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Isolde Jakiri
Caldari
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2008.01.31 06:55:00 - [61]
 

Originally by: Andre Ricard

They convinced about a dozen alliances of varying sizes and levels of competency to rent space from them in front of Delve. When these places were attacked however, BoB would do little, if anything, to actually assist their 'renters'. Whether this was from overextension due to the Catch Campaign or due to apathy will probably never be completely clear, but the point is still obvious: BoB bilked billions of ISK out of these groups every month, and in return those groups got nothing.



I hate BoB because they griefed RISE and CORM more than I ever could.

TWD
Minmatar
Evolution
KenZoku
Posted - 2008.01.31 07:11:00 - [62]
 

Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk

However I can give you a lot of reasons most people don't like them;

(dislike is a much better word than hate in 99% of cases)

forum arrogance


Guilty!
Quote:

exploiting (in a very inclusive sense of the word)


If someone exploited after something was declared an exploit he would be banned right? I don't know of a person in BoB who has been banned for this reason.
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cheating (literally)


1 person cheated, t20. I know that I disliked that just as much as everyone else.
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metagaming


*shrug* is that really a concern nowadays and its not exactly exclusive to BoB.
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been defeated/slandered by them in the past


I guess that goes for alot of alliances in the coalition.
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used by them


I assume this is referring to renter alliances? If an alliance wants to be in non-NPC 0.0 but don't have the military strength or the allies to hold it, renting space might be an option for them. We could provide this option and guarantee safety at one point in time to those alliances. Several months after the fight against the coalition (omg the alliances which we ****ed off in the last years finally got their **** together and put aside their differences!) kicked off, we could no longer guarantee that and dropped the rent for those alliances. I remember that during the Catch campaign with MC we went down to support the renters jeopardizing the campaign there (and also ****ing off MC). Molle and other people spent alot of time evacuating their assets from Feythabolis, why would we do that if we were using them?

Actually nvm, we have a reputation to keep on the forum of being arrogant and evil Wink

Pastora
Amarr
Russian SOBR
SOLAR FLEET
Posted - 2008.01.31 07:18:00 - [63]
 

Not constructive - Navigator

Misfitsa
Gallente
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2008.01.31 07:20:00 - [64]
 

i hate them because they all look hideous
im superficial like that

Tiberius Caesar
Caldari
Sothebys
Posted - 2008.01.31 07:21:00 - [65]
 

cheating?

IS there anyone more guilty than RA/AAA?

8/10 complex anyone?

Dionisius
Gallente
the muppets
RED.OverLord
Posted - 2008.01.31 07:30:00 - [66]
 

Edited by: Dionisius on 31/01/2008 07:33:27
Originally by: Tiberius Caesar
cheating?

IS there anyone more guilty than RA/AAA?

8/10 complex anyone?


Then in that case throw in D2 and the agent exploit and also the famous T20 then you have 3 distinct entities doing the exact same thing on diferent levels.

One might ask, bloody hell! How can anything be compared to T20!? He was an employee from CCP!, and the answer is obvious, he is as human as the rest and will take all the advantages he can ( proved by the deed ) to aid his alliance mates.

So no innocent partys here as they all tried to conceal their rotten apples, only different thing is BoB was viewed as unbeatable at the time and very much hated despite their victorys so no surprises there.


Disclaimer: blablablah i speak for myself and not my alliance or corp etc etc and so forth.

Roupeh Natanoj
Gallente
Aliastra
Posted - 2008.01.31 07:36:00 - [67]
 

Originally by: Zorland
I see why Goonswarm hates BOB, and I'm sure everyone else was avare that BOB griefed you in this game time and time again. But, you are not the only alliance in game that is currently against BOB. There are others that I'm sure everyone would like to hear what they think. There is no need to spam the thread again and again with the same stuff. Lets here what others have to say.


its going 40 v 40 against bob and being lagged out and all dying while bob fly away without a lost ship. there cheaters and as it always says cheaters never prosper, they cheated now there getting there dues. i started with my best mate in aridia we put up with there arigance there enough to make us join a corp that was anti-bob. bob has never been blue to us nor will any corp/allaince they re make go blue... ur proplem us everyone has the same stories to tell so ya gonna come across the same feelings over and over again.

bye bye bob.

