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Macropodder
Posted - 2008.02.28 21:34:00 - [1]
 

I think thats it's high time that CCP changes the rules a bit when it comes to podding pilots. When you have a pilot that is a member of a large corp or alliance who is running missions, who in turn has a high standing because of this, it should not give them the ability to go out and hunt other players (like miners) like they were fish in a barrel.
Take for example Fleetbee. A member of the Goonswarm. He has a high standing, yet, he also has a massive kill rate of miners. Has he lost the ability to be in high sec space. No! While I fully realize that EVE is not the real world, it is based on the premise of a society. Well, I would hate to live in a society that lets someone like Fleetbee remain in high sec space when he spends most of his time causing grief to his fellow players and claims it to be a "Holly War against the Infidels" when we have that going on in the real world.
To put it plainly, the actions of pilots such as Fleetbee should not only have him podded by CCP, but reduced in security status much faster than he is being reduced. Anyone who prays on other pilots in this manor should be reduced in security status within the state they are committing the crime in much faster than they are. High security status or not. PVP is one thing. But to constantly attack pilots that are not doing PVP, that are not into PVP, is wrong. To call it a Holly War against the Infidels is an insult to every man and woman that has died to provide us with the liberties we have today.
I personally have several accounts. The actions of Fleetbee have made me seriously considering if I want to continue playing EVE, because the rules have allowed Punks to start terrorizing players in high sec space because he and his fellow members of the Goonswarm have decided to hunt miners. If the rules governing how quickly you lose the ability to remain in high sec space don't start reflecting the crimes that they are committing, I think that CCP will fid a sudden drop how many paying members they have. I didn't start playing this game to to find the type of activity that my friends have given their very life to protect us from. Yes, it's just a game. But in any civilized space, these types of actions should not be tolerated, no matter how many mission the pilot does for the state. A criminal is a criminal. They should be pushed into low sec space where they can pray on others like themselves. High sec space is where those pilots live, who don't care for the jihad or the Holly War against the infidels. attacking pilots that have not stolen from you should lower your standing rather quickly, regardless of the number of missions you run for the state. Your security status should reflect your criminal actions faster and harder that your mission running does. If you are going to terrorize innocent pilots on a daily bases, then your security status should drop fast and hard with each ship that you destroy. If you have a perfect standing of 10.0, if you start taking out other players, by the 10th ship, you should be reduced to .4 space or below. Let the punishment fit the the crime. If you want to attack other players, your criminal status should progressive for each kill, and it should also be harder to gain security status because of this type of criminal activity.

Mr Twinkie
The Bastards
Posted - 2008.02.28 21:37:00 - [2]
 

i didnt bother to read ur wall of text... sounds like an omg i hate podders or an omg i hate the goons rant... and podding is funnnn... and yet to meet a goon more then passing thru r systems but they seem like a bunch of arses who like to have a good time

Bahhs Deep
Posted - 2008.02.28 21:43:00 - [3]
 

OH NOES! Great wall of whine!

Glad I can speed read...

Now we can all agree that there are some mechanics in the game that are

A: Flawed
B: Nonrealistic
C: Dumb
D: All of the above
E: No one cares anyways

Or in this case we can say
F: 1 in about 1000 care

Sure, they can look into it to try and "fix" it if that's what you think it needs, but realistically they will do better if they take that time and put it towards something that TRULY matters. Such as balancing out some of the ship changes they are planing on...(CoughDeimoscough)

I seriously doubt CCP will do anything about the podding/sec stat for a very long time, and that's IF they do.

Alowishus
the united
Negative Ten.
Posted - 2008.02.28 21:44:00 - [4]
 

Originally by: Macropodder
But to constantly attack pilots that are not doing PVP, that are not into PVP, is wrong.


No, this statement is wrong. To think that there are any circumstances or personal preferences in Eve where you should not be subject to PvP is wrong. It's not up to others to determine who doesn't want to be involved in PvP, it's up to you to avoid situations you find unfavorable.

Originally by: Macropodder
I personally have several accounts. The actions of Fleetbee have made me seriously considering if I want to continue playing EVE


Based on your opinions, I do not believe Eve is the game for you. Expecting the game to change to match your expectations is not reasonable. If you don't like baseball you don't join a team and then try to convince them to play basketball. You had plenty of opportunity to play Eve for free and understand the the game before paid any money.

I wish you had quit before you made this thread. ugh

kublai
Guillotine Therapy
Rooks and Kings
Posted - 2008.02.28 21:49:00 - [5]
 

wall of text bla bla bla whine whine www.wow-europe.com

Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente
Posted - 2008.02.28 21:51:00 - [6]
 

I fully agree that people that attack others in high-sec should see their security status drop like a brick in water. It's rediculous that they get concord protection and insurance payout.

