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Galactic Thrasher
Minmatar
Velvet Underground Syndicate
Neutrino Technologies
Posted - 2008.03.04 19:56:00 - [31]
 

this is a goon idea, goons will collect money.. round up industrial fleet, and use their titan to kill them all in one swipe... funny thing is, people are going to believe this thread

TeddyBr FTW
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2008.03.04 20:03:00 - [32]
 

Originally by: Blane Xero
Get chribba to hold the isk then i might donate.

(I'm working on it)

Haakkon
Gallente
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2008.03.04 20:33:00 - [33]
 

Edited by: Haakkon on 04/03/2008 20:37:35
Edited by: Haakkon on 04/03/2008 20:36:54
You cannot stop the jihad!

Your hulks are not safe anywhere!

Hire out MC for the contract. They've got a good rep.

Zyxphoni
Caldari
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2008.03.04 20:58:00 - [34]
 

good luck with your project of wardeccing a 5000 pilot alliance with hundreds of dedicated empire war and suicide alts

Zizzyx
Minmatar
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2008.03.04 21:19:00 - [35]
 

Originally by: Zyxphoni
good luck with your project of wardeccing a 5000 pilot alliance with hundreds of dedicated empire war and suicide alts


For a week. Can't lose sight of the fact that we're talking about a span of seven days.

TeddyBr FTW
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2008.03.04 21:23:00 - [36]
 

Originally by: Nacho Daddy
There is one way to legitimize this and show its not a scam. Have the hired Merc corp post the contract and the kills for the goons. Otherwise people will just think this is a scam as has been posted.

I intend to do so. I am in the interviewing stages at the moment. Once I hire out the merc group I will have them come here to give specifics on when the wardec starts. They will give there killboard link as well.

What I am also going to ask is if they can on occation link to a cropped pic of the people they are about to kill. (What you see when the ship you are killing has red showing in shields/armor and hull and about to explode) It would be really nice to see these gasebags name and ship going down!

Minbiry
Minmatar
Republic Military School
Posted - 2008.03.04 21:48:00 - [37]
 

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DaiTengu
Gallente
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2008.03.04 22:09:00 - [38]
 

Uh-oh. Another Privateers contract incoming.




Zizzyx
Minmatar
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2008.03.04 22:11:00 - [39]
 

Things I have learned from this topic:

1) Use a neutral freighter to move a stockpile of thoraxes to my chosen system.
2) Create an instant undock bookmark from that system's station.
3) Stay docked until my neutral scout finds a hulk.
4) Continue ganking hulks in the midst of a pubbie nerd-rage wardec.

Minbiry
Minmatar
Republic Military School
Posted - 2008.03.04 22:11:00 - [40]
 

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TeddyBr FTW
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2008.03.04 22:27:00 - [41]
 

Originally by: Zizzyx
For a week. Can't lose sight of the fact that we're talking about a span of seven days.
I am willing to do this for as many months as the isk keeps rolling in. Very Happy

Minbiry
Minmatar
Republic Military School
Posted - 2008.03.04 22:28:00 - [42]
 

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TeddyBr FTW
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2008.03.04 22:34:00 - [43]
 

Originally by: Minbiry
update on isk situation please
(I will update as soon as I get home. Posting from work)

Orkasm
Minmatar
The Remnant Legion.
The Remnant Legion
Posted - 2008.03.04 22:36:00 - [44]
 

Edited by: Orkasm on 04/03/2008 22:37:34
only time im ever gonna be able to bring myself to say this...... Goons got it right, Death to the carebears :)


Zizzyx
Minmatar
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2008.03.04 22:50:00 - [45]
 

Edited by: Zizzyx on 04/03/2008 22:59:46
Originally by: TeddyBr FTW
Originally by: Zizzyx
For a week. Can't lose sight of the fact that we're talking about a span of seven days.
I am willing to do this for as many months as the isk keeps rolling in. Very Happy


It's a good thing that a billion isk a week won't be hurting anybody's bottom line. In all honesty, though, I encourage you to do this because it'll be pretty uplifting to our morale to see you flushing money down the toilet while we continue to gank your mining ships.

