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Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente
Posted - 2008.03.01 19:46:00 - [211]
 

Originally by: Dianeces
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
Originally by: Dianeces
You are such a terrible failposter. The thread you refrence is about a group of carebears using game mechanics to escape war, i.e. the non-consentual PvP that you agree to when you undock. Furthermore, the use of game mechanics (in this case war declarations) in no way constitutes griefing.


And you still don't understand that we DONT agree to silly griefing "PVP" when we undock, which is exactly what Goonswarm is doing and what those pathetic kiddie corporations are doing. If they want PVP, they can go to lowsec and 0.0, where it is perfectly endorsed and perfectly supported by the game mechanics.

But using holes in the game mechanics to escape grief is evil and using it to cause grief is good eh?


No. You're still failing. Whether or not you choose to delude yourself into thinking you don't agree to PvP when you undock is your problem. The simple fact of the matter is you do agree to it. If you undock, you can and will be subject to PvP, no questions asked. If you're not docked, you're not safe, period. Furthermore, your continual use of the word "griefing" demonstrates how completely clueless you are. If they want to PvP, they could go to lowsec and 0.0, or they could do it in highsec and watch all the ridiculous carebears floating about whine and cry bitter, bitter tears which taste so sweet. You may as well try and adapt, because it isn't going away anytime soon.


I have already explained how this is griefing, and if you do not go look up my post and debate that logically, then I will hereby accept your concession.

Sekhmet Orion
Mad-Warping-Maniacs
Posted - 2008.03.01 20:01:00 - [212]
 

Edited by: Sekhmet Orion on 01/03/2008 20:04:18
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah

I have already explained how this is griefing, and if you do not go look up my post and debate that logically, then I will hereby accept your concession.


So this is how you "win" arguments. You delude yourself, ignore everything that has been said to the counter (including CCP's own words) then continue to spout nonsense

Here's a pro tip for you....read back through the thread, and see how many agree with you. ( I think you even managed to embarrass self confessed carebears with your continual bleating )

The inescapable conclusion from this thread...is that you are on your own. This applies to your opinion, and your in game presence.

I doubt you can see that, as you seem to only be able to hear your own voice.

Of course your interpretation is that EVERYONE else is wrong, and you in your lordly wisdom (and ebayed char) is the only one that can save EVE.

There is a medical term for your condition Wink



techzer0
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2008.03.01 20:06:00 - [213]
 

Originally by: Berrik Radhok
Originally by: Omarvelous

I'm probably going to be buried in posts here but...

I thought about this topic some more and I wonder what you guys think of it.

Leave the insurance system alone (removing it and you've increased the threshold of suicide ganking to the point of making high sec into no-risk sec).

Instead - if your character has committed crimes that involved Concord - they permanently lose Concord's protection. They go on a Concord blacklist. They can rat their way to high sec status to go anywhere in empire - but they lose Concord's protection, so if a carebear wanted revenge or freaks out that the guy is going to suicide his ship again - he can attack you and defend himself from your first strike - by attacking you first without getting Concorded.

Now suicide ganker has to consider a tank on his gank ship (slightly more difficult repeat customers) - and the whiney carebear has a means to defend themselves ONTOP of the reasons already given (you can FIGHT back and strike first!).

If I suicided in high sec, I'd love this because it would encourage more fights, and I don't need some lame ass Concord protecting me - BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT MEANT TO!

P.S. yarrrrrrrrr YARRRR!!


This already happens. If your sec status is below a certain level, anyone can shoot you without consequences.
Yes, but you can't realistically fly around with out being petitioned for exploting (it's an exploit to launch drones and kill the faction police so you can fly around high-sec).

So no, it doesn't already happen, because if I jump to high-sec in anything bigger than an i-stab frigate I'm instantly webbed to 3m/s, scrammed, perma jammed. If I got my sec up and could fly through highsec about 100-150 people would have kill rights on me right now, and that'd be basically what he's saying, except it'd be all of EVE and a hell of a risk for anyone like me.

But hey I'm all for it. I hate the NPCs anyways and them not protecting me would be one less way for me to have to deal with them. Wink

Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente
Posted - 2008.03.01 20:07:00 - [214]
 

Originally by: Sekhmet Orion
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah

I have already explained how this is griefing, and if you do not go look up my post and debate that logically, then I will hereby accept your concession.