Macropodder
Posted - 2008.02.28 21:52:00 - [7]
 

This thread was created because of the fact that the punishment of podding other pilots does not fit the crime. It's wrong for a pilot to be able to pod over 100 pilots in less than a week and remain in the same secure space. In a real society, they'd be hunted down. The fact that they are able to maintain a high security status by running missions, doesn't balance out the fact that they are committing crimes.

Alowishus
the united
Negative Ten.
Posted - 2008.02.28 22:00:00 - [8]
 

Rolling Eyes You can go from +5 to -9.9 in one day. Quit your whining.

Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente
Posted - 2008.02.28 22:01:00 - [9]
 

Originally by: Alowishus
Rolling Eyes You can go from +5 to -9.9 in one day. Quit your whining.

It would be more reasonable when it went that after one highsec podkill.

Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2008.02.28 22:05:00 - [10]
 

I'm up to -6.4 \Very Happy/

Takes a while to get sec status back up when Band of Jackholes keeps making me have to stop in order to shoo away their impotent attacks in their feeble attempts to drive us out of Delve

Alowishus
the united
Negative Ten.
Posted - 2008.02.28 22:09:00 - [11]
 

Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
Originally by: Alowishus
Rolling Eyes You can go from +5 to -9.9 in one day. Quit your whining.

It would be more reasonable when it went that after one highsec podkill.


I don't think that's reasonable. I've seen people accidentally pod kill someone before. What happens to them? They get relegated to 0.4 because their cat walked on their keyboard when they had smartbombs fitted?

Just admit you're one of those touchy carebears who doesn't realize they're in the wrong game.

Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente
Posted - 2008.02.28 22:13:00 - [12]
 

Edited by: Ankhesentapemkah on 28/02/2008 22:14:21
Originally by: Alowishus
I don't think that's reasonable. I've seen people accidentally pod kill someone before. What happens to them? They get relegated to 0.4 because their cat walked on their keyboard when they had smartbombs fitted?

Just admit you're one of those touchy carebears who doesn't realize they're in the wrong game.


They can petition some GMs and explain before the court why they killed some innocents and pay reparations to the victims. Otherwise they can rot in lowsec where murderous vermin belongs.

I think it's time for some real CONSEQUENCE for criminal behaviour. Jailtime, statloss, no insurance, whatever it takes to stomp out this antisocial behaviour. They can do what they want in 0.0, but don't expect us to pay for their bull in Empire space!

Alowishus
the united
Negative Ten.
Posted - 2008.02.28 22:16:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
Originally by: Alowishus
I don't think that's reasonable. I've seen people accidentally pod kill someone before. What happens to them? They get relegated to 0.4 because their cat walked on their keyboard when they had smartbombs fitted?

Just admit you're one of those touchy carebears who doesn't realize they're in the wrong game.


They can petition some GMs and explain before the court why they killed some innocents, otherwise they can rot in lowsec where murderous vermin belongs.

I think it's time for some real CONSEQUENCE for criminal behaviour. Jailtime, statloss, no insurance, whatever it takes to stomp out this antisocial behaviour. They can do what they want in 0.0, but don't expect us to pay for their bull in Empire space!


First of all, the GMs will not reimburse for human error, ever, even if you tell them you're disabled and your hands are deformed.

Secondly, you simply do not understand Eve and should just stop playing. Please.

Hunter Nay
Chaos From Order
Sev3rance
Posted - 2008.02.28 22:20:00 - [14]
 

How come whenever some1 goes on a rant and threatens they are goin to quit eve, they have several accounts? Doesnt ne1 own 1 account? Goin off these number eve is played by a handful of people and we are all alts.

Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente
Posted - 2008.02.28 22:21:00 - [15]
 

Originally by: Alowishus
First of all, the GMs will not reimburse for human error, ever, even if you tell them you're disabled and your hands are deformed.

Secondly, you simply do not understand Eve and should just stop playing. Please.


I was being ironic when I said that, in case you didn't notice. Obviously you didn't. Like I said, criminal behaviour should have consequence, and podkills in Empire space should result in extreme Security Status loss, even if they happen by accident.

