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Doonoo Boonoo
Posted - 2008.02.29 17:35:00 - [181]
 

Originally by: Stuart Price
And I thought this was a pvp game.


For some players PvP=Player versus Plagiocase


Fitz VonHeise
Eye Bee Em
Stellar Defense Alliance
Posted - 2008.02.29 17:43:00 - [182]
 

Edited by: Fitz VonHeise on 29/02/2008 17:51:58

Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
* No insurance for concord-destroyed ships.

This sounds like the perfect answer.

EDIT: I just opened a petition:

"There is a LOT of people doing High sec ganking and killing ships off like hulks and there are very little consequences.

I suggest that the rules for insurance payout be changed to non-payment for any ships destroyed by Concord."

Quelque Chose
New Eden Roller Disco Supply
Posted - 2008.02.29 17:55:00 - [183]
 

Edited by: Quelque Chose on 29/02/2008 17:55:23
Originally by: Doonoo Boonoo
Originally by: Stuart Price
And I thought this was a pvp game.


For some players PvP=Player versus Plagiocase




That's pretty funny, but what's even funnier is the guy I saw in local last night down at the trade hub going "C'mon, maaaaaaan, somebody gimme 20 mil so I can insure this ship and go get it blown up. **** I hate carebears. :("

If I hang onto the money I make I won't even have to shoot that guy later, though in fairness he doesn't sound like somebody I ought to be worried about. It's a PvP game, sure, but it's not a shooter is it?

Omarvelous
Destry's Lounge
Important Internet Spaceship League
Posted - 2008.02.29 17:58:00 - [184]
 


I'm probably going to be buried in posts here but...

I thought about this topic some more and I wonder what you guys think of it.

Leave the insurance system alone (removing it and you've increased the threshold of suicide ganking to the point of making high sec into no-risk sec).

Instead - if your character has committed crimes that involved Concord - they permanently lose Concord's protection. They go on a Concord blacklist. They can rat their way to high sec status to go anywhere in empire - but they lose Concord's protection, so if a carebear wanted revenge or freaks out that the guy is going to suicide his ship again - he can attack you and defend himself from your first strike - by attacking you first without getting Concorded.

Now suicide ganker has to consider a tank on his gank ship (slightly more difficult repeat customers) - and the whiney carebear has a means to defend themselves ONTOP of the reasons already given (you can FIGHT back and strike first!).

If I suicided in high sec, I'd love this because it would encourage more fights, and I don't need some lame ass Concord protecting me - BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT MEANT TO!

P.S. yarrrrrrrrr YARRRR!!

Sekhmet Orion
Mad-Warping-Maniacs
Posted - 2008.02.29 18:18:00 - [185]
 

Originally by: Omarvelous
so if a carebear wanted revenge or freaks out that the guy is going to suicide his ship again - he can attack you and defend himself from your first strike - by attacking you first without getting Concorded.



So a bit like a Kill right then Wink

Berrik Radhok
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2008.02.29 18:45:00 - [186]
 

Originally by: Omarvelous

I'm probably going to be buried in posts here but...

I thought about this topic some more and I wonder what you guys think of it.

Leave the insurance system alone (removing it and you've increased the threshold of suicide ganking to the point of making high sec into no-risk sec).

Instead - if your character has committed crimes that involved Concord - they permanently lose Concord's protection. They go on a Concord blacklist. They can rat their way to high sec status to go anywhere in empire - but they lose Concord's protection, so if a carebear wanted revenge or freaks out that the guy is going to suicide his ship again - he can attack you and defend himself from your first strike - by attacking you first without getting Concorded.

Now suicide ganker has to consider a tank on his gank ship (slightly more difficult repeat customers) - and the whiney carebear has a means to defend themselves ONTOP of the reasons already given (you can FIGHT back and strike first!).

If I suicided in high sec, I'd love this because it would encourage more fights, and I don't need some lame ass Concord protecting me - BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT MEANT TO!

P.S. yarrrrrrrrr YARRRR!!


This already happens. If your sec status is below a certain level, anyone can shoot you without consequences.

