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arghy steelwill
Minmatar
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2008.02.18 22:28:00 - [31]
 

Hahaha if anyones wondering why the obvious flame bait, BoB has engaged GS in a petition war where they petition anything they can to attempt to get us banned and of course CCP obliged them. The mighty BoB haveing to resort to crying to CCP because they cant defend any of their systems and the fair CCP looking at the problem with a fair and balanced view.

Scatim Helicon
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2008.02.18 22:48:00 - [32]
 

Not constructive - Navigator

Marian Finucane
Gallente
I threw petrol on the fire and now I have no arms
Posted - 2008.02.18 22:53:00 - [33]
 

Not constructive - Navigator

Scatim Helicon
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2008.02.18 22:54:00 - [34]
 

Not constructive - Navigator

WraithFire
Caldari
Cassandra's Light
Caeruleum Alliance
Posted - 2008.02.18 22:58:00 - [35]
 

The OP is hardly in a position to make an ultimatum against a potential opponent that can easily crush you. BTW in making ultimatums, do not say please. mmmkay Wink

Hardtail
Gallente
Ever Flow
Axiom Empire
Posted - 2008.02.18 22:59:00 - [36]
 

Edited by: Hardtail on 18/02/2008 22:59:38
Originally by: General Windypops
Ok, pretty much any post I make seems to get Goons hot under the collar, but I'm hoping that this won't degenerate into yet another flamefest.

I'm writing an open ultimatum to Goonfleet to ask them to, once and for all, clean up their act.

One of the huge sadnesses about this 'Great War' is that it could and should have been the greatest, most compelling battle that Eve has EVER seen. It's got all the right ingredients - an age old rivalry, endless twists and turns, and even seizmic changes in our political landscape that see one side, then the other seem in control, and the tide seeming set to turn once again.

Yet rather than being a fascinating clash that once again confirms Eve as, in my view, the greatest online game by miles it's in danger of becoming 'epic' for all the wrong reasons.

Goonfleet have the potential to be an awesome power within Eve, and I'm sure they've got some decent pilots in there, even if they're rarely given the chance to fight effectively and they've sure as hell got the numbers. But the incessant use of noobships and other 'irrelevant' ships simply to create such ridiculous lag that tactics become impossible is ruining what could be some awesome fights. Your allies have more than enough firepower and numbers to win the battle and tbqh your playstyle is hindering rather than helping your cause.

I know that I can sometimes be a controvertial figure (due to my attempts to clean up the forums) and at times I, too, have been guilty of getting overheated on what should be a mature, informative and (at times) amusing addition to our experience of this game. But the odd bit of baiting and ridicule on my part is nothing compared to the juvenile postings, personal attacks, threadnoughts, metagaming and deliberate attempts to aggrevate non-RSF players by references to R/L occurences have SURELY got to stop.

That's why I'm making this open appeal to Goonfleet leadership to FINALLY take action and be accountable for the actions of their members.

This has nothing to do with who is fighting who - I think everyone is loving the pew pew - but it's to do with maturity, respect, and - ultimately - making the game a better place for us all.

And that's why I'm making this ultimatum to Gloomswarm. Please, in all sincerity, clean up your act and we can make this game a better place, and this war the greatest clash an MMO has ever seen.

And if you're wondering, dear Goon leadership, what's in it for you I'll be blunt. If you don't sort yourselves out I'm going to switch to become a Goon fanboi. Just imagine the horror of seeing Windypops posting on your behalf, day in, day out. Serously. Just imagine it...

(PS - I'd also welcome a war dec from Goonfleet. I know those who don't agree with what I say LOVE to call me an alt, but I think you'll find I'm really rather active in game...)

C'mon - enough of the F-U, more of the Pew Pew!!









who the heck is gloomswarm?

Mo Steel
Caldari
Sanguis vix Dignatio
Posted - 2008.02.18 23:01:00 - [37]
 

This post has been cleared of inappropriate content.

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kirintar
Minmatar
Bump bump PEW PEW
Posted - 2008.02.18 23:04:00 - [38]
 

The op is fail and this thread is full of over sensitive cry babies that take posts on an internet spaceships forum to seriously. I think you need to take off your skirts and harden the **** up. Seriously.

Marian Finucane
Gallente
I threw petrol on the fire and now I have no arms
Posted - 2008.02.18 23:05:00 - [39]
 

Originally by: kirintar
The op is fail and this thread is full of over sensitive cry babies that take posts on an internet spaceships forum to seriously. I think you need to take off your skirts and harden the **** up. Seriously.


