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Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente
Posted - 2008.02.29 15:23:00 - [151]
 

Originally by: Jade Chicken
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
Highsec is supposed to be SAFER and Concord is supposed to provide CONSEQUENCES and currently neither is the case.


Highsec IS SAFER and CONCORD DOES provide CONSEQUENCES.

If people can gank miner again and again and again and again, then clearly it is not safer and Concord isn't doing anything to stop them. Yeah it requires a little bit more effort than it does in lowsec, which is why it's not as common in highsec, but that's just a false sense of safety, because if people do put a little bit of effort in it, they can kill you, not once, but whenever they please. Thus highsec is not safe at all as the current ruleset allows for all this garbage to go relatively unpunished just as it allows for it in lowsec/0.0.

Originally by: Jade Chicken
Here's a little story I've compiled about someone who needs some perscription medication:

If there are people that need to be treated, it are those griefers, that should be locked away and rehabilitated into friendly productive members of society, instead of running around griefing people left and right because it makes their twisted minds feel aroused.

Ki An
Gallente
The Really Awesome Players
Posted - 2008.02.29 15:27:00 - [152]
 

Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah

If people can gank miner again and again and again and again, then clearly it is not safer and Concord isn't doing anything to stop them. Yeah it requires a little bit more effort than it does in lowsec, which is why it's not as common in highsec, but that's just a false sense of safety, because if people do put a little bit of effort in it, they can kill you, not once, but whenever they please. Thus highsec is not safe at all as the current ruleset allows for all this garbage to go relatively unpunished just as it allows for it in lowsec/0.0.



EVREKA! Welcome to Eve. This is exactly what we've been trying to tell you. There is no absolute security in Eve. You can be killed anywhere anytime. That's the bloody POINT!

HakanSherif
Minmatar
Brutor Tribe
Posted - 2008.02.29 15:28:00 - [153]
 

Well maybe to satisfy the carebears a bit the sec hit penalties can be increased for high sec aggression, prolly makes sense too but thats about it.

Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente
Posted - 2008.02.29 15:33:00 - [154]
 

Originally by: HakanSherif
Well maybe to satisfy the carebears a bit the sec hit penalties can be increased for high sec aggression, prolly makes sense too but thats about it.

And that's the only thing I ask for.

* No insurance for concord-destroyed ships.
* Higher security status hit for ship kills in high-sec only.

But that would somehow completely ruin Eve for some people. Rolling Eyes

Ki An
Gallente
The Really Awesome Players
Posted - 2008.02.29 15:33:00 - [155]
 

Edited by: Ki An on 29/02/2008 15:34:41
Originally by: HakanSherif
Well maybe to satisfy the carebears a bit the sec hit penalties can be increased for high sec aggression, prolly makes sense too but thats about it.


What's enough though? And even if it was insta -10 they would still complain, because there would still be suicide ganks.

Fact is, the system is fine. It doesn't need change. The people who feel it does needs to quit the game.

BTW, Ankhewhatever... do you have any alts? Is that character your main?

Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente
Posted - 2008.02.29 15:36:00 - [156]
 

Edited by: Ankhesentapemkah on 29/02/2008 15:37:37
Originally by: Ki An
EVREKA! Welcome to Eve. This is exactly what we've been trying to tell you. There is no absolute security in Eve. You can be killed anywhere anytime. That's the bloody POINT!

And then what's the bloody point of highsec?

Or are you one of the guys that whines to remove highsec alltogether?

Originally by: Ki An
BTW, Ankhewhatever... do you have any alts? Is that character your main?


Why do you ask, so you can come grief me out of the game? I'd say it's none of your business.

Ki An
Gallente
The Really Awesome Players
Posted - 2008.02.29 15:41:00 - [157]
 

Edited by: Ki An on 29/02/2008 15:43:23
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah

And then what's the bloody point of highsec?

Or are you one of the guys that whines to remove highsec alltogether?


The point of highsec is that it is SAFER!!! And don't go on saying that it isn't, because that's a blatant lie. You are really getting on my nerves, but arguing with stupid people always does that to me.

Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah

Why do you ask, so you can come grief me out of the game? I'd say it's none of your business.


Yes, that's exactly why I ask. Man up and tell me the name of your main so I can make it my personal mission to suicide gank you back to a noob ship plz.

