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SleepingBuddah
Posted - 2008.03.07 10:02:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: SleepingBuddah on 07/03/2008 17:50:45
I think it would be fun if the outlaws could live in 0.5
It means CONCORD will response on criminal agression, but Navy should not KOS the outlaw.

0.6 and higher works fine now, but 0.5 is like 'border' security between lowsec and highsec and outlaws should be allowed there.

edit(added):
- There are no disadvantages for carebears. Outlaws cannot shoot them first. A group of outlaws can be destroyed by a single non-outlaw pilot.
- There are only little advantages for outlaws with hauling, because flashy red in indy is an easy target. Also most outlaws already have hauling alts, so it's not an issue.
- Suicide ganking is not an issue also. He is flasy red an can be easily destroyed at undock/gate. Remember, outlaw in 0.5 will always be an easy target. NO ONE can help them with damage output.
- Suggestions to make it in 0.4 are not acceptable because it would affect too many players who live in 0.4. But players who live in 0.5 will not be affected with my suggestion.
- tip for avoiding suicide ganking: Linkage

techzer0
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2008.03.07 10:05:00 - [2]
 

I love you for this thread. Embarassed

Concord response and no faction police? Sounds pretty good to me. As a lot of people would just see me flashing away and scream "Fire ze missiles!!" and that = more pew pew.

/Signed YARRRR!!

Dirk Magnum
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
Posted - 2008.03.07 10:07:00 - [3]
 

But you still wouldn't be allowed to pewpew anyone yourself so what's the point? Oh I get it, you want somewhere to hide where you can go AFK without getting wasted by another pirate.Rolling Eyes

techzer0
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2008.03.07 10:09:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: Dirk Magnum
But you still wouldn't be allowed to pewpew anyone yourself so what's the point? Oh I get it, you want somewhere to hide where you can go AFK without getting wasted by another pirate.Rolling Eyes
Uhh... -10 means I can get wasted anywhere.

Fail Wink

SleepingBuddah
Posted - 2008.03.07 10:10:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: Dirk Magnum
But you still wouldn't be allowed to pewpew anyone yourself so what's the point? Oh I get it, you want somewhere to hide where you can go AFK without getting wasted by another pirate.Rolling Eyes


The point is to get more pew-pew. Everyone can shoot outlaw, and it should be more fun!

AndrewRyan
Amarr
Imperial Academy
Posted - 2008.03.07 10:12:00 - [6]
 

Its so they can get to the better markets to buy stuff without having to mess around with alts.

techzer0
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2008.03.07 10:15:00 - [7]
 

Basically what andrewryan just said...nobody likes to haul into lowsec, but this would give some people at least a few options (and reduce the need for an alt for solo outlaws)

Tandori Tanaka
Tanaka Stuff and Supplies
Posted - 2008.03.07 10:19:00 - [8]
 

This idea rocks !

/signed

RuleoftheBone
Minmatar
Black Viper Nomads
Posted - 2008.03.07 10:19:00 - [9]
 

I'd rather see:

-Option to buy a "day pass" for travel through hisec. I can still be attacked by anyone (me being outlaw) and can only return fire if engaged without insta-pop by Concord. This is mainly for quick movement through empire.

-A use for that stupid hack skill beyond NPC exploration. Let me turn off sentries....or plot a route through hisec and disable Concord for x period of time.

Yeah Very Happy.

I'd also like a pony please.


X99 Z990
Posted - 2008.03.07 10:19:00 - [10]
 

I can imagine there being anti outlaw camps in 0.5 as regular as pirate camps.

Would give me a chance to fly light ships i cant really use anymore. I.E vagabond/curse/small ships due to sentry fire.

Something to consider, might affect far more things than expected though.

