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namelessclone01
Caldari
blackbox ops
Posted - 2008.10.24 02:06:00 - [211]
 

i just registered with a limited API key and will probably upgrade to the full API thing soon, since the full application is looking really great (judging from the screenshots).

you've done a great work here.
it's a shame that full API keys lead to all these problems with trust and that CCP didn't buy your work outright. ;) it would have really benefited their own website.
i wish i had a coldfusion server available to me to run my own copy.

i also have a couple of questions and/or proposals for future features:

1. has anything come out of your contacts with Chribba? or did your interaction with him stop at the early stage in March 2008?

2. concerning the skills i haven't yet met the requirements for, is it possible to calculate the total time needed to train all the missing prerequisites and provide that info on the skill popup? i'm sure it's possible algorithmically, just not sure if it's worth the processing power and time..

3. does either limited or full API provide info on jump clones (with their respective implant sets), FW decorations, faction/corp standings? if it does, are there any plans to integrate that info into your application?

wishing you all the best.
keep it up!

Sareah Mhar'kez
Amarr
Ministry of War
Posted - 2008.10.24 03:06:00 - [212]
 

Great work on this website. Fantastic layout. Looking forward to using it more. :)

Warn1nG Soul
Rionnag Alba
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2008.10.24 15:13:00 - [213]
 

i dont feel safe to put my full api key there, yet xD, but anyways, great work :).

Bimjo
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
Posted - 2008.10.24 17:48:00 - [214]
 

very nice, looks goodCool
I can even see what's in my containers in station from afar,something the game doesn't allowRolling Eyes

woddel
Gallente
Canis Industries Ltd
Avaricious Cartel
Posted - 2008.10.24 21:23:00 - [215]
 

hello namelessclone01

thanks for your comments. makes me happy to see people like my work. to your questions:

1. has anything come out of your contacts with Chribba? or did your interaction with him stop at the early stage in March 2008?

nope, there was nothing new after that. the api proxy does not seem to be ready yet (if it is still in development alltogether).

2. concerning the skills i haven't yet met the requirements for, is it possible to calculate the total time needed to train all the missing prerequisites and provide that info on the skill popup? i'm sure it's possible algorithmically, just not sure if it's worth the processing power and time..

yes, i could look into this sometimes... :) calculating the tree of skills first and then going for the respective times. but evemon does such a great job here (also displaying that graphically), it's not a big priority for me.

3. does either limited or full API provide info on jump clones (with their respective implant sets), FW decorations, faction/corp standings? if it does, are there any plans to integrate that info into your application?

there is not info on jump clones yet. also standings. maybe they add it some times. would be nice to have to be able to calculate like met requirements for an agent finder.

cheerios, woddel

woddel
Gallente
Canis Industries Ltd
Avaricious Cartel
Posted - 2008.10.24 21:26:00 - [216]
 

Originally by: Warn1nG Soul
i dont feel safe to put my full api key there, yet xD, but anyways, great work :).


hello Warn1nG Soul

easy. i understand your reservations. whenever you think i am trustworthy, you can upgrade. some current numbers : there are 1'273 accounts at the moment, 1'051 of them are full keys.

cheerios, woddel

Andreis
Caldari
Posted - 2008.10.25 04:31:00 - [217]
 

I'm comming from an objective view, having just come across your forum here, I think you really need to look into making this a stand-alone program.
I don't think you would even need to change the format, just switch the database over to an access db or include a sql setup in the install package and use localhost instead for the user's machine.

You see it's not just that people don't trust you. I for one think you are totally genuine.

The problem is, you are putting all that valuable data in one place. Even if you don't use it for anything, the possiablity is there. Also if, by some crazy process, someone else gains access to your database, they will then have access to that data.

Since all that data about people's pos's and market actions is in one place, it means your DB is a big target for hackers and the like. One could make a decent amount of isk (or even real money) on selling that info or use it to gain an unfair advantage in Eve.

One final insight, unless you have found some way around it that I have yet to see. You still have the problem of those API keys and the data they request being transmitted in plain text between your server and the Eve api system.

This is a huge problem since someone between you and the server, or in the area of either, can monitor the traffic happening there and start collecting the data themselves. This is a fairly easy operation and the only way around it is an SSL link to the eve server which, as far as I know, the API system does not support.

This is just one of those things where a single location/web server is not a good solution. I know many people have told you similiar things on this forum but I say this again only because it is kinda important, not only to the people that give you this information but also to the general stability of Eve.

