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Sinbad56
Caldari
NibbleTek
RED.OverLord
Posted - 2008.02.03 18:04:00 - [31]
 

Originally by: McFly
Empire WarDeccers...... <sigh>

I'm guessing an RK member did get trigger happy, and that's what brought Concord into it.




You make it sound like it was just one RK, try 5 of them doing it.

Trass
Caldari
Lamb Federation Navy
C0VEN
Posted - 2008.02.03 18:15:00 - [32]
 

To get a bit of attention we was flying around in group in Oijj, BWF, 8MG etc. In 0.0 systems which they temporary clamed we was outnumbered 3-4:1 taking local. We was waiting, waiting, and ... waiting. Its really disapointing when two our pilots jumping into 8MG, and suddenly whole bunch of smash/rk guys insta running away to their outpost. Well yes thats probably normal way of play for them, anyway still no fight...

So we decide to stay in one very visible place in Airaken (gate Oijj) because it could be a bit to hard for smash guys to locate 1x man gang flying on one of three systems, really...
With little help from RK they 'find' us in Airaken, staying and waiting. Few times a recon/cops decloaked >100k from gate. Some smack talk like smash is invincible, and that we better run away and things like that. Well it doesnt help at all (sorry guys) and we was still waiting for them.

After some time, they came and fight was started. Like my corpmates write before, when smash saw that they not winning (outnumbered us didnt help much), more their allies jumped and they start laghell with concord, drones etc. We was having scouts in two system ahead, and we know about blob before fight was started.

Difference is that we're not running away when we know that we all probably die, almost everytime we are outnumbered and thats a normal thing for us.
Anyway we are a small corp - yes, so small engagement too, but we didnt join this corp to run away, but to fight, and thats what we doing.

Well truth is that (sorry for that) coward smash can't win without blobing (simmilar to RK their allies). They cant win fight in hi sec for example 10 vs 10 and they know that. Thats nothing new, they are like they are and thats probably wont change.

BTW if someone want great KB ratio, really... join BoB, and engage only when you know that you will win without probs, and/or press self destruct if something goes wrong (no offence to BoB fans).

Porgy
Caldari
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2008.02.03 18:19:00 - [33]
 

Originally by: Elijah
Hoping for a fight in empire, where Smash no longer had the advantage of their allies and/or carrier spasm but we can dock up quickly just in case we still dont have the advantage


completed your sentence. Don't bite off more than you can chew and stick to fighting other corps or alliances that are maybe a little more on your level.

Dez Affinity
Caldari
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2008.02.03 18:21:00 - [34]
 

Wait you are saying that the lag CONCORD caused stopped you from winning? Do you not believe that both sides suffer from lag? Do you not believe CONCORD EEEEEEENSTAPOP with great vengeance and furious anger those who commit a crime?

Sorry dude I'm not buying it.

There was a SMASHKILL gang already around when someone said 'oh look smash wts in airaken', so they took the gang there, there was 'accidents'.

Oh and MAH K/D RATIO NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Mistress Suffering
Amarr
Einherjar Rising
Cry Havoc.
Posted - 2008.02.03 18:32:00 - [35]
 

Wardec Roadkill too. Problem solved.

Your mistake is simply in assuming that they aren't going to help each other just because you only wardec'd one of them.


Elijah
Minmatar
Blind Violence
Huzzah Federation
Posted - 2008.02.03 18:37:00 - [36]
 

Edited by: Elijah on 03/02/2008 18:39:08
Originally by: Porgy
Originally by: Elijah
Hoping for a fight in empire, where Smash no longer had the advantage of their allies and/or carrier spasm but we can dock up quickly just in case we still dont have the advantage


completed your sentence. Don't bite off more than you can chew and stick to fighting other corps or alliances that are maybe a little more on your level.


Lol yeah we really ran away and docked last night, admittedly im not going to have 5 of us engage 20 odd, but last night we knew the odds and stood our ground.

We are just miffed that every time we engage you 1 of your lot agro concord, last night in our logs we counted 4 RK members. Are they really that bad with their overview settings? If that is the case I retract my statement and apologize.

Trass
Caldari
Lamb Federation Navy
C0VEN
Posted - 2008.02.03 18:44:00 - [37]
 

Originally by: Mistress Suffering
Wardec Roadkill too. Problem solved.

Your mistake is simply in assuming that they aren't going to help each other just because you only wardec'd one of them.