Xtreem
Gallente
The Collective
White Noise.
Posted - 2008.03.07 10:24:00 - [11]
 

I think all outlaws should be aloud in high sec full stop, but obviously they flash red and can be shot by everyone, so the risk of that alone would be enough reason why it should be ok :)

techzer0
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2008.03.07 10:26:00 - [12]
 

Originally by: Xtreem
I think all outlaws should be aloud in high sec full stop, but obviously they flash red and can be shot by everyone, so the risk of that alone would be enough reason why it should be ok :)
With the current amount of suicide ganks... it wouldn't be much of a change to let us -10s fly around free Laughing

SleepingBuddah
Posted - 2008.03.07 10:30:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Xtreem
I think all outlaws should be aloud in high sec full stop, but obviously they flash red and can be shot by everyone, so the risk of that alone would be enough reason why it should be ok :)


No, I suggest only 0.5 (and lower) for outlaws. Flashy reds should not mess with rookie systems.

Currently we have 6 highsec securities and 5 lowsec/nosec. It would be logical if there would be a border security, not fully highsec and not lowsec. 0.5 is very good for it.

Hasak Rain
Amarr
Posted - 2008.03.07 10:37:00 - [14]
 

Nah. EvE is a harsh unforgiving game remember?

Part of that harshness is having to deal with sec status and the consequences of having a low one.

Cpt Branko
Retired Pirate Club
Posted - 2008.03.07 10:45:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Hasak Rain
Nah. EvE is a harsh unforgiving game remember?

Part of that harshness is having to deal with sec status and the consequences of having a low one.


Yeah.

The horrible consequences of sec status are that you have to stare at an alt while hauling which cannot be fired upon w/out getting sentry aggro (in low-sec) or concordokken (in high-sec), while the imbalanced proposal suggests that pirates should be allowed in border systems where they can't possibly shoot first without concord insta-bbq, but can be shot at by everyone (and you can't respond if someone fires on your corpmates either), which would be unfairly reducing the consequences of sec status.

Oh, wait Embarassed

Cpt Fina
Red Dwarf Mining Corporation
space weaponry and trade
Posted - 2008.03.07 11:00:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: X99 Z990
I can imagine there being anti outlaw camps in 0.5 as regular as pirate camps.



Yes, antipirates would finally be able to fight on equal and fair terms with concord omgwtfpwning any outlaw engaging a non-agressed target.

Wet Ferret
Posted - 2008.03.07 11:10:00 - [17]
 

Can you use shuttles or other fast ships still in high-sec without being insta-scrammed by faction police? If so, then nothing needs to be changed.

If not, ignore the above comment Razz

Mostly Amazing
Gallente
Mostly Amazing Corp
Posted - 2008.03.07 11:10:00 - [18]
 

I love you. This is the best idea ever :):):)

Hasak Rain
Amarr
Posted - 2008.03.07 11:12:00 - [19]
 

Edited by: Hasak Rain on 07/03/2008 11:30:59
Edited by: Hasak Rain on 07/03/2008 11:30:15
Originally by: Cpt Branko
Originally by: Hasak Rain
Nah. EvE is a harsh unforgiving game remember?

Part of that harshness is having to deal with sec status and the consequences of having a low one.


Yeah.

The horrible consequences of sec status are that you have to stare at an alt while hauling which cannot be fired upon w/out getting sentry aggro (in low-sec) or concordokken (in high-sec), while the imbalanced proposal suggests that pirates should be allowed in border systems where they can't possibly shoot first without concord insta-bbq, but can be shot at by everyone (and you can't respond if someone fires on your corpmates either), which would be unfairly reducing the consequences of sec status.

Oh, wait Embarassed


I sympathize with anyone who has to use an alt to move things to and from Empire because of sec status but it is no different than when the gatecampers tell "Mr. Soloer" to use an alt to go through those gates into Low sec or Null or else risk getting ganked.

Or how about "get some friends?" I am constantly seen posts of people telling others to get some friends to check the gate so why can't you get friends to haul into Empire for you?

Sorry but the sword cuts both ways. Adapt or die. Razz

Asking for the sec status mechanics to be changed for you is like a an empire dweller asking for free safe passes into 0.0.

Krycka
Minmatar
Nightmare Holdings
Posted - 2008.03.07 11:17:00 - [20]
 

I like this idea, will still be risky for pirates, and fun to try and catch them.

