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Zorland
Minmatar
Detinus Republic
Posted - 2008.01.31 03:49:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Zorland on 31/01/2008 03:56:48
So I've been following different threads on this forum and I've noticed that so many root for BOB to lose. Then I ask myself why? Is there a reason why one would hate them so much? Are they really that better as they say? Or do the people hate them for something they did to them at one point (for example removing their alliance like ASCN or griefing the Goons for being the smacktards in the past). So I decided to try and make this post and ask people to state the reason for all the hatered. I hope it will not be perceived as a flame bait, and I think it would give a better chance to understand to those that don't know the history, how one alliance achived to be hated by almost all of EVE.

Misfitsa
Gallente
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2008.01.31 03:51:00 - [2]
 

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Value Added
Caldari
Pronger Physics Research Dept.
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2008.01.31 03:52:00 - [3]
 

You're new here aren't you?

ChessKiller
Minmatar
Destructive Influence
KenZoku
Posted - 2008.01.31 03:52:00 - [4]
 

I was told bob are winner

Zudari
Minmatar
Gladiators of Rage
Intrepid Crossing
Posted - 2008.01.31 03:54:00 - [5]
 

I like bob I they're funny!!Very Happy Its those goons I hate they are just annoying!

Tyrrax Thorrk
Amarr
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
Posted - 2008.01.31 04:01:00 - [6]
 

Most of us don't hate BoB, personally I'd much prefer to be shooting MC right now, but I don't hate them either.
However I can give you a lot of reasons most people don't like them;

(dislike is a much better word than hate in 99% of cases)

forum arrogance
exploiting (in a very inclusive sense of the word)
cheating (literally)
metagaming
been defeated/slandered by them in the past
used by them

Then there's alliances like IAC who have simply always been red to them and never wanted it any other way, that, politics/friendship with their other enemies and proximity to the area is most of our reason for being in Delve.

Onchas Erivvia
Caldari
The Ankou
Raiden.
Posted - 2008.01.31 04:02:00 - [7]
 

Edited by: Onchas Erivvia on 31/01/2008 04:02:53
Originally by: Zorland
So I've been following different threads on this forum and I've noticed that so many root for BOB to lose. Then I ask myself why? Is there a reason why one would hate them so much? Are they really that better as they say? Or do the people hate them for something they did to them at one point (for example removing their alliance like ASCN or griefing the Goons for being the smacktards in the past). So I decided to try and make this post and ask people to state the reason for all the hatered. I hope it will not be percived as a flame bait, and I think it would give a better chance to understand to those that don't know the history, how one alliance achived to be hated by almost all of EVE.


Apparently it's because we're asshats in the forums. Think about that as you read the Goon posts in this thread.


Rim shots asside, this war is about the Eve-equivalent of oil -- moon minerals -- and control over the Tech2 component market (that's not modules or ships, that's components).

Anyone who tells you differently has either, a) drunk the "ZOMG BOB ARE E-VILLE" kool aid, or, b) simply lying and willfully contributing to the propaganda.


edit: oh sweet irony that this would come right after a TT post...

Montasque
Amarr
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2008.01.31 04:02:00 - [8]
 

SirMolle
Evolution
Band of Brothers
Posted - 2006.07.27 14:55:00


Thread title: There are no goons.

No.


And this is as personal as it will ever get.

Goodbye.




Blacklight
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
Posted - 2006.07.27 17:42:00


We don't really give a toss what you think.

Goons are going to die, no matter what it takes.

Whether it takes a month or a year Goonswarm are history.


DB Preacher
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
Posted - 2006.08.01 20:47:00


I expected nothing less.

It's exactly what scared people say when they are trying anything to get thier worst nightmare out of their home system.

