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Stormaar
Caldari
Posted - 2008.01.30 13:32:00 - [1]
 

Edited by: Stormaar on 30/01/2008 14:27:03
So another topic about aadons.

Tell me pls why API for ingame addons not realized at all?

Dont tell here pls about macrominers and other stuff. Addons needed to make interface more suitable and more usefull than default one. Let the community help in do EVE better.

Official post pls.

For all - macro definition.

Daram Thakk'ar
Minmatar
343rd Mining Division
Posted - 2008.01.30 13:37:00 - [2]
 

No

Stormaar
Caldari
Posted - 2008.01.30 13:43:00 - [3]
 

What No?

ToxicFire
Phoenix Knights
Posted - 2008.01.30 13:57:00 - [4]
 

This is not wow we don't have addons we don't have custom ui's we have eve fullstop

Stormaar
Caldari
Posted - 2008.01.30 14:08:00 - [5]
 

Originally by: ToxicFire
This is not wow we don't have addons we don't have custom ui's we have eve fullstop


wow, not wow, no matter.

Im ask Why?

ry ry
Heroes.
Merciless.
Posted - 2008.01.30 14:14:00 - [6]
 

Edited by: ry ry on 30/01/2008 14:14:30
Originally by: ToxicFire
This is not wow we don't have addons we don't have custom ui's we have eve fullstop

Assuming you mean 'This is not wow' in the pejorative sense, why would a customisable UI be a bad thing?

i can think of no logical reason not to put it in, beyond cpp having to allocate dev-time to write the code to facilitate it. if the demand was there, i'm sure they'd seriously look into doing it.


+1 for customisable GUI.

ToxicFire
Phoenix Knights
Posted - 2008.01.30 14:16:00 - [7]
 

Originally by: ry ry
Edited by: ry ry on 30/01/2008 14:14:30
Originally by: ToxicFire
This is not wow we don't have addons we don't have custom ui's we have eve fullstop

Assuming you mean 'This is not wow' in the pejorative sense, why would a customisable UI be a bad thing?

i can think of no logical reason not to put it in, beyond cpp having to allocate dev-time to write the code to facilitate it. if the demand was there, i'm sure they'd seriously look into doing it.


+1 for customisable GUI.


One good reason is that a highly customisable ui makes it extremely easy for screen scraping macro's

ry ry
Heroes.
Merciless.
Posted - 2008.01.30 14:18:00 - [8]
 

Edited by: ry ry on 30/01/2008 14:19:29

the existing ui is very easy for screen scraping macros.

pixelColor(coordX, xoordY) stuff isn't exactly Minmatar Starship Construction.

Stormaar
Caldari
Posted - 2008.01.30 14:19:00 - [9]
 

Edited by: Stormaar on 30/01/2008 14:22:59
Edited by: Stormaar on 30/01/2008 14:20:18
Macro-shmacro... u can do it in any case. Just now. And no need to customize GUI.

Topic not about macroses.

If u didn see any difference behind macroses and addons - so sad.

May be this help understand something.

ToxicFire
Phoenix Knights
Posted - 2008.01.30 14:22:00 - [10]
 

Originally by: Stormaar
Edited by: Stormaar on 30/01/2008 14:20:18
Macro-shmacro... u can do it in any case. Just now. And no need to customize GUI.

Topic not about macroses.

If u didn see any difference behind macroses and addons - so sad.


Didn't say that addons are macro's im just saying you give the community the tools to customize the interface the macroer's are just gonna use it to make their life easier.

Stormaar
Caldari
Posted - 2008.01.30 14:24:00 - [11]
 

Edited by: Stormaar on 30/01/2008 14:32:50
Edited by: Stormaar on 30/01/2008 14:25:40
Originally by: ToxicFire
Originally by: Stormaar
Edited by: Stormaar on 30/01/2008 14:20:18
Macro-shmacro... u can do it in any case. Just now. And no need to customize GUI.

Topic not about macroses.

If u didn see any difference behind macroses and addons - so sad.


Didn't say that addons are macro's im just saying you give the community the tools to customize the interface the macroer's are just gonna use it to make their life easier.


Macroers have easy life. Just look at last post of ry ry, and look at "Overview" - greatest instrument to automate anything at all. Ouch, and skill training - can be automated. Easy, right? Some time for reading right books and voi la - u have Ultimate EVE-uber controller.