If you don't understand that podkilling is criminal behaviour and should have severe reprecussions, maybe Highsec isn't for you.

techzer0
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2008.02.28 22:24:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny
I'm up to -6.4 \Very Happy/


I made -4.7 and gave up again Laughing

I love when people come to whine on C&P... it's rather counter productive

M'ing Pai
The Jagged Edge
Posted - 2008.02.28 22:24:00 - [17]
 

Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
string of whine, I want the game to change for me


This is the game for you, my friend:

the game Ankhesentapemka should really be playing

Please go there, where it's nice and fluffy and no one ever gets killed by anyone else. Most of us like Eve the way it is, hence our continued subscriptions.

Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente
Posted - 2008.02.28 22:29:00 - [18]
 

Originally by: M'ing Pai
Please go there, where it's nice and fluffy and no one ever gets killed by anyone else. Most of us like Eve the way it is, hence our continued subscriptions.

The only ones whining are you people that think its perfectly fine to kill, **** and pillage in areas that are supposed to be lawful.

You can do whatever you want in 0.0, so why not stay there and stop whining that you want to kill, **** and pillage in Highsec when CCP already has made a place that caters to your needs.

Omarvelous
Destry's Lounge
Important Internet Spaceship League
Posted - 2008.02.28 22:29:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Macropodder
...Anyone who prays on other pilots in this manor should be reduced in security status within the state they are committing the crime in much faster than they are....


I enjoyed the irony of this typo considering they are in jihad against miners! Laughing

Anyways, lame whine aside, this game isn't for you, high sec space isn't totally safe space - yadda yadda. The pilots on this board have had far worse happen to them and they DON'T CARE.

I'd ask for your stuff but its lame miner crap which would be useless to me.

Less whiner miners = Less inflation!

Alowishus
the united
Negative Ten.
Posted - 2008.02.28 22:31:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
If you don't understand that podkilling is criminal behaviour and should have severe reprecussions, maybe Highsec isn't for you.


Well let's see, you take a sec status hit and you lose a ship expensive enough that it survives long enough to kill a person's ship, lock their pod and then destroy it. Sounds severe enough to me. Unless you're AFK mining/hauling or doing some other form of unintended metagaming it's pretty easy to escape with your pod so I think it's pretty well balanced.

Obviously, I don't go to high sec, ever and I'm happy for that, so my opinion is clearly not biased like yours is. Sounds like you weren't playing very smart and suffered the consequences and now you're upset about it.

Cygnus Scott
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2008.02.28 22:33:00 - [21]
 

Real easy solution. After your sec status hits -5 say 10 times you start losing the ability to regain sec status. So once you hit -5 the 11th time you can no longer get to 10 rating but only to a 9. On the 12th time you hit -5 it drops to 8, and so on until you are permanently at -10. That's a lot of leeway to misbehave, and hey you can still do as you please but have to accept the consequences.


Zedrik Cayne
Gallente
Standards and Practices
Posted - 2008.02.28 22:34:00 - [22]
 

Um..First to say it.

Can I have your stuff?

Alowishus
the united
Negative Ten.
Posted - 2008.02.28 22:40:00 - [23]
 

Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
The only ones whining are you people that think its perfectly fine to kill, **** and pillage in areas that are supposed to be lawful.


High sec is lawful, but it's not entirely safe, hence the consequences for people who commit crimes, but also those stupid enough to be victims. There is no safe place in Eve, just like real life. If I go to the ghetto I can be mugged, killed, whatever, just like 0.0. But even if I choose to live in a gated community with 24/7 security it doesn't mean I shouldn't lock my doors at night, or that nobody will ever be cunning enough to break in.

If you want to play a game that further departs from reality, there are games out there for you, Eve just isn't it.

Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente
Posted - 2008.02.28 22:44:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Alowishus
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
If you don't understand that podkilling is criminal behaviour and should have severe reprecussions, maybe Highsec isn't for you.
Well let's see, you take a sec status hit and you lose a ship expensive enough that it survives long enough to kill a person's ship, lock their pod and then destroy it. Sounds severe enough to me.

Ah, but no, they get insurance payout so it only costs them the basic insurance price and the price for their fittings, which are usually quite crappy and cheap anyway on a suicide ship. And since they can do it again and again and again, I'd say the security hit isn't quite high enough.

Originally by: Alowishus
Unless you're AFK mining/hauling or doing some other form of unintended metagaming it's pretty easy to escape with your pod so I think it's pretty well balanced.

I really don't have a problem with them shooting up botters and whatnot, but since they're destroying mining vessels of real people that are at the keyboard as well, I really think something needs to be done about it.

Originally by: Alowishus
Obviously, I don't go to high sec, ever and I'm happy for that, so my opinion is clearly not biased like yours is. Sounds like you weren't playing very smart and suffered the consequences and now you're upset about it.