Pastora
Amarr
Russian SOBR
SOLAR FLEET
Posted - 2008.01.31 07:39:00 - [68]
 

Originally by: Tiberius Caesar
8/10 complex anyone?


*cough* 10/10 complexes in Delve, Querious... *cough*

Gumpy Nighthawk
Amarr
Roving Guns Inc.
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2008.01.31 07:43:00 - [69]
 

I don't hate bob, the alliance i'm in just set the goal to remove bob from delve and every other region in eve and i just do what i'm asked and thats to remove bob.

No hate here, but i do enjoy them logging into our bubbles, too bad some of them self destruct.

Taliac
Caldari
Cogito Facio Fio
Wildly Inappropriate.
Posted - 2008.01.31 07:44:00 - [70]
 

You can't kill bob goons they will just come back :P

128th ABC123
Caldari
Lucky Clover Investments
Posted - 2008.01.31 07:49:00 - [71]
 

Edited by: 128th ABC123 on 31/01/2008 07:51:52
Edited by: 128th ABC123 on 31/01/2008 07:50:07
Edited by: 128th ABC123 on 31/01/2008 07:49:01
/emote puts on flame-proof suit...

Hmm,i wasnt in Eve yet when the whole Bob-Goon incident started and ive never been involved in the great war except for 1 fight against BOB in FSW with Paxton, but it seems to me that some of the Bob members did have a point regarding dishonoring of RL deaths of people... But hey thats just me...

Whether to keep using it as a reason to wage war in a video game I don't know, but if GS leadership doesnt(didn't) publicly apologize for actions like that (and take action towards the offending members..) I wouldn't want to associate with them...

So far (honestly) and thats for somebody in the game for approx. 1 year, Goonswarm has given me more reason to hate them then Bob and even then "hate" is a strong word.

As spamming the forums etc, doesn't instill real hate in me, at most it would annoy me.

So far I'm enjoying Eve and emotions like "hate" only rarely surfuced (well when my first cormorant got popped by a canbaiter outside Kisogo newbie spawning pool a year ago did nearly set me off in a fit of rage upon which I nearly snapped my keyboard in half... welcome to Eve... Very Happy)

WowZilla
Minmatar
The Leeroy Jenkins Project
Posted - 2008.01.31 07:56:00 - [72]
 

Quote:

exploiting (in a very inclusive sense of the word)


Quote:
If someone exploited after something was declared an exploit he would be banned right? I don't know of a person in BoB who has been banned for this reason.


He means the lose lipped devs in you alliance spilling the means on unknown and unconfirmed exploits and future planned game changes to give you an advantage. To you guys it probably never felt like cheating because, well, its what you'd always done and is one of the reasons for your success.

Zorland
Minmatar
Detinus Republic
Posted - 2008.01.31 08:03:00 - [73]
 

Originally by: Roupeh Natanoj
Originally by: Zorland
I see why Goonswarm hates BOB, and I'm sure everyone else was avare that BOB griefed you in this game time and time again. But, you are not the only alliance in game that is currently against BOB. There are others that I'm sure everyone would like to hear what they think. There is no need to spam the thread again and again with the same stuff. Lets here what others have to say.


its going 40 v 40 against bob and being lagged out and all dying while bob fly away without a lost ship. there cheaters and as it always says cheaters never prosper, they cheated now there getting there dues. i started with my best mate in aridia we put up with there arigance there enough to make us join a corp that was anti-bob. bob has never been blue to us nor will any corp/allaince they re make go blue... ur proplem us everyone has the same stories to tell so ya gonna come across the same feelings over and over again.

bye bye bob.


Let me just make sure I understand this right. You are insinuating that BOB has some sort of trick (exploit) they pull against their enemies to artificially generate lag and take advantage of it? That is the reason why you hate BOB and you will be against them as long as they exist?