Jack Brazen
Universal Securities
Posted - 2008.03.07 11:31:00 - [21]
 

Anything that encourages general chaos and pew pew gets my approval. And the change you suggest wouldn't make it more dangerous for people in 0.5, unless they are outlaws, in which case it becomes slightly more risky, but a whole lot more convenient - much like high sec players moving into low-sec to shorten a trip.

So yes, I applaud the idea. If this turns 0.5 systems into battlegrounds between pirates and anti-pirates, and maybe encourages unexperienced PvP'ers to give it a shot there, I'd be delighted with the changes.

Basically, I think you could sum it up like this:

Carebear in high-sec? Don't worry. Just keep mining those roids.
Outlaw? Welcome to high-sec - watch your back.

Awesome. Might even get me to let my sec status drop.

Grunanca
Final Agony
B A N E
Posted - 2008.03.07 11:41:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Hasak Rain
Edited by: Hasak Rain on 07/03/2008 11:30:59
Edited by: Hasak Rain on 07/03/2008 11:30:15
Originally by: Cpt Branko
Originally by: Hasak Rain
Nah. EvE is a harsh unforgiving game remember?

Part of that harshness is having to deal with sec status and the consequences of having a low one.


Yeah.

The horrible consequences of sec status are that you have to stare at an alt while hauling which cannot be fired upon w/out getting sentry aggro (in low-sec) or concordokken (in high-sec), while the imbalanced proposal suggests that pirates should be allowed in border systems where they can't possibly shoot first without concord insta-bbq, but can be shot at by everyone (and you can't respond if someone fires on your corpmates either), which would be unfairly reducing the consequences of sec status.

Oh, wait Embarassed


I sympathize with anyone who has to use an alt to move things to and from Empire because of sec status but it is no different than when the gatecampers tell "Mr. Soloer" to use an alt to go through those gates into Low sec or Null or else risk getting ganked.

Or how about "get some friends?" I am constantly seen posts of people telling others to get some friends to check the gate so why can't you get friends to haul into Empire for you?

Sorry but the sword cuts both ways. Adapt or die. Razz

Asking for the sec status mechanics to be changed for you is like a an empire dweller asking for free safe passes into 0.0.


So anyone being able to attack me in 0.5 is the same as safe pass into 0.0? Im sorry, but your logic is something I fail to understand. Logic would be to let sentry guns attack carebears in low sec as they are in outlaw space, just like sentry guns will attack pirates in high sec. That is what would make it equal for both sides. Of course this would be completely wack, so lets just stay at the idea with allowing pirates into high sec while they still flash.

Hasak Rain
Amarr
Posted - 2008.03.07 11:47:00 - [23]
 

Edited by: Hasak Rain on 07/03/2008 11:49:00
Originally by: Grunanca
Originally by: Hasak Rain
Edited by: Hasak Rain on 07/03/2008 11:30:59
Edited by: Hasak Rain on 07/03/2008 11:30:15
Originally by: Cpt Branko
Originally by: Hasak Rain
Nah. EvE is a harsh unforgiving game remember?

Part of that harshness is having to deal with sec status and the consequences of having a low one.


Yeah.

The horrible consequences of sec status are that you have to stare at an alt while hauling which cannot be fired upon w/out getting sentry aggro (in low-sec) or concordokken (in high-sec), while the imbalanced proposal suggests that pirates should be allowed in border systems where they can't possibly shoot first without concord insta-bbq, but can be shot at by everyone (and you can't respond if someone fires on your corpmates either), which would be unfairly reducing the consequences of sec status.

Oh, wait Embarassed


I sympathize with anyone who has to use an alt to move things to and from Empire because of sec status but it is no different than when the gatecampers tell "Mr. Soloer" to use an alt to go through those gates into Low sec or Null or else risk getting ganked.

Or how about "get some friends?" I am constantly seen posts of people telling others to get some friends to check the gate so why can't you get friends to haul into Empire for you?