I'm pretty hard right now.

marakor
Gallente
Anti Lag Forum Smackers
Posted - 2008.02.18 23:21:00 - [40]
 

Edited by: marakor on 18/02/2008 23:22:37
Originally by: arghy steelwill
Hahaha if anyones wondering why the obvious flame bait, BoB has engaged GS in a petition war where they petition anything they can to attempt to get us banned and of course CCP obliged them. The mighty BoB haveing to resort to crying to CCP because they cant defend any of their systems and the fair CCP looking at the problem with a fair and balanced view.


OMFG next thing you know they will spam out of game forums and start a threadnaught to blackmail ccp into nerfing aspects of the game so they can win space.

Maybe not, cos only a real low life alliance would do that.............



Aprudena Gist
Caldari
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2008.02.18 23:31:00 - [41]
 

Originally by: marakor
Edited by: marakor on 18/02/2008 23:22:37
Originally by: arghy steelwill
Hahaha if anyones wondering why the obvious flame bait, BoB has engaged GS in a petition war where they petition anything they can to attempt to get us banned and of course CCP obliged them. The mighty BoB haveing to resort to crying to CCP because they cant defend any of their systems and the fair CCP looking at the problem with a fair and balanced view.


OMFG next thing you know they will spam out of game forums and start a threadnaught to blackmail ccp into nerfing aspects of the game so they can win space.

Maybe not, cos only a real low life alliance would do that.............





we only did that cause of T20 and cheating.

Zorlag
Minmatar
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2008.02.18 23:39:00 - [42]
 

Originally by: marakor
Edited by: marakor on 18/02/2008 23:22:37
Originally by: arghy steelwill
Hahaha if anyones wondering why the obvious flame bait, BoB has engaged GS in a petition war where they petition anything they can to attempt to get us banned and of course CCP obliged them. The mighty BoB haveing to resort to crying to CCP because they cant defend any of their systems and the fair CCP looking at the problem with a fair and balanced view.


OMFG next thing you know they will spam out of game forums and start a threadnaught to blackmail ccp into nerfing aspects of the game so they can win space.

Maybe not, cos only a real low life alliance would do that.............





Hey marakor do you want to talk about that portrait pack that we had

you know, that out-of-game illegal mod that allowed us to see at a glance who was red and who was blue from chat windows without having to check info every time

do you want to talk about that marakor or do i have the wrong troll, i forget sometimes

Sekhmet Orion
Minmatar
Mad-Warping-Maniacs
Posted - 2008.02.18 23:50:00 - [43]
 

Originally by: General Windypops

I'm writing an open ultimatum to Goonfleet to ask them to, once and for all, clean up their act.

[/b]


Won't happen...so please stop posting you flatulent armchair general.



Red Doom
Caldari
Red.
Red Republic
Posted - 2008.02.18 23:52:00 - [44]
 

Originally by: General Windypops
... the incessant use of noobships and other 'irrelevant' ships simply to create such ridiculous lag that tactics become impossible is ruining what could be some awesome fights. Your allies have more than enough firepower and numbers to win the battle and tbqh your playstyle is hindering rather than helping your cause.



It seems to me (as a noob in Empire space) that what underpins the maddening lag-fest that large-scale combat can be is not Goonswarm per se but the mechanics of the game. Organizations of players will always come and go but the mechanics of any game are always there to stay. If a game effectively breaks when XXX numbers of players meet then itís the mechanics that need to be altered.

Whats the validity in complaining about noobships? Could be that each of those noobships has a noob player in it that wants a taste of 0.0, which IMO is a valid reason for them to be there irrespective of what the effects on the game are. Worst case, could be that people who are capable of bringing a sledgehammer of a ship to the battle are told instead to bring a rubber mallet simply because its more important they be there to create lag for yet more powerful players, which IMO is NOT a valid reason to be there and is simply an exploit of mechanics. I donít know, but either way itís still the mechanics that fail.

As someone who has signed up to Eve for the long haul I donít really fancy arriving at a point in end-game play where the most interesting part of Eve is watching a frozen session loading screen for 10 minutes only to eventually load up in a new clone a dozen systems away.

Dyson
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2008.02.19 00:14:00 - [45]
 

Originally by: Red Doom
Originally by: General Windypops
... the incessant use of noobships and other 'irrelevant' ships simply to create such ridiculous lag that tactics become impossible is ruining what could be some awesome fights. Your allies have more than enough firepower and numbers to win the battle and tbqh your playstyle is hindering rather than helping your cause.



