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woddel
Gallente
Canis Industries Ltd
Avaricious Cartel
Posted - 2008.04.09 07:15:00 - [121]
 

bump... :) for once.

Astorothe
Aperture Science Industries
Posted - 2008.04.09 07:58:00 - [122]
 

This tool is excellent - very polished and user friendly.

My only issue is that I run a pretty high resolution (1920x1200) and it's pretty small especially with the custom font.

Great work mate - keep it up. I'll be registering for the full version for sure.

woddel
Gallente
Canis Industries Ltd
Avaricious Cartel
Posted - 2008.05.06 10:30:00 - [123]
 

bump a month later... :) i had a very nice holiday, i can say too... :))

Siigari Kitawa
Gallente
Perditus Peregrinus
Posted - 2008.05.06 10:42:00 - [124]
 

After looking the thread over, I have to say I am extremely impressed with the work you've done woddel.

Is this character you're posting with an alt? Be honest. I've never seen somebody so young in EVE develop such an in-depth tool with so many "critical" features that an eve player would need.

Just want to ask.

Billy Merc
Viziam
Posted - 2008.05.06 10:47:00 - [125]
 

Edited by: Billy Merc on 06/05/2008 12:18:10
another CF dev....so i'm not the only one !!!! (jks)

looks pretty schmick bud


Angelo Dell'Agio
Posted - 2008.05.06 11:07:00 - [126]
 

Edited by: Angelo Dell''Agio on 06/05/2008 11:11:58
nm

Tiirae
The 5th Freedom
Wildly Inappropriate.
Posted - 2008.05.06 12:05:00 - [127]
 

1. Thanks for making a tool like this, I know how much work it is

2. All the discussion in here only serves to highlight what a cruddy job CCP has done of refining the API. When the API developer left we all feared it would just stagnate and there are now a ton of tools around that people won't use because they need the full API key

3. I haven't registered, not because I am paranoid but because I just can't be bothered with more eve-related software. I have enough things I use ever day already :)

4. Even making it into a desktop app or providing the code to install on a local server won't stop people being paranoid because it could always 'phone home' with sensitive data anyway.

Until CCP fixes the API system so that tools like this can be trusted, people with sensitive corporate & alliance info tied to their accounts just aren't allowed to have useful software. It's bad enough that CCP can't be bothered building this stuff into the client, even worse they can't even be bothered enabling generous people such as yourself to provide the funtionality for them.

5. Coldfusion & SQL server does not constitute a specialised environment. I have both installed on my desktop machine, as well as visual studio 2008, apache, php, ruby & rails, and a dozen other development tools. You should just release the code for peer review already and stop worrying about 'intellectual property'. The code isn't worth anything, your own hard work and willingness to host, manage, and support it is where the value lies. This is why open source works, you should give it a try.


Tatoed Goat
Gallente
AAA.FSI Holding
Posted - 2008.05.06 12:43:00 - [128]
 

Woddel, or whoever you are because obviously Woddel isn't your only character.

I thank you for this programme. I took a look at the site and I can honestly tell you I dislike it. I do not like you, Chribba or any other party other than my corp having my limited API info let alone give you my full API. I will not reveal my trade routes, my mining location, the amount of money, ships or faction/officer modules I have to you. I do not know you, I do not trust you and I don't trust Chribba for that matter either regardless of how much I respect him.

Now please give us more of the "Don't post here if you don't agree with me" nonsense to make yourself look credible.

No standalone client that doesn't communicate with you or any other server like EVEMon? No usage from me and however many hundred people you get or trick to use this program will be nothing in comparison to the amount of people actually playing so even 1% of the total player base means nothing so please stop posting with your own characters how good this actually is.

Will I believe that all the new characters who post in this thread aren't yours? You think about it, then think some more, then even more and when you've come to a conclusion restart the thinking.