Well, I don't go to low sec, so my opinion is just as 'unbiassed' as yours. And no, I didn't lose anything to these guys yet, the last time I lost a ship was almost a year ago (which was also the last time I went to lowsec), I've been happily missionrunning in obscure systems ever since. I don't harm anyone else, so I expect to be left unharmed as well. Carebear? You'll have trouble finding anyone more carebear than me. Any problem with that?

Alowishus
the united
Negative Ten.
Posted - 2008.02.28 22:44:00 - [25]
 

Originally by: Cygnus Scott
Real easy solution. After your sec status hits -5 say 10 times you start losing the ability to regain sec status. So once you hit -5 the 11th time you can no longer get to 10 rating but only to a 9. On the 12th time you hit -5 it drops to 8, and so on until you are permanently at -10. That's a lot of leeway to misbehave, and hey you can still do as you please but have to accept the consequences.


Rolling Eyes What if I want a career change? What if after you mine so many roids you can never fit anything other than mining lasers?

What if I sell my char? Should the new owner not be able to get their sec status up because of things I did?

It's just a game. People who get so upset about an internet space game are obviously antisocial psychopathic virgins. ugh

Alowishus
the united
Negative Ten.
Posted - 2008.02.28 22:48:00 - [26]
 

Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
I don't harm anyone else, so I expect to be left unharmed as well.


Sorry, this idealistic, unrealistic expectation is invalid in just about every aspect of life and I'm terribly sorry that Eve is no exception. Fortunately for you there are other games where this expectation will be fulfilled.

That statement clearly illustrates that you simply don't understand this game and it's not for you.

M'ing Pai
The Jagged Edge
Posted - 2008.02.28 22:49:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
more whining


Seriously, this isn't the only character/account I play, and I DO have a mining/industrial alt. While playing that account, I've never been suicide ganked. Why? Because I am cautious, and understand that it CAN happen, and prepare for it. The easier target you are, the more likely it is to happen to you.

Can it happen even though I'm cautious? YOU BET. That's part of what makes this game so wonderful: you're never completely safe, no matter WHERE you are. If you think you should be, then I'm sorry, but you're delusional, and are obviously playing the wrong game.

No one is whining and crying here but you. I've lost billions. You don't hear me weeping for a nerf bat.

In closing, either quit crying about the mechanics of the game we all love and learn to adapt, or go play something else.

If you leave, can my alt have your stuff?

Macropodder
Posted - 2008.02.28 22:55:00 - [28]
 

Originally by: Alowishus
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah

Sounds like you weren't playing very smart and suffered the consequences and now you're upset about it.


I sit at my keyboard long enough that my ass hurts. The way these guys are attacking and killing miners you don't have time to respond. So don't sit on your high horse and say this isn't the game I should be playing just because I don't like the fact that I lost a ship. What I don't like is the fact that the punishment doesn't fit the crime. There pilots have taken out over 280 mining ships in the last two weeks last I looked. Now, tell me how the punishment fits the crime? They are all still in high sec space.

Ankhesentapemkah
Gallente
Posted - 2008.02.28 22:55:00 - [29]
 

Edited by: Ankhesentapemkah on 28/02/2008 22:56:15
Originally by: Alowishus
Rolling Eyes What if I want a career change? What if after you mine so many roids you can never fit anything other than mining lasers?

Mining roids isn't a crime.
Originally by: Alowishus
What if I sell my char? Should the new owner not be able to get their sec status up because of things I did?

"I bought gold and now have a negative balance due to CCP taking action, hey now I can't sell my account off /whine"
Originally by: Alowishus
It's just a game. People who get so upset about an internet space game are obviously antisocial psychopathic virgins. ugh

People that use a game to get their enjoyment by frustrating other people definately are antisocial psychopatic virgins Rolling Eyes

Originally by: Alowishus
Originally by: Ankhesentapemkah
I don't harm anyone else, so I expect to be left unharmed as well.


Sorry, this idealistic, unrealistic expectation is invalid in just about every aspect of life and I'm terribly sorry that Eve is no exception. Fortunately for you there are other games where this expectation will be fulfilled.

That statement clearly illustrates that you simply don't understand this game and it's not for you.

In real life, when you're guilty of a crime, you're sent to jail, and definately can't go walk around at the mall mugging more people left and right and have your insurance company replace your gun when the cops take it from you.

Kaaii
Caldari
Kaaii-Net Research Labs
KAAII-NET
Posted - 2008.02.28 22:56:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny
I'm up to -6.4 \Very Happy/

Takes a while to get sec status back up when Band of Jackholes keeps making me have to stop in order to shoo away their impotent attacks in their feeble attempts to drive us out of Delve


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