So this is how you "win" arguments. You delude yourself, ignore everything that has been said the the counter (including CCP's own words) then continue to spout nonsense

Here's a pro tip for you....read back through the thread, and see how many agree with you. ( i think you even managed to embarrass self confessed carebears with your continual bleating )

The inescapable conclusion from this thread...is that you are on your own. This applies to your opinion, your in game presence.

I doubt you can see that, as you seem to only be able to hear your own voice.

The quote from CCP Wrangler did not apply to what I said at all. I can pull quotes out of my arse as a winning card, but if the card does not match color then it's quite pointless, eh?

There are plenty of people in this thread and the many other threads that agree with the two points I have made, just look around and see how many people say that insurance should be void when Concord pops your ship.

http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=714172&page=2

http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=713603

I most definately do not stand alone.

Maybe it's because you sore losers threaten to hunt down and gank everyone you lose from on the forums that people are terrorized into keeping their mouths shut.

Dianeces
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2008.03.01 20:08:00 - [215]
 

Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah

Maybe it's because you sore losers threaten to hunt down and gank everyone you lose from on the forums that people are terrorized into keeping their mouths shut.


ITT: You provide proof, or you STFU.

Sekhmet Orion
Mad-Warping-Maniacs
Posted - 2008.03.01 20:11:00 - [216]
 

Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah

http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=714172&page=2

http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=713603

I most definately do not stand alone.

Maybe it's because you sore losers threaten to hunt down and gank everyone you lose from on the forums that people are terrorized into keeping their mouths shut.


So you found 2 people...wow.

And btw you can throw around personal insults all you like, but I am not the one "losing" ships Wink

Btw, I am watching the alliance mining tournament...no sorry its the alliance mission tournament...oh wait, its about blowing ships up

Running missions and trading in game is a means to provide ships for the more fun aspect of this game.

You might want to look up the definition of fun as it seems that you fail to understand the concept. Maybe your calculator does not have it as a variable Wink


techzer0
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2008.03.01 20:11:00 - [217]
 

Edited by: techzer0 on 01/03/2008 20:11:56
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
stuff.
Are you an alt of Jonny Jojo? Seriously... Chill on the replies to every other post and look at some ideas other than your own.

Insurance can't be voided, because that would flood the petition system when a person legitimately makes a mistake and gets concorded.

And people threaten to hunt you down and gank you not because of your ideas, but because of your posting style and choice of words... lay off the generalizations like "you sore losers" and stuff. and if you're scared of repercussions from posting, use an alt like you are, even if nobody will take you seriously.

Edit: I'm the second to point this out.. notice a trend?

Dianeces
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2008.03.01 20:15:00 - [218]
 

Originally by: techzer0

Edit: I'm the second to point this out.. notice a trend?


It's obviously a "griefer" conspiracy.

D4RK 0NE
testicular Fortitude
Sherwood Forest
Posted - 2008.03.01 20:16:00 - [219]
 

Originally by: techzer0
Edited by: techzer0 on 01/03/2008 20:11:56

And people threaten to hunt you down and gank you not because of your ideas, but because of your posting style and choice of words... lay off the generalizations like "you sore losers" and stuff. and if you're scared of repercussions from posting, use an alt like you are, even if nobody will take you seriously.




quoted for truth and signed Very Happy

Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente
Posted - 2008.03.01 20:19:00 - [220]
 

Originally by: Dianeces
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah

Maybe it's because you sore losers threaten to hunt down and gank everyone you lose from on the forums that people are terrorized into keeping their mouths shut.


ITT: You provide proof, or you STFU.


Don't read thread much?

Originally by: Ki An
Yes, that's exactly why I ask. Man up and tell me the name of your main so I can make it my personal mission to suicide gank you back to a noob ship plz.


Originally by: M'ing Pai
Ki An, when you find out, if you find out apart from the forums, could you let me know in-game? I'd like to accompany you on that expedition. You know where to find me.


Originally by: D4RK 0NE
i tried to find some cheese for your whine,but the mice had eaten it..
guess ill go looking for you instead YARRRR!!Twisted Evil


Originally by: Conq Er
Edited by: Conq Er on 29/02/2008 02:37:27
So who else is running locator agents on Ankhesentapemkah now? YARRRR!!YARRRR!!YARRRR!!