M'ing Pai
The Jagged Edge
Posted - 2008.02.29 18:48:00 - [187]
 

Originally by: Sekhmet Orion

So a bit like a Kill right then Wink


QFT

Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente
Posted - 2008.02.29 18:55:00 - [188]
 

Edited by: Ankhesentapemkah on 29/02/2008 18:54:54
Originally by: Berrik Radhok
This already happens. If your sec status is below a certain level, anyone can shoot you without consequences.


And he wants to make it a permanent thing. That would be nice.

Originally by: Sekhmet Orion
Yeah CCP Wrangler's idea of what EVE should be about is completely irrelevant Laughing

I don't think I've met a more intransigent person before. It is pointless discussing anything with you.

Can you find a quote from CCP in a Dev blog, or anywhere, where they say suicide ganking in empire is to change?

You really are quite a funny little guy

No, what Wrangler said does not relate to what I have said at all.

It's all about action/reaction, if the Goons start using dispropotional force in Empire space and get away with it, then CCP will react by increasing the consequences for this particular behaviour. But such things obviously go over your head.

Sekhmet Orion
Mad-Warping-Maniacs
Posted - 2008.02.29 19:13:00 - [189]
 

Edited by: Sekhmet Orion on 29/02/2008 19:18:15
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah

It's all about action/reaction, if the Goons start using dispropotional force in Empire space and get away with it, then CCP will react by increasing the consequences for this particular behaviour. But such things obviously go over your head.


Obviously the fact that CCP haven't said anything about disproportional force has gone completely over your head ugh

Suicide ganking has gone on in high sec since the start of the game, you would of course know this if you had in fact been playing all those years, and not just bought a character.

For someone who claims to be such an intelligent man, you come across pretty ignorant.

The number of subscriptions has been steadily increasing, the number of concurrent players has been steadily increasing. Doom and gloom merchants like your self, will come and go.








Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2008.02.29 19:29:00 - [190]
 

Originally by: Kestrix
I call myslf a carebear but after reading all the whine and moan threads about podding/ganking/suiside attacks ect in hi- sec I'm beginning to be embaressed by that title. If you want a safe game where you risk nothing go play guildwars. My self I enjoy this game as it is. So if you want to POD people or destroy their ships in Empire good on you, I hope you have a g8 time doing it.


Ah that first, dangerous, thrilling step... YARRRR!!

Ron Bacardi
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2008.02.29 19:46:00 - [191]
 

I think we're all being pro-trolled. Shocked

Omarvelous
Destry's Lounge
Important Internet Spaceship League
Posted - 2008.02.29 19:51:00 - [192]
 

Originally by: Berrik Radhok
Originally by: Omarvelous

I'm probably going to be buried in posts here but...

I thought about this topic some more and I wonder what you guys think of it.

Leave the insurance system alone (removing it and you've increased the threshold of suicide ganking to the point of making high sec into no-risk sec).

Instead - if your character has committed crimes that involved Concord - they permanently lose Concord's protection. They go on a Concord blacklist. They can rat their way to high sec status to go anywhere in empire - but they lose Concord's protection, so if a carebear wanted revenge or freaks out that the guy is going to suicide his ship again - he can attack you and defend himself from your first strike - by attacking you first without getting Concorded.

Now suicide ganker has to consider a tank on his gank ship (slightly more difficult repeat customers) - and the whiney carebear has a means to defend themselves ONTOP of the reasons already given (you can FIGHT back and strike first!).

If I suicided in high sec, I'd love this because it would encourage more fights, and I don't need some lame ass Concord protecting me - BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT MEANT TO!

P.S. yarrrrrrrrr YARRRR!!


This already happens. If your sec status is below a certain level, anyone can shoot you without consequences.


You're preaching to the choir man. Wink

I was trying to suggest kill rights - which some people picked up on heheheh.

Volir
Space Bushido
Posted - 2008.02.29 19:56:00 - [193]
 

Maybe the empire huggers should surrender? What are the Goon's terms?

Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2008.02.29 20:29:00 - [194]
 

Originally by: Ron Bacardi
I think we're all being pro-trolled. Shocked


I'd prefer to think that than believe someone really is that dense.

Oracle Platon
MAFIA
Posted - 2008.02.29 20:59:00 - [195]
 

In this case it should be some kind of bounty system. You should be able to put a bounty on him, and bountyhunters would be able to hunt him in high sec also, catch him and kill him for the crimes he have done.

