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Vile rat
Amarr
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2008.02.01 08:37:00 - [781]
 

Any questions about what's going on right now in Delve from the RSF perspective? I could field a few questions if anybody has any.

Yggdrassill Yeltsin
Caldari
The Greater Goon
Clockwork Pineapple
Posted - 2008.02.01 08:48:00 - [782]
 

vile rat~

in what ways are you filthy haxsploiting goonies planning to dishonour the game over the next few days

could you maybe lay out a list of various actions in order of dishonour

e: **** wrong alt :(

Bishop 5
Gallente
Macabre Votum
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2008.02.01 08:48:00 - [783]
 

Originally by: Vile rat
Any questions about what's going on right now in Delve from the RSF perspective? I could field a few questions if anybody has any.


Have you blown up any cap-ship array POS yet?
Any sign of BOBs cap fleet?
How many POS destroyed so far in Delve and how many more to go?
Also... what are you guys going to do after you've blown up all the POS?


1v1
Gallente
Cake Factory
Posted - 2008.02.01 08:49:00 - [784]
 

Originally by: Vile rat
Any questions about what's going on right now in Delve from the RSF perspective? I could field a few questions if anybody has any.


1) What is everyone else doing while goons and bob slog it out in the meatgrinder in that system. Specific examples, what has rzr done today, pl, mm etc etc.

2) What happens if it actually comes down to you taking everything and robert sits in PR for weeks/months. Are you honestly going to camp them in until they ebb away?



Nifel
Caldari
PAX Technologies
Posted - 2008.02.01 08:50:00 - [785]
 

Originally by: Vile rat
Any questions about what's going on right now in Delve from the RSF perspective? I could field a few questions if anybody has any.


How many slugfests does RSF expect during the weekend? How many capitals do you think you'll be able to kill? How many capitals do you think you will lose? How fast do you expect to break QY6?

Vile rat
Amarr
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2008.02.01 09:02:00 - [786]
 

Quote:
vile rat~

in what ways are you filthy haxsploiting goonies planning to dishonour the game over the next few days

could you maybe lay out a list of various actions in order of dishonour

e: **** wrong alt :(


We're going to kick out groon. Pack your bags.

Quote:

Have you blown up any cap-ship array POS yet?
Any sign of BOBs cap fleet?
How many POS destroyed so far in Delve and how many more to go?
Also... what are you guys going to do after you've blown up all the POS?


1. Nope. None in the systems we are sieging.
2. Yes. There's been a lot of hit and run hot dropping back and forth and it's been very fun. Had a nice little skirmish with their carriers and a Nyx yesterday that was pretty close for a few of those carriers but they kept sneaking back in the shields. Then the Nyx pilot crashed and we didn't find out about it until afterwards ;_;
3. 13 or so in QY6 I think. I could be high or low on that but if I am it's not by much. A bit taken out here and there on bridge systems or moon mining systems but that's about it.
4. Party all night long. Without pants.

Quote:
1) What is everyone else doing while goons and bob slog it out in the meatgrinder in that system. Specific examples, what has rzr done today, pl, mm etc etc.

2) What happens if it actually comes down to you taking everything and robert sits in PR for weeks/months. Are you honestly going to camp them in until they ebb away?


1. It's not Bob and goons slugging it out, it's a whole bunch of our friends. It's been actually amazing working with some of these people. You'd think with the bad blood between MC/RSF in the past there would be tension, but it's just been fun for all of us. RZR are especially fun to work with and IRON has done some good things as well. Make no mistake about it, this is a team effort and we're not advertising it as anything but. Fleets for the most part aren't operating as distinct entities, but instead operating as a unified force. It's awesome.

2. Goonfleet has no experience working in 0.0 NPC space and neither does Pandemic Legion. We have no chance.

Quote:
How many slugfests does RSF expect during the weekend? How many capitals do you think you'll be able to kill? How many capitals do you think you will lose? How fast do you expect to break QY6?


I don't know! It would be nice to kill a bunch though wouldn't it? I'd certainly enjoy it. As far as breaking QY6 that depends on how much bob wants to continue to tower spam to save their Sov. We blew up enough towers to flip sov comfortably but then they put more up. It's the nature of the defensive war BoB wishes to persue so they'll keep puttin' 'em up and we'll keep knockin' 'em down.