It seems to me (as a noob in Empire space) that what underpins the maddening lag-fest that large-scale combat can be is not Goonswarm per se but the mechanics of the game. Organizations of players will always come and go but the mechanics of any game are always there to stay. If a game effectively breaks when XXX numbers of players meet then itís the mechanics that need to be altered.

Whats the validity in complaining about noobships? Could be that each of those noobships has a noob player in it that wants a taste of 0.0, which IMO is a valid reason for them to be there irrespective of what the effects on the game are. Worst case, could be that people who are capable of bringing a sledgehammer of a ship to the battle are told instead to bring a rubber mallet simply because its more important they be there to create lag for yet more powerful players, which IMO is NOT a valid reason to be there and is simply an exploit of mechanics. I donít know, but either way itís still the mechanics that fail.

As someone who has signed up to Eve for the long haul I donít really fancy arriving at a point in end-game play where the most interesting part of Eve is watching a frozen session loading screen for 10 minutes only to eventually load up in a new clone a dozen systems away.



Seconding this. The game lets us deploy an unlimited number of people in the game, so it's far from an exploitive tactic, and more that the game was poorly designed. Most games take into account the fact that you can only send and receive so much data without crashing; 64 player limits on most FPS games, Planetside had a population cap on each continent, Pirates of the Burning Sea allows only so many to be in a single fight at a time, so on and so forth.

But CCP seems to have forgone common sense to help provide a unique game experience, and now they are paying for it as the servers cannot handle what is happening. They further agitate the issue by providing ships which can destroy entire fleets, ships which can deploy several times their number of new entities which now have to be tracked, and ships which take an impressive fleet of non capital ships to destroy. So the issue really isn't one of what tactics we use, it's one of an attempt at a unique game design that wasn't thought through fully collapsing in on itself.

marakor
Gallente
Anti Lag Forum Smackers
Posted - 2008.02.19 00:14:00 - [46]
 

Edited by: marakor on 19/02/2008 00:21:08
Originally by: Zorlag
Originally by: marakor
Edited by: marakor on 18/02/2008 23:22:37
Originally by: arghy steelwill
Hahaha if anyones wondering why the obvious flame bait, BoB has engaged GS in a petition war where they petition anything they can to attempt to get us banned and of course CCP obliged them. The mighty BoB haveing to resort to crying to CCP because they cant defend any of their systems and the fair CCP looking at the problem with a fair and balanced view.


OMFG next thing you know they will spam out of game forums and start a threadnaught to blackmail ccp into nerfing aspects of the game so they can win space.

Maybe not, cos only a real low life alliance would do that.............





Hey marakor do you want to talk about that portrait pack that we had

you know, that out-of-game illegal mod that allowed us to see at a glance who was red and who was blue from chat windows without having to check info every time

do you want to talk about that marakor or do i have the wrong troll, i forget sometimes


I have no idea what you are talking about tbqh but it sounds like summat that anybody could have got and used so................

Nick Curso
Caldari
TunDraGon
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2008.02.19 00:14:00 - [47]
 

Edited by: Nick Curso on 19/02/2008 00:15:18
Originally by: Havoc GunStar


We get by with a little help from our FRIENDS. You know, as opposed to SLAVES.



Just quoting this for the next time there our allies to suit a goonie argument :p

Sekhmet Orion
Minmatar
Mad-Warping-Maniacs
Posted - 2008.02.19 00:21:00 - [48]
 

Originally by: Nick Curso

Just quoting this for the next time there our allies to suit a goonie argument :p


The pen mightier than the sword?

Let's hope so..for your sake Wink

Nick Curso
Caldari
TunDraGon
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2008.02.19 00:23:00 - [49]
 

Originally by: Sekhmet Orion
Originally by: Nick Curso

Just quoting this for the next time there our allies to suit a goonie argument :p


The pen mightier than the sword?

Let's hope so..for your sake Wink


Is this another e-English teacher?

Cippalippus Primus
Caldari
eXceed Inc.
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2008.02.19 00:26:00 - [50]
 

Hey nick o/
I'm confused about this thread, what would you do in our shoes? Be sincere please.

Doddy
Gallente
Excidium.
Executive Outcomes
Posted - 2008.02.19 00:28:00 - [51]
 

Originally by: Red Doom
Could be that each of those noobships has a noob player in it that wants a taste of 0.0, which IMO is a valid reason for them to be there irrespective of what the effects on the game are.



