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Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente
Posted - 2008.02.29 04:11:00 - [91]
 

Originally by: Dianeces
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah

Originally by: Berrik Radhok
Low sec is a lot less safe than Empire, you fool. At least in Empire you won't run into a carrier or mothership.

If I could run into a carrier or mothership, it means I COULD FLY ONE TOO. Fool.



Please tell me when you get a carrier or mothership. I'd like to be on a comedy killmail.

The moment they can be built and fly around in highsec.

Lhyda Souljacker
Gallente
GoonFleet
Band of Brothers
Posted - 2008.02.29 04:13:00 - [92]
 

Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
The moment they can be built and fly around in highsec.


They can already be built and flown around in highsec. CCP doesn't like it but it's possible.

Also, you've been playing for four years and didn't know this?

Alowishus
the united
Negative Ten.
Posted - 2008.02.29 04:15:00 - [93]
 

Originally by: Lhyda Souljacker
Actually you agree to PVP when you undock.


This is the part of the social contract (of Eve) that people seem to miss.

Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente
Posted - 2008.02.29 04:16:00 - [94]
 

Originally by: Malcanis
The irony of that post is amazing, since "whine about it, and stick your fingers in your ears shouting lalala" is exactly your position. See the great thing about that "non-consensual" part is even if you don't agree that you've agreed, you have still agreed anyway.

That's why I never return fire even if I lose another ship to it. Hurting other people is immoral.

Originally by: Malcanis
If CCP intended for hi-sec to be safe, they could very simply have made it impossible to lock other players in hi-sec. Simple as that. Ta-dah! Problem solved with a simple variable, about as difficult to program as 10 PRINT "HELLO WORLD". But oh look, they didn't. You can whine about that, stick your fingers in your ears and chant lalala, but there the fact is.

And that's why it's so great that Goonswarm is showing the problems with the current system. I'm sure this will be fixed eventually.

Originally by: Malcanis
Anyway by now I've concluded that you're either a troll or an idiot, or possibly both. However, I've added you to my address book, since your stubborn refusal to deal with reality indicates that there's easy profit to be had from ganking you and taking your stuff.

Like I said, just ask for my corpse and you'll get it. I won't even shoot back. Just get in line and wait your turn.

Alowishus
the united
Negative Ten.
Posted - 2008.02.29 04:18:00 - [95]
 

Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
That's why I never return fire even if I lose another ship to it. Hurting other people is immoral.


You can't hurt people in a game.

This is my last post as you're obviously a troll that is incapable of reason.

Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente
Posted - 2008.02.29 04:20:00 - [96]
 

Originally by: Lhyda Souljacker
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
The moment they can be built and fly around in highsec.


They can already be built and flown around in highsec. CCP doesn't like it but it's possible.

Also, you've been playing for four years and didn't know this?


Fly around as in, not being stuck in one system, because that's the limitation as far as I know.

That and you need the infrastructure for it, and I doubt that the current owners will just build another highsec capship for someone they don't know.

Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente
Posted - 2008.02.29 04:21:00 - [97]
 

Originally by: Alowishus
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
That's why I never return fire even if I lose another ship to it. Hurting other people is immoral.


You can't hurt people in a game.

In a multiplayer game, you can, even by as simple as using 'jihad' as far as I can tell from that whinethread in general.

Originally by: Alowishus
This is my last post as you're obviously a troll that is incapable of reason.

Bye bye, you won't be missed.

Varly
Posted - 2008.02.29 04:31:00 - [98]
 

What does CCP say about PVP in Eve?

EXPERIENCE AN MMO UNIVERSE LIKE NO OTHER


THE MOST INTENSE PvP INTERFACE

Award-winning Player-vs-Player, ship-to-ship combat engagements that risk some of the most severe death penalties of any MMO.
----

This is the game CCP advertises. This is the game you are playing. If you are not enjoying the most severe death penalties you were promised, you may enjoy some of the other games mentioned elsewhere in this thread.

Tai Paktu
Aperture Harmonics
Posted - 2008.02.29 04:34:00 - [99]
 

I was going to comment on this wall of text followed by whines and flames, but to be completely honest I saw EvE and RL in the same sentence and stopped.

Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente
Posted - 2008.02.29 04:34:00 - [100]
 

Originally by: Varly
What does CCP say about PVP in Eve?

EXPERIENCE AN MMO UNIVERSE LIKE NO OTHER


THE MOST INTENSE PvP INTERFACE

Award-winning Player-vs-Player, ship-to-ship combat engagements that risk some of the most severe death penalties of any MMO.
----

This is the game CCP advertises. This is the game you are playing. If you are not enjoying the most severe death penalties you were promised, you may enjoy some of the other games mentioned elsewhere in this thread.