PS. You still haven't told me the names of any games you've designed. Please tell me because I'm really interested. Or are you one of those 'game designers' who've got an unlisenced copy of 3Dstudio Max and put together a few lines of C++ codes to make a blocky man walk around on a polygon?

Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente
Posted - 2008.02.29 15:45:00 - [158]
 

Originally by: Ki An
The point of highsec is that it is SAFER!!! And don't go on saying that it isn't, because that's a blatant lie. You are really getting on my nerves, but arguing with stupid people always does that to me.

Maybe the forums isn't for you then. Twisted Evil

Originally by: Ki An
Yes, that's exactly why I ask. Man up and tell me the name of your main so I can make it my personal mission to suicide gank you back to a noob ship plz.

And that would be productive or enjoyable how? You'd waste your time for what? Obsessive/compulsive much?

M'ing Pai
The Jagged Edge
Posted - 2008.02.29 15:45:00 - [159]
 

Originally by: Ki An

Yes, that's exactly why I ask. Man up and tell me the name of your main so I can make it my personal mission to suicide gank you back to a noob ship plz.



Ki An, when you find out, if you find out apart from the forums, could you let me know in-game? I'd like to accompany you on that expedition. You know where to find me.

Bahhs Deep
Posted - 2008.02.29 15:46:00 - [160]
 

Holy sh*t this has become a truly epic thread!Shocked

Malcanis
Caldari
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2008.02.29 15:48:00 - [161]
 

Originally by: Antodias
So you're a super game programmer and have been playing EVE since its inception, but you:
-still can't distinguish between real life and the game and -still insist on playing it when it clearly promotes PvP/PKing which you find "immoral"?

I've lost plenty of ships and pods. Some from PvP and a few from suicide ganking, and I have very little ISK at any one time. But I don't log off and throw my monitor at the wall and then type out a huge rant, I adapt and get on with it.

I've been playing for only 2 years, yet I see this huge rants all the time and they always get flamed to hell. Thus I find it very hard to believe that you've actually been playing for 4 years and expect everyone to have an epiphany when they read your posts.


4 years...? 4 years in a single corp, then left and stayed in a noobcorp since last July.

Diagnosis: 5 year old character that was sold last summer. Player is about 8 months old.

Ki An
Gallente
The Really Awesome Players
Posted - 2008.02.29 15:53:00 - [162]
 

Edited by: Ki An on 29/02/2008 15:54:34
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah

Maybe the forums isn't for you then. Twisted Evil


Nono, while you do get on my nerves, it also gets the ol' ticker beating. I can always imagine what grief I'm gonna put you through to calm me down.

Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah

And that would be productive or enjoyable how? You'd waste your time for what? Obsessive/compulsive much?


Productive -> I would be doing my fellow eve-players a favor by taking you out of the game. We could then enjoy OUR game without your disruption.

Enjoyable -> I don't even need to explain this one, do I? I mean, your tears would sustain me for years.

Waste of time -> Not a waste at all. I'd be willing to dedicate myself to taking you out completely. It's fun and profitable.

Obsessive/compulsive -> While that's a laugh coming from you, sure, go ahead and call me that. I'm going to be extremely obsessive about making sure your enjoyment of this game diminishes to zero, that's for sure.

Oh, and don't worry M'ing. I'll be sure to let everyone know Smile

PS. Tell me the name of a game you've designed plz. I want to play a game based on your ***** life philosophy.


Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente
Posted - 2008.02.29 15:53:00 - [163]
 

Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Antodias
So you're a super game programmer and have been playing EVE since its inception, but you:
-still can't distinguish between real life and the game and -still insist on playing it when it clearly promotes PvP/PKing which you find "immoral"?

I've lost plenty of ships and pods. Some from PvP and a few from suicide ganking, and I have very little ISK at any one time. But I don't log off and throw my monitor at the wall and then type out a huge rant, I adapt and get on with it.

I've been playing for only 2 years, yet I see this huge rants all the time and they always get flamed to hell. Thus I find it very hard to believe that you've actually been playing for 4 years and expect everyone to have an epiphany when they read your posts.


4 years...? 4 years in a single corp, then left and stayed in a noobcorp since last July.

Diagnosis: 5 year old character that was sold last summer. Player is about 8 months old.