It's not a problem of addons. In any case CCP can regulate functionality trough API functions.

Calethiel
Minmatar
Republic Military School
Posted - 2008.01.30 14:45:00 - [12]
 

I would say vote "no" on cheating...er I mean UI mods.

Stormaar
Caldari
Posted - 2008.01.30 14:46:00 - [13]
 

Edited by: Stormaar on 30/01/2008 14:50:19
Originally by: Calethiel
I would say vote "no" on cheating...er I mean UI mods.


Where u see cheating? Explain pls.

Just look at this, and tell me pls where u see here a "cheating".

ry ry
Heroes.
Merciless.
Posted - 2008.01.30 14:47:00 - [14]
 

le sigh.

what fresh new CHEATINGLOL are you expecting from people being able to reposition elements of the interface?

Emily Spankratchet
Minmatar
Pragmatics
Posted - 2008.01.30 14:49:00 - [15]
 

Edited by: Emily Spankratchet on 30/01/2008 14:51:14

My guess is that CCP have a limited number of developers and would rather have them working on other things.

A spiffy UI API would be nice but if you look at the concerns of the player base (i.e. count the whines) there are lots of other things people would rather have.

Culturally... Can I say culturally without sounding like an arse? Anyway, culturally, it's not something that Eve has been big on. Hence the "this is not WoW" replies to the OP. I think a lot of people would explain this by saying that it's about playing the game, not having to install 35 UI addons so that you're not at a disadvantage.

Finally, you'd have to be really careful about any UI development. Easier access to a lot of information could unbalance things. Take the market as an example; if you could sc**** market info and present it in a better form you could make an absolute fortune.

Edit:
Originally by: ry ry
what fresh new CHEATINGLOL are you expecting from people being able to reposition elements of the interface?

An API is more than just being able to reposition interface elements. Unless you're talking about a pretty crap API.

ry ry
Heroes.
Merciless.
Posted - 2008.01.30 14:52:00 - [16]
 

Mmm, but there are already apps & websites that take market dumps and do all that for you.

ry ry
Heroes.
Merciless.
Posted - 2008.01.30 14:54:00 - [17]
 

Edited by: ry ry on 30/01/2008 14:55:01
Originally by: Emily Spankratchet
An API is more than just being able to reposition interface elements. Unless you're talking about a pretty crap API.

customisable UI is all i ever said i wanted. i'm easily pleased.

well, that and i thought i was still replying to the "customisable UI makes it eazy to sc**** the screen noobz" guy. _

Steve Hawkings
Posted - 2008.01.30 14:55:00 - [18]
 

This is EVE not WOW,
I would like to keep it that way,
UI is fine.

Stormaar
Caldari
Posted - 2008.01.30 14:57:00 - [19]
 

Originally by: Emily Spankratchet
Edited by: Emily Spankratchet on 30/01/2008 14:51:14

My guess is that CCP have a limited number of developers and would rather have them working on other things.

A spiffy UI API would be nice but if you look at the concerns of the player base (i.e. count the whines) there are lots of other things people would rather have.

Culturally... Can I say culturally without sounding like an arse? Anyway, culturally, it's not something that Eve has been big on. Hence the "this is not WoW" replies to the OP. I think a lot of people would explain this by saying that it's about playing the game, not having to install 35 UI addons so that you're not at a disadvantage.

Finally, you'd have to be really careful about any UI development. Easier access to a lot of information could unbalance things. Take the market as an example; if you could sc**** market info and present it in a better form you could make an absolute fortune.

Edit:
Originally by: ry ry
what fresh new CHEATINGLOL are you expecting from people being able to reposition elements of the interface?

An API is more than just being able to reposition interface elements. Unless you're talking about a pretty crap API.


Thats all regulated as i wrote.

And here another point. Custamisable UI can make life slightly easyer for newcomers. Don't think only about urself. Some people stop to play when the see default interface.


Steve Hawkings
Posted - 2008.01.30 14:58:00 - [20]
 

Originally by: ry ry
le sigh.

what fresh new CHEATINGLOL are you expecting from people being able to reposition elements of the interface?


Add-ons = Cheating is what he means.

