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Cheng Yu
Posted - 2008.03.04 10:03:00 - [271]
 

Originally by: Alanna Kereshkova
I've just had a look at the Jhidswarm's kill board and I must say some of the set ups for mining barges they have killed are truely pathetic!

What are the miners thinking of?

You spend upwards of 60m ISK on a barge and outfit it with 3 strip miners at, say 10m each, then you add cargo expanders and expensive rigs to add even further to the hold you have.

What have some of you in the way of a tank?

Civilian shield boosters!, shield rechargers or simply no tank at all !! Shocked

I'm sure as Hell if I'd spent over 240m on a set up I'd put shield hardeners in there or an armour plate!

Some of you deserve to be ganked. LaughingYARRRR!!


As a miner im sad to say........ SIGNED !

Come on people, you can get 27k effective hp on a Hulk.

Even if entirely T1 you can get something like 23k

Macinaw pilots; i dont know what to say............youve had it tank wise im afraid.

Quelque Chose
New Eden Roller Disco Supply
Posted - 2008.03.04 10:35:00 - [272]
 

Originally by: Cheng Yu

As a miner im sad to say........ SIGNED !

Come on people, you can get 27k effective hp on a Hulk.

Even if entirely T1 you can get something like 23k

Macinaw pilots; i dont know what to say............youve had it tank wise im afraid.



Meh. Why bother? The most a suicide jockey can hope to get out of a hulk is 20-30 mil + ore and by the Goons' own estimates they spend about that much per gank ship; ergo, you can pretty much assume that direct profit is never the motive. With that constraint out of the way it doesn't matter how much it costs to take your hulk down so they'll spend exactly that amount.

In high sec, it's probably better to fit MLUs and expanders to max out your profit; that way it takes less time to pay off your next two hulks (should you need them at all). This is especially true given that: in the first 2/3 of 2007, 23000- odd hulks were built and of those about 10% got popped, and that; the total number of hulks in space has probably only increased since then and the current goon campaign has up to now accounted for less than 2% of that original number. The odds are really quite good and only get better if you max out your yield -- a hulk's best tank is probably the income it provides.

Low/ null sec probably a different story. YMMV IMHO ETC ETC.

Illwill Bill
Svea Crusaders
Posted - 2008.03.04 11:51:00 - [273]
 

Out of curiosity: Is the Jihadswarm attacking all miners, or only the AFK/macroing ones?

Cheng Yu
Posted - 2008.03.04 11:58:00 - [274]
 

Edited by: Cheng Yu on 04/03/2008 12:00:27
Originally by: Illwill Bill
Out of curiosity: Is the Jihadswarm attacking all miners, or only the AFK/macroing ones?



All, tho to be fair most of them will be afk or macros purely by chance.

EDIT: Should say that ceratinly atm theyre only going for exhumer. ( bar a random covetor or retriver here n there which i reckon was a error up on their behalf seeing as there really is no point in popping t1 miners )

Wesada Drin
Minmatar
58th Syndicate
Posted - 2008.03.04 15:19:00 - [275]
 

Originally by: Cheng Yu


EDIT: Should say that ceratinly atm theyre only going for exhumer. ( bar a random covetor or retriver here n there which i reckon was a error up on their behalf seeing as there really is no point in popping t1 miners )


Other than for the sheer hell of it, you mean?

I can see this from both sides, but a single small change would sort the issue out for everyone: no insurance payout if you're killed by CONCORD.

In terms of game-based reality this would fit; no insurance company is going to give you cash for commiting a crime.

It would also (hopefully) silence those people who ask for more severe penalties for Hi-Sec podding.

Those commiting the crime shouldnt have an issue with it either. As they have pointed out themselves, they make their cash back from looting the wrecks.

And at the end of the day its actually a very small change. PVP remains non-consensual, suicide podding becomes very slightly less rewarding, miners in Hi-Sec feel slightly more secure.

To be fair tho, I cant imagine any changes will be made unless Hi-Sec suicide podding becomes rampant all across EVE space.

Now, where's my Happy Cat picture?

duckmonster
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2008.03.04 15:54:00 - [276]
 

Edited by: duckmonster on 04/03/2008 15:55:18
You guys realise its not even worth discussing this when this boards worthless moderators first moved then locked an official announcement, on the grounds we included a language translation for mandarin players (who seem to comprise a lot of the victims).