Rolling Eyes

Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2008.03.01 00:21:00 - [196]
 

Originally by: Volir
Maybe the empire huggers should surrender? What are the Goon's terms?


Noobships!!!! We need noobships!!!!!!

xG3N0CiDEx
Imperial Shipment
Posted - 2008.03.01 00:55:00 - [197]
 

lololololol whiners are so amusing... even tho i didnt finish reading ur crybaby post..

Shadow Joy
Posted - 2008.03.01 01:49:00 - [198]
 

Looks like the op had a small chimp moment.

Nasta443
Posted - 2008.03.01 03:50:00 - [199]
 

lulz only read through the first 3 pages... i bet my pod killing laser that op is a goon alt

Agor Dirdonen
Posted - 2008.03.01 11:37:00 - [200]
 

Edited by: Agor Dirdonen on 01/03/2008 11:40:54
I actually wonder what you really do in the game to enjoy it.

I mean, everything you do, everything has an effect on another player (ok, there's one exception).

You mine roids? You remove potential ore for another player.
You buy a module on the market? Another player eventually will have to pay a higher price for the same module as what you paid.
You shoot npc rats? Somebody else cannot shoot them anymore.
...

These are REAL people that are put to a disadvantage by YOU. They pay their account with REAL money, try to spend REAL time in the game.

So if you want to play a true singleplayer game in Eve, what actually do you do that doesn't effect another player? You can only do courier missions or killmissions in your rookie ship as that is the only thing you can use (remember, buying 'anything' on the market has a negative impact on at least one other player).

If you really want to play a singleplayer game where your actions have no effect on any other player, go play on the Test Server... really. It is reset every so often so any damage you did to other players is removed again by the system itself.

Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente
Posted - 2008.03.01 12:25:00 - [201]
 

Edited by: Ankhesentapemkah on 01/03/2008 12:27:13
Edited by: Ankhesentapemkah on 01/03/2008 12:25:32
Originally by: Agor Dirdonen
Edited by: Agor Dirdonen on 01/03/2008 11:40:54
I actually wonder what you really do in the game to enjoy it.

Already answered that question, go read, it's in this thread.

Originally by: Agor Dirdonen
I mean, everything you do, everything has an effect on another player (ok, there's one exception).

You mine roids? You remove potential ore for another player.
You buy a module on the market? Another player eventually will have to pay a higher price for the same module as what you paid.
You shoot npc rats? Somebody else cannot shoot them anymore.
...

Where I am, most of the roids survive till next respawn anyway.
If I don't buy stuff from other players, maybe it doesn't sell at all, and the seller has to lower his price and thus makes less money. Also, that is compensated by me selling stuff for any price, and traders making a profit off that.
I don't rat.

Originally by: Agor Dirdonen
These are REAL people that are put to a disadvantage by YOU. They pay their account with REAL money, try to spend REAL time in the game.

So if you want to play a true singleplayer game in Eve, what actually do you do that doesn't effect another player? You can only do courier missions or killmissions in your rookie ship as that is the only thing you can use (remember, buying 'anything' on the market has a negative impact on at least one other player).

If you really want to play a singleplayer game where your actions have no effect on any other player, go play on the Test Server... really. It is reset every so often so any damage you did to other players is removed again by the system itself.

I never said I want Eve as singleplayer game, I said I play it as a singleplayer game. I never said I don't want to deal with people in any way, just that my current playstyle is a playstyle that passively avoids them. You think I'm actively avoiding, I'm not.

Do you want an honest answer? You're just a stupid person not worth writing a lengthy reply for.

Ki An
Gallente
The Really Awesome Players
Posted - 2008.03.01 15:20:00 - [202]
 

Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
You're just a stupid person not worth writing a lengthy reply for.


Pretty delicious irony right there. Laughing

D4RK 0NE
testicular Fortitude
Sherwood Forest
Posted - 2008.03.01 18:23:00 - [203]
 

i tried to find some cheese for your whine,but the mice had eaten it..

guess ill go looking for you instead YARRRR!!Twisted Evil





Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente
Posted - 2008.03.01 18:34:00 - [204]
 

The only whiners are you criminals, who stubbornly refuse to accept the fact that law enforcement isn't cracking down hard enough on you, and that it is a logical, realistic and proportional response when Concord and the insurance companies take drastic steps to stop you parasiting scum.