Virgil Aquilis
Caldari
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2008.01.31 08:04:00 - [74]
 

Originally by: Taliac
You can't kill bob goons they will just come back :P


nah, we can just eject them from their space, laugh, destroy or lock up all their 0.0 holdings, and then giggle even more as they impotently fly hac gangs through some region we own but haven't really occupied for months

oh wait lol who does that remind you of

Cafu
Minmatar
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2008.01.31 08:06:00 - [75]
 

Edited by: Cafu on 31/01/2008 08:08:02
I dislike them because they are so physically unattractive

BoB

Sinder Ohm
Caldari
Demonic Corp
G00DFELLAS
Posted - 2008.01.31 08:07:00 - [76]
 

They dug thier own grave Laughing I hope none of them are wondering why 3/4 of (0.0) EvE are beating down on them.

my reasons:
T20

Eploiting and cheating

Arogant (I understand that when u get to the top it goes to your head, but that just got my goat)

They killed my previous alliances titan in the lamest possable fashion and then 30 secs after that CCP are in local congratulating them, this would be the main grudge.


Nifel
Caldari
PAX Technologies
Posted - 2008.01.31 08:08:00 - [77]
 

Originally by: Pastora
Originally by: Tiberius Caesar
8/10 complex anyone?


*cough* 10/10 complexes in Delve, Querious... *cough*


You mean the ones that were petitioned?

dr shark
Minmatar
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
Posted - 2008.01.31 08:09:00 - [78]
 

All this wont chage a fact that we were better then you, we are better then you, and will be better then you. Space map wont change it a bit.

We are not Gods ofc, allthough some ppl was thinking that way, while we were watching rivers of tears on forums asking for CCP help. Granted it was.

Still, there will be many tears and bitternes by same ppl, long after this war goes by.

Its not our falt, though, that majority of ppl are naive and shallow. "Removing" Bob (Laughing) wont change that at all. And same ppl will watch others taking credits for something they did their part of harsh work as well.

Im sorry, im just bitterSmileVery Happy

Florio
Gallente
Miniature Giant Space Hamsters
Posted - 2008.01.31 08:10:00 - [79]
 

Not constructive - Navigator

i reckon corporations are fighting bob due to jealousy and fear.

there's nothing wrong with either of those feelings and i don't mean them in a negative way.

exciting times, certainly for us, and i just hope the lag doesn't win too often.

Value Added
Caldari
Pronger Physics Research Dept.
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2008.01.31 08:11:00 - [80]
 

Edited by: Value Added on 31/01/2008 08:12:07
Originally by: dr shark
All this wont chage a fact that we were better then you, we are better then you, and will be better then you. Space map wont change it a bit.

We are not Gods ofc, allthough some ppl was thinking that way, while we were watching rivers of tears on forums asking for CCP help. Granted it was.

Still, there will be many tears and bitternes by same ppl, long after this war goes by.

Its not our falt, though, that majority of ppl are naive and shallow. "Removing" Bob (Laughing) wont change that at all. And same ppl will watch others taking credits for something they did their part of harsh work as well.

Im sorry, im just bitterSmileVery Happy
Embarassed

Hey thanksfor summing up why you're being removed from space.

Tiberius Caesar
Caldari
Sothebys
Posted - 2008.01.31 08:12:00 - [81]
 

Originally by: Pastora
Originally by: Tiberius Caesar
8/10 complex anyone?


*cough* 10/10 complexes in Delve, Querious... *cough*


Oh what?!?

When you guys were busy milking all those angel 8/10's that respawned every 45 miniutes the delve 10/10's were broken and even REMOVED (ask dork shikari).

Way to try and deflect though.

Cippalippus Primus
Caldari
eXceed Inc.
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2008.01.31 08:12:00 - [82]
 

Jeez, it's just a game. No one hates anyone.

Value Added
Caldari
Pronger Physics Research Dept.
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2008.01.31 08:14:00 - [83]
 

Originally by: Cippalippus Primus
Jeez, it's just a game. No one hates anyone.


