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codex09
Minmatar
StarFleet Enterprises
BricK sQuAD.
Posted - 2008.02.15 00:39:00 - [31]
 


Is baiting and killing new players good for the game?

Answer is no for many reasons but here are a few:

As a new player they are more often than not still learning about what does what on their HUD and for a lot of new players this can be a very stressful time.
Coming along and killing them doesn't make learning how to do things easier or less stressful, it makes it all the more stressful and some times it is the straw that breaks the horses back. (eg, they give up trying to play as they now think that this is what is going to keep happening to them all the time)

CCP have made this petitionable for a reason and it isn't because it is good for new players, so instead of trying to make yourself feel better by picking on people that have no hope in hell of beating you go find the nearest lowsec system and hang around the stations in there for a while, I am sure you will find a few people that will be only too happy to take you on...



goodby4u
Valor Inc.
Valor Empire
Posted - 2008.02.15 00:43:00 - [32]
 

I used to do this kind of stuff when I was a younger player becuase I would get my arse kicked by real pilots....But this is an act that I have come to despise and although I dont believe it should or is a bannable offense,vigilantism is a very good way to solve it.

Frug
Omega Wing
Snatch Victory
Posted - 2008.02.15 00:46:00 - [33]
 

Undock from the newbie station in an interceptor fitted for pvp. Take the can and let them shoot you. Then kill them.

I say use an interceptor because it looks like a newbie frigate.

Lord Evangelian
Gallente
The White Mantle
Malum Exuro
Posted - 2008.02.15 01:18:00 - [34]
 

Edited by: Lord Evangelian on 15/02/2008 01:21:58
I have a speeder Ares Class Interceptor for this very reason....I depise can baiting as it stops new players from liking a game that I have come to love so much. Any one who does this is killing the game. Back in my noob days when I complained about this in local, I got told to go away and stop whining...

It annoyed me as this was the time when noob baiting was in its hieght with the rookie complexes, where people would wait after killing all teh NPCs, with lots of cans around with the rookie keycard in it. This annoye dme no hell, but now IM old enough to fight back for the newbie...I do and well will ask you all to do the same if th eopertunity arises...

I remember once being told by a GM to move from the complex becuse he thought I was baiting. A 3 year old player in a velator takes loot from my 2 week old GF (now split up but she still plays) wreck. She attacked him and got destroyed becuase he came back in a bigger ship. I went in with my domi (at the time), as he was flagged to corp, and poped him in his brutix. he returned in a velator 3 times...I poped them all. He must have petitioned me becuase with in 5-10 mins a GM apeared in a polaris telling me to leave teh complex area. Ever since then I have loathed them doubly as much...

edit: Loathed Baiters that is...GMs are nice people and protect this game from bad things...Shocked

Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
Posted - 2008.02.15 01:38:00 - [35]
 

Originally by: Aprudena Gist
new person baiting is always funny and fun.


What's more fun is to petition and have the baiters banned.

Mossreach
Posted - 2008.02.15 02:48:00 - [36]
 

As a newbie (started last month) the thing i found more lame about the game is the blatant macro mining and gold selling. You cant use rookie chat because of the non-stop scrolling ad spam, and meanwhile you see the same names in hulks 24/7 in the starter systems.

People ask if they're macroing in local, petition them and so on, and they're still there day after day, never talking, never leaving the system, just hoovering up the veldspar like fat kids on cupcakes.

If ccp want to present a more appealing game to new players then blocking hulks from entering the starter systems and policing rookie chat would be a good start. It's trivial now, but as a brand new player my first impression of eve was that its made up of 90% macroers. It doesnt exactly inspire you to "stick around and get in on the fun".

The reason I mention all this, is that as a new player can baiters are the first sign you see that there are actually some humans playing.. so in this respect they're kind of providing a service.

Now, if one of you veterans could post a guide telling can baiters how to work together to kill macroing hulks in highsec.. that would solve both problems Very Happy

Aprudena Gist
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2008.02.15 02:52:00 - [37]
 

Originally by: Danton Marcellus
Originally by: Aprudena Gist
new person baiting is always funny and fun.


What's more fun is to petition and have the baiters banned.


its perfectly legitmate to kill them outside of high sec space which is where i run into them because really who goes into highsec.

Micheal Dietrich
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2008.02.15 03:37:00 - [38]
 

Originally by: Aprudena Gist


its perfectly legitmate to kill them outside of high sec space which is where i run into them because really who goes into highsec.


Last I checked newbie starting area's were in highsec. I think your in the wrong thread.

Siigari Kitawa
Gallente
Perditus Peregrinus
Posted - 2008.02.15 04:07:00 - [39]
 

OMGZ INTERNET DRAMAS!!!!!!!!1111

Heaven forbid we play the game the way it was intended to be played Rolling Eyes

Besides, all you ever do is orbit Duripant station in your ceptor anyway.

