt as long as their profit margins are good.

Rawr Cristina
Caldari
Naqam
Posted - 2008.03.10 10:32:00 - [19]
 

I'm with the guy with the eyebleedingly yellow sig.

jita pc232323
Posted - 2008.03.10 10:38:00 - [20]
 

The only solution is to change the new player experience. All new players should start in a 'new-player instance', a bit like the EQ 'Trial Of The Isle'. They can do everything in this instance that they could in the real universe, but are unable to interact with the wider community (other than the forums). This instance could even be placed on a seperate cluster or hardware, reducing the (minimal) overhead on Tranq. When they leave this instance, they graduate from their racial school and are placed in their own corp.

Celot
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2008.03.10 10:57:00 - [21]
 

if only someone would come along and start killing high sec miners

Jowen Datloran
Caldari
Science and Trade Institute
Posted - 2008.03.10 11:50:00 - [22]
 

Even though this "solution" has already been proved to be as crappy as all they other "solutions" we see on an every day basis, I would like to ask into one aspect that the OP (like SO many others) apparently forgets when talking about NPC corps: What about the NPC "drop-out" corps?

dantes inferno
Caldari
Posted - 2008.03.10 16:53:00 - [23]
 

ISK sellers the final solution:

dont buy isk!

Tarminic
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2008.03.10 16:59:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Marcus TheMartin
Edited by: Marcus TheMartin on 10/03/2008 08:09:37
how does that stop them from being docked and typing?

how does that stop them from going to back water 0.0 and ratting all day and just logging off whenever some one shows up?

How does that stop them from adding your character to a list of people to avoid when hauling phat loots?

FISSION MAILED



I rarely do this, but I agree with Marcus here.


I have to admit that the Fission Mailed help win me over.

Asestorian
Domination.
Posted - 2008.03.10 17:36:00 - [25]
 

This isn't the solution, just like it hasn't been the solution the last billion times it was suggested.

The issue can only be solved by stopping people trying to buy from the farmers in the first place. If there are no customers, they aren't going to bother. The problem exists because there are people out there who are morons and insist on doing it anyway, or those who are ignorant of the rules even though CCP does what they can to inform them.

There is very little else CCP can do to stop ISK sellers without hurting honest players as well. And it's very important not to hurt honest players in the fight against dishonest ones.

Jim McGregor
Posted - 2008.03.10 17:43:00 - [26]
 


I wish these threads would be true just once.


 

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