We know you are not up to no good with this tool, but many players in Eve ARE up to no good and would love a target like this one to try and hack. Believe me, the best way to handle information in Eve is as distributed as possiable.
Please consider switching this over to a stand-alone program.

woddel
Gallente
Canis Industries Ltd
Avaricious Cartel
Posted - 2008.10.25 09:06:00 - [218]
 

Edited by: woddel on 25/10/2008 09:15:46
Originally by: Andreis
I'm comming from an objective view, having just come across your forum here, I think you really need to look into making this a stand-alone program...



hello andreis.

thanks for your objective feedback. Here my comments to your thoughts and questions:

a standalone program is not possible in the way of like evemon etc. The database has an empty size of about 250 megabytes, a lot more with data. also, the language it has been programmed with (coldfusion) is a web-based language like php/asp. but in contradiction to php/asp, this is not free software - the server software comes at 1300 dollars. ms access would also be rather too weak and slow for a database of such proportions. so, it takes a webhoster to run this page. this IS an option, as there IS a corporate edition of eve commander a corp can buy and run on their own servers (or at a hoster of their choice). eve commander never was intended by concept as a single user local installation software. there is other stuff for that: evemon, eft etc. the whole idea IS that you can access your data from anywhere at any time, being it at work, at university, at school or at a friend's.

concerning security: the server is located in switzerland, a country with very high standards in infrastructure and law. i know my provider (all the techies etc, as it is also the carrier isp for my own real life company) and their network setup very well. i do NOT think that there is a security concern of somebody tapping into that link for a long number of hops. doing a traceroute to the ccp api server, there are only three large providers/carriers involved from here to there.

last, i am a computer engineering specialist. i firmly believe that the data of all users (as well as my own) is well protected by firewall, software configuration and application security.

at last, i can only assure you again that i do my very very best to keep this software safe and trustworthy. all also in my very own interest for my own data and eve commander as a decent source of ingame income for me. i am very well aware that only the smallest problems could kill the project quickly. and of course my standard sentence in these cases: if you do not feel safe, do not use it.

cheerios, woddel

edit : EvEHQ is a standalone app that could be an option for you: EvEHQ

Mister Zero
Minmatar
Posted - 2008.10.25 09:32:00 - [219]
 

woddel, thank you for putting together a very impressive site. I too am using the limited key for now, I actually have no real reason to use the full one - but people are obviously paranoid. I think you've done a great job putting this together. It doesn't seem as though most of the negative comments are from people who understand what these API keys are for and what they can actually do.

If you're interested in signing up - but worried, use the limited key. Use an alt account just to try it out. It's an impressive site, very well done and I have no problem using my API key here, that's what it's for.

Thank you.

Elitia
Aikoku Inc.
Revival Of The Talocan Empire
Posted - 2008.10.25 10:20:00 - [220]
 

Just wanted to say that this is the best thing since sliced bread. Absolutely love it. Smile

woddel
Gallente
Canis Industries Ltd
Avaricious Cartel
Posted - 2008.11.02 09:22:00 - [221]
 

howdy all

due to the merger of my own mini-corp with a larger one, corporate management tools will be the next bigger step in development. raw ideas so far are the following modules: transportation tasks, production (including material calculator, mining planer, trade planner, pos management, expoloration management, general tasks and news for corp members. if any of you have specific ideas or wishes for these tools, please tell so...

cheerios, woddel

Mustikki
Posted - 2008.11.02 11:47:00 - [222]
 

I love this more than eft, maybe more than evemon. At work when I can't play eve per se, I can check out my finances, check out how much I'm spending where, planning what to buy from where plus so much more.
All very important stuff at eve which I never have the patience to do at home. If only my employer knew how much of my worktime I devote to eve.. but we won't tell him, right?

Chango Feltch
Posted - 2008.11.02 15:08:00 - [223]
 

Originally by: Phallan Jardis
EveMeep does require Full API key, don't it? So, what's the matter?



It smells all a bit sour grapes to me. Some people are jealous that he's made this and are desperate for the code so they can have their own version and wave their own epeen. Maybe a large cartel is desperate to keep this information to themselves and write similar apps themselves and Woddel wasn't part of that plan? Maybe I'm taking paranoid tablets but you get the idea.

I for one applaud him on the work he has done. Like many have said, don't like it, don't use it.

woddel
Gallente
Canis Industries Ltd
Avaricious Cartel
Posted - 2008.11.08 10:17:00 - [224]
 

bömp

Ghostwind
Gallente
Dead Skin Mask
Posted - 2008.11.08 11:16:00 - [225]
 

Edited by: Ghostwind on 08/11/2008 11:16:36
I haven't read through the entire thread, so bear with me.