So, that doesn't prove anything.

Highsec is not lowsec, and should be SAFER.

Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente
Posted - 2008.02.29 04:35:00 - [101]
 

Originally by: Tai Paktu
I was going to comment on this wall of text followed by whines and flames, but to be completely honest I saw EvE and RL in the same sentence and stopped.

Funny how people always quote RL salvage laws when it comes to people salvaging other people's wrecks. Rolling Eyes

Dianeces
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2008.02.29 04:42:00 - [102]
 

Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
Originally by: Varly
What does CCP say about PVP in Eve?

EXPERIENCE AN MMO UNIVERSE LIKE NO OTHER


THE MOST INTENSE PvP INTERFACE

Award-winning Player-vs-Player, ship-to-ship combat engagements that risk some of the most severe death penalties of any MMO.
----

This is the game CCP advertises. This is the game you are playing. If you are not enjoying the most severe death penalties you were promised, you may enjoy some of the other games mentioned elsewhere in this thread.

So, that doesn't prove anything.

Highsec is not lowsec, and should be SAFER.


Good thing it is. Otherwise no freighters would ever enter or leave Jita.

Ackaroth
Plundering Penguins
Anarchy.
Posted - 2008.02.29 04:42:00 - [103]
 

Life is hard... get a helmet.

Jade Chicken
Posted - 2008.02.29 04:44:00 - [104]
 

Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
Highsec is not lowsec, and should be SAFER.
'

High sec is safer (but still not 100% safe, of course) due to the consequences that are already in place. You're delusional if you don't think that the fear of ship loss prevents PvP in high sec to an acceptable degree. Look at how populous high sec is, can you imagine the carnage that'd be taking place if it were not safer? Don't kid yourself.


duckmonster
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2008.02.29 05:52:00 - [105]
 

May I suggest a little game called "A tale in the desert". Theres no non consentual PVP as there is no pvp. You get to run around and do exciting things like;-
Hugging
Dancing
Talking
Running
Jumping up and down

And you can build a huge space ship sculpture out of reeds which you can laugh about as others tell you that "Dude. There was no spaceships in eve." to which you roll your eyes and say "HOW WHERE THE PYRAMIDS BUILT THEN DUMBO?"

Calimor
Caldari
GK inc.
Posted - 2008.02.29 06:49:00 - [106]
 

Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
Originally by: Varly
What does CCP say about PVP in Eve?

EXPERIENCE AN MMO UNIVERSE LIKE NO OTHER


THE MOST INTENSE PvP INTERFACE

Award-winning Player-vs-Player, ship-to-ship combat engagements that risk some of the most severe death penalties of any MMO.
----

This is the game CCP advertises. This is the game you are playing. If you are not enjoying the most severe death penalties you were promised, you may enjoy some of the other games mentioned elsewhere in this thread.

So, that doesn't prove anything.

Highsec is not lowsec, and should be SAFER.


And I thought the other thread was fun :D

Please, keep whining. Your tears are absolutely delicious and are making us giggle in satisfaction.

Marcus TheMartin
Gallente
Tuxedo.
Posted - 2008.02.29 06:53:00 - [107]
 

Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
Originally by: Varly
What does CCP say about PVP in Eve?

EXPERIENCE AN MMO UNIVERSE LIKE NO OTHER


THE MOST INTENSE PvP INTERFACE

Award-winning Player-vs-Player, ship-to-ship combat engagements that risk some of the most severe death penalties of any MMO.
----

This is the game CCP advertises. This is the game you are playing. If you are not enjoying the most severe death penalties you were promised, you may enjoy some of the other games mentioned elsewhere in this thread.

So, that doesn't prove anything.

Highsec is not lowsec, and should be SAFER.


It is safer

Dai Nau
Mothership Connection Inc.
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2008.02.29 08:04:00 - [108]
 

high sec is more dangerous for a hulk than 0.0

Marcus Quo
Axe Gang
Posted - 2008.02.29 08:42:00 - [109]
 

I had a well thought out, quality post. Then I read the whinefest that was going on in here, and decided to re-do my post. Here it is:

LULZ

Berrik Radhok
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2008.02.29 08:57:00 - [110]
 

Quote:

That's why I never return fire even if I lose another ship to it. Hurting other people is immoral.



Why?