What about Groon?

dr shark
Minmatar
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
Posted - 2008.01.31 08:14:00 - [84]
 

Originally by: Value Added

Hey thanksfor summing up why you're being removed from space.


You see, there is a difference between reson for removing from space and reason of so many ppl holds their hands against us.Smile

Pastora
Amarr
Russian SOBR
SOLAR FLEET
Posted - 2008.01.31 08:15:00 - [85]
 

Originally by: Florio
fyi, if you feel hate for an organisation in eve then you are probably a sociopath who will never get laid.


This!

And if any of you think that we "hate" you, then does it make you even more of a sociopath?

UneFraiseDansUneChaise
Caldari
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2008.01.31 08:35:00 - [86]
 

Why won't anyone in BoB answer for their inaction in aiding their allies?

Bane Glorious
Amarr
Ministry of War
Posted - 2008.01.31 08:39:00 - [87]
 

Edited by: Bane Glorious on 31/01/2008 08:39:39
Originally by: Tiberius Caesar
Originally by: Pastora
Originally by: Tiberius Caesar
8/10 complex anyone?


*cough* 10/10 complexes in Delve, Querious... *cough*


Oh what?!?

When you guys were busy milking all those angel 8/10's that respawned every 45 miniutes the delve 10/10's were broken and even REMOVED (ask dork shikari).

Way to try and deflect though.


Whenever people bring up the bugged 8/10s they always leave out three things.

1. RA petitioned the complexes and asked if their respawn rate was normal or a bug. The GM said it was working fine. Granted, that GM probably either was a clueless novice, didn't understand the question, or both.
2. ASCN was also using bugged 8/10 Angel complexes (whenever RA wasn't stealing them)
3. Dozens of RA members were PERMABANNED for running the complexes without warning once LV made a big stink out of it, including a major portion of their capital fleet. Some three months later, all of them had their bans removed except for one person, who actually was selling ISK for real life money. Which BoB or ASCN members were banned for running bugged complexes, I ask you?

So please, shove that 8/10 'sploit crap up your nose with a rubber hose.

Zorland
Minmatar
Detinus Republic
Posted - 2008.01.31 08:44:00 - [88]
 

Edited by: Zorland on 31/01/2008 08:50:52
Edited by: Zorland on 31/01/2008 08:46:14
Edited by: Zorland on 31/01/2008 08:44:22
Originally by: Bane Glorious

Some three months later, all of them had their bans removed except for one person, who actually was selling ISK for real life money.


Heh, so how does this compare to T20 incident? Would this be a good reason for the whole EVE to gang up on RA, call them ISK farmers and remove them from the game for something that was done by one of the RA members?
Ofcourse not. T20 incident is just an excuse for those that need to explain to the people with half brain why BOB is bad guys. The whole WMD and IRAQ thing comes to mind as an example of the spin, only this one is in game.

Sinder Ohm
Caldari
Demonic Corp
G00DFELLAS
Posted - 2008.01.31 08:55:00 - [89]
 

Originally by: Zorland
Edited by: Zorland on 31/01/2008 08:50:52
Edited by: Zorland on 31/01/2008 08:46:14
Edited by: Zorland on 31/01/2008 08:44:22
Originally by: Bane Glorious

Some three months later, all of them had their bans removed except for one person, who actually was selling ISK for real life money.


Heh, so how does this compare to T20 incident? Would this be a good reason for the whole EVE to gang up on RA, call them ISK farmers and remove them from the game for something that was done by one of the RA members?
Ofcourse not. T20 incident is just an excuse for those that need to explain to the people with half brain why BOB is bad guys. The whole WMD and IRAQ thing comes to mind as an example of the spin, only this one is in game.


and when Bob members boast in local/coad about contacting thier dev friends on msn Wink

Lui Kai
Caldari
Better Than You
Posted - 2008.01.31 08:55:00 - [90]
 

Having come to the game well after the whole dev scandle that supposedly kicked off this whole thing, I personally don't give a toss.

Frankly, both the "ZOMG BOB ALT! fofofofofo" and "Goons fly frigs! Hah!" posts made on each side get a bit tiresome, from an uninvolved perspective.


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