To all the people providing their full API. CCP has warned you what that does and means. Beware!

woddel
Gallente
Canis Industries Ltd
Avaricious Cartel
Posted - 2008.05.06 13:27:00 - [129]
 

Edited by: woddel on 06/05/2008 13:43:17
Originally by: Siigari Kitawa
After looking the thread over, I have to say I am extremely impressed with the work you've done woddel.

Is this character you're posting with an alt? Be honest. I've never seen somebody so young in EVE develop such an in-depth tool with so many "critical" features that an eve player would need.

Just want to ask.


hello Siigari Kitawa

thanks for the praise... :)

this is my main character. my alt is 'woddel trader' which is use for the billing. i'm at 5.5 mil sp now and that is what you get with a four month old character... :) well, developing apps like this is how i make my living in the real world. it was not that much of a technical challenge. and the more i am playing by myself, the more features i write down on my task list for future development to suit my evergrowing desire for information and analysis... :)

cheerios, woddel

(edited for grammar)

woddel
Gallente
Canis Industries Ltd
Avaricious Cartel
Posted - 2008.05.06 13:31:00 - [130]
 

Originally by: Tiirae
1. Thanks for making a tool like this, I know how much work it is

2. All the discussion in here only serves to highlight what a cruddy job CCP has done of refining the API...
...



hello Tiirae

thanks for the post. well, i can only work with what's around. i am past the point trying to suit all overly cautious people around here (i'm deliberatly not saying the p-word). the api provides the info, i put an app around it. if people do not feel comfortable, there is nothing i can do about it... :)

ps: cool that you use coldfusion too. not so many people do...

cheerios, woddel

woddel
Gallente
Canis Industries Ltd
Avaricious Cartel
Posted - 2008.05.06 13:42:00 - [131]
 

Edited by: woddel on 06/05/2008 13:48:44
Originally by: Tatoed Goat
Woddel, or whoever you are because obviously Woddel isn't your only character.
...



hello Tatoed Goat

well, my chars are woddel (main), woddel trader and nueffel (scouting alt)... there are close to 500 users using eve commander by now and most of them go past the trial period ( a number i am very content with and i no, i am NOT on a quest to have ALL users use eve commander). so it can't be all bad and mean and evil... :) see the two previous posts about my standing to this topic. i ask of no-one to agree or trust me. i know this is not possible. but the equation is very easy: if you do not, just stay away from eve commander. you can't always have the bread AND the dime (rough translation of a german saying). as written on a few previous posts a few pages up, eve commander has been explicitly developed as a web application (coldfusion and sql: this is what i CAN do). it can't be 'transformed' into a desktop standalone app (C+ or VB: something i can NOT program). i can only achieve results according to my programming skills. and also, i would not WANT to have a desktop app, as then i need to install something more on my computer and i could quite possibly NOT use it at work (or at school/uni for all scholars out there). check post #112 for more on this.

and yes, all i do all day is generate alts, post in this forum and delete them again. creative, but really silly thought. i guess most posters will be 'older' than the time i have been in eve anyways. kills that argument. but it does not matter anyway, as i assume you don't believe a word i say anyway. and yes, i am not your grand father. :) lighten up! it's a bright and sunny day out there.

cheerios, woddel

Virtuozzo
The Collective
Against ALL Authorities
Posted - 2008.05.06 14:42:00 - [132]
 

When does the corporate version come out (install on own server version I mean)?

woddel
Gallente
Canis Industries Ltd
Avaricious Cartel
Posted - 2008.05.06 15:17:00 - [133]
 

Originally by: Virtuozzo
When does the corporate version come out (install on own server version I mean)?



hello Virtuozzo

i just came back from a much much needed vacation. i will start the corporate version when there are serious letters of intent or orders. also, with the 'earlybirds', i could discuss specific feature requests to incorperate. if you are interested, please contact me ingame or by email (see hp for address).

cheerios, woddel

woddel
Gallente
Canis Industries Ltd
Avaricious Cartel
Posted - 2008.05.08 08:15:00 - [134]
 

hello all

i have just massively lowered prices for eve commander due to a quickly growing subscription base and for easier handling: subscription periods have been extended from 1 month to 3 months for the same price, effectively reducing prices to 1/3 of the old ones. all current subscribers to the full edition of eve commander received a two month extension of their last account expiration date as a bonus.

this reduction should make the full edition of eve commander even more attractive to current 'limited edition' users and reduces the amount of payment transactions necessary for the full users. this is my way to thanks to all of you for the growing success of this project.

cheerios, woddel

Drizit
Amarr
Posted - 2008.05.08 10:21:00 - [135]
 

as a stand-alone application, this would be excellent. Add in the functionality of Evemon and you'd have an application that Evemon should be.