Logi3
Posted - 2008.02.29 09:23:00 - [111]
 

Sorry but that made me lol "Wont shoot people in a virtual game as its immoral"

Pay a ransom to save your pod otherwise its toast. Im sure there are some good bible mmorpgs out there you would like? AMazing quests like "Help John the OAP across the road"

Ki An
Gallente
The Really Awesome Players
Posted - 2008.02.29 09:27:00 - [112]
 

Edited by: Ki An on 29/02/2008 09:52:00
Originally by: Berrik Radhok
Quote:

That's why I never return fire even if I lose another ship to it. Hurting other people is immoral.



Why?


Because its wrong!

But this thread is soooooo right. I love it.

PS. Also this.

Dai Nau
Mothership Connection Inc.
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2008.02.29 09:49:00 - [113]
 

when I play counterstrike I always disarm myself right off because killing is immoral

Tuberider
Pothouse Cartel
IDLE EMPIRE
Posted - 2008.02.29 10:21:00 - [114]
 

epic
mommy please make the bad men leave me alone Shocked
i made the mistake of killing 2 npc frigs at a gate and had to pod another 10 pilots just to get back to -10 Twisted Evil


И люди сделали rejoice и пировали на овечках и жабах и vale-sloths и плодоовощ-letucix мышах и orangutans и каши для завтрака Laughing

Ron Bacardi
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2008.02.29 10:28:00 - [115]
 

Edited by: Ron Bacardi on 29/02/2008 10:37:08
Edited by: Ron Bacardi on 29/02/2008 10:34:38
I'm sorry Ank and whoever else is agreeing with him/her, i didnt really read the entire thread, but seriously?

People will play however they want within the rules of the game. If it doesnt violate the rules of the game, you can do it. Can I please petition the makers of Monopoly because grandma kicks my ass every time? NO

Remember...

Eve is a video game....

Repeat that.....VIDEO GAME

You're getting worked up and comparing real life to a VIDEO GAME

REAL LIFE =/= VIDEO GAME

As cool as that would be, (god knows I would love to warp to work or shoot zombies or jump on mushrooms with eyes and feet that waddle about while wearing a plumber's outfit or swing a sweet sword while rescuing some sort of princess or find 40 people from 8 classes to follow me through some crazy place for a few hours in the hope that we dont all die killing some giant monster that might drop that sweet hat i want or maybe i can bounce a little white ball off a wall and then try and stop it from passing me......)

Video games are all meaningless and irrelevant to real life except as a time sink and source of entertainment that isnt watching tv, a movie, going boozing or masturbating.

Video games allow you to do what you can't in real life, in this case, play spaceships.

What you want (super harsh penalties), doesnt exist in this game at the moment. What they are doing, is legal within the game mechanics at this point in time. Enough said. People need to stop whining about everything because they are getting the short end of the stick at a certain point in time. Did you ever stop to think, that maybe, if you ignored it, or did something else for awhile, the bees...might...leave? And find something else to do? But that all the drama everyone else is generating is fueling them?

Mad props to everyone(JihadGoonies, Sex Panthers dude, other pirates, anti-pirates, whatever bloody alliance you're in, EVERYONE who knows this is a game) who does whatever they want while playing a video game they pay to play and they play to enjoy in whatever way suits them. Cool

EDIT: ZOMG thought that'd be censored

Antodias
Ship spinners inc
Posted - 2008.02.29 10:33:00 - [116]
 

So you're a super game programmer and have been playing EVE since its inception, but you:
-still can't distinguish between real life and the game and -still insist on playing it when it clearly promotes PvP/PKing which you find "immoral"?

I've lost plenty of ships and pods. Some from PvP and a few from suicide ganking, and I have very little ISK at any one time. But I don't log off and throw my monitor at the wall and then type out a huge rant, I adapt and get on with it.

I've been playing for only 2 years, yet I see this huge rants all the time and they always get flamed to hell. Thus I find it very hard to believe that you've actually been playing for 4 years and expect everyone to have an epiphany when they read your posts.

Kribu
Minmatar
BLACK LABEL INC
Malum Exuro
Posted - 2008.02.29 11:49:00 - [117]
 

Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
Originally by: Conq Er
Edited by: Conq Er on 29/02/2008 02:37:27
So who else is running locator agents on Ankhesentapemkah now? YARRRR!!YARRRR!!YARRRR!!


If you want my corpse, you can just ASK and it will be given. No need to go through any trouble or lose a ship over it. I'll even throw in some exotic dancers, if you want them.


Can you please contract me your corpse and some exotic dancers?