Originally by: duckmonster
Originally by: Conq Er
Edited by: Conq Er on 29/02/2008 02:37:27
So who else is running locator agents on Ankhesentapemkah now? YARRRR!!YARRRR!!YARRRR!!


I ran out of points hunting down people whining in the eve-o general thread :(

Let us know where he hangs out.


Originally by: Ki An
Yes, I want to bully you into quitting the game, and no I am not sick. I am just very protective of things that I find fun. You are trying to get Eve changed in a way that would make it un-fun for me, so I will do whatever I can to stop you, including griefing the hell out of you and your ilk. As I said, nothing personal.


techzer0
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2008.03.01 20:22:00 - [221]
 

lol... well you have read this forum before haven't you? Laughing

Dramaticus
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2008.03.01 20:23:00 - [222]
 

we're winning in 0.0 and empire. too bad we suck at the alliance tournament.

techzer0
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2008.03.01 20:24:00 - [223]
 

Originally by: Dramaticus
we're winning in 0.0 and empire. too bad we suck at the alliance tournament.
But goons still fail YARRRR!!

Sekhmet Orion
Mad-Warping-Maniacs
Posted - 2008.03.01 20:25:00 - [224]
 

Edited by: Sekhmet Orion on 01/03/2008 20:25:31
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
tears


If you believe you are being harassed, then write a petition.

Killing people in the game is perfectly legal, and since your 4 year old char is not a noob, then you don't qualify for the can baiting noobs in starter systems.

Whilst CCP deal with your petitions of pointlessness, they might find some interesting wallet activity with your ebay dealings.

If I were you, I would not want to draw any attention to myself and start a CCP investigation about your char sale history Wink


Dramaticus
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2008.03.01 20:25:00 - [225]
 

Originally by: Volir
Maybe the empire huggers should surrender? What are the Goon's terms?


Rifters. MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF RIFTERS.

Fleet Rifter

High
3x 200mm AutoCannons
1x Rocket Launcher (or a salvager module for cleaning up battlefields)
Medium
1mn MWD
Warp Disruptor I
Stasis Webifier I/Cap Recharger I
Low
3x Capacitor Power Relay I / 3x Overdrive Injectors or a combination of any of the aforementioned modules

guns are optional, the lifespan of this ship is about 12 seconds.

Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente
Posted - 2008.03.01 20:27:00 - [226]
 

Originally by: Sekhmet Orion
So you found 2 people...wow.


No, I found two threads which have a multitude of people that want something done about this highsec ganking, in which the criminals do not risk anything and do disproportionate damage.

Originally by: Sekhmet Orion
And btw you can throw around personal insults all you like, but I am not the one "losing" ships Wink

The last time I lost a ship was over a year ago, as I already said in this thread.
As for the personal insults, I think that what I say is by far overshadowed by the insults and threats made towards my person.

Originally by: Sekhmet Orion
Btw, I am watching the alliance mining tournament...no sorry its the alliance mission tournament...oh wait, its about blowing ships up

Running missions and trading in game is a means to provide ships for the more fun aspect of this game.

You might want to look up the definition of fun as it seems that you fail to understand the concept. Maybe your calculator does not have it as a variable Wink

The activities that provides people with fun varies per person. I never said you cannot PVP, or that it is an unenjoyable practice in general. I personally do not enjoy it, but if you or anyone else wants to, by all means. If you want to do it in my backyard, there should be appropriate consequences though. Wink

Dianeces
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2008.03.01 20:33:00 - [227]
 

Edited by: Dianeces on 01/03/2008 20:33:24
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
I personally do not enjoy it, but if you or anyone else wants to, by all means. If you want to do it in my backyard, there should be appropriate consequences though.


There are appropriate consequences.

techzer0
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2008.03.01 20:36:00 - [228]
 

Define: "Backyard" in eve please. Nobody holds soverienty in highsec (and we are talking highsec), so it's nobodys back yard Wink

I'm nit picking, because the good ideas have already been posted and retyping them 100 different ways and adding to the lenght of the thread really does nothing for me. I don't mind suicide gankers, but it is true it's without much of a penalty. If there is a way other than removing insurance I'd rather see that looked at first rather than saying "OMG this is the only fix".