This database would be too valuable for anyone to get a hold of. I am sure your intentions are sincere enough, but power corrupts, if not now then at a later date. If not you, then someone else on your team, or a hacker.

I wouldn't even trust the most trustworthy person besides myself in EVE-O, Chribba(sorry Chribba), a man who lives on his trust - regarding this database.

Cheap Dude
Posted - 2008.11.08 11:26:00 - [226]
 

The tool looks good, looking at the screenshots. But I got one problem with it, you storing all things in a database. Information = power.. even in EVE. And with everything in a database you can read means you got alot of information and thus power.

Aliedora
Caldari
Science and Trade Institute
Posted - 2008.11.08 11:30:00 - [227]
 

the amount of negative whining in this thread is truly staggering. I've been using eve-commander with 3 accounts for over 2 months now and have only had good experience with it. woddel has been nothing but helpful and I applaud him for his continued efforts in maintaining eve-commander despite all the negativity that was thrown at him.

I am honestly surprised at some remarks voiced here. no one is stealing your stuff, you don't even have to provide your full API key to use eve-commander. in fact, no one is forcing you to use it, if you don't like it - then stop whining and gtfo.

Ghostwind
Gallente
Dead Skin Mask
Posted - 2008.11.09 20:34:00 - [228]
 

Originally by: Aliedora
the amount of negative whining in this thread is truly staggering. I've been using eve-commander with 3 accounts for over 2 months now and have only had good experience with it. woddel has been nothing but helpful and I applaud him for his continued efforts in maintaining eve-commander despite all the negativity that was thrown at him.

I am honestly surprised at some remarks voiced here. no one is stealing your stuff, you don't even have to provide your full API key to use eve-commander. in fact, no one is forcing you to use it, if you don't like it - then stop whining and gtfo.
Seems like every point went right over your head.

woddel
Gallente
Canis Industries Ltd
Avaricious Cartel
Posted - 2008.11.13 17:26:00 - [229]
 

howdy all

quantum rise data has been imported… only thing yet missing are the new icons for the orca and the like. they will be integrated as soon as they become available.

cheerios, woddel

ps: and thanks for the nice comments above. eve commander has close to 1'400 users now...

Fantasy Desire
Annoyance.
Posted - 2008.11.13 19:12:00 - [230]
 

woddel,

Very cool. Believe it or not, I read the a lot of this thread and came to the conclusion to give it a try. I figured I could always change my API key if I didn't like it. The one thing this thread does not talk about is it's cost. This was my only down point, so I stopped my registration. I realize nothing in life is free, but all the other "services" sites I use are based on donation. Actually, I'd probably end up giving you more than your fee, it just feels funny paying a monthly charge for, as you've stated several times a beta product.

Thanks for taking the time to make this though. It looks like a very nice product. Maybe when it's out of beta I'll give it a try.

Thanks Bud!

woddel
Gallente
Canis Industries Ltd
Avaricious Cartel
Posted - 2008.11.13 21:49:00 - [231]
 

hello fantasy

beta? :) the project is long past beta and into productive use. i started developing eve commander this past february and it's been live since march.

the cost is always a point of discussion. i don't have a team of application developers at hand and so i end up spending a very large amount of time expanding the product, mostly based on feature requests from it's user base. it's very nice that you would consider donating for the project. but i would assume that you would be one of few. most people take everything for granted and expect it to be free. maybe i suck ingame playing eve, so this is one way to earn a living within the eve universe. and i would not consider a maximum of 8 mil isk for three (3) month a lot of money. this is like less than 15 minutes of ratting in 0.0 i heard.

... and the limited edition is completely free, as documented.

maybe you reconsider... :)

regards, woddel

Quacka
Minmatar
Dark Tree Industries
Posted - 2008.11.15 16:07:00 - [232]
 

Waa! I want this for my corp so bad!I don't quite understand the payment system. So its a 1 time payment of 1 bill isk for a corp with less then 25 members. What if my corporation expands beyond 25 members? Will i need to pay an addition 500 mill or 1.5bill or nothing? Also does the monthly maintainance fee go on top of that or is that for it you want to pay by month instead of the one time fee?

Thank you,
Quacka

woddel
Gallente
Canis Industries Ltd
Avaricious Cartel
Posted - 2008.11.15 23:00:00 - [233]
 

Originally by: Quacka
Waa! I want this for my corp so bad!...