Well its not quite as it is. We wardeced rk before and it was simmilar like now with their closest allies. I myself was in smashkill pet corp one year ago and i saw their 'tactics'.

Topic is a relation from small battle, nothing more. Besides this forum shouldnt be only about "great" war bob vs rsf so there is it.

Porgy
Caldari
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2008.02.03 18:49:00 - [38]
 

Originally by: Elijah
admittedly im not going to have 5 of us engage 20 odd,


then you chose the wrong group to dec. Its not like we sit around, sort, and divvy out proper portions of pilots to go engage people. We have an intel channel where people report when they see hostiles (yourselves) and anybody who cares to (and often times this can equal a blob since we are starving for pew pew) can x up and run the hostile down. If you think out of a conjoined Smash/Atlas/Chaos/Kill player pool you are going to only see 5 of us come meet your 5 then you are delusional and need to go find a much smaller entity to dec. Have a nice day.

Lottie
Gallente
Core Impulse
Posted - 2008.02.03 18:53:00 - [39]
 

Originally by: Trass

Difference is that we're not running away when we know that we all probably die, almost everytime we are outnumbered and thats a normal thing for us.



Originally by: Elijah

Lol yeah we really ran away and docked last night, admittedly im not going to have 5 of us engage 20 odd




Stoned Runner
Gallente
Advocates of Sin
Posted - 2008.02.03 19:23:00 - [40]
 

Originally by: Lottie
Originally by: Trass

Difference is that we're not running away when we know that we all probably die, almost everytime we are outnumbered and thats a normal thing for us.



Originally by: Elijah

Lol yeah we really ran away and docked last night, admittedly im not going to have 5 of us engage 20 odd





i quote dis... never gonna run but eventually you ran Arrow way out !

Pinza
Caldari
Interstellar eXodus
BricK sQuAD.
Posted - 2008.02.03 20:07:00 - [41]
 

Originally by: Elijah
During the course of the war, we [Personal Vendetta] have attempted to provoke Smash into bringing it. Needless to say hit and run tactics in Bwf and the surrounding low sec systems, were met by a combination of Smash and Roadkill ships. At this point I hasten to add we were only at war with Smash alliance.

Hoping for a fight in empire, where Smash no longer had the advantage of their allies and/or carrier spasm; we formed up with 11 bs along with 2-3 support ships on the Oijanen gate in Airaken (a 0.5 system). Around 22:30 eve time we received reports of around 30 odd Smash as well as multiple Roadkill jumping into Oijanen (estimated numbers were around 50 Smashkill in total of mixed Bs and support.)

It was looking like all our attempts at provoking Smash had worked as they formed up on the other side of our gate. Minute’s later local outside bumped from 70 to 130+, as both the Smash and Roadkill gang jumped in. Primaries were called, and the fight was going in our favor, even with R0adkill repping the smash ships, things went against us when the R0adkill gang decided to join in. As had happened twice previously, Roadkill ships aggressed our gang which brought Concord and completely lagged what had been previously lag free. The battle quickly turned into a slide show and PV started to take multiple losses, and Smash managed to take the field. In our minds there is no doubt that Smash’s plan all along was to have Roadkill aggress in order to bring in Concord and completely lag up the fight, thus insuring Smash could use their numerical advantage to force us to retreat.

Total Kills:Losses

BS: 6:6
CS: 1:1
Has: 1:1
Recon 0:2
Bc: 2:0
Dictor 1:0
Cruiser 3:0
Total 14:10

Congrats Smash and thanks for the fight pity you couldn’t win it without R0adkill holding your hands. shall we say same time tonight? but without concord =)


http://smash-alliance.com/kb/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=28713

Sure about that whole RK triggering Concord thing?

PS. Get more people and fight us in actual pvp space so you don't tear about the lag.

Eventus
Caldari
Demon Theory
UNLeashed Legion
Posted - 2008.02.03 20:28:00 - [42]
 

So your saying that concord won the fight for us. Not us breaking your remote rep tanks and killing you. I personally got on 2 Battleship killmails before going down adding enough dps to break the 2 large remote reps one of your bs had on another. I recieved no remote rep. After the fight my corp arranged another gang as we wanted some more pvp, as soon as we jump to air, you guys ran to new caldari and began logging. If you hadnt noticed this is EVE finding fair fights happens sometimes but not very often.

CiNi
Caldari
The Ankou
Raiden.
Posted - 2008.02.03 21:16:00 - [43]
 

Originally by: Mistress Suffering
Wardec Roadkill too. Problem solved.