Berrik Radhok
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2008.03.01 20:43:00 - [229]
 

It doesn't matter one whit what you want. The fact of the matter is, your personal definition of griefing doesn't match up with the one in the EULA. You know, the one you agreed to when you installed EVE Online?

Feel free to petition the people who blow you up. Petition abuse can result in removal of the ability to petition.

Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente
Posted - 2008.03.01 20:45:00 - [230]
 

Originally by: techzer0
Define: "Backyard" in eve please. Nobody holds soverienty in highsec (and we are talking highsec), so it's nobodys back yard Wink

Hush, Aliastra is a global corp you know YARRRR!! Wink

Originally by: techzer0
I'm nit picking, because the good ideas have already been posted and retyping them 100 different ways and adding to the lenght of the thread really does nothing for me. I don't mind suicide gankers, but it is true it's without much of a penalty. If there is a way other than removing insurance I'd rather see that looked at first rather than saying "OMG this is the only fix".

Agreed, this thread has degraded over the pages. I'm fully open to alternatives that rebalance this aspect of the game.

Sekhmet Orion
Mad-Warping-Maniacs
Posted - 2008.03.01 20:50:00 - [231]
 

Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
I'm fully open to alternatives that rebalance this aspect of the game.


Since you don't work for CCP, or seem to have any understanding of the game. I am going to leave you now.

On the plus side...you have gone down in history along with Scious for providing some serious entertainment Laughing

This thread has been linked all over the place Wink




Praxis1452
The Illuminatii
Dirt Nap Squad.
Posted - 2008.03.01 20:50:00 - [232]
 

Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
Originally by: techzer0
Define: "Backyard" in eve please. Nobody holds soverienty in highsec (and we are talking highsec), so it's nobodys back yard Wink

Hush, Aliastra is a global corp you know YARRRR!! Wink

Originally by: techzer0
I'm nit picking, because the good ideas have already been posted and retyping them 100 different ways and adding to the lenght of the thread really does nothing for me. I don't mind suicide gankers, but it is true it's without much of a penalty. If there is a way other than removing insurance I'd rather see that looked at first rather than saying "OMG this is the only fix".

Agreed, this thread has degraded over the pages. I'm fully open to alternatives that rebalance this aspect of the game.
It isn't going to get balanced.

I wish they'd balance it by removing concord's instapwnage when they arrive. Too bad I can't. Smile

Ki An
Gallente
The Really Awesome Players
Posted - 2008.03.01 21:18:00 - [233]
 

Why don't we all leave Ankhesentapemkah alone in this thread to debate with himself. That's apparently how he prefers life - alone - and since he's not listening to anyone else but himself, I'd say it's all for the better. This thread is monstrously funny though, but I'll still kill him when I find out who his main is.

JeanClaude DuSoir
Anqara Expeditions
The OSS
Posted - 2008.03.01 22:49:00 - [234]
 

Ankh,

I will completely agree with you. Losing ships sucks. Because of the mechanics, or lack of mechanics, EVE attracts a certain type of player. Rewards are given to those who think quickly, act ruthlessly, and perform flawlessly. No where in EVE is safe. No where in EVE is safe. Just by pressing "undock", you could lose every bit of ISK in your name. The developers have built the game that way. It is by design. On purpose.

We get it. You either do or are planning to do video game design as your career. So you know that the developers can control the acts and reactions of CONCORD. They could make CONCORD instant. 0.000s arrival, lock, scram, and pop. They don't. Even in 1.0, there is a time delay before their eventual arrival. They could disable smartbombs in high sec when not in a deadspace pocket. They could make locking of pods impossible in high sec. They could even remove or alter insurance rules - removing insurance when CONCORD is on the kill, or adjusting the cost of all future ship insurances.

And they do none of those things. EVE has "existed" for over a decade now. The first bits of code were put into place in 1997. (I could be wrong on the exact date, but you catch my drift.) If they want to make the changes you suggest, they would have done so a long, long time ago.

If you don't like it, then EVE is not the game for you.

Resume forum whining.

/jcds

(And don't reply to me, because I probably won't read it.)

Mr Friendly
The Lost and The Damned
Posted - 2008.03.01 22:50:00 - [235]
 

Ankhesentapemkah, why are you playing Eve? You clearly hate most of the underlying mechanics that the rest of us love.

Do yourself a favour and play something else. Seriously. Or stop whining.

