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Xreed 238
Strife Mercenaries Inc.
Posted - 2008.01.23 20:20:00 - [1]
 

So there aren't any setups listed here, and i need advice.

Here's what i'm looking at doing with my currently limited skills for a helper in 0.0 gangs.

Hi:
3x Large 'Solace' Remote Reppers
2x Large Regard Energy Transfers
Improved Cloak II

Mid:
YT-8 Overcharged MWD
Med Cap Booster II (800s)

Lo:
Small Armor Rep II
Energized Therm II
2x Nano II
1x Overdrive II

Rigs:
2x Targeting System Subcontroller I

With my skills it'll pull 2600 m/s, the transfers and reppers work out to 70km, and keeps signature res of 403mm.
Although it's not NEARLY cap stable, if i have to use all the arrays all the time in a recon gang, i figure they're doing something very wrong.

Advice? has anyone used one of these before?

Perfect Diamond
Posted - 2008.01.23 20:35:00 - [2]
 

First,
My advice would be to beef up a the armor amount. Put some plates and resists on the thing. Put some ECCM in the middle. The rest looks fine. The point is to utalize the guardians cap swap abilities to generate enough excess cap. You'll need another pal in a guardian but should work great. If you have extra isk, there are some implants that would help also.

Soltueur
Gallente
The 8th Order
Posted - 2008.01.23 20:38:00 - [3]
 

This is a bit of topic but i was wondering how this cap swap thing works. Guardian 1 activates transfer and then guardian 2 does?? Or is there a trick with it?

Perfect Diamond
Posted - 2008.01.23 20:40:00 - [4]
 

Edited by: Perfect Diamond on 23/01/2008 20:50:08

Guardian 1 starts cap transfer to Gurdian 2.
Guardian 2 starts cap transfer to Gurdian 1.
This is what I call cap swap.

Since the guardian gets a bonus on cap requirments for cap tranfer arrays, each guardian gains about 50cap/s with max skills.

Note: that the basilisk has the same ability
Note: with t2 rc it's possible to run 100mwd with overdirves and polycarbs at 10km/s, agility is horrible but it's fun. Laughing

Xreed 238
Strife Mercenaries Inc.
Posted - 2008.01.23 20:47:00 - [5]
 

Ok, so how about this, (assuming another guardian in fleet)

Same hi-slots except cloak I instead of Imp Cloak II (cpu contraints, bleh)

Mids
YT-8 MWD
Prototype Radar ECCM (Sensor strength up to 37)

Lo
800 RT plate
Energized Therm II
EANM II
DCU II
Nano II

Same rigs

Down to 1800 m/s, sensor res down to 338

I can see your point, now all i have to do is convince someone else to train for Guardian Laughing

Perfect Diamond
Posted - 2008.01.23 21:04:00 - [6]
 

Ya, that looks pretty good.
If your going to gate camp, replace mwd with another ECCM. Just setup at optimal b4 fight begins.

Take out the nanofiber. It contradicts with adding the plate. Replace it with aother energized adaptive.

Fill the last hight slot with an auto targeter. Don't activate it though. Just having it on you ship will increase max num of targets.

Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba
Northern Coalition.
Posted - 2008.01.23 21:09:00 - [7]
 

I would never fit a MWD to a logistics, kills the cap way too badly.

Sexorella hotz
SexyCor
Posted - 2008.01.24 08:38:00 - [8]
 

Edited by: Sexorella hotz on 24/01/2008 08:38:21
Originally by: Perfect Diamond
Edited by: Perfect Diamond on 23/01/2008 20:50:08

Guardian 1 starts cap transfer to Gurdian 2.
Guardian 2 starts cap transfer to Gurdian 1.
This is what I call cap swap.

Since the guardian gets a bonus on cap requirments for cap tranfer arrays, each guardian gains about 50cap/s with max skills.

Note: that the basilisk has the same ability
Note: with t2 rc it's possible to run 100mwd with overdirves and polycarbs at 10km/s, agility is horrible but it's fun. Laughing


nvm, trains reading lvl 5...

Grytok
KL0NKRIEGER
Posted - 2008.01.24 10:07:00 - [9]
 

For medium gangs you'll desperately need a MWD and an own tank. Downgrading to Medium Remote Reps does the trick very nicely here.