It clearly sais that I've been in Aliastra for 4 years and 7 months... I was in a corp when Eve got started but that didn't last long as all my carebear friends quit in months Laughing

Jade Chicken
Posted - 2008.02.29 15:53:00 - [164]
 

I have a couple of high sec chars that've never, ever been killed, years and still on the original clone and implants. I sometimes venture into lowsec for courier missions but I run one char as a scout. My main, which has lived predominantly in 0.0 and lowsec for the past four years has been killed something like 100 times.

I split my time equally between my bears and my main. The fact is that in practice highsec IS safer. It's so safe that I've never been killed by a player with my highsec alts in four years of mining, trading, mission running and industry. I still realize I can be killed and I take precautions to avoid this but not nearly the precautions I do with my main. With my main I rarely ever leave my home system and I have scan spots 1500km from every gate I use, I don't even go to gates unless my friends are there and I have scouts up in adjacent systems. I play it very safe out there.

By comparison highsec is relaxed, almost to the point of sleepiness. You've never been to lowsec or 0.0, as you've stated many times, because you don't want to go there. Thus you have no basis for comparison when you say highsec needs to be safer. I suggest you do some research before making these assertions that, in practice, are totally false.

You saying highsec isn't safe enough is like saying pizza doesn't taste that much better than dog poop after never having tried dog poop. It's a totally invalid assertion.

Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente
Posted - 2008.02.29 16:01:00 - [165]
 

Originally by: Ki An
Productive -> I would be doing my fellow eve-players a favor by taking you out of the game. We could then enjoy OUR game without your disruption.

Enjoyable -> I don't even need to explain this one, do I? I mean, your tears would sustain me for years.


I'll laugh when CCP ineviably rebalances highsec consequences while you and your compatriots are fuming and stomping your feet here at the forums and whine how unfair it is that they are limited in griefing other people in highsec. Laughing

Originally by: Ki An
Waste of time -> Not a waste at all. I'd be willing to dedicate myself to taking you out completely. It's fun and profitable.

Obsessive/compulsive -> While that's a laugh coming from you, sure, go ahead and call me that. I'm going to be extremely obsessive about making sure your enjoyment of this game diminishes to zero, that's for sure.

Oh come on, I hardly need to fit anything to run missions, and like I said, if that gets too risky, I can always do l2 courrier missions, of which the majority can be done in a shuttle. You're more than welcome to go chasing and looting those. Twisted Evil

Ki An
Gallente
The Really Awesome Players
Posted - 2008.02.29 16:06:00 - [166]
 

Edited by: Ki An on 29/02/2008 16:11:40
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah

I'll laugh when CCP ineviably rebalances highsec consequences while you and your compatriots are fuming and stomping your feet here at the forums and whine how unfair it is that they are limited in griefing other people in highsec. Laughing


Hope you've braced for a hell of a ride before "CCP inevitably rebalances highsec", cause if you plan on using this character for anything else than forum posturing, you're going to cry salty tears. And, if CCP finally does decide to cave in to whiny ass carebears like you, I have the possibility of playing another game. You do too, but you don't wanna because you think you're entitled to 'remodel' a game to suit your style of play at the expense of everyone else. Selfish 5 year old much?

Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah

Oh come on, I hardly need to fit anything to run missions, and like I said, if that gets too risky, I can always do l2 courrier missions, of which the majority can be done in a shuttle. You're more than welcome to go chasing and looting those. Twisted Evil


Well, if not profitable, it's still going to be fun. Oh, and I won't loot if you bring crap. I'll just blow you up. Again and again and again.

PS. Please tell me the name of a game you have designed. Please please please. Was it Hello Kitty online? Second Life? Wally Bear Furratorium? Habo Hotel? Come on, don't keep us in suspense.


Mo Steel
Caldari
Sanguis vix Dignatio
Posted - 2008.02.29 16:15:00 - [167]
 

Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
If people can gank miner again and again and again and again, then clearly it is not safer and Concord isn't doing anything to stop them. Yeah it requires a little bit more effort than it does in lowsec, which is why it's not as common in highsec, but that's just a false sense of safety, because if people do put a little bit of effort in it, they can kill you, not once, but whenever they please. Thus highsec is not safe at all as the current ruleset allows for all this garbage to go relatively unpunished just as it allows for it in lowsec/0.0.


You know, there are modules you can fit to combat these enemies. Most aren't listed under "Mining Lasers" though.

Two things:

1. Posting in epic fail thread. o/
2. I'm offended by your mining of asteroids in high security. That's right, it offends me. How dare you.