I imagine the next one will be "we're breaking up coz of internal problems, nothing to do with anyone else though!!111"

Enjoy empire, we'll still be here when you get back.

dbp




Kryztal
Caldari
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
Posted - 2006.08.07


GS is like the immigrate that wont integrate into the community




Sergeant Spot
Black Eclipse Corp
Band of Brothers
Posted - 2006.07.29 07:55:00



During WWII all germans DID warrent having their country invaded, their armed forces utterly destroyed, their government utterly destroyed, and their senior leaders almost all put to death.

By tolerating terrorist in their presense many muslims DO warrent having bombs dropped near them, even fatally close, due to WILLINGLY being near known terrorist.

The Christain argument you make is stupid (I'm not Christain, I have no faith, but I get along fine with people who do).

You are not being judged for simply being with extreme offensive idiots. You are being judged because "you" "personally" "CHOOSE" to "remain" associated with offensive idiots.

Anyone can have the bad luck to be near an idiot when the idiot shows his true stupidity. What YOU "choose" to do then will dictate how you should be judged.

Saying "I don't like what they said, but I'm staying with them and fighting at their side" does not fly very well.




I'd love to post more(and trust me there are pages and pages of quotes like these) but I must get back to my studies.

Plague Black
Caldari
4S Corporation
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2008.01.31 04:04:00 - [9]
 

If I started why there would a moderator all over my posts with a big "It is forbidden to talk about things from the past, the ones that we put behind us long time ago" stamp.

In fact there will be a mod all over my post becouse it's not allowed to discuss moderation at all = you will not get an honets opinion since it will be moderated.

In fact part 2, I'm not even allowed to post here according to my corp rules but since I'm on heavy painkillers I'm not responsible for my actions.Razz

Shinori
Minmatar
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2008.01.31 04:05:00 - [10]
 

reserved for later

The Mittani
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2008.01.31 04:07:00 - [11]
 

dianabolic
db preacher
sir molle
t20
m hoshi/nebulai
sergeant spot

vOv


you're the most transparent bob alt these days, im sorry you guys got caod banned since you're losing so badly but you might opt for a more subtle cover

Eacham Graeme
Caldari
noXCorp
Session Changes
Posted - 2008.01.31 04:09:00 - [12]
 


BoB has made their own bed, now they are being forced to sleep in it.

Do I hate BoB? No.

Do I want to see them destroyed and become nothing more than a footnote in the annals of EVE? Yes.

There will always be "Bad Guys" and the "Good Guys", such is the nature of the beast. I suspect that down the road, someone else will rise to the point that they are universally reviled, and once more, people will join arms to cast them down.

My two ISK.


Zorland
Minmatar
Detinus Republic
Posted - 2008.01.31 04:10:00 - [13]
 

Originally by: The Mittani
dianabolic
db preacher
sir molle
t20
m hoshi/nebulai
sergeant spot

vOv


you're the most transparent bob alt these days, im sorry you guys got caod banned since you're losing so badly but you might opt for a more subtle cover


You should really have more faith in people when they say something. Not everyone is rotten and liar.

The Mittani
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2008.01.31 04:11:00 - [14]
 

Originally by: Zorland

You should really have more faith in people when they say something. Not everyone is rotten and liar.


i have lots of faith in people, also honor and respect! i have found this is a realistic viewpoint which helps one go far in life

Wreckus
Caldari
The Greater Goon
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2008.01.31 04:12:00 - [15]
 

We will ALWAYS be better than you.

Vanessa LaiDai
Gallente
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2008.01.31 04:15:00 - [16]
 

Edited by: Vanessa LaiDai on 31/01/2008 04:16:47
Originally by: Zorland
Edited by: Zorland on 31/01/2008 03:56:48
So I've been following different threads on this forum and I've noticed that so many root for BOB to lose. Then I ask myself why? Is there a reason why one would hate them so much? Are they really that better as they say? Or do the people hate them for something they did to them at one point (for example removing their alliance like ASCN or griefing the Goons for being the smacktards in the past). So I decided to try and make this post and ask people to state the reason for all the hatered. I hope it will not be perceived as a flame bait, and I think it would give a better chance to understand to those that don't know the history, how one alliance achived to be hated by almost all of EVE.


being told that i am basically a terrible person who doesn't deserve to live because of the actions of one person is really not cook, but i'll let seargent spot explain it to you

Originally by: Sergeant Spot
To this DAY, Goonswarm members CONTINUE to mock the RL dead.