As a web page: NO
This format means that anyone like yourself with any authority to administer the web page has access to all the information about my character. An excellent tool for you to decide who to wardec next or giving you the advantage if you and I are in the same system in lowsec one day. Sit in station, look up character info and see if they can be ganked easily before going out hunting.

Ikki Phoenix
Gallente
United Imperial Fleet
Posted - 2008.05.08 19:13:00 - [136]
 

Edited by: Ikki Phoenix on 08/05/2008 19:12:57
Woddel
Your partner program is not working.
Look at http://www.eve-commander.com/partnerprogram.cfm



woddel
Gallente
Canis Industries Ltd
Avaricious Cartel
Posted - 2008.05.08 20:31:00 - [137]
 

Originally by: Ikki Phoenix
Edited by: Ikki Phoenix on 08/05/2008 19:12:57
Woddel
Your partner program is not working.
Look at http://www.eve-commander.com/partnerprogram.cfm



hello ikki.

thanks for the notice. it's been fixed.

cheerios, woddel

Arkham Lerouge
Osiris Entreprises
Posted - 2008.05.16 07:43:00 - [138]
 

Woddel,

could you please tell me who is "WoDeZ II" ? Is that one of your alts? Just asking, because i saw strange things happen since I registered and started using EVE-commander, and even more strange things just after I stopped using it...

If I were paranoid, I'd say that you've been using an alt to trade the best trade items I was trading with my alt (Gimme ZeCash), who was using Eve-Commander. Since i started using EC, I saw some strange competition on those particular items, with a 0.01 undercut each time a bit after i stopped playing for the day (no undercutting while i was playing, and only this 0.01 undercutting, no other competition from other traders).

Then, scared, I stopped using EC and changed my API key. The very same day, I saw this "WoDeZ II" selling to my buy orders a bunch of those items i was trading (I never had anybody sell so many items in one go, and how strange, only those items i had this 0.01 undercutting).

Now... it could just be some paranoia, and it could just be some random trader, playing the same items as I was (strange though, my NAV is around 35m, and i'm only trading low cost items, so I guess i'm not in competition with the big guys), and then getting fed up of my undercutting, just stopped trading those, and sold the items he had (for close to no profit i'd say, if you take the fees/taxes into accoun).

However, I thought I'd just warn the guys, and sorry if this isn't you.

woddel
Gallente
Canis Industries Ltd
Avaricious Cartel
Posted - 2008.05.16 08:05:00 - [139]
 

Originally by: Arkham Lerouge
Woddel,

could you please tell me who is "WoDeZ II" ? Is that one of your alts? Just asking, because i saw strange things happen since I registered and started using EVE-commander, and even more strange things just after I stopped using it..



hello Arkham Lerouge

i can assure you that 'wodez ii' is none of my alts (or affiliated with me or my corp in any way) and your data is absolutely NOT used by me (see privacy statement). my alts are listed a bit further up this thread (woddel trader and nueffel) and my main trading grounds are oursualert, synchelle, orvolle and jita (i have no idea where yours are, but i tell you mine). i also only trade tech2 stuff worth at least 100'000 isk a piece. and i never do this 0.01 stuff undercutting. i think it's silly and i do like 10 isk 'jumps' at least. if not 100 or more.

i assume this must be a coincidence of some sort. i have no interest at all to undermine my creditability. if i would use my customer's data, i would loose face very quickly and the whole project would die in a week (i guess). nothing i would want to happen. please check the next post (i came in here for to write) for more about this.

cheerios, woddel.

woddel
Gallente
Canis Industries Ltd
Avaricious Cartel
Posted - 2008.05.16 08:11:00 - [140]
 

hello all

ikki phoenix let me write an article about eve commander in his second issue of evemag. a great project and i hope lot's of pilots will read his publication!

for the sake of having the article in here too, it is also available as a pdf from my server (in a slightly better readable form / layouting):

http://www.eve-commander.com/files/EveCommander_EveMag02.pdf

cheerios, woddel

Arkham Lerouge
Osiris Entreprises
Posted - 2008.05.16 08:34:00 - [141]
 

Gimme ZeCash trades in Rens, as I said, on cheap non techII items (getting my hands at margin trading, on a small scale ;)

Sorry if it wasn't you, it just was too many coincidences for me, and the name was close enough to yours (Wodez / Woddel) to set up an alarm.

Anyway, very nice piece of software I must say, very sexy, and the hot/cold feature for the market orders is brilliant and very helpful.

Good luck with it anyway

woddel
Gallente
Canis Industries Ltd
Avaricious Cartel
Posted - 2008.06.06 10:09:00 - [142]
 

hello everybody!

a new feature is very close to be finished on eve commander: due to many requests by the user base, i have put up basic corporate information pages. these include transactions, wallets, assets and market orders. they do not include stuff like POS data etc. this sensible data is still not being pulled by my apps.

corp information must be activated for each corp by the CEO and him only. he also decides which users within eve commander (and his corp, of course) get to see that information (i assume the same guys who have respective access to that data ingame too). for the moment, there is only global access: it can't be broken down to like specific wallet accounts and stuff. requests for access are to be directed to me by email. there is a one time setup fee of 10 million isk.

i want to specify that this service is mainly directed to smaller and personal corporations and also that all your data is still and always secure with me.

have a great weekend in space!

woddel

woddel
Gallente
Canis Industries Ltd
Avaricious Cartel
Posted - 2008.06.08 17:50:00 - [143]
 

hello all

the new corporate features as described below are fully ready for deployment. ceo's can email me for activation. see above for more information.

Dmian
Gallente
Gallenterrorisme
Posted - 2008.06.08 21:26:00 - [144]
 

Edited by: Dmian on 08/06/2008 21:28:03
Sorry, just a little dumb question to several people that talked about a standalone app: What makes you think that a standalone app is more secure than a server app?

So far as I know, a standalone app could send your happy full API key to an undisclosed server database, where a server app could then gather ALL you information. If a standalone app is capable of connecting to the internet, then it's capable of sending whatever data it handles to a web server... (look how viruses send data without people even knowing.)

If you really want to know if an application that uses the internet is secure, then you need to sniff all the outgoing packets while the app is running and then with another tool figure out if the app is sending data to a server it shouldn't be contacting.

Have any of you performed that type of auditing on the standalone apps you use to see if they are really secure?

The other way would be to audit the source code and then build the binary from source code, to be sure that what you saw is exactly what you are using.

Don't fool yourself by thinking that because the application is running on your machine is more secure than an application on a server. As long as you have the 80 port open to an application (and you'll need that at least to recover your information from the EVE DB) you have an open channel for it to send ANY information you have put inside that application.

The only way to be sure about an application is a) to make it yourself or b) to audit its sourcecode and build from it.
Any other scenario is potentially unsafe and the only guarantee you have is the trust (or lack of) in the maker.

So, for me, eve-commander is as safe as Evemon if I provide the limited API key for both.

Bel Amar
Amarr
Sudden Buggery
Situation: Normal
Posted - 2008.06.08 22:16:00 - [145]
 

Originally by: Dmian
So far as I know, a standalone app could send your happy full API key to an undisclosed server database, where a server app could then gather ALL you information.


That stuff is easy to sniff and/or block at the firewall.

Simply make sure the app can only talk with the eve api server itself and nothing else, and you can fairly much guarantee your data is only kept locally

Dmian
Gallente
Gallenterrorisme
Posted - 2008.06.08 23:11:00 - [146]
 

Originally by: Bel Amar
That stuff is easy to sniff and/or block at the firewall.

Simply make sure the app can only talk with the eve api server itself and nothing else, and you can fairly much guarantee your data is only kept locally


Correct. That's if your firewall can block on a per-domain level. Most of the ones I've tried block on a port level (for example, the Windows firewall.)
And even if you can restrict the domains to which the app can connect, is very simple to convince a user to allow communication with his/her domain by simply adding an auto-upgrade function.
So what I mean is, if you want to be "safe", enforce a paranoid policy about what you download from the net and use on your computer as well as which sites you provide with sensible data... or put in EVE terms: trust nobody.

woddel
Gallente
Canis Industries Ltd
Avaricious Cartel
Posted - 2008.06.09 05:44:00 - [147]
 

Edited by: woddel on 09/06/2008 05:45:47
hia dmian and bel amar

well, there is an easy way for you to check who is accessing your data on the ccp api server:
http://myeve.eve-online.com/api/log.asp

any connection from eve commander, evemon or any other application is logged there. the ip address of eve commander is 213.189.148.219. so, there is no way i could hide 'secret' data collection connects.

and yes: there is never ever real security in anything. not even life... :)

cheerios, woddel

Mercurus
Canis Industries Ltd
Avaricious Cartel
Posted - 2008.06.09 13:00:00 - [148]
 

Hi woddel

Thanks for the extremly nice and helpfull application and congratulation, a great job for only playing the game for that short amount of time. Very Happy

Mercurus

Archon T'orn
Posted - 2008.06.09 18:34:00 - [149]
 

Edited by: Archon T''orn on 09/06/2008 18:36:10
Originally by: woddel
hia absolutor. thanks... :)

and yes. finally: i got my forum pic. so the ones that mistrusted me because i did not have one can now be happy... :)


Apparently you misunderstand the reason behind the 'exclamation point of doomsauce' flame...

It shows up on new characters for the first 4-6 weeks, meaning you're either an alt (highly plausible) or a brand new toon that has a full and complete understanding of Eve and its functions and goals for players (highly unlikely).

I personally think that while you application may be first rate, the fact that a new guy with only a few months experience knows:

1. in its entirety how the API system works and relates to other aspects

2. cannot understand how data mining can be profitable or why the prospect would scare off most people (though knows the asset/market info enough to include cool features)

3. acts like a newb in regards to security, player lore, et al... but, as stated, knows what we need/want

gives me adequate pause. There's more that prevents me from jumping on the bandwagon, but those three are the biggest points I see people hinting at.

Edit: This toon's an alt. He's been around longer than some players... would that raise your confidence if the roles were reversed?

woddel
Gallente
Canis Industries Ltd
Avaricious Cartel
Posted - 2008.06.09 18:51:00 - [150]
 

hello Archon T'orn

:) alright, to your points:

1: well, this is not that hard to understand, the api-thing: i am a software engineer and with 35 years of age and 12 years of experience in html, javascript, database design, application development and xml file structures, maybe a bit faster in understanding complex matters than others.

2: i understand perfectly well how it could be used to my own advantage. but this does not mean in any way that i need or want to do it. eve is large, complex and interesting enough that there is no reason for cheating to take some shortcut. i still firmly believe (as a now 5 month old eve player) that trade routes that are 15 jumps away from my homebase are of no interest to me.

3. well, i am a 5 month old char. now. when i started eve commander, i was at two month. so, yes: i was a noob and maybe a bit blue eyed. but we swiss people tend to be more trusting and less on the paranoid side. so that was a handicap for me. i learned that the hard way in these pages of discussion... :) and most features have been designed as i played along and discovered my own needs. and some features have been suggested to me by the user base.

at the end, i can only state (once again) that more than 500 players chose to trust me and subscribed. they can't all be wrong and there has been no complaining so far (except that little story a bit up which was resolved as pure coincidence).

cheerios, woddel


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