Bishop 5
Gallente
Macabre Votum
Morsus Mihi
Posted - 2008.02.01 09:41:00 - [787]
 

Thanks for the reply! Goonliness is next to Godliness n all that jazz, etc :)

Himo Amasacia
Minmatar
Bat Country
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2008.02.01 09:56:00 - [788]
 

Edited by: Himo Amasacia on 01/02/2008 10:03:14
Originally by: Onchas Erivvia


Mittani is just so lalwerific, but pointing out that he's complete crap at his "job" kinda seems like poking a dead horse with a stick. Cuz when everything is said and done, the standards of "propaganda" really are that low in this community, which makes him remotely effective at ****ing people off which is his intended goal.

Stepping out completely from the expected roles and assumed biases, I don't know what's more comical, how hard he sucks or that people take him seriously and get worked up about what he writes(which automatically makes him suck less



Sadly, everything he posted in that post is 100% true. And I could add even more bad news but I'll let those who pull my strings do it :)

Originally by: Bishop 5

Have you blown up any cap-ship array POS yet?


Just to add on what Vile Rat posted, BOB took down its capital arrays in F-T 2 or 3 weeks ago. Its a constellation 4 system so the arrays were safe in the pos. They also stripped the towers in there of guns and modules (presumably to have guns for other towers elsewhere, dunno whey they took down the labs though) and unanchored some towers, which I believe resulted in the Red alliance stealing some.

[edited out some irrelevent stuff]

Goedekke Michels
Caldari
Rhinemetal Steelworks
Posted - 2008.02.01 10:40:00 - [789]
 

Originally by: 1v1

1) What is everyone else doing while goons and bob slog it out in the meatgrinder in that system. Specific examples, what has rzr done today, pl, mm etc etc.

2) What happens if it actually comes down to you taking everything and robert sits in PR for weeks/months. Are you honestly going to camp them in until they ebb away?




I thought i saw a big mostly harmless iron RAGoonRzrMMPL conga line move to the drone regions for keeping the fights fair and gave BoB a chance for regroup Shocked

The Mittani
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2008.02.01 13:21:00 - [790]
 

Originally by: Onchas Erivvia
Edited by: Onchas Erivvia on 01/02/2008 07:59:53
Edited by: Onchas Erivvia on 01/02/2008 07:59:05
Originally by: Westly Synpa
Originally by: Onchas Erivvia
Edited by: Onchas Erivvia on 01/02/2008 06:19:28
<decides better of it yet again>


aww it was better before the edit.


I know :(

Mittani is just so lalwerific, but pointing out that he's complete crap at his "job" kinda seems like poking a dead horse with a stick. Cuz when everything is said and done, the standards of "propaganda" really are that low in this community, which makes him remotely effective at ****ing people off which is his intended goal.

Stepping out completely from the expected roles and assumed biases, I don't know what's more comical, how hard he sucks or that people take him seriously and get worked up about what he writes(which automatically makes him suck less).


Seleene, on the other hand, is awesome at propaganda. He's a righteous prat about it, but that's just part of the mercenary swagger. He's trying to sell a product, and he brands that product well.

Compared to Seleene, Mittani's the DBP of propaganda (err...was that out loud?)



you seeem kind of angry and that makes me a sad mitten maybe you would like to play ~*ThA EmPlOyMeNt HiStOrY GaME*~~~~~~ in local with me?

maybe you are sad because the other bob have been playing this game with me and it is a lot of fun!!!

The Mittani
Caldari
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
Posted - 2008.02.01 13:28:00 - [791]
 

dddddddddddeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeer

delvejounal!!!

i am glad that my srs way of reporting what is up is going over well with bob i tried to imitate waagaa and dianabolics posting style but i am a humble mitten and we are not so good at typing (though good at being fuzzy and warm)

i am v. surprised as i predected in my last journal entry that bob would blow up all our towers as they do not lie about things, yet when i woke up this morning all gs poses had been saved and the new five bob towers have been reinforced :O

this will take a while to get over my shock im afraid! i will post more updates later when i recover!

baiiiii journal,
~mittens******

~

Onchas Erivvia
Caldari
The Ankou
Raiden.
Posted - 2008.02.01 14:03:00 - [792]
 

Originally by: The Mittani
you seeem kind of angry and that makes me a sad mitten maybe you would like to play ~*ThA EmPlOyMeNt HiStOrY GaME*~~~~~~ in local with me?