Goonswarm apologies are utterly worthless.

ANYONE willing to be IN goonswarm is trash. Not just "playing" trash. They ARE trash.

When this first happened, it could be reasonable for a player to not approve of what was being said, and be innocent. As of this point, all in Goonswarm are WILLINGLY guilty by tolerating the trash.


Originally by: Sergeant Spot
You tolerate and support the trash that started this incident.

The trash in question CONTINUE, to this day, to repeat their offense.

You have no idea just how much utter contempt you are held in by folks, simply for being in the same alliance with that trash. The idea that this will ever be a war with an objective of "good fights" is ludicrous.

I've been with BoB for well over year now, and was with BNC before that. At no point have we ever had an opponent that is less respected than you are. We've fought great opponents and worms, but none match Goonswarm for raw simple disrepected loathing.

No, you can't get away from what you did, and some of your members are continuing to do.

You want to be able to be play for good fights and fun?? Leave Goonswarm.


actually just read this thread. http://www.eve-search.com/index.dxd?thread=371427

edit: wow after misspelling "cool" i inadvertently made a new slang context for the word 'cook'

Dreadllama
Caldari
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2008.01.31 04:16:00 - [17]
 

I also would like to say that I consider bob to be alright people and think you are a nice person for saying these nice things about them. Furthermore, you are a nice person as well. I wish you success in your posting.

Director Stoned
Gallente
Band of Developers
Posted - 2008.01.31 04:20:00 - [18]
 

I hate bob because i feel most of Eve hates bob. I'm the kind of guy that doesn't like being left "behind the times". People need an oppressive elitist organization to hate, just take examples from RL, the USSR was hated by everyone, even romainains. the USSR never did bad things to certain people but they still hated them because everyone else hates them. Just for example take the current president of US, everyone liked him before becuase they like elitism, now look at him all that religious bigotry and elitism (and well lets face it a healthy dose of ignorance too) has made Mr. bush hated by everyone. Now you want an example? how about when the big bully at school gets kicked in the arse by all the nerds? everyone hates that guy. Oh i got another example, how about when you got a group of players in a mmorg that try to be all elite and they buddy up with those who actually run the game, they become even more elite and then most people just don't like them anymore because they are cheaters and elitist metagamers of the first degree. Now i'm not saying these things apply to bob, all in all bob is a good bunch of ex-FIX/RISE/LV/AXE/TRI so they are pretty much likable guys in my book, but it doesn't matter how much you like a guy, the question is would you sleep with him? for example, I like the guy who does my plumbing. I guess your asking the wrong question here, what you should be asking is why should we like bob? were did liking bob go wrong for you?

Victor Vision
Amarr
Central Intelligence Service
Posted - 2008.01.31 04:22:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk
Most of us don't hate BoB, personally I'd much prefer to be shooting MC right now, but I don't hate them either.


100% identical with my opinion, including the MC part Surprised

Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk
However I can give you a lot of reasons most people don't like them;

(dislike is a much better word than hate in 99% of cases)

forum arrogance
exploiting (in a very inclusive sense of the word)
cheating (literally)
metagaming
been defeated/slandered by them in the past
used by them


Precisely.

Dagam
Caldari
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2008.01.31 04:24:00 - [20]
 

Edited by: Dagam on 31/01/2008 04:46:26
Originally by: DarkMatter
You're actually proud to show your faces at events such as fanfest? Honestly?