Your mistake is simply in assuming that they aren't going to help each other just because you only wardec'd one of them.




This

Hi PV <3

Splagada
Minmatar
Tides of Silence
Posted - 2008.02.03 21:41:00 - [44]
 

Edited by: Splagada on 03/02/2008 21:41:27
Quote:
Total 14:10


lol

much ado about nothing

The Comatorium
Caldari
Paxton Industries
Paxton Federation
Posted - 2008.02.03 22:01:00 - [45]
 

Edited by: The Comatorium on 03/02/2008 22:02:37
Doesnt SMASH have a 300 man fleet or so with POS spammin Triumvirates space... or was it just one of their "we can do it but it means we cant get drunk tonite" operations... like helping Ronin kick a bunch of Industrial corps out of outer Rings with a 60 man fleet and leaving 1 by 1 the day after without any fights.

or maybe... they are so threatened by PV! oh i get it now... Nevermind!

Anikadir
Minmatar
JC Ferguson and Son Ltd
Ferguson Alliance
Posted - 2008.02.03 22:14:00 - [46]
 

Originally by: Trass
I myself was in smashkill pet corp one year ago and i saw their 'tactics'.


We have "pets"??

Can I ask for one of those nasty little siamese cats (the bald ones with the ebil eyes) then? I can then fire it at my foe when I run out of missiles :D

Funky Feeling
Caldari
Interstellar eXodus
BricK sQuAD.
Posted - 2008.02.03 22:52:00 - [47]
 

We won simply because when one of the newer guys brought in Concord.. I blew the buggers up in my doomsday osprey.

tsk tsk.. whine because the game mechanics got in the way of a horribly bad plan.

next time.. jump where concord can't screw you.

Now excuse me... I have to go see my concord parole officer.

Chr0nosX
Caldari
Habitual Euthanasia
Cry Havoc.
Posted - 2008.02.04 00:07:00 - [48]
 

Edited by: Chr0nosX on 04/02/2008 00:10:43
Originally by: Elijah
In our minds there is no doubt that Smash’s plan all along was to have Roadkill aggress in order to bring in Concord and completely lag up the fight, thus insuring Smash could use their numerical advantage to force us to retreat.



Ermm no. It was just RK nubs shooting. If the point was to lag up the fight I don't think they would of aggressed in battleships. Anyway if you don't like concord - maybe come out of Hisec into BWF in force. Im actually suprised how well it went for SMASH (I think RK repping helped a lot) seeing as it was just a mix and match gang against a BS spider tanking gang.

EvilChipmunk
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2008.02.04 00:56:00 - [49]
 

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Peoke
Caldari
Interstellar eXodus
BricK sQuAD.
Posted - 2008.02.04 01:24:00 - [50]
 

Smash and rk have 2 seperate names because of the way we came to geminate. the corps in rk left chimera pact and created roadkill. we left xzh and goon war with d2 to take a chunk of our own space. we headed to old space we knew of as we help vale stations for a time. we show up see scooter1 in local. next day ratel drops outpost we told them not to. we decided years of fighting eachother as smash and stain. then working with each other vs g and iron azn invasion. Made the simple a single alliance with 2 names. 4 leaders at the top with 2 figure heads. as you have it today Peoke and scooter1, we wont be divided as we took our homes and defended them. as for a fight head in deeper then bwf, i dont give a crap about campers there.

Lorq vonRay
Caldari
More-Cowbell
Posted - 2008.02.04 02:22:00 - [51]
 

read this
i laughed, i cried

then i forgot y this matters at all

Crackzilla
Minmatar
The Shadow Order
Posted - 2008.02.04 04:22:00 - [52]
 

Edited by: Crackzilla on 04/02/2008 04:24:24
Originally by: Elijah
...lot agro concord, ... bad with their overview settings...


Many of us rarely visit Empire. It isn't unusual to go a few months without leaving 0.0. Low sec is more common, but even then there isn't any worry about Concord.

Spend that much time shooting anything not blue and its a natural reaction in empire. I sincerely doubt that more than a few have empire specific overview settings because its more likely a major patch will be released that nukes the settings before the overview is even used again.





Calypso's Wrath
Caldari
Mad Bombers
Guns and Alcohol
Posted - 2008.02.04 06:09:00 - [53]
 

Any of you people who think its dumb for a small corp to War dec a 00 alliance don't know what your missing. As BWL may have been a minor annoyance to the likes of Smash/RK, CVA, or Ka-tet they sure as hell know who we are. I don't know ONE 0.0 alliance that can keep a positive ratio vs a small gurilla Corp raiding against them.