So far, I have not heard any reasonable counter to my arguments:
* void insurance upon Concord involvement in ship destruction
* increase standing penalty for highsec ship/pod destruction

Actually it would be more realistic to:
* make highsec offenders pay for the insurance costs of their victims

Sekhmet Orion
Mad-Warping-Maniacs
Posted - 2008.03.01 18:42:00 - [205]
 

Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
The only whiners are you criminals,


So this thread and the hundreds others like it whining about their precious pixels being blown up, were created by pirates?

You have failed on so many levels so far, now your memory has failed too


Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente
Posted - 2008.03.01 18:48:00 - [206]
 

Originally by: Sekhmet Orion
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
The only whiners are you criminals,


So this thread and the hundreds others like it whining about their precious pixels being blown up, were created by pirates?

You have failed on so many levels so far, now your memory has failed too



I was referring to this thread as I was replying to the poster above me, but of course you just HAD to twist my words and interpret them in such a way so you could pour out some cheap insults.

Anyway, there's a massive whine thread about griefers being unable to wardec and gank corphopping players, why don't you make yourself at home in there?

Dianeces
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2008.03.01 19:15:00 - [207]
 

Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
Originally by: Sekhmet Orion
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
The only whiners are you criminals,


So this thread and the hundreds others like it whining about their precious pixels being blown up, were created by pirates?

You have failed on so many levels so far, now your memory has failed too



I was referring to this thread as I was replying to the poster above me, but of course you just HAD to twist my words and interpret them in such a way so you could pour out some cheap insults.

Anyway, there's a massive whine thread about griefers being unable to wardec and gank corphopping players, why don't you make yourself at home in there?


You are such a terrible failposter. The thread you refrence is about a group of carebears using game mechanics to escape war, i.e. the non-consentual PvP that you agree to when you undock. Furthermore, the use of game mechanics (in this case war declarations) in no way constitutes griefing.

Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente
Posted - 2008.03.01 19:31:00 - [208]
 

Originally by: Dianeces
You are such a terrible failposter. The thread you refrence is about a group of carebears using game mechanics to escape war, i.e. the non-consentual PvP that you agree to when you undock. Furthermore, the use of game mechanics (in this case war declarations) in no way constitutes griefing.


And you still don't understand that we DONT agree to silly griefing "PVP" when we undock, which is exactly what Goonswarm is doing and what those pathetic kiddie corporations are doing. If they want PVP, they can go to lowsec and 0.0, where it is perfectly endorsed and perfectly supported by the game mechanics.

But using holes in the game mechanics to escape grief is evil and using it to cause grief is good eh?

Dianeces
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2008.03.01 19:39:00 - [209]
 

Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
Originally by: Dianeces
You are such a terrible failposter. The thread you refrence is about a group of carebears using game mechanics to escape war, i.e. the non-consentual PvP that you agree to when you undock. Furthermore, the use of game mechanics (in this case war declarations) in no way constitutes griefing.


And you still don't understand that we DONT agree to silly griefing "PVP" when we undock, which is exactly what Goonswarm is doing and what those pathetic kiddie corporations are doing. If they want PVP, they can go to lowsec and 0.0, where it is perfectly endorsed and perfectly supported by the game mechanics.

But using holes in the game mechanics to escape grief is evil and using it to cause grief is good eh?


No. You're still failing. Whether or not you choose to delude yourself into thinking you don't agree to PvP when you undock is your problem. The simple fact of the matter is you do agree to it. If you undock, you can and will be subject to PvP, no questions asked. If you're not docked, you're not safe, period. Furthermore, your continual use of the word "griefing" demonstrates how completely clueless you are. If they want to PvP, they could go to lowsec and 0.0, or they could do it in highsec and watch all the ridiculous carebears floating about whine and cry bitter, bitter tears which taste so sweet. You may as well try and adapt, because it isn't going away anytime soon.

D4RK 0NE
testicular Fortitude
Sherwood Forest
Posted - 2008.03.01 19:40:00 - [210]
 

your tears... so tastyTwisted Evil

its people like you that make my day Laughing

please continue, as theres nothing better than seeing a fool fall on his face over and over and over....Rolling Eyes




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