Icutty Lotz
Clearly Compensating
Posted - 2008.02.29 16:24:00 - [168]
 

yes i agree with the poster concord need to be more realistic in order to do this u have to call concord and tell them your getting attacked and with rl response times like

.8-1.0 somewere between 2-5min

.7-.6 5-7min

.5 10-15min(20 if they stop for donuts)

if the attacker is Minmatar then after concord blows up the ship they beat the pod down to 1 hp and they shut down the area around the attack to collect evidence.

but really this is a good part of the game i got mad when they made warp sraming agro pods a crime (had someone sitting there for 2h wile i went out for a wile Very Happy). This is part of the game it has always been in the game deal with it

o and goon don't stop till trit is above 10 isk each

Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente
Posted - 2008.02.29 16:41:00 - [169]
 

Originally by: Ki An
Hope you've braced for a hell of a ride before "CCP inevitably rebalances highsec", cause if you plan on using this character for anything else than forum posturing, you're going to cry salty tears. And, if CCP finally does decide to cave in to whiny ass carebears like you, I have the possibility of playing another game. You do too, but you don't wanna because you think you're entitled to 'remodel' a game to suit your style of play at the expense of everyone else. Selfish 5 year old much?

CPP won't cave in to whiny carebears, they will look at the game and conclude: "Hey, this nonsense they players are doing is currently tolerated by game mechanics, but isn't what we intended, let's change it".

Originally by: Ki An
Well, if not profitable, it's still going to be fun. Oh, and I won't loot if you bring crap. I'll just blow you up. Again and again and again.

PS. Please tell me the name of a game you have designed. Please please please. Was it Hello Kitty online? Second Life? Wally Bear Furratorium? Habo Hotel? Come on, don't keep us in suspense.

Well then I'll just fly around in crap ships. Come waste your time on me. Attrition will be in my favor. I'll have so much fun, this time I don't even need to shoot at you and you still lose.

And just why should I disclose any personal information on a forum? You could post your adress first, maybe I can send you some nice fluffy soft furry carebeary postcards to ease your pain. ugh

More serious: I'm under a full NDA and can't tell what I'm currently working on, not even the genre of the game or who the contractors are. I'll give a link to a spare time project in exchange for your adress though.

Ki An
Gallente
The Really Awesome Players
Posted - 2008.02.29 16:44:00 - [170]
 

Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah

More serious: I'm under a full NDA and can't tell what I'm currently working on, not even the genre of the game or who the contractors are. I'll give a link to a spare time project in exchange for your adress though.


So you haven't done any games in the past then? But you are a game designer now? Seriously, you've got to do better than that if you're gonna play the "I'm a game designer" card.

BTW, I'm a RL astronaut. Here's a picture I took out the window of my space ship.

Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente
Posted - 2008.02.29 16:49:00 - [171]
 

Originally by: Ki An
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah

More serious: I'm under a full NDA and can't tell what I'm currently working on, not even the genre of the game or who the contractors are. I'll give a link to a spare time project in exchange for your adress though.


So you haven't done any games in the past then? But you are a game designer now? Seriously, you've got to do better than that if you're gonna play the "I'm a game designer" card.

BTW, I'm a RL astronaut. Here's a picture I took out the window of my space ship.


Oh yeah I did, but those were small games. Kiddie games too. I hated them, but you need to start somewhere.

And what is your obsession with trying to figure out what I'm doing in real life, what business is it of yours?

Still waiting for your adress.

KapnKaboom
School of Applied Knowledge
Posted - 2008.02.29 16:50:00 - [172]
 

Ahahahahahaha! This thread is just chock full of win! Keep up the great work guys! Fill the whole galaxy with carebear blood and tears! Laughing

Sekhmet Orion
Mad-Warping-Maniacs
Posted - 2008.02.29 16:55:00 - [173]
 

Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
they will look at the game and conclude: "Hey, this nonsense they players are doing is currently tolerated by game mechanics, but isn't what we intended, let's change it".



Laughing Are you sure you've been playing for 4 years. Do you recognise this quote

Originally by: CCP Wrangler
EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.


Keep it up, this thread is a comedy gold mine.


Ki An
Gallente
The Really Awesome Players
Posted - 2008.02.29 17:02:00 - [174]
 

Originally by: Sekhmet Orion

Laughing Are you sure you've been playing for 4 years. Do you recognise this quote



He hasn't been playing for four years. He bought his character and now eeks out a living in Empire while dreaming about being a RL game designer so he can design a game that will only allow nice people to play. It has to do with his abused background you see. Take a look earlier in this thread for tidbits from that.


Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente
Posted - 2008.02.29 17:03:00 - [175]
 

Originally by: Sekhmet Orion
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
they will look at the game and conclude: "Hey, this nonsense they players are doing is currently tolerated by game mechanics, but isn't what we intended, let's change it".



Laughing Are you sure you've been playing for 4 years. Do you recognise this quote

Originally by: CCP Wrangler
EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.


Keep it up, this thread is a comedy gold mine.


Completely irrelevant and missing the point.

If they wanted highsec to be a free for all gankfest with no consequence for murder, they'd drop highsec. Since they have not, it's supposed to be somewhat safer than lowsec eh?

Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente
Posted - 2008.02.29 17:04:00 - [176]
 

Originally by: Ki An
He hasn't been playing for four years. He bought his character and now eeks out a living in Empire while dreaming about being a RL game designer so he can design a game that will only allow nice people to play. It has to do with his abused background you see. Take a look earlier in this thread for tidbits from that.

Whatever man, I don't have to prove anything to you, and I don't ugh one bit if you believe me or not.

Sekhmet Orion
Mad-Warping-Maniacs
Posted - 2008.02.29 17:09:00 - [177]
 

Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah

Completely irrelevant and missing the point.

If they wanted highsec to be a free for all gankfest with no consequence for murder, they'd drop highsec. Since they have not, it's supposed to be somewhat safer than lowsec eh?


Yeah CCP Wrangler's idea of what EVE should be about is completely irrelevant Laughing

I don't think I've met a more intransigent person before. It is pointless discussing anything with you.

Can you find a quote from CCP in a Dev blog, or anywhere, where they say suicide ganking in empire is to change?

You really are quite a funny little guy




Berrik Radhok
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2008.02.29 17:11:00 - [178]
 

Quote:

As for why it is immoral, it's because there is a REAL person on the other end, someone that invested REAL time and REAL effort to get money to purchase the ship and fittings.



Why do you think so many do it? Because it makes real people whine and post hilarious things on the forums about how they shouldn't have to be subject to PVP in a PVP game.

Fine, whatever, you put in effort. Put in some more effort to protect your investment instead of crying all over the forums because CCP won't do it for you.

I'm glad the feelings of people I kill are hurt-- it means they're more likely to do something about it, like mabye come after me and give me a good fight at some point in the future.

EVE Online is not politically correct. We are not required to make sure your feelings are not hurt, and neither is CCP. On the contrary, we are quite allowed to make your EVE experience a living hell for so long as you won't defend yourself.

You are basically every carebear stereotype rolled into one, and your attitude is why a lot of 0.0 and low sec pilots consider empire pilots to be little more than food or entertainment (or both).

Kestrix
Posted - 2008.02.29 17:18:00 - [179]
 

I call myslf a carebear but after reading all the whine and moan threads about podding/ganking/suiside attacks ect in hi- sec I'm beginning to be embaressed by that title. If you want a safe game where you risk nothing go play guildwars. My self I enjoy this game as it is. So if you want to POD people or destroy their ships in Empire good on you, I hope you have a g8 time doing it.

Tanshi Daiko
Posted - 2008.02.29 17:21:00 - [180]
 

I think the real issue comes down to being one of worthiness. It's one thing to be able to kill someone, but there are surely some kills out there that simply are not worth the bother.

A person can squash ants all he likes, but he isnt badass or tough for killing them. If he hunts a deer or heck, wrestles an alligator, he is considered worthy of praise.

There is a real pvp tendency in this game to shoot blindly at anything that moves and to believe that shooting is somehow valuable, when really its the target and the achievement that hold the value. If this wasnt so, then you may as well spend your days shooting cargo cans.

The so called Jihad on miners and suicide attacks certainly show a degree of power, which i can respect. Goonswarm is capable of influencing the fate of the whole world or the whole game. That's power and thats EVE.

What would be interesting would be if Goonswarm made a serious attempt to totally destroy either Highsec as a viable place to mine or mining itself. With a sustained killing frenzy, it would certainly be possible to do this and that would be noteworthy indeed.

What i want to know is...how long will they keep this up and will they have the guts to shake EVE's foundations?


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