Seriously you are out of noobships an hour into this game tops, a lot less if you make a combat character. And if you are really noob then at that point you are still trying to figure out what is going on, not joining a 0.0 alliance and going to kill titans/dreads/pos' whatever. When the noobships in question are unfitted apart from a civi railgun then u gotta say they shouldn't be there Smile personally i have only seen noobships deliberately used in combat by the coalition on one occaission (and the node crash may have cost them a titan kill on that occaission so lol)so i think people bang on about it a bit much.

marakor
Gallente
Anti Lag Forum Smackers
Posted - 2008.02.19 00:32:00 - [52]
 


Originally by: Havoc GunStar


We get by with a little help from our FRIENDS. You know, as opposed to SLAVES.




So do you deine a friend as somebody you try to steal a titan from or is that just how RA defines friendship cos you say that you are very close to them and claim to be uber brosefs?.

Nick Curso
Caldari
TunDraGon
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2008.02.19 00:34:00 - [53]
 

Edited by: Nick Curso on 19/02/2008 00:35:10
Originally by: Cippalippus Primus
Hey nick o/
I'm confused about this thread, what would you do in our shoes? Be sincere please.


o/ cippa,

This is indeed a toughy, not being brave enough myself to turn down an ultimatum from the controversial major General Windypoos with his obviously vast experience in leading alliances to greatness, come on anyone who names themselves General must be important right? I would bow to his demand and do as he wishes.

I wish you the best of luck under the reign of the Almighty overlord Major General P0ops

Take care of yourself,

Sincerely

Nick

xxx

edit:

Ohmylawd p0ops is apparently a naughty word

ceyriot
Minmatar
Munition Delivery Services
Posted - 2008.02.19 00:37:00 - [54]
 

props to windy YARRRR!!

Cippalippus Primus
Caldari
eXceed Inc.
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2008.02.19 00:39:00 - [55]
 

Originally by: Nick Curso

o/ cippa,

This is indeed a toughy, not being brave enough myself to turn down an ultimatum from the controversial major General Windypoos with his obviously vast experience in leading alliances to greatness, come on anyone who names themselves General must be important right? I would bow to his demand and do as he wishes.

I wish you the best of luck under the reign of the Almighty overlord Major General P0ops

Take care of yourself,

Sincerely

Nick

xxx

edit:

Ohmylawd p0ops is apparently a naughty word


This is a pretty important matter and I need to ponder on it before making a final decision. Thanks for your advice.
:-***** and much <3
Sincerely yours
Cippa

General Windypops
Gallente
The Littlest Hobos
En Garde
Posted - 2008.02.19 00:43:00 - [56]
 

Originally by: Nick Curso
anyone who names themselves General must be important right?


I'm still trying to work out if General Starscream outranks me. Then again, I'm fairly sure he's not a REAL General.

marakor
Gallente
Anti Lag Forum Smackers
Posted - 2008.02.19 00:46:00 - [57]
 

Originally by: General Windypops
Originally by: Nick Curso
anyone who names themselves General must be important right?


I'm still trying to work out if General Starscream outranks me. Then again, I'm fairly sure he's not a REAL General.



I worked with a fella from africa who moved here with his parents called "colonel nelson" he was a great chap and told me that his parents named him before they had learned our langauge properly.

Havoc GunStar
Caldari
GoonWaffe
SOLODRAKBANSOLODRAKBANSO
Posted - 2008.02.19 00:49:00 - [58]
 

Originally by: marakor

Originally by: Havoc GunStar


We get by with a little help from our FRIENDS. You know, as opposed to SLAVES.




So do you deine a friend as somebody you try to steal a titan from or is that just how RA defines friendship cos you say that you are very close to them and claim to be uber brosefs?.

Please re-state your question in the form of a question.. that ... makes sense.

marakor
Gallente
Anti Lag Forum Smackers
Posted - 2008.02.19 00:54:00 - [59]
 

Originally by: Havoc GunStar
Originally by: marakor

Originally by: Havoc GunStar


We get by with a little help from our FRIENDS. You know, as opposed to SLAVES.




So do you define a friend as somebody you try to steal a titan from or is that just how RA defines friendship cos you say that you are very close to them and claim to be uber brosefs?.

Please re-state your question in the form of a question.. that ... makes sense.


It seems quite understandable to me but hey if you wanna plead ignorance or no abla englais to avoid answering.....................

Yuki Nagato
Gallente
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2008.02.19 00:58:00 - [60]
 

Originally by: Havoc GunStar
Please re-state your question in the form of a question.. that ... makes sense.


He's talking about DMC.

As far as I know RA scammed DMC which is apparently a horrible offense and entirely dishonourable and nobody has ever scammed anyone in the game ever. HONOUR.


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