Stormaar
Caldari
Posted - 2008.01.30 15:02:00 - [21]
 

Originally by: Steve Hawkings
This is EVE not WOW,
I would like to keep it that way,
UI is fine.


UI is fine for what? I cant move some things for example, im dont wonna hud i mid-center of screen. I wonna see scrambl/jamm etc not only as aura - show me icon. I wonna move progress indicator. May i continiu?

Stormaar
Caldari
Posted - 2008.01.30 15:04:00 - [22]
 

Originally by: Steve Hawkings
Originally by: ry ry
le sigh.

what fresh new CHEATINGLOL are you expecting from people being able to reposition elements of the interface?


Add-ons = Cheating is what he means.


Stop posting like this. When u go to shop and by new ipod to change ur old FM - is it cheat?

ApaKaka
Lone Starr Corporation
Posted - 2008.01.30 15:08:00 - [23]
 

Let me give you a real example of why this is not allowed.

Lets say you customize your UI to blink/make sounds and go freaky as soon as someone enter local. Voila, you have an advantage over everyone else in reacting to the threat of being popped by pirates before you notice they are there.

EVE needs to be carefully balanced and give everyone the same experience, simlpy because it is geared towards so much PVP and the hunter/hunted philosophy. Giving one or the other a significant advantage would break this careful balance.


Richard Phallus
Posted - 2008.01.30 15:09:00 - [24]
 

Originally by: Stormaar
Originally by: Steve Hawkings
Originally by: ry ry
le sigh.

what fresh new CHEATINGLOL are you expecting from people being able to reposition elements of the interface?


Add-ons = Cheating is what he means.


Stop posting like this. When u go to shop and by new ipod to change ur old FM - is it cheat?


Yes. Yes it is, in fact it's illegal and you should be arrested by the police who can then beat you with our mercy for being a consumer of cheating or something.

Stormaar
Caldari
Posted - 2008.01.30 15:10:00 - [25]
 

Edited by: Stormaar on 30/01/2008 15:13:34
Originally by: ApaKaka
Let me give you a real example of why this is not allowed.

Lets say you customize your UI to blink/make sounds and go freaky as soon as someone enter local. Voila, you have an advantage over everyone else in reacting to the threat of being popped by pirates before you notice they are there.

EVE needs to be carefully balanced and give everyone the same experience, simlpy because it is geared towards so much PVP and the hunter/hunted philosophy. Giving one or the other a significant advantage would break this careful balance.




So, u cant read at all. Im repeat for u personaly - API regulated by CCP.

And thing with authorized developers teams from community members... if CCP wonna control process.

Erayo
Caldari
Science and Trade Institute
Posted - 2008.01.30 15:12:00 - [26]
 

A new UI wouldn't be bad at all. Customising is nice, though I find the current UI comfortable enough (excluding the mini-freezes of the market, but I guess this is not UI). Do you know how long it took me to decide where to put my chat box Confused, really the problem is space, set your resolution to max Rolling Eyes
And about the addons - Ummm, the one thing I really could use in eve is a better calculator Smile otherewise what other things are there (besides cheating)?

Ursula LeGuinn
Posted - 2008.01.30 15:24:00 - [27]
 

Originally by: ApaKaka
EVE needs to be carefully balanced and give everyone the same experience...


You make a good point overall, but since when has EVE been "carefully balanced"? Laughing

Jaketh Ivanes
Amarr
House of El
Posted - 2008.01.30 15:26:00 - [28]
 

Why should we have addons?

You can already customize much of the UI. What is the essential need to change icons and colors (that's what WoW UI addon's do).

Personally I don't like many of the addon's in wow, as they make it so much easier for those that have them, giving them a great advantage compared to those that don't, often making it a requirement to have. It also removes a lot of the players competence to the computer, making average players just as good as good players (who don't need those addon's to do the job).

Lori Carlyle
Posted - 2008.01.30 15:30:00 - [29]
 

I'd like them, the UI is "Not that ideal" for me atm, and appears to grow more unstable with every patch.

Korran Minare
Gallente
Neo Corp
Darkstar Conglomerate
Posted - 2008.01.30 15:36:00 - [30]
 

Originally by: Steve Hawkings
This is EVE not WOW,
I would like to keep it that way,
UI is fine.


this /signed


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