Lord Evangelian
Gallente
The White Mantle
Malum Exuro
Posted - 2008.02.15 07:13:00 - [40]
 

Edited by: Lord Evangelian on 15/02/2008 07:14:53
lol glad you remember me ;)

I make a point of it if I'm not on an operation, rather than just sitting in station twiddling my thumbs....

And besides...I do other stuffs...EmbarassedConfused

KonKord
Ballbaggers
Posted - 2008.02.15 08:49:00 - [41]
 

The problem is for the most part out of a 1000 players that see this harrassment, 999 won't file a petition.

Personally and this probably shows how morally bereft I am, but I play eve to play, not to improve the experience for others, not spend me time searching for flaws and reporting things.

In my mind this is a particularly difficult and rife problem, which means in my mind CCP should invest some resource in pro-active defense.

I've seen in the nubby channels the ISD bods talking and helping people in rookie channel, can they have the powers to report players griefing? Can they fly around nub systems reporting these griefers?

I think there's some real value in that.

Roy Batty68
Caldari
Immortal Dead
Posted - 2008.02.15 10:01:00 - [42]
 

Originally by: konkord
The problem is for the most part out of a 1000 players that see this harrassment, 999 won't file a petition.

Well, to be fair, I think that there really isn't many reasons for older players to go back to starter systems during normal gameplay. That being the case, we just don't see it. Seems most of them are deadend systems with only one or two stations in them.

I assume that CCP did this intentionally to try and ease the crowding of starter systems such as kisogo. Well... seems to be the case anyway in my experience. Perhaps it's different in other regions.

Anyway, main point being that it's my impression that there just aren't many older players hanging out in starter systems so judging how well we would police ourselves is probably error prone.

Cipher7
Posted - 2008.02.15 10:34:00 - [43]
 


CCP should remove the trash from the game TBQFH.

Lil'Red Ridin'Hood
Evolution
IT Alliance
Posted - 2008.02.15 11:06:00 - [44]
 

Originally by: konkord
The problem is for the most part out of a 1000 players that see this harrassment, 999 won't file a petition.

Another problem is that many players don't know which systems are starter systems.
I've started my main a long time ago, and I don't use alts (got one, but haven't used him in ages). So I've got no idea which ones are in the no-bait zone.

The few times I do go through high-sec, I see those cans at virtually every half-way busy station. I've got no idea which systems are starter systems, though, and I don't want to file 50 useless petitions since it seems to be okay for CCP to bait in non-starter systems.

RaTTuS
BIG
Gentlemen's Agreement
Posted - 2008.02.15 11:14:00 - [45]
 

Starter systems are 1.0

Falkrich Swifthand
Caldari
eNinjas Incorporated
Posted - 2008.02.15 11:56:00 - [46]
 

Starter systems are the ones with dozens of rookie ships leaving the station.
(Rookie ships have a small overview icon.) They're 1.0, and have the word "School" at the end of the station name (eg School Of Applied Knowledge School).

Lorna Loot
Caldari
NibbleTek
Posted - 2008.02.15 12:11:00 - [47]
 

Could you perhaps mail me the system? Noob ship can baiters are fun to play with Twisted Evil.

Even if they dont attack you bumping them and general grief (within game rules) moves them along nicly. Until that is your locator agent finds them Laughing

Louis deGuerre
Gallente
Malevolence.
Posted - 2008.02.15 12:13:00 - [48]
 

It is blantantly obvious that there are noob baiters active all the time in starter systems.
I'm paranoid so I never fell for the can trap :)
New players are also frequently killed by canflipping.
It is very demoralizing to new players to get nuked that way their first day in what they think is safe highsec space.
If CCCP is smart they should take an more active stance as this is costing them potential clients.
Just flag someone as red to the general public if he kills a player in highsec and the player is less than 1 week old. We'll sort it out from there.

Eleana Tomelac
Gallente
Eclats de verre
Posted - 2008.02.15 12:34:00 - [49]
 

Originally by: Falkrich Swifthand
Starter systems are the ones with dozens of rookie ships leaving the station.
(Rookie ships have a small overview icon.) They're 1.0, and have the word "School" at the end of the station name (eg School Of Applied Knowledge School).


I would add that the starter systems have only one station and it's as you said a school station.
There are 12 universities (and each one has a home system for noobs that is 1.0, one station only and there are noobs around not flying straight, empty rookie ships, concord podding noobs that didn't follow instructions properly...) :
*Gallente :
-Federal navy academy
-University of Caille
-Center for advanced studies

*Caldari :
-School of Applied Knowledge
-Science and Trade Institute
-State War Academy

*Amarr :
-Royal Amarr Institute
-Hedion University
-Imperial Academy

*Minmatar :
-Pator Tech School
-Republic University
-Republic Military School

Mr John22ta
Supercarrier Aggression
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2008.02.15 12:47:00 - [50]
 

Noob baiting is the lamest thing in game. I try to spend at least an hour a day in Kisigo taking bait cans. It's funny how they often won't fight when they see this chars age.