Dose One
Gallente
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2008.03.04 23:02:00 - [46]
 

Privateer Alliance is on this like a necrophiliac on a dead horse.

Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2008.03.04 23:04:00 - [47]
 

Reposted as alternative to obvious scam:

As more miners get ganked, and either stop mining or raise their prices to cover the risk, mineral prices will rise. Consequently so will ship prices. As ship prices rise, suiciding becomes less profitable. Soon an equilibrium is reached where the marginal cost of suiciding a ship becomes greater than the expected reward of ganking a hulk.

If ship prices don't rise, then it implies that either:

(1) This latest escapade while creating a lot of forum tears, is insignificant in the greater EvE economy.

(2) That hi-sec miners are't as vital to that economy as some of them are claiming.

(3) Both of the above.

For those miners pinning their hopes on an "Alliance P" style nerf, remember that it took CCP 6 months to do that.

Mal's advice: stop crying to CCP because you don't understand (or just plain won't accept) that YOUR SHIP IS AT RISK THE INSTANT YOU UNDOCK, and take the very minimal steps required to protect yourself.

If people can successfully and profitably mine in 0.0, with no CONCORD, no faction police and not even security penalties for attackers, then how in the name of all things fail can you guys not manage it in empire which has all of those advantages.

Jesus here's one I'll throw out for free:

USE THEIR OWN TECHNIQUES AGAINST THEM.


You can create a reasonable T1 cruiser combat alt in a couple of weeks (thorax, blackbird, rupture, rifter, kestrel, punisher, whatever ships are cheap and effective). Create an NPC miners intel channel, and put your alts into a new corp. Have that corp wardec goonswarm. Scour hi-sec for goon noobs and haulers and goonswarm them right back.

Insure your cruisers so they're 'free'. (In fact you can mine the minerals for the ships and the mods, so you will make a profit every time you lose one - double win! You don't need skills, you don't need tactics, you don't need to be very good at PvP: you just need numbers. Fly around in mobs of 30-50+.

There are thousands of hi-sec miners - at least as many as goonswarm has active players - and you're all in empire, whereas the majority of goons are in 0.0. Your locust-horde of disposable T1 cruiser alts could scour empire clean of goons in a few days: they'll either have to withdraw from empire or break off from fighting BoB & co. If they do come to empire in force, no problem: every time you lose a ship, you're making a profit anyway, and if they really kick your ass, just dock up and don't log your combat alt. Properly fitted combat ships are much too expensive to suicide so you can probably go back to mining - just have a few scouts in cloakers keep an eye on the goon fleets and relay their position to your intel channel. If goons disperse to start ganking your mining ships, dock up and log your mineswarm alts again and kill them in brutally unfair 50 vs 7 fights.

Let me repeat: you would not need lots of PvP skillpoints - goons have proved that. You would not need to be very experienced - goons have proved that. You would not care about losses of disposable, insured, T1-fitted frigates and cruisers - goons have proved that. You only need numbers and the will to close, lock, point and fire - goons have proved that.

The Hooch
Minmatar
Privateers
Privateer Alliance
Posted - 2008.03.04 23:07:00 - [48]
 

Edited by: The Hooch on 04/03/2008 23:11:37
well, since they ain't dining in Nol they need another outlet it seems. Wink

Also, when we did this we got the hell nerf'd out us...Rolling Eyes


TeddyBr FTW
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2008.03.04 23:11:00 - [49]
 

Originally by: Malcanis
Lame Stuff
You miss one important point. (Well actually two)

1. Miners like to mine not do PvP. That is how they enjoy Eve.
2. Miners sit for hours in a know easily found location and Goonies will not.

You fail.

Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2008.03.04 23:18:00 - [50]
 

Originally by: TeddyBr FTW
Originally by: Malcanis
Lame Stuff
You miss one important point. (Well actually two)

1. Miners like to mine not do PvP. That is how they enjoy Eve.
2. Miners sit for hours in a know easily found location and Goonies will not.