Originally by: DarkMatter
Now because it's an MMO, and it's on-line where you don't have to face ppl, you think playing the ahole persona 100% of the time is valid and good for the game... That's fine if you're a pirate playing within the rules & moral guidlines of decent play. However, time & time again GS croses those lines, lines you would never have the balls to cross in RL situations while facing another human being, which makes your on-line bravado even more pathetic...

This goes beyond simply playing as a pirate, grifing or even exploiting... Trying to **** with others play, CCP and the forums is way out of line, and if you are proud of those actions, you really are not mature enough to play an MMO...

I wish I was going to fanfest to face some of you people IRL, I'd be interested to talk to some of you face to face...

Originally by: Blacklight
We'll reign in the forum behaviour once tempers have calmed be sure of it but right now 90% of BoB would have a very hard job not leveling those idiots in real life if we met them.

Originally by: SirMolle
Originally by: Itzena
Sounds about right. Have BoB officially backpedalled from 'We want to eradicate Goons from EVE' yet?
No.

Originally by: Avon
The Goons are bad at propoganda, as this thread clearly shows, and have no concept of how much the forums influence external public opinion.

Turnabout is fair play, but no I don't hate them.

Value Added
Caldari
Pronger Physics Research Dept.
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2008.01.31 04:26:00 - [21]
 

Oh and they cower behind CAOD alts (not mentioning any names ZORLAND)


Zorland
Minmatar
Detinus Republic
Posted - 2008.01.31 04:28:00 - [22]
 

I see why Goonswarm hates BOB, and I'm sure everyone else was avare that BOB griefed you in this game time and time again. But, you are not the only alliance in game that is currently against BOB. There are others that I'm sure everyone would like to hear what they think. There is no need to spam the thread again and again with the same stuff. Lets here what others have to say.

snerdly
Amarr
snerd LTD
Posted - 2008.01.31 04:31:00 - [23]
 

Edited by: snerdly on 31/01/2008 04:31:43
Aha, here's a topic I can really relate to.

Why do I hate (actually, a better term for it would be strong dislike + personal vendetta, but whatever) BoB? There's a few reasons.

1. They backstabbed and killed my alliance- self explanatory, no it wasn't ASCN.

2. They're a bunch of arrogant jerks ingame, on the forums, and everywhere else. I'm not talking about obnoxious- goons are very obnoxious, but they're also funny, and lovable in a slightly-r3tarded-fuzzy-bees sort of way. I'm talking about hardcore 'we're better than you' arrogance, directed at anyone and everyone who isn't them.

3. They have too many titans and a propensity for using them. This means they are effectively sucking fun directly out of eve.

Tenebrys
Caldari
The Lemonade Stand
Posted - 2008.01.31 04:32:00 - [24]
 

there are no goons

watch us go

we are better than you

goons in space no corpses in space

dont worry rise well save you

hey guys i got you this sabre bpo dont ask how

dbp

Kusotarre
Gallente
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2008.01.31 04:32:00 - [25]
 

They cheat. As in, they literally cheat.

Also, their D2 titan kill was almost as lame as CCP not undoing it.

Dean Ferris
Gallente
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2008.01.31 04:33:00 - [26]
 

I just joined to play space game with my goon friends, so I don't really know! Hope this helps! Very Happy

Farham
Gallente
The Scope
Posted - 2008.01.31 04:35:00 - [27]
 


Hate BOB? Not really.

It is just their time.

facialimpediment
Amarr
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2008.01.31 04:35:00 - [28]
 

i hate bob because i am a mindless stupid drone that only listens to commissar mittens and [neo] dear leader

oh and i live next to bob and they are always having parties and i am never invited so i am sad and i wish death upon them :(

Mips Nig
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2008.01.31 04:38:00 - [29]
 

I hate bob because they refuse to engage unless they have at minimum a 2:1 advantage.

Moctobot
Gallente
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2008.01.31 04:40:00 - [30]
 

*moderated*


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