Considering this sort of blatant racism is actually perpetrated by the moderators (SHAME ON YOU) , to the point an OFFICIAL announcement is supressed just because it was structured to also help ESL eve players, theres little point posting on this topic.

Its just baseless speculation beyond this point.

fun facts: Banning non english speakers from boards will probably get you in trouble with the law in my country. Wink


Information Minister
The Ministry of Truth
Posted - 2008.03.04 16:12:00 - [277]
 

Quote:
The most a suicide jockey can hope to get out of a hulk is 20-30 mil + ore and by the Goons' own estimates they spend about that much per gank ship

Looking at the ships they're using I very much doubt it costs them 20-30 mil per flying bomb.

Todo Akamura
Club Bear
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2008.03.04 16:33:00 - [278]
 

Well, we have our 'goons' in RL too: USA and friends (NATO if u insist)Shocked. I know - u'll say that Asia is lowsec/0.0,won't u? Twisted Evil

So i say if US Army can kill innocent ppl without any consequences, why should players have such a big sec hit when they pod some1?

Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2008.03.04 16:52:00 - [279]
 

There are no innocent people Very Happy

Todo Akamura
Club Bear
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2008.03.04 16:57:00 - [280]
 

Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny
There are no innocent people Very Happy


Ok, so let's shoot every1 then. Holy Bloodfest every1!!! Twisted Evil

Traidor Disloyal
Private Nuisance
Segregati0n
Posted - 2008.03.04 19:41:00 - [281]
 

Originally by: Information Minister
Looking at the ships they're using I very much doubt it costs them 20-30 mil per flying bomb.

Brutix seems the ship of choice and if all you load on it are guns, MFS, jammers, one load of Caldari Anti-matter per gun it will cost about 26 million isk if all bought in Jita. You can then insure that thing for 27 million at a cost of 8 million isk. Total isk spent after suicide is about 7 million. Go to a 0.5 system, find some hulks and go to town for a few seconds.

One crappy level 4 mission. Sounds like it might be fun. Twisted Evil

Cheng Yu
Posted - 2008.03.04 20:23:00 - [282]
 

Originally by: Wesada Drin
Originally by: Cheng Yu


EDIT: Should say that ceratinly atm theyre only going for exhumer. ( bar a random covetor or retriver here n there which i reckon was a error up on their behalf seeing as there really is no point in popping t1 miners )


Other than for the sheer hell of it, you mean?


The point is that yes anyone can still gank a t1 mining barge in high sec but its of as little consequence to the miner as it is the ganker, due to being able to fully insure a covetor.

TeddyBr FTW
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2008.03.04 20:50:00 - [283]
 

The Goons are soon to be dying.
Come on over to see why... and how to help out. Twisted Evil

Goonie Gasbags On Notice: Death Is Coming

Quelque Chose
New Eden Roller Disco Supply
Posted - 2008.03.04 21:45:00 - [284]
 

Edited by: Quelque Chose on 04/03/2008 21:56:35
Originally by: Information Minister

Looking at the ships they're using I very much doubt it costs them 20-30 mil per flying bomb.


Given that they don't post their losses I'm not sure where you're getting this. My figure comes from one of the involved parties, though of course his reliability is always in question. If you watch the video, you'll see a number of battleships in there including a smartbombing raven.


*edit* Yeah I know, learn how to read a KB, right? Even by the cost estimates here in a Brutix the biggest haul per goon on the first page looks like about 8mil. If that's your idea of a for- profit activity then maybe I should donate you some cash -- point still stands.

Information Minister
The Ministry of Truth
Posted - 2008.03.04 23:20:00 - [285]
 

Edited by: Information Minister on 04/03/2008 23:20:38
Originally by: Quelque Chose
Edited by: Quelque Chose on 04/03/2008 21:56:35
Originally by: Information Minister

Looking at the ships they're using I very much doubt it costs them 20-30 mil per flying bomb.

Given that they don't post their losses I'm not sure where you're getting this.

If I revealed my source, he would be suffer great harm. I'm sure you can understand my reticence in the matter.

Quote:
If that's your idea of a for- profit activity then maybe I should donate you some cash -- point still stands.