You fail.


I fight or watch local or align to safety so my ships don't get suicided in empire, and I fail? I was amused to run a hauler with ~5000m^3 of T2 mods out of Jita yesterday and see the famed kestrel gankgang. I can only assume my reputation for failing protected me, as my hauler was not molested. Details like agility rigs, T2 speed mods, low lag overview settings and so forth were purely irrelevant and of course fail.

That's the kind of fail that has 10.2 digits in my wallet and dozens of fitted ships in my hangar. Actually, I'm pretty happy to fail like that.

Yet another aspect of my fail is that I dare to post with my main.

Schigolch
Gallente
Merch Industrial
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2008.03.04 23:33:00 - [51]
 

Originally by: Malcanis
:words:
Have that corp wardec goonswarm. Scour hi-sec for goon noobs and haulers and goonswarm them right back.

...scour empire clean of goons in a few days: they'll either have to withdraw from empire or break off from fighting BoB & co.



Let us know how this goes with all those highsec goons. tia.





DrDevice
Gallente
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2008.03.04 23:35:00 - [52]
 

Edited by: DrDevice on 04/03/2008 23:36:26
there is no escape from the jihad (apart from with the dog ;-)

TeddyBr FTW
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2008.03.04 23:39:00 - [53]
 

Originally by: Malcanis
Random thoughts not addressing the issue

1. Miners like to mine not do PvP. That is how they enjoy Eve.
2. Miners sit for hours in a known easily found location and Goonies will not.

You really failed.

TeddyBr FTW
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2008.03.04 23:48:00 - [54]
 

Originally by: Malcanis
Scour hi-sec for goon noobs and haulers and goonswarm them right back.
Now this actually is a good idea but modified.

If enough isk is generated have the merc corp find out which alt corps the gasbags use for industrial moving/mining and wardec them. This will hamstring their logistics in making isk and moving mins to 0.0 to build ships.

How about it BoB? Send some isk this way and we'll do this too.

Scatim Helicon
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2008.03.05 00:10:00 - [55]
 

oh no some random empire pubbies might gank a few of our newbie velators and careless haulers, this is surely a disaster which will destroy our alliance SadSadSadSadSadSadSadSadSadSadSadSad

Scatim Helicon
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2008.03.05 00:11:00 - [56]
 

goons are such jerks for shooting at other people's ships

Zizzyx
Minmatar
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2008.03.05 00:56:00 - [57]
 

Originally by: TeddyBr FTW
Originally by: Malcanis
Scour hi-sec for goon noobs and haulers and goonswarm them right back.
Now this actually is a good idea but modified.

If enough isk is generated have the merc corp find out which alt corps the gasbags use for industrial moving/mining and wardec them. This will hamstring their logistics in making isk and moving mins to 0.0 to build ships.

How about it BoB? Send some isk this way and we'll do this too.


You can't wardec NPC corps, buddy.

Also, I only speak on my behalf when I say this, but I don't suicide on miners for profit, I do it for tears. If it cost me ten million isk every time I did it, I would go rat ten million isk, come back, and do it again.

Orebuster
Gallente
GoonWaffe
SOLODRAKBANSOLODRAKBANSO
Posted - 2008.03.05 01:03:00 - [58]
 

Originally by: TeddyBr FTW
hire the best Merc corp in Eve to kill them any where in the High Security universe



Rens911 about to get rich ITT

Aaron Static
Gallente
Ars ex Discordia
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2008.03.05 01:33:00 - [59]
 

If you were clever little industrialists you would be capitalizing on the sudden demand for ice products instead of whining about your hulks.

And besides, goons have been without a source of tears since LV died, do you really expect them to stop because of some little empire merc corp?

In summary, you're doing it wrong. furthermore,

Brun Thorvald
Caldari
Senex Legio
Legion of xXDEATHXx
Posted - 2008.03.05 01:34:00 - [60]
 

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