[Guardian, Medium Gang]
Medium Armor Repairer II
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Energized Thermic Membrane II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Damage Control II

10MN MicroWarpdrive II
Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800

Medium 'Solace' I Remote Bulwark Reconstruction
Medium 'Solace' I Remote Bulwark Reconstruction
Medium 'Solace' I Remote Bulwark Reconstruction
Medium 'Solace' I Remote Bulwark Reconstruction
Medium 'Regard' I Power Projector
Medium 'Regard' I Power Projector

Remote Repair Augmentor I
Remote Repair Augmentor I

Hornet EC-300 x5

Don't fit a cloak, never, it gimps your Scan Res horribly.

hellsknights
Element 115.
Posted - 2008.01.24 10:18:00 - [10]
 

My wife flies one, she uses: 3 Remote reps, 2 Remote cap, cloak
and the rest is almost dedicated to perma runing everyhting.

Since she is usually cloaked or warps in after fight commences, she can rep/cap and warp out if they get close or she starts taking to much damage.

I also see no point in tanking/nano the thing unless your roaming 0.0. If you get webbed and scrammed your dead anyhow even if your really tanked.

So you might as well equip to rep/cap as much as possible.Wink

Grytok
KL0NKRIEGER
Posted - 2008.01.24 10:30:00 - [11]
 

He was stating, that he want's to use it for supporting 0.0 gangs. This implicates roaming.
For roaming you'll need a MWD or your dead in the first bubble-camp, without a chance.

Permarunning Large Rep Setups are for POS-bashing or doing camps on your own, but other then that, they're useless tbqh.

Garia666
Amarr
T.H.U.G L.I.F.E
Xenon-Empire
Posted - 2008.01.24 12:42:00 - [12]
 

the only correct guardian setup will be

hi - combination of energy transfers and remotre repairers best named.. of all of 1

med - cap II`s
lo - CPR II`s

2 x ccc rig

Non stop repping and transfering in any combi

Awox
Minmatar
North Eastern Swat
Posted - 2008.01.24 12:57:00 - [13]
 

Trolling removed. Please stay on topic. Navigator

Garia666
Amarr
T.H.U.G L.I.F.E
Xenon-Empire
Posted - 2008.01.24 13:35:00 - [14]
 

Removed, refers to moderated post - Mitnal

Wardeneo
Gallente
BLL Wise Guys
Posted - 2008.01.24 14:01:00 - [15]
 

id use guardian as adual pair, this works very well, both ships with identical setups....


[highs]
2 large cap transfers
4 x large armor reppers

[meds]

whatever wms and sensor booster - id fit

[lows]

1 x dmge control
2 x t2 med reppers
rest fill with resists stuff

with atleast half good skills and putting cap transfers on eachother each guardian can perma run all remote reppers and local reppers and everything else :)

wardeneo

Requiescat
Red Arsenal
Posted - 2008.01.24 14:45:00 - [16]
 

Originally by: Sokratesz
I would never fit a MWD to a logistics, kills the cap way too badly.


lol @ not understanding the pwn that is nanologistics

it's not cheap to execute since you pretty much need snakes to get a guardian to nano speeds, but once you do get it up past 4k, mmmm. mwd doesn't kill a logistics cap if you know how to fit a logistics, or were you hoping to get by on cap boosters?

Xreed 238
Strife Mercenaries Inc.
Posted - 2008.01.24 21:38:00 - [17]
 

A few responses a day later and a few helpful hints wiser

Originally by: Garia666
the only correct guardian setup will be

hi - combination of energy transfers and remotre repairers best named.. of all of 1

med - cap II`s
lo - CPR II`s

2 x ccc rig

Non stop repping and transfering in any combi


No, just no. If i can't cloak and make at least 1km/s i've got no business being in the gangs i'm in.

Originally by: Requiescat
Originally by: Sokratesz
I would never fit a MWD to a logistics, kills the cap way too badly.


lol @ not understanding the pwn that is nanologistics

it's not cheap to execute since you pretty much need snakes to get a guardian to nano speeds, but once you do get it up past 4k, mmmm. mwd doesn't kill a logistics cap if you know how to fit a logistics, or were you hoping to get by on cap boosters?


LOL, i WISH i had that kind of cash Embarassed Nor, honestly, would i be willing to invest in snakes considering that only 3 or so of the ships i fly would make any use of them. Maybe if ever i train minnie Wink

Originally by: Xreed 238
if i have to use all the arrays all the time in a recon gang, i figure they're doing something very wrong.


that's for the rest of you. Cool

I appreciate all the feedback, and the helpful advice, especially those i'm responding to with seemingly negative connotations. Your suggestions were considered, and forced me to think of what the appropriate role for this ship, with me flying it would be in-gang. Many thanks.





 

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