Awe, mittens <hugs>. How could I be angry with you? It would be like being angry with the 45 year old retarted guy who likes to ride his bike when he comes home and visit with his parents. He just likes to ride bikes. Watching him ride around and ring his little bell; the joy he gets from it. It's so simple, so beautiful.

Quote:
maybe you are sad because the other bob have been playing this game with me and it is a lot of fun!!!


I worry about what other BoB do in forums probably to the same degree that you worry about how hard Suas rocks out in hotel lobbies. Bemusement, befuddlement, maybe the occasional toe-tapping.


Omeega
Amarr
Ab Origines
White Noise.
Posted - 2008.02.01 14:23:00 - [793]
 

Originally by: Onchas Erivvia

"LOG OFF, LOG OFF, EVERYONE LOG THE F--- OFF NOW"
- Suas, GoonSwarm Fleet Commander
Sunday January 27, 2008 during a fleet fight with BoB in system QY8, approximately 21:55 EVT



Nice sig and stuff, but the QY8 system doesn't exist.

Arthur Miller
Amarr
Ministry of War
Posted - 2008.02.01 14:26:00 - [794]
 

Originally by: Onchas Erivvia


Awe, mittens <hugs>. How could I be angry with you? It would be like being angry with the 45 year old retarted guy who likes to ride his bike when he comes home and visit with his parents. He just likes to ride bikes. Watching him ride around and ring his little bell; the joy he gets from it. It's so simple, so beautiful.





Gotta sting to have a few hundred of these taking your regions and taking down your fleets and towers every night.

Frederick Skinner
Gallente
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2008.02.01 14:27:00 - [795]
 

Originally by: Dungar Loghoth
unban me mittani

'sup Dungar how's it hangin'
Originally by: Dungar Loghoth
hell yeah im a bob alt booya

not exactly what you want to say for an unban request just a silly thought


i keeed i keeeed :3

Xdust
Amarr
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2008.02.01 14:29:00 - [796]
 

Originally by: The Mittani
dddddddddddeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeer

delvejounal!!!

i am glad that my srs way of reporting what is up is going over well with bob i tried to imitate waagaa and dianabolics posting style but i am a humble mitten and we are not so good at typing (though good at being fuzzy and warm)

i am v. surprised as i predected in my last journal entry that bob would blow up all our towers as they do not lie about things, yet when i woke up this morning all gs poses had been saved and the new five bob towers have been reinforced :O

this will take a while to get over my shock im afraid! i will post more updates later when i recover!

baiiiii journal,
~mittens******

~


Chill dude.

Fry Fortune
Caldari
Ultrapolite Socialites
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2008.02.01 14:30:00 - [797]
 

Originally by: Onchas Erivvia

Awe, mittens <hugs>. How could I be angry with you? It would be like being angry with the 45 year old retarted guy who likes to ride his bike when he comes and visit with his parents.



so your saying 45 year old bike riders are taking your space?

Onchas Erivvia
Caldari
The Ankou
Raiden.
Posted - 2008.02.01 14:45:00 - [798]
 

Edited by: Onchas Erivvia on 01/02/2008 15:05:38
Originally by: Omeega
Originally by: Onchas Erivvia

"LOG OFF, LOG OFF, EVERYONE LOG THE F--- OFF NOW"
- Suas, GoonSwarm Fleet Commander
Sunday January 27, 2008 during a fleet fight with BoB in system QY8, approximately 21:55 EVT



Nice sig and stuff, but the QY8 system doesn't exist.



Thanks! Fixed. When it was sent to me it was "QY8" and I imagine from where all the fuss has been (and our killboard indicates), its the RKK system.

Originally by: Arthur Miller
Gotta sting to have a few hundred of these taking your regions and taking down your fleets and towers every night.


First of all, love your plays!

Second, naw. I'm more a process kinda guy than an outcome kinda guy. I like playing the game regardless of the outcome.

Besides, it's hard to get worked up. All that territory you guys took came after the Revelations POS and Supercap changes. That space wouldn't have become ours without the ability to spam POSes or do things with Titans like remote DDD then run out without tackles.

Goons whined hard, said they changes would never get made because the devs were all in BoB and the devs love BoB. They changed. And, oh, what's that? Turns out that more devs were in Goon than any other alliance at the time. It's funny how the logic worked there. Wouldn't get changed because it was believed BoB filled with Devs, but nobody's run around saying, "see, things only get changed if you have Devs in your alliance!!11!!!" Another source of bemusement.

