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woddel
Gallente
Canis Industries Ltd
Avaricious Cartel
Posted - 2008.02.15 19:23:00 - [61]
 

Edited by: woddel on 15/02/2008 19:42:19
Edited by: woddel on 15/02/2008 19:23:27
Originally by: Poreuomai

I'm simply giving you feedback, explaining why I won't register.



well, i don't really care why you don't want to register (or even if at all), because i already know: it's been discussed enough upthread... there is no need to mess this thread up any further with such posts... :) i hope that also counts for future posts of the same nature. some of you are so paranoic conspiratists, i almost feel sorry for you... :)

Poreuomai
Minmatar
Mirkur Draug'Tyr
Ushra'Khan
Posted - 2008.02.15 19:36:00 - [62]
 

I raised one possible issue which had not been mentioned so far.

If you are not interested in feedback and would rather just resort to insults when challenged, well that does not increase my confidence.
Neutral

I will leave it at that.

Saint Lazarus
Pwn 'N Play
Chaos Theory Alliance
Posted - 2008.02.15 21:45:00 - [63]
 

Love they layout and design, really really nice.

And seeing as in college EvE offical site is blocked very useful for me too, even the limited edition :D


But like others im hesitant to give out full API, but when a more secure way of doing it comes out I wont hesitant. Nothing personal, think you did a great job creating a very nice tool for the community.........but we pod pilots are a paranoid bunch :P (but justifiably so in my opinon).



An Offline app would defy the point of it so I'd prefer a solution like Chribba hosting it and being the only person with full access to account info, I dont know if its possible do that while still letting you work on updates and having access to the parts of the site you need to work on.


I dont know enough about the mechanics of it to come up with a viable solution Embarassed all I know is me and many others who WANT to use your service wont till tis more secure

Angel DeMorphis
Gallente
Posted - 2008.02.15 21:53:00 - [64]
 

There's a way, woddel, to fix a lot of what people have a problem with here. Is it possible to make an application with less features that only requires the Limited API? Many don't have a problem using the Limited API Key.

woddel
Gallente
Canis Industries Ltd
Avaricious Cartel
Posted - 2008.02.15 22:22:00 - [65]
 

Originally by: Angel DeMorphis
There's a way, woddel, to fix a lot of what people have a problem with here. Is it possible to make an application with less features that only requires the Limited API? Many don't have a problem using the Limited API Key.


hello angel

well, you CAN use the limited key. but then you will only be able to look at your skillplanning. other infos like your assets, transactions and market orders are not visible because the application can not retrieve them. i don't use the full api key for the fun of it, but because it is necessary to retrieve the information that can be displayed in the app. this is 100% the way the api works and has been designed by ccp - i only use what's available. check out this page about this:
http://myeve.eve-online.com/api/

cheerios, woddel

Zigg Omelo
NorCorp Enterprise
Norcorp
Posted - 2008.02.15 23:00:00 - [66]
 

Originally by: jam6549
rule numero uno of EVE Online: trust no one but yourself


rule numero dos of Eve Online: dont even trust yourself when drunk and online.

Billy Sastard
Amarr
Life. Universe. Everything.
Posted - 2008.02.15 23:23:00 - [67]
 

Re-write this thing as an application that we can download (with source code) and you will get a much warmer reception.

EVE is not like other games, information that is provided with the full API key can most definitely be used against you. Even if you personally are not after this information, there are people out there who would have no qualms about hacking into your site and grabbing all the info they can.

woddel
Gallente
Canis Industries Ltd
Avaricious Cartel
Posted - 2008.02.16 14:56:00 - [68]
 

Hello all

Tiny feature update: New Page with basic character information including the attributes for learning with minimum and maximum skill points per hour and a listing of what level skills you have and the overall average skill level.

cheerios, woddel

Taua Roqa
Minmatar
Sebiestor Tribe
Posted - 2008.02.16 15:39:00 - [69]
 

alarm bells, ugh :(


you are a month old character and are asking an entire community to enter deeply personal data into a web based thing that is hosted from your very own home, which could possibly be datamined for all sorts of infomation, that's not hard to quite understand precisley how would be monetised. And i've never seen you online and your only post on our forums is about this application and well...I don't mean to judge you by my own stupidity but when i was one month old I was floating about shooting things getting some isk.