You probably should. Let me know when to check my account.

Your Favorite
Posted - 2008.03.04 23:45:00 - [286]
 

This whole post is based on a spineless clan that is plagiarizing historical Muslim sayings in what they probably consider a comical scenario. The fact of the matter is they are probably tired of mounting losses and boredom of not being able to effectively closeout their stagnant effort to hold delve and other contested space. So hiring out to the teenagers that play to suicide bomb defenseless pilots and sending much older accounts out to take advantage of CCP inability to establish actual control in Hi-Sec seems a more viable option. Now I know there are a couple big words in there and likely some sensitive subjects for you GS pilots but maybe your mommy’s or the older more non-chalant members can read them for you guys.

Scoundrelus
The Black Fleet
Posted - 2008.03.04 23:55:00 - [287]
 

Well if it makes you all feel any better, a member of Goonswarm accidentally sent me 800 mil isk while doing a character trade with another person. Don't ask me how.

Kegan Coldwyn
Posted - 2008.03.05 01:46:00 - [288]
 

Originally by: Alanna Kereshkova
I've just had a look at the Jhidswarm's kill board and I must say some of the set ups for mining barges they have killed are truely pathetic!

What are the miners thinking of?

You spend upwards of 60m ISK on a barge and outfit it with 3 strip miners at, say 10m each, then you add cargo expanders and expensive rigs to add even further to the hold you have.

What have some of you in the way of a tank?

Civilian shield boosters!, shield rechargers or simply no tank at all !! Shocked

I'm sure as Hell if I'd spent over 240m on a set up I'd put shield hardeners in there or an armour plate!

Some of you deserve to be ganked. LaughingYARRRR!!

Around two months did not wear my hulk.

Throughout the past month may play 5 hours

I was using Civilian shield boosters simply because I do not have the time or desire to play online eve as I would like

And I do not like mining was something to be learned if my corp needed support, and therefore I can not seriously

I believe very sincerely bad taste these comments

And I do not regret having lost, it was something to that for entertainment.

But if I tell you that when I read an item on this, I think about jihad very very bad taste. And should give them more of a shame to make jokes with this issue. I have had friends that have been saved from death by 15 minutes

And at the beginning I took it as a joke but reading some reviews give me very bad vibrations. As this: http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=718396&page=2#31

Zorlag
Minmatar
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2008.03.05 04:59:00 - [289]
 

let's all play the exciting game, asian macrominer using babelfish or just plain illiterate

Jhyme
Amarr
Igneus Auctorita
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2008.03.05 05:29:00 - [290]
 

The distance between .7 and .8 system sec status is now huge. Before it wasn't even noticeable.

Berrik Radhok
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2008.03.05 07:22:00 - [291]
 

Originally by: Your Favorite
This whole post is based on a spineless clan that is plagiarizing historical Muslim sayings in what they probably consider a comical scenario. The fact of the matter is they are probably tired of mounting losses and boredom of not being able to effectively closeout their stagnant effort to hold delve and other contested space. So hiring out to the teenagers that play to suicide bomb defenseless pilots and sending much older accounts out to take advantage of CCP inability to establish actual control in Hi-Sec seems a more viable option. Now I know there are a couple big words in there and likely some sensitive subjects for you GS pilots but maybe your mommy’s or the older more non-chalant members can read them for you guys.


lol


techzer0
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2008.03.05 07:50:00 - [292]
 

Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny
There are no innocent people Very Happy
Lies. I am so claiming to be innocent of any wrongdoing or rock munching.

/me hides his mining barge level 3 on his skill sheet Laughing

Kozmic
Posted - 2008.03.05 08:13:00 - [293]
 

I didnt go thru all the pages but

Can I have your stuff?

Alanna Kereshkova
Posted - 2008.03.05 08:52:00 - [294]
 

Originally by: Kegan Coldwyn
Originally by: Alanna Kereshkova
snipped for brevity


Around two months did not wear my hulk.

Throughout the past month may play 5 hours

I was using Civilian shield boosters simply because I do not have the time or desire to play online eve as I would like

And I do not like mining was something to be learned if my corp needed support, and therefore I can not seriously

I believe very sincerely bad taste these comments

And I do not regret having lost, it was something to that for entertainment.