POS mechanic changes made it harder for Alliances with a particular timezone imbalance to hold space. Titans (and not to minimize awesome uber-fighter wielding Moms) were not just a physical threat to fleets but were a morale weapon.

The average BoB member (and some of the leaders) didn't understand this dynamic and confused their own skill for game mechanics. The vast, vast majority of the playerbase is currently attributing the situation to their own mistaken superiority. So, you can't fault the members of a particular alliance for their hubris when everyone seems to do the same thing.

If the game mechanics were to change back to allowing POS spamming and to unnerf the supercaps, the map would reverse itself by July 2008.

So, yeah, its hard to get worked up. Changes to game mechanics create different conditions that benefit certain organizational and institutional arrangements over others. BoB's kinda the last of an old school-type of Alliance. Well, to be more specific, BoB represent the transition point between Alliance paradigm types.

Besides, it's kinda cool to know that it takes this many people and alliances working together to kill what you and your broheems have built up. Nobody in Eve is safe. Nobody. It's what makes the game so awesome. Part of the propaganda war is to make people feel embarrassed or ashamed to be associated with a particular group. It's not so much targeted at the membership of that group, but at limiting potential future members from joining a group that's fallen out of fashion.

So, in sum, I thought Goons were wimps for whining about game mechanics when they did it. I'm sure as not going to run around and do the same thing. BoB's situation before was the consequence of a set of game mechanics, and it is again. Nothing to sweat about. I'm having fun with the game either way. I pulled in the billions so I could have fun playing teh PvP, and that's what I'm doing. It's a challenge and its fun. But its nothing to take so bloody seriously.

Onchas Erivvia
Caldari
The Ankou
Raiden.
Posted - 2008.02.01 14:52:00 - [799]
 

Edited by: Onchas Erivvia on 01/02/2008 15:03:57
Edited by: Onchas Erivvia on 01/02/2008 14:52:56
Originally by: Fry Fortune
Originally by: Onchas Erivvia

Awe, mittens <hugs>. How could I be angry with you? It would be like being angry with the 45 year old ******ed guy who likes to ride his bike when he comes and visit with his parents.



so your saying 45 year old bike riders are taking your space?


No, I'm saying that being angry with Mittani would be like being angry with a retarted 45 year old bike rider. The simple joy that that particular retarted gentleman gets from riding his bike and ringing his bell is beautiful.

Popperr
Minmatar
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2008.02.01 15:07:00 - [800]
 

I, concur entirely.

Jane Spondogolo
Amarr
NoobWaffe
Posted - 2008.02.01 15:09:00 - [801]
 

You BOB guys do know that the whole "GMs in Goonfleet" thing turned out to be untrue?

Arthur Miller
Amarr
Ministry of War
Posted - 2008.02.01 15:10:00 - [802]
 

Originally by: Onchas Erivvia

Besides, it's kinda cool to know that it takes this many people and alliances working together to kill what you and your broheems have built up.



I'd like to take this moment to introduce you to rate constants and enzyme kinetics and assure you that the irreversible reaction of (BoB in 0.0 > BoB in ashes) occurs at an exponentially increasing rate as you add [E] in which E = allies.

Furthermore,

Arthur Miller
Amarr
Ministry of War
Posted - 2008.02.01 15:11:00 - [803]
 

Originally by: Onchas Erivvia


No, I'm saying that being angry with Mittani would be like being angry with a retarted 45 year old bike rider. The simple joy that that particular retarted gentleman gets from riding his bike and ringing his bell is beautiful.



So you're saying that BoB are going ride bikes? We already knew this.

Cippalippus Primus
Caldari
eXceed Inc.
HYDRA RELOADED
Posted - 2008.02.01 15:15:00 - [804]
 

Originally by: Onchas Erivvia
words


One question though, and beware! I want to hear the truth.
What fun had the "average" BoB members in the era where no one assembled fleets against them, coerced by the fear of an unstoppable and unkillable superweapon?

Oh, and it's hybris, not hubris Wink

Xiong Yoshi
Gallente
Coke vs Pepsi
Posted - 2008.02.01 15:16:00 - [805]
 

Originally by: Onchas Erivvia
... changes to game mechanics ...


So... in Short... BoB is unable to adapt?

Arthur Miller
Amarr
Ministry of War
Posted - 2008.02.01 15:18:00 - [806]
 

Originally by: Xiong Yoshi
Originally by: Onchas Erivvia
... changes to game mechanics ...


So... in Short... BoB is unable to adapt?