Sorry but the sword cuts both ways. Adapt or die. Razz

Asking for the sec status mechanics to be changed for you is like a an empire dweller asking for free safe passes into 0.0.


So anyone being able to attack me in 0.5 is the same as safe pass into 0.0? Im sorry, but your logic is something I fail to understand. Logic would be to let sentry guns attack carebears in low sec as they are in outlaw space, just like sentry guns will attack pirates in high sec. That is what would make it equal for both sides. Of course this would be completely wack, so lets just stay at the idea with allowing pirates into high sec while they still flash.



No the idea itself isn't the same but the fact that you want something which makes EvE harsh to be watered down makes you no different than... say... a carebear whining about how Sentry guns need to be stronger in low sec.

Carebears are told here everyday that "EvE is a harsh game" and that should go for everyone. Why should your playstyle be catered to and made more convenient?

Tell you what. The day they let me scan the other side of a gate is when you can have this idea put in. Deal?

Wet Ferret
Posted - 2008.03.07 11:48:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Grunanca

So anyone being able to attack me in 0.5 is the same as safe pass into 0.0? Im sorry, but your logic is something I fail to understand. Logic would be to let sentry guns attack carebears in low sec as they are in outlaw space, just like sentry guns will attack pirates in high sec. That is what would make it equal for both sides. Of course this would be completely wack, so lets just stay at the idea with allowing pirates into high sec while they still flash.


Then there needs to be more serious consequences for lower sec status. Because as you know, once you get to -10 there's nothing stopping you from suiciding people as there is no more risk of sec status loss. Whether CONCORD is "good enough" is debateable, but you will need to try pretty hard to convince CCP of it because this idea pretty much throws their sec status system out the window.

Nova Fox
Gallente
Novafox Shipyards
Posted - 2008.03.07 11:49:00 - [25]
 

if this happens 0.5 woudl empty out and become another low sec space nobody would bother with, if you want a better idea check my idea in my sig.

Maor Raor
Posted - 2008.03.07 11:49:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: SleepingBuddah
I think it would be fun it the outlaws could live in 0.5
It means CONCORD will response on criminal agression, but Navy should not KOS the outlaw.

0.6 and higher works fine now, but 0.5 is like 'border' security between lowsec and highsec and outlaws should be allowed there.


0.4 is the border.

Blah blah stuff sbout PoSs and moon mining and reactions that im sure PvPers are interested in.

Anyway.. The fact you need an alt to move stuff from the market to your character is somthing that i cant see CCP wanting to change anytime soon.
Plus I think any move to making the loss of Sec less of an issue is Bad.
Its a harsh game.

on the plus side
This is one of the ways that Pirates can Feed on eachother (popping eachothers Hauler alts) and thats a good thing.

Cipher7
Posted - 2008.03.07 11:51:00 - [27]
 


I believe this idea should be implemented in .4

Extend Concord to .4 with long response time (like 60 sec), and let ppl of any sec status live there.

Make it so in .4 you can kill someone and dock real quick and escape Concord.

Should open up the lowsec markets nicely, also will bring more victims for pirates to shoot.

Orion Eridanus
Dark Ashes
Posted - 2008.03.07 11:54:00 - [28]
 

Anything that reduces the number of alts in the game is good therefore I fully support the OP's suggestion.

Wet Ferret
Posted - 2008.03.07 11:58:00 - [29]
 

Originally by: Orion Eridanus
Anything that reduces the number of alts in the game is good therefore I fully support the OP's suggestion.


Hmmm. On that note:

Quote:
Tell you what. The day they let me scan the other side of a gate is when you can have this idea put in. Deal?


Supporting this 100%. Probes to scan the other side of the gate would be great.

Zcorm Narwarr
Posted - 2008.03.07 11:58:00 - [30]
 

Basically, if this was implemented it would mean that people visiting 0.5 would have to treat it as low sec since there would be a huge amount of suicide ganks as the security hit would not matter anymore. In no way a small change. I do not think Concord could call it "secure" space anymore after that.


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