I have had moderate success there tho, and I am finding it harder to find bait cans when I'm in system, and baiters that I have fought before often take their cans in and dock.

I have petitioned some in the past, and this does seem to work.

I think that any char that has been warned about baiting should be banned on the second offence. This tactic costs CCP money, due to the trials leaving eve, and never converting to a paying account.

I hate baiters in noob systemsan and hope that I can at least help cut down the number of baiters.


Chuck Skull
b.b.k
Fidelas Constans
Posted - 2008.02.15 12:51:00 - [51]
 

I don't have a problem with piracy itself, it's a legitimate part of the game, but this is just pathetic.

Mr John22ta
Supercarrier Aggression
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2008.02.15 12:56:00 - [52]
 

Edited by: Mr John22ta on 15/02/2008 12:57:40
Double post, sorry

Krxon Blade
Posted - 2008.02.15 13:11:00 - [53]
 

How to bite noob baiter

If you are skilled pilot,
create combat oriented alt, spend several hrs for training necessary skills - scrambler, extenders, ab, sb, etc.
Buy toughest frig, fit best t1 mods and steal from "free loot" can.
Don't fill bio
Baiter will look in your employment history and when he see that your only one day old he will certainly engage.
Your experience in combat and good mods should provide you victory
After that smack baiter in local with properly moral YARRRR!!

Lorna Loot
Caldari
NibbleTek
Posted - 2008.02.15 13:22:00 - [54]
 

Originally by: Krxon Blade
How to bite noob baiter

If you are skilled pilot,
create combat oriented alt, spend several hrs for training necessary skills - scrambler, extenders, ab, sb, etc.
Buy toughest frig, fit best t1 mods and steal from "free loot" can.
Don't fill bio
Baiter will look in your employment history and when he see that your only one day old he will certainly engage.
Your experience in combat and good mods should provide you victory
After that smack baiter in local with properly moral YARRRR!!



Exactly, in just a few hours you can have an incursus with t2 light neutrons, repper, a cap booster and a mag stab if you choose the right char setup (caldari state war academy i think). Its enough to kill combat ospreys pretty effectivly anywayTwisted EvilTwisted Evil

Dracorimus
Caldari
Veto.
Veto Corp
Posted - 2008.02.15 13:27:00 - [55]
 

If they are genuinely new chars, have a different server to begin with to get aquainted with Eve and all of its many features, then when you feel you are ready you can join the main server and select to have your char/assets/and isk moved over, perhaps this is something that can be considered. Eve university is an option but as we have seen in recent times, idiots wardec them to make life impossible for new players still. So an overhaul of the war dec system wouldnt go amiss here either.

I know this is possible to be abused by existing/older/experienced players making new accounts, however I am sure that ccp could have a system put in place to stop people doing this, especially since steam will be used then its easier to stop the multi account abuser's picking on new players which is bad for the game.

ApaKaka
Lone Starr Corporation
Posted - 2008.02.15 13:30:00 - [56]
 

1. Petition.
2. Ban.
3. Warm fuzzy feeling.
4. Waffles optional.

Butch Johnston
Posted - 2008.02.15 13:43:00 - [57]
 

Originally by: Etchyboy
From my understanding baiting noobs in a new player zone can result in a BAN.


why?

There is a message that pops up to warn people about stealing, if they choose to not read it, well.. too bad for them, not like they lose anything anyway.

Roy Gordon
Caldari
Caldari Advanced Response Division
Power Of 3
Posted - 2008.02.15 14:23:00 - [58]
 

Hmmmm...whats to prevent a few of you moving near the station and cloaking, ganging with someone in a newbie ship fitted with dampers/lock time scripts and then uncloaking, webbing, scrambling the scumbags?

Beef Hardslab
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
Posted - 2008.02.15 14:46:00 - [59]
 

Originally by: Roy Gordon
Hmmmm...whats to prevent a few of you moving near the station and cloaking, ganging with someone in a newbie ship fitted with dampers/lock time scripts and then uncloaking, webbing, scrambling the scumbags?


Concord

Letouk Mernel
Caldari
Posted - 2008.02.15 15:13:00 - [60]
 

Originally by: Butch Johnston
why?

There is a message that pops up to warn people about stealing, if they choose to not read it, well.. too bad for them, not like they lose anything anyway.


Because they are newbies, and CCP wants new players to join the game. Simply put, by banning you they lose your $15 per month, but possibly gain, uh, how many newbies can you bait, shoot, and drive out of the game per hour? 15, 20? 200 per day? 6000 per month?

Banning you results in a positive balance in their book, so they will do it.


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