But if I tell you that when I read an item on this, I think about jihad very very bad taste. And should give them more of a shame to make jokes with this issue. I have had friends that have been saved from death by 15 minutes

And at the beginning I took it as a joke but reading some reviews give me very bad vibrations. As this: http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=718396&page=2#31


I'll let you into a secret friend. You can train your character for better skills, like those shield hardeners that might've saved your life, without actually being online.

Yes training can be done whilst NOT playing!

If you have a busy real life but have a few minutes spare you can log on and change completed skills. We all do it.

As to being offensive, the post I wrote was tame in comparison to others posted here. You were one of many that didn't have a decent tank, others had small shield boosters which would do little or nothing when faced by a BC with blasters.

My advice is to grow a thick skin. (that means to not get upset by things too easily).

Eve is a harsh universe, not hearts and flowers.

Kegan Coldwyn
Posted - 2008.03.05 09:46:00 - [295]
 

Originally by: Alanna Kereshkova
Originally by: Kegan Coldwyn
Originally by: Alanna Kereshkova
snipped for brevity


Around two months did not wear my hulk.

Throughout the past month may play 5 hours

I was using Civilian shield boosters simply because I do not have the time or desire to play online eve as I would like

And I do not like mining was something to be learned if my corp needed support, and therefore I can not seriously

I believe very sincerely bad taste these comments

And I do not regret having lost, it was something to that for entertainment.

But if I tell you that when I read an item on this, I think about jihad very very bad taste. And should give them more of a shame to make jokes with this issue. I have had friends that have been saved from death by 15 minutes

And at the beginning I took it as a joke but reading some reviews give me very bad vibrations. As this: http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=718396&page=2#31


I'll let you into a secret friend. You can train your character for better skills, like those shield hardeners that might've saved your life, without actually being online.

Yes training can be done whilst NOT playing!

If you have a busy real life but have a few minutes spare you can log on and change completed skills. We all do it.

As to being offensive, the post I wrote was tame in comparison to others posted here. You were one of many that didn't have a decent tank, others had small shield boosters which would do little or nothing when faced by a BC with blasters.

My advice is to grow a thick skin. (that means to not get upset by things too easily).

Eve is a harsh universe, not hearts and flowers.

OMG!
I know that.

And I admit it was unwise

You have not discovered a new world

And I am not getting to comment on this issue as a player carefree.

Lil'Red Ridin'Hood
Evolution
IT Alliance
Posted - 2008.03.05 11:28:00 - [296]
 

Originally by: Kozmic
Can I have your stuff?

Anyone who still thinks this line is original or even funny should be suicide-ganked and podded by GS. Repeatedly.

Unfunny people suck. Can't we get a stickied thread where people can write that type of crap all day long?

Jaegan
Ars ex Discordia
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2008.03.05 14:57:00 - [297]
 

Originally by: Lil'Red Ridin'Hood
Anyone who still thinks this line is original or even funny should be suicide-ganked and podded by GS.

Unfunnyhadswarm? I don't know, it just doesn't roll off the tongue.

TeddyBr FTW
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2008.03.05 18:56:00 - [298]
 

I am providing a service of killing Goonies in high sec space.

This service is to provide an outlet for all the miners who have been killed off by the Goonies recently and any others who just plain don't like the Goonies. If enough isk is sent in I will hire a second merc group to hunt down their alt industrial corps to hurt their logistical capabilies. (Bob take notice plz) Twisted Evil

Goonie Gasbags On Notice: Death Is Coming (R.E.P.O. Hired)

Ulstan
Posted - 2008.03.05 20:10:00 - [299]
 

Quote:
Looking at the ships they're using I very much doubt it costs them 20-30 mil per flying bomb.


It should only cost them that much if they aren't insuring their ships...

I'll have to see if I can ship scan a couple of them tonight, if they're still in the Osmon area.

Zorlag
Minmatar
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2008.03.05 20:29:00 - [300]
 

Originally by: Ulstan
Quote:
Looking at the ships they're using I very much doubt it costs them 20-30 mil per flying bomb.


It should only cost them that much if they aren't insuring their ships...

I'll have to see if I can ship scan a couple of them tonight, if they're still in the Osmon area.


because really, who has 30 million isk to spend on a ship?


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