Please do that in Jita 4-4.

ktxbye

Lil'Red Ridin'Hood
Evolution
IT Alliance
Posted - 2008.02.29 11:56:00 - [118]
 

If you ask CCP really nicely, they might build a "bank guards recsu recdu" macro as your personal I-win-button. They might even throw in an "I ban thee" macro to remove all other (potentially evil) players from the system you're traveling in.

And regaining sec status (from my personal experience) is very time consuming, not to mention utterly boring. It's nothing like the "kill a few rats" as you put it. It's more like "kill a few hundred rats" - if not thousands.

Astradamus
Posted - 2008.02.29 12:17:00 - [119]
 

Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah

That's why I never return fire even if I lose another ship to it. Hurting other people is immoral.


You are definitely playing the wrong game. You re even "hurting" them by selling items for a lower
price like they do. You are hurting them by mining the roids, clearing the complexes/sites...
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah

And that's why it's so great that Goonswarm is showing the problems with the current system. I'm sure this will be fixed eventually.


I dont like the idea of (suicide-)killing in high-sec without making money out of it, i agree this
is "griefing". However, pod-killing has a very harsh security hit on your sec-status. Attacking and
wrecking ships on the other side not.
There are different possibilities to "adjust" the parameters of the security system like getting
higher hits or being denied to enter higher sec systems at a higher sec-status... whatever.
But what shimmers through all your argumentation is that you dont want to have an adjustment but
more a no-one-can-touch-me-and-if-he-does-he-wont-be-able-to-play-this-game-anymore-where-i-am-around
high sec.
I can understand your point but the game mechanics, like they are implemented right now, may have
an adjustment but they shouldnt be changed. I really think you would be better off in another game.
And i dont say that EvE is to "hard" for you or all this immature teenie talk, but it may not really fit
your expectation or joy you like to get if you are playing it.

Astradamus

Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente
Posted - 2008.02.29 12:34:00 - [120]
 

Originally by: Dianeces
Good thing it is. Otherwise no freighters would ever enter or leave Jita.

Just because it requires a bit more effort doesn't make it much safer. If Goons or whoever else would say that freighters are no longer allowed, and started to suicide gank them all, who's going to do anything about that? The game mechanics allow it, so it's fine?

Originally by: Jade Chicken
High sec is safer (but still not 100% safe, of course) due to the consequences that are already in place. You're delusional if you don't think that the fear of ship loss prevents PvP in high sec to an acceptable degree. Look at how populous high sec is, can you imagine the carnage that'd be taking place if it were not safer? Don't kid yourself.

Well I don't know, if I fly on autopilot to Jita and find my battleship locked at a 0.7 sec gate, I have a serious WTF. Fortunately deploying my drones was enough to tell these punks that I wasn't AFK, and since I just carried some trash and my dogtag collection, they didn't attack me. But seriously, if there were known muggers in front of central station the cops would get rid of them, not protect them from people that want to beat them off the doorstep.

Originally by: Logi3
Sorry but that made me lol "Wont shoot people in a virtual game as its immoral"

Pay a ransom to save your pod otherwise its toast. Im sure there are some good bible mmorpgs out there you would like? AMazing quests like "Help John the OAP across the road"

I don't care about my pod, clones are cheap and I have plenty of implants from my carebear mission running to replace my old ones. I'd never pay any random anyway, bad behaviour should not be rewarded in any way. And I don't need a book to tell me what is moral and what is not.

As for why it is immoral, it's because there is a REAL person on the other end, someone that invested REAL time and REAL effort to get money to purchase the ship and fittings. They might even have invested REAL money by selling gametime cards, or the destruction of their ship might result in them not having the ISK to pay for next month, also resulting in them having to pay REAL money due to your actions. In a game of counterstrike you don't have to work for a week or so to recover if you die, in Eve you have, thus inflicting damage on other players is just as immoral as trashing your neighbors property for fun. The ships and other things are not real, but the time invested to obtain them definately is. I grind to pay for my stuff in Eve, just as I work in real life to purchase the stuff I want. Eve isn't just a game, it requires hard work, which isn't fun to do all the time.

Actually, is Eve a game at all?

According to Roger Callois' The Definition of Play, games must be 'unproductive', defined as: "Creating neither goods, nor wealth, nor new elements of any kind; and, except for the exchange of property amongst the players, ending in a situation identical to that prevailing at the beginning of the game."

Since ISK means gametime means real money, the game has a quantifiable outcome in real life, thus according to Roger Callois definition, Eve would not be a game.

There are many game theorists that came up with different definitions, but it is widely accepted now that there is a large grey area between obvious games, and things that obviously aren't games (take Russian Roulette for example here).



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