Sounds like victims of something something

Maitsu
Caldari
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2008.02.01 15:19:00 - [807]
 

Originally by: Cippalippus Primus
Originally by: Onchas Erivvia
words



Oh, and it's hybris, not hubris Wink

no
its hubris
god

Corn Bread
Amarr
Imperial Shipment
Posted - 2008.02.01 15:21:00 - [808]
 

Edited by: Corn Bread on 01/02/2008 15:21:06
Originally by: Onchas Erivvia
Edited by: Onchas Erivvia on 01/02/2008 15:05:38
Originally by: Omeega
Originally by: Onchas Erivvia

"LOG OFF, LOG OFF, EVERYONE LOG THE F--- OFF NOW"
- Suas, GoonSwarm Fleet Commander
Sunday January 27, 2008 during a fleet fight with BoB in system QY8, approximately 21:55 EVT



Nice sig and stuff, but the QY8 system doesn't exist.



Thanks! Fixed. When it was sent to me it was "QY8" and I imagine from where all the fuss has been (and our killboard indicates), its the RKK system.

Originally by: Arthur Miller
Gotta sting to have a few hundred of these taking your regions and taking down your fleets and towers every night.


First of all, love your plays!

Second, naw. I'm more a process kinda guy than an outcome kinda guy. I like playing the game regardless of the outcome.

Besides, it's hard to get worked up. All that territory you guys took came after the Revelations POS and Supercap changes. That space wouldn't have become ours without the ability to spam POSes or do things with Titans like remote DDD then run out without tackles.

Goons whined hard, said they changes would never get made because the devs were all in BoB and the devs love BoB. They changed. And, oh, what's that? Turns out that more devs were in Goon than any other alliance at the time. It's funny how the logic worked there. Wouldn't get changed because it was believed BoB filled with Devs, but nobody's run around saying, "see, things only get changed if you have Devs in your alliance!!11!!!" Another source of bemusement.

POS mechanic changes made it harder for Alliances with a particular timezone imbalance to hold space. Titans (and not to minimize awesome uber-fighter wielding Moms) were not just a physical threat to fleets but were a morale weapon.

The average BoB member (and some of the leaders) didn't understand this dynamic and confused their own skill for game mechanics. The vast, vast majority of the playerbase is currently attributing the situation to their own mistaken superiority. So, you can't fault the members of a particular alliance for their hubris when everyone seems to do the same thing.

If the game mechanics were to change back to allowing POS spamming and to unnerf the supercaps, the map would reverse itself by July 2008.

So, yeah, its hard to get worked up. Changes to game mechanics create different conditions that benefit certain organizational and institutional arrangements over others. BoB's kinda the last of an old school-type of Alliance. Well, to be more specific, BoB represent the transition point between Alliance paradigm types.

Besides, it's kinda cool to know that it takes this many people and alliances working together to kill what you and your broheems have built up. Nobody in Eve is safe. Nobody. It's what makes the game so awesome. Part of the propaganda war is to make people feel embarrassed or ashamed to be associated with a particular group. It's not so much targeted at the membership of that group, but at limiting potential future members from joining a group that's fallen out of fashion.

So, in sum, I thought Goons were wimps for whining about game mechanics when they did it. I'm sure as not going to run around and do the same thing. BoB's situation before was the consequence of a set of game mechanics, and it is again. Nothing to sweat about. I'm having fun with the game either way. I pulled in the billions so I could have fun playing teh PvP, and that's what I'm doing. It's a challenge and its fun. But its nothing to take so bloody seriously.

im gay

Maitsu
Caldari
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
Posted - 2008.02.01 15:23:00 - [809]
 

I kind of skimmed over that BoB guys post, but did he basically write all that **** and accuse goons of whining?

Seriously thats a lot of text buddy.

Princess Jodi
Gallente
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
Posted - 2008.02.01 15:28:00 - [810]
 

Originally by: 1v1
1) What is everyone else doing while goons and bob slog it out in the meatgrinder in that system. Specific examples, what has rzr done today, pl, mm etc etc.



I know the North has been well represented in the QY6 fight. If you're not a Top 3 alliance you tend to not get mentioned much. But in the past days I've been working invites in the Northern intel channels, watching a steady flow of Razor/Iron/MM/RuleofThree members moving into the area.

You've also got to recognize that the North was the primary Repo Men in Querious. Theres still a bit of logistics work to do to move forward again.


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