Hia Quacka

thanks for your interest in the corporate edition of eve commander!

if you would like to use the corporate edition of eve commander on your own servers (if you can meet the requirements) or run your own customized copy on one of my own machines (like for example http://ec.thelordsofwar.org), it is a one time payment of 1 bil up, depending on corp size. if your corporation gets bigger, you only pay the difference to the desired new user limit.

the monthly maintainance is optional and additional to the one time setup fee and includes all future application updates. like in a while, there will be a lot of corporation collaboration tools like mining planers etc.

if the application is hosted on one of my own servers, i charge nothing for it. if it's on other servers, the respective hoster's fees apply - naturally. advantage for running it on my server is much easier maintainance/support for me and additional data for you (eve-central market data which is about a hundred megs extra in sql data plus distance/route tools (coming up soon) which take up another 900 meg (!) database. this could get VERY expensive on most webhosters.

if you have any further questions, please feel free to contact me.

cheerios, woddel

Aliedora
Caldari
Science and Trade Institute
Posted - 2008.11.21 19:18:00 - [234]
 

Originally by: woddel
Originally by: Quacka
Waa! I want this for my corp so bad!...


Hia Quacka

thanks for your interest in the corporate edition of eve commander!

if you would like to use the corporate edition of eve commander on your own servers (if you can meet the requirements) or run your own customized copy on one of my own machines (like for example http://ec.thelordsofwar.org), it is a one time payment of 1 bil up, depending on corp size. if your corporation gets bigger, you only pay the difference to the desired new user limit.

the monthly maintainance is optional and additional to the one time setup fee and includes all future application updates. like in a while, there will be a lot of corporation collaboration tools like mining planers etc.

if the application is hosted on one of my own servers, i charge nothing for it. if it's on other servers, the respective hoster's fees apply - naturally. advantage for running it on my server is much easier maintainance/support for me and additional data for you (eve-central market data which is about a hundred megs extra in sql data plus distance/route tools (coming up soon) which take up another 900 meg (!) database. this could get VERY expensive on most webhosters.

if you have any further questions, please feel free to contact me.

cheerios, woddel

woah, you mean there will be a jump planner in e-c soon?

Maximum KILLDEATHRATIO
Minmatar
24th Imperial Crusade
Posted - 2008.11.21 19:55:00 - [235]
 

calm down pussies, you don't have to use it

woddel
Gallente
Canis Industries Ltd
Avaricious Cartel
Posted - 2008.11.22 11:55:00 - [236]
 

hello everybody

market data got another expansion: your item portfolio can now be grouped by logical and free definable market data groups. you can now create groups like 'trade portfolio', 'pos materials', production necessities', 'production goods' etc. the more groups you create, the better is your overview over your stuff and the faster the application runs as there are fewer queries to run. groups are managed in the config page and are available as of right now. feedback welcome.

cheerios, woddel

woddel
Gallente
Canis Industries Ltd
Avaricious Cartel
Posted - 2008.11.22 12:02:00 - [237]
 

Originally by: Aliedora
woah, you mean there will be a jump planner in e-c soon?


hello Aliedora

yes, there should be. i'm still trying to figure out an efficient way to do things like 'avoid lowsec' (or the reverse) and stuff. also, what could be done to create some great new uses for such a tool: a tool that simply tells you the route from A to B is somewhat boring. features could be like : 'i need to run trade deliveries from jita to oursualert, dodixie, orvolle, rens and dresi - what is the shortest route around?'

coming up sometimes... :)

so far it's been used on a little side project 'eve commander agent finder' -> agents.eve-commander.com.

cheerios, woddel

woddel
Gallente
Canis Industries Ltd
Avaricious Cartel
Posted - 2008.11.26 16:47:00 - [238]
 

Edited by: woddel on 26/11/2008 16:47:38
<- hey, i got my head back... :) after like 4 month without... jupeee

woddel
Gallente
Canis Industries Ltd
Avaricious Cartel
Posted - 2008.12.06 23:41:00 - [239]
 

hello pilots

eve commander received another free tool open to everybody (including non-subscribers):

a routeplaner that calculates jump count and route from any start solar system to another. it allows selection for 'highsec only', 'lowsec only' or 'any sec'.

you can also add a number of pass through systems and the system will calculate the shortest possible route through all of them. if the start and destination system are the same, it will calculate the shortest possible 'circle route'. this is great for market delivery runs and stuff.

direct link: eve commander route calculator

enjoy... feedback welcome, as usual!

woddel

ZinderX500
Caldari
Very Predictable Feedback
Posted - 2008.12.07 02:05:00 - [240]
 

Nice job woddel ! SmileSmileSmile

It's great.


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