Preferably both.


Mangala Solaris
Caldari
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
Posted - 2008.03.01 23:15:00 - [236]
 

dayum.

As an empire hugging, mission running, alt-with-hulk-owning carebear, the protaganist/OP in this thread has even made me want to dock up refit for gank and find them and kill them over and over - just to taste their tears you understand!

I understand the "consent pvp when you log on" nature of eve, and always ensure I am ready for it, even if it makes my pve life slightly more annoying at times, from tanking the hulk to staying aligned in mission space to sub mission optimal fits on my mission boats. Why, I even salute the Goons for their latest "brainwave" - be it for the lulz or to help sales of goon made hulks along - its certainly made wandering through hisec more interesting than usual.

Seriously OP, just learn to tank your hulks - doable without compromising your mining ability too much - and you'll be fine.

As for the morales, check them at the log in screen. A video game isnt a place for them - unless you life in a Jack Thompson run perfect world.

Maximillian Dragonard
Posted - 2008.03.02 13:49:00 - [237]
 

After looking through goon's killboard, it's patently obvious that the hulks that are being ganked aren't tanked in any way.. On those rare occasions I mine in my alt, I fully tank the hulk/mack just as heavily in empire as I did in 0.0. Not hard to make them survivable.. (protip: screw mining drones, pack a flight of t2 lights for rats, or ec-300's for player defense)

Nohl
Faugh a Ballagh
Posted - 2008.03.02 14:48:00 - [238]
 

Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
I'm fully open to alternatives that rebalance this aspect of the game.

I've got a great idea for rebalancing it.

Step 1: Explain to the hulk pilots in empire that, no, your ship is not safe in Empire.
Step 2: Explain to them that CONCORD punishes the attacker, not defends the attacked.
Step 3: Explain that if they want a cheap, insurable ship, they need to be flying T1 and not T2.
Step 4: Kill every single pilot who can't grasp these concepts.

There, rebalanced. Not the game, mind you - the pilots.

Ryan Darkwolf
Amarr
Sins Of Lost Souls
Einherjar Alliance
Posted - 2008.03.02 15:27:00 - [239]
 

Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
Edited by: Ankhesentapemkah on 28/02/2008 22:56:15
Originally by: Alowishus
Rolling Eyes What if I want a career change? What if after you mine so many roids you can never fit anything other than mining lasers?

Mining roids isn't a crime.

Originally by: Alowishus
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
I don't harm anyone else, so I expect to be left unharmed as well.


Sorry, this idealistic, unrealistic expectation is invalid in just about every aspect of life and I'm terribly sorry that Eve is no exception. Fortunately for you there are other games where this expectation will be fulfilled.

That statement clearly illustrates that you simply don't understand this game and it's not for you.

In real life, when you're guilty of a crime, you're sent to jail, and definately can't go walk around at the mall mugging more people left and right and have your insurance company replace your gun when the cops take it from you.


I must say..you have your skill level of reading still at 0...he wasn't talking about "buying gold can't sell character cause of CCP /whine" He was merely stating that if he had that stupid permanent -10 Sec as in SECURITY status..why should the person he sells his character to, have to suffer the -10 status when they may want to go to highsec...
You are officially stupid..If I see you.. I shall pod you just because I can..of course you are an alt so..*sigh*

Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente
Posted - 2008.03.02 18:23:00 - [240]
 

Originally by: Ryan Darkwolf
I must say..you have your skill level of reading still at 0...he wasn't talking about "buying gold can't sell character cause of CCP /whine" He was merely stating that if he had that stupid permanent -10 Sec as in SECURITY status..why should the person he sells his character to, have to suffer the -10 status when they may want to go to highsec...
You are officially stupid..If I see you.. I shall pod you just because I can..of course you are an alt so..*sigh*


*sigh* Redo basic logic and comprehension 101 please.

I brought up the goldseller example as to that you can ruin your character in a way that it will be be unable to be sold, and that you are responsible for your actions and must face the consequences.

If you ruin your character and leave it with a permanent low security rating and noone wants it, it's your fault. There is no such thing as a right to be able to sell on characters for cash.

If I blow up too many blood/sansha/angels then the character will NEVER be able to run missions for them again either. If you blow up too many player ships.....

You know, consequences. Which should be a lot more permanent than they are now.


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