Good on you, Personal Vendetta. Keep up the fight.



FinrodFelagund
Minmatar
Roman Sandals
THAT Alliance
Posted - 2008.02.04 09:06:00 - [54]
 

Originally by: Calypso's Wrath
Any of you people who think its dumb for a small corp to War dec a 00 alliance don't know what your missing. As BWL may have been a minor annoyance to the likes of Smash/RK, CVA, or Ka-tet they sure as hell know who we are. I don't know ONE 0.0 alliance that can keep a positive ratio vs a small gurilla Corp raiding against them.

Good on you, Personal Vendetta. Keep up the fight.


The deccing is not dumb! It's the smack and complaints about blobbing that most of these corps do that is.

Lprezidente
Minmatar
Mad Bears
Ultima Rati0
Posted - 2008.02.04 09:26:00 - [55]
 

Edited by: Lprezidente on 04/02/2008 09:54:15
It is blatently obvious that not many of you have actually taken in what the OP said.

We are in no way whining about the numbers that were brought in, we have lived in the area long enough to know that the Smash guys and RK guys are pretty much a whole unit, that tends to go without saying and good luck to them.

The whole point of this was to outline the fact that even though they outnumbered us at least 4 - 1 they still felt the need to drag concord in to the fight knowing full well what effect this would have on the system and also knowing full well that this would take out the effectiveness of the PV gang.

We are a small corp and as such nearly always end up fighting outnumbered and this is not an issue in any way shape or form. but, when we take on a much bigger force and start whittling them down, due to us being organised and not dependent on numbers then it is a shame.

And as for us running, I am quite sure that no FC worth his salt would put his gang out to fight something he didnt think he had even a slim chance of walking away from.

We regrouped and if i recall correctly came back to nail another on the gate.

You can have a look at our KB and see that our tactic was holding fine until you brought concord in, admittedly we lost two members at the beginning but it was a further 6 mins until we lost another which was due to concord being brought in and the lag this caused and us being unable to lock / repair etc.

I seem to recall a convo in airaken local last night between a Smash / RK (apologies as i cant recall which alliance the member was from) and a TRI guy, the Smashkill guy was saying that TRI only come into BWF with nano gangs and smack, smack, smack.

10 mins later a 9 man TRI BS gang drops in to BWF and the Smash/RK blob disperesed immediately.

So you gents can flame all you like as you are the worst culprits.

But all said, its a game and we all try to enjoy it.

Ventro69
Caldari
Manson Family
Corcoran State
Posted - 2008.02.04 09:57:00 - [56]
 


Are you just trying to justify the contract?

Keep in mind we jumped into a system where you guys had the grids loaded already. You had the benefit from the lag for the first bit.

I got on like 5 kill mails with a Blackbird, including a Falcon that I was able to jam up. Skills?

Your corp is 20 odd strong and you dec a large alliance like Smash, then complain about being outnumbered?

You seem to find excuses for everything you do wrong. 2 days prior, when a Vagabond and Deimos couldn't pin down my Thorax, you accused me of having stabs fitted, whilst I had for some silly reason only had one ECM fitted. With 7 of you in system, you were still unable to kill me, even when I jumped into your gate camp.

If you suck at being merc's, go mine.

To your client, money wasted. I won't hire these guys again tbh.


Iva Soreass
Caldari
Friar's Club
Posted - 2008.02.04 10:05:00 - [57]
 

Keep smacking smash makes you guys look oh so great, funny how its always you guys that smack in local when we pop you.

And who said anything about it being a contract?

Ventro69
Caldari
Manson Family
Corcoran State
Posted - 2008.02.04 10:12:00 - [58]
 


Stating the fatcs is not smacking.

Anyways, can PV please stop noobs from posting. The skilled, mature players are trying to enjoy the game.

If there is no contract and you're funding this yourselves, follow my advice, go mine.


Talpa Iute
Gallente
Blind Violence
Huzzah Federation
Posted - 2008.02.04 10:17:00 - [59]
 

Lol one has to enjoy the smashkill smackmachine at work, start a thread about an engagement and they'll sure as hell lay the smacketh on ya.Laughing

Give them hell Eli and the gang Cool


Lprezidente
Minmatar
Mad Bears
Ultima Rati0
Posted - 2008.02.04 10:20:00 - [60]
 

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