I have to err on the side of caution here, sorry.

that said ccp should buy this code tbh, it beats what their programmers do.

woddel
Gallente
Canis Industries Ltd
Avaricious Cartel
Posted - 2008.02.16 22:49:00 - [70]
 

Edited by: woddel on 20/02/2008 12:59:34
Edited by: woddel on 17/02/2008 00:05:23
:) i know it's getting a long thread and people don't read it anymore. it's all been said before. nothing new here. nobody is 'required' to do anything...

i guess i am not the shooting type then.

and i read somewhere that the universe is like 5xxx starsystems large and there are some 300'000 players. i haven't seen you yet either. and that will count for some other 295'000 players too... :)

about the server: it's on my intranet server because it is in beta and therefore under heavy development. the final location has not been determined yet once it goes live (either on one of my company's servers or something teamed up with chribba - we are still looking for possible scenarios and solutions there).

cheerios, woddel
ps: i will be in the game in a few minutes. oursualert system.

Zothike
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Posted - 2008.02.21 10:26:00 - [71]
 

Hello again

I think you should make in your site a newsletter to keep ppl informed about the developpement of your tool which is (potentially) awesome.
For now ppl are too scared (with reason) to register on it (same for me), but i'm sure when u will have a partnership with a trusted Community member (Chribba or any other) i'm sure your tool will be a big success.



Neena Ailichi
Posted - 2008.02.21 10:49:00 - [72]
 

Everyone seems to trust Chribba but as far as you know he's the guy behind it all, selling information to highest bidder, pulling the strings behind major alliances ;)

woddel
Gallente
Canis Industries Ltd
Avaricious Cartel
Posted - 2008.02.21 14:31:00 - [73]
 

hello zothike and neena ailichi

i perfectly understand the concerns, while i can do nothing about them at the moment... Sad i had some contact with chribba, but so far we have not come up with a solution. at least not since i heard last from him. maybe you (chribba) can elaborate a bit on this, in case you still read this thread - user's interest clearly seems to be there and of course i would feel rewarded even more (i'm quite content with the development of the userbase so far) when even more players would feel safe enough to subsribe to my service. i don't know what possibilities of auditing can be implemented to raise my level of trustworthiness within the community - most technical solutions will nor really solve the problem, as i (being the developer), still would need to have access to the apps and databases to be able to fix and add new features. ideas for that are plenty...

cheerios, woddel

woddel
Gallente
Canis Industries Ltd
Avaricious Cartel
Posted - 2008.02.21 14:37:00 - [74]
 

Originally by: Zothike

I think you should make in your site a newsletter to keep ppl informed about the developpement of your tool which is (potentially) awesome.



yeah, that will come up in time. it's on my list (like many other things). meanwhile, feature changes are noted on the history page and i will also post major new features in here.

Mikal Drey
Atlas Alliance
Posted - 2008.02.21 15:47:00 - [75]
 

hey hey

I took a gander at the page and i was very impressed.

Its a shame that the API has such a potential for greatness as well as potential for other uses :/

Its well worth noting that the API was created to allow access to this data without a compromise to your actual acount security. I would freely give a full api key to my corp if they had a website that utilised this data. but then again . . . i have nothing to hide :)

to the OP, can you extract character combat log (KM) information as well ?

nice web site Good luck with it
Mikal Drey

Mikal Drey
Atlas Alliance
Posted - 2008.02.21 15:49:00 - [76]
 

Quick note to the DEVS. Could the API data be restricted by the player ?

Have a selectable check box for each data type that gets included into the API key

@OP can you do this as well ?

Kolloth
Merch Industrial
SOLODRAKBANSOLODRAKBANSO
Posted - 2008.02.21 16:09:00 - [77]
 

Edited by: Kolloth on 21/02/2008 16:16:50
welp. I decided to write a little API tool as as part of my ongoing campaign to learn c#.
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As with the OP it's still beta and it needs the full API key so if you don't trust random strangers on the internet....

DOWNLOAD

edit: i'd also like to suggest to the devs that they move the character wallet/industry/assets/market stuff to the limited key but leave the corp stuff on full.

Carniflex
StarHunt
Fallout Project
Posted - 2008.02.21 16:15:00 - [78]
 

Originally by: Ethen Bejorn
If you play Eve you should figure that one of your most trusted members, probably a Director in your corp is also a spy or alt of some corp/alliance hostile to you. No one can do anything to your account nor your assets with your API key. All they will have is information which is easily obtainable by joining your corp/alliance with an alt and reading your forums or talking to your members. Seriously, there is being safe and then there is paranoia. You just have to be better and smarter than the spies and thieves and always assume they know everything you do not want them to know either way.


In real corps one does not make into that position by just joining up and reading the corp forums. In the game as old as EVE established corps do not even consider pilot for director position before hes been with them year or two. Yeah it is possible to get some information that way, but not all the POS locations, types and fuel levels or full overvirew of corp isk flow, what is sold or bought where, in what ship and where did the pilots of that corp logged off or on last time and so on.

Still nice app tho.

As far as selling the source code, prolly bil or two (with some time of free version updates throwed or smaller amount of isk for each version update) should be fair compensation for the time spent working on the project (on assumption that more than one entity will buy it). That would be within reach of said established corps who are oh so worried about their sensitive information (smaller entities usually do not have that kind of infrastructure in scale that would make them worried). Putting it at say 5 bil would make it viable investment option for corps of few hundred members or smaller alliances and so on. Big alliances have prolly something similar (perhaps with not as nice layout) already in use internally.

woddel
Gallente
Canis Industries Ltd
Avaricious Cartel
Posted - 2008.02.21 17:55:00 - [79]
 

carniflex: you are right. i guess that is a valable option. i would say that once the system goes into release 1.0, i could make a sale option for corporations so they can use it on their own servers for their pilots. i also believe that a price like 2 bil would be fair. looking at isk-prices on these *** isk-sellers as a reference, this amounts to about $150. after all, i would additionally need to create some basic kind of installer and some sort of updater. minor releases would be free. i don't intend to make this a too complex thing (pricing, update prices, etc).

i would be very interested in feedback from potential customers about this (general interest, pricing, customization etc). either in here or at my email -> woddel@eve-commander.com. if there is some real interest, i will work out an offical offer.

but beware: tech-requirements are not nothing: coldfusion 8 and ms sql server on windows. db ist like 350 megs and the app with images like 75 megs. there is NO php/mysql-version.

cheerios, woddel

Demoneque Intentions
eXceed Inc.
Triumvirate.
Posted - 2008.02.22 02:03:00 - [80]
 

I very much like your idea Woddel and will be trying it shortly with an alt character to test it out. Any tool that helps me keep track of trades (especially while at work and the only internet connection I have is via iPhone) is good in my book. Honestly, I'm not concerned about the minor amount of info one could gain by looking at the random stuff I trade.



PS - I barely know who Chibra is, honestly. I've been around for years and only occasionally visit the forums. Your relation or lack thereof to him is of no concern to most reasonable people, I'd imagine.

woddel
Gallente
Canis Industries Ltd
Avaricious Cartel
Posted - 2008.02.24 11:29:00 - [81]
 

hello all

NEW FEATURE 'SHIPS' ADDED: Shows the setup and location of all your ships. Very neat to get a quick overview of the different setups, something you can not do from within EVE without activating the respective vessels.

This module is still in development and will undergo quite some more changes to provide more detail and readability.

screenshot

cheerios, woddel

Worfs Girl
Posted - 2008.02.24 12:12:00 - [82]
 

Originally by: woddel
hello all

NEW FEATURE 'SHIPS' ADDED: Shows the setup and location of all your ships. Very neat to get a quick overview of the different setups, something you can not do from within EVE without activating the respective vessels.

This module is still in development and will undergo quite some more changes to provide more detail and readability.

screenshot

cheerios, woddel


hi, can you add the fitting mod that is found on the common killboards and apply that to the thing as an optional view

woddel
Gallente
Canis Industries Ltd
Avaricious Cartel
Posted - 2008.02.24 12:18:00 - [83]
 

Edited by: woddel on 24/02/2008 17:57:31
Originally by: Worfs Girl

hi, can you add the fitting mod that is found on the common killboards and apply that to the thing as an optional view


thanks for the idea! yeah, that would be nice. as said, the page is very very much beta at the moment.

allthough in the api export, there is no information about which item is in which slot. so, i can only sort by high,med,low and rigs and just fill up alphabetically. i will try to do something like that. one problem i also might run into: i am not sure if i can discern objects which are actually fitted or only in the cargo hold. i have to try this out with my own ships to see what difference it makes (if there is one visible).

update: well, there is really NO way to differentiate items fitted or in cargo hold... :( so, if you carry a medium shield extender in your cargo, the app would put it in a medium slot... this is no real way to go, as the visualization would me more often wrong than correct... :(

Laechyd Eldgorn
Caldari
draketrain
Posted - 2008.02.24 12:31:00 - [84]
 

Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker

I have to agree...

OP: Im sorry. Maybe your site is fine and all, but honestly..

1. Someone without character picture
2. Someone who dont know Chribba.
3. Someone who requires your full API code..

I am deeply sorry, but I think I will steer away from this for now..




This. Full API code gives out too much unrelated information. Also cannot trust the OP to keep even related information safe, because he lacks reputation. Not to mention switzerland is mentioned at eve commander front page.



woddel
Gallente
Canis Industries Ltd
Avaricious Cartel
Posted - 2008.02.24 12:42:00 - [85]
 

Originally by: Laechyd Eldgorn

This. Full API code gives out too much unrelated information. Also cannot trust the OP to keep even related information safe, because he lacks reputation. Not to mention switzerland is mentioned at eve commander front page.



ollas. please read through the thread about the discussion of security and trust. but my main question, out of curiosity, is the following: what is wrong with switzerland?

cheerios, woddel

Turzyx
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
Posted - 2008.02.24 13:16:00 - [86]
 

Wow, what a huge amount of negative replies.

If you want to be able to access your market data, then you have to provide your full API key. This goes for any program/website.

If you aren't confident about giving your key out, don't, it's as simple as that. There is no need to bash the guy because you --->THINK<--- he is some sort of scammer, and there is no need to post in the thread saying "I will not use it". It's pretty obvious that most people aren't happy giving out their API keys, but it cannot be done any other way, so it's the same for every other program.

In regard to the OPs credibility, are you aware of how most of these sorts of projects get started? Exactly the same way. Half the reason why tools like this don't exist is because of the mass paranoia and hysteria that is generated when someone creates one. It's frankly a shame that people are shunning such creativity, based on his own generosity.

The full API key risks apply to ANY similar website or program, EVEN THE ONES CREATED BY CHRIBBA. I mean how do you know that if you give your API key to him he won't abuse it also? How do you know people haven't done this in the past, and promptly been subjected to a unknown 'security leak'?

Woddel the tool you have created looks extremely well put together, and very useful for those heavily involved in the market and industry, ignore the unconstructive replies, but I would suggest that you put a disclamer/notice on the main page stating that giving your website the Limited or Full API keys gives you access to SEE their imformation (noting what types and content etc), so people know you are not trying to decieve, or 'trick' them.




Immaterial
Posted - 2008.02.24 13:42:00 - [87]
 

I can't believe how hostile you guys are being, its not like this is the first web based app that needs your full api key to work, theres loads of them listed in the market discussions forum, all of which use your full key, yes its a bit of a seccurity risk, but it states that very clearly ont he eve api page, and has one simple solution if you don't like it...

don't use it....

Now give this guy a break and STFU

Petsey Petrilinquo
Caldari
The Brethren Court
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
Posted - 2008.02.24 14:48:00 - [88]
 

Ty so much m8. This tool is the best i have ever seen or tryed, it even show secure can's and ships in space.
Stuff that i forgot about. :D

DeTox MinRohim
Madhatters Inc.
The Initiative.
Posted - 2008.02.24 15:46:00 - [89]
 

Originally by: Immaterial
I can't believe how hostile you guys are being, its not like this is the first web based app that needs your full api key to work, theres loads of them listed in the market discussions forum, all of which use your full key, yes its a bit of a seccurity risk, but it states that very clearly ont he eve api page, and has one simple solution if you don't like it...

don't use it....

Now give this guy a break and STFU


/signed...

FFS people... It's a pain in the ass for all the other places you gave your key but you also should know that YOU CAN RESET YOUR KEY. So give it a shot if you are so "WOW IT LOOKS COOL". If you don't like it or if you're too scared, reset your key and his proggy won't work the next time he tries to pull your info.

Woddel... tell your beta-users to post here or show the list of them. So far, only a very few posted so scared people around can't be baited with so few feedbacks. If I could see more of them and talk to them, that would help a bit on the trust thing.

Also, about the "not gonna happen" on the package thing that you need a specialised environment. You're assuming that there is no professional hosters around here. Wink I can tell you that I can easily recreate it to make your thing work on my servers like Chribba said for himself.

Anyway, although I don't plan to use it myself, if it's not a scam - Wishing you all the luck, screenies are really cool. Wink

woddel
Gallente
Canis Industries Ltd
Avaricious Cartel
Posted - 2008.02.24 17:50:00 - [90]
 

first i want to thank everybody in the last few posts. thanks for the support! so far, i got about 150 users that signed up. just to put that number in here for once. i'm fairly content with that amount of people for the time being... :)

DeTox MinRohim: about a packaged version: see post #78/79 further up. there seems to be some 'market' for the project on external servers. i am thinking about a sellable package for corporations so they can use it on their own servers. but i don't think it's a thing for single users with their own infrastructure. setup is some work and updates a whole other thing. i rather keep the count of remote installations low until demand is so high that it's worth writing installers and update routines. keep me